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2015 Awards Thread

Edgy MD Oct 26 2015 12:57 PM

Matt Harvey is your Sporting News Comeback Player of the Year.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 26 2015 01:32 PM Re: 2015 Awards Thread

I think The Sporting News is more in need of a comeback than Matt Harvey ever was.

Edgy MD Oct 27 2015 11:47 PM Re: 2015 Awards Thread

Sporting News National League Manager of the Year: Terry Collins.

Elster88 Oct 27 2015 11:52 PM Re: 2015 Awards Thread

Terry was voted NL manager of the year by the other managers today

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 05 2015 10:10 AM Re: 2015 Awards Thread

Matt Hovvey also takes MLB Comeback POTY trophy.

Edgy MD Nov 12 2015 03:20 PM Re: 2015 Awards Thread

Wilson Defensive Players of the Year Awards Handed out regardless of league, but most of these guys are National Leaguers Pitcher: Jacob deGrom, New York Mets Catcher: Busterino Posey, San Francisco Giants First base: Paul Goldschmidt, Arizona Diamondbacks Second base: Dee Gordon, Miami Marlins Third base: Nolan Arenado, Colorado Rockies Shortstop: Andrelton Simmons, Atlanta Braves Left field: Sterling Marte, Pittsburgh Pirates Center field: Kevin Pillar, Toronto Blue Jays Right field: Jason Heyward, St. Louis Cardinals? Defensive Team of the Year: Arizona Diamondbacks Overall 2015 Defensive Player of the Year: Andrelton Simmons, Atlanta Braves

Centerfield Nov 12 2015 03:32 PM Re: 2015 Awards Thread

I feel like those awards are about as real as the CPF Schaefer Player of the Year.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 12 2015 03:38 PM Re: 2015 Awards Thread

So by that you mean highly prestigious and much coveted?

MFS62 Nov 12 2015 03:53 PM Re: 2015 Awards Thread

Edgy MD wrote: Handed out regardless of league, but most of these guys are National Leaguers That's because the National League plays baseball they way its supposed to be played. Every player on every roster is expected to be able to field his position(or at least try). None of those "hitter only" players for us. Later

RealityChuck Nov 13 2015 08:58 AM Re: 2015 Awards Thread

Wilson Defensive Players of the Year Awards Handed out regardless of league, but most of these guys are National Leaguers Pitcher: Jacob deGrom, New York Mets The most impressive fact I picked up from this is that DeGrom has yet to make an error in his major league career.

Ceetar Nov 13 2015 09:24 AM Re: 2015 Awards Thread

Wilson Defensive Players of the Year Awards Handed out regardless of league, but most of these guys are National Leaguers Pitcher: Jacob deGrom, New York Mets The most impressive fact I picked up from this is that DeGrom has yet to make an error in his major league career. Anthony DiComo tweeted that the other day so i looked it up. only other qualified pitchers that haven't over last two years: Kluber, Odorizzi, Kennedy, Quintana. deGrom, Niese, and Colon all have 6 double plays started over last two years. Only Teheran and Quintana have more. (7)

Zvon Nov 17 2015 06:08 PM Re: 2015 Awards Thread

Maddon gets manager of the year. TC doesn't even come in 2nd in the voting. That's a bunch of bullshit. [url]http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseball/25378661/cubs-joe-maddon-wins-nl-manager-of-the-year-award

Edgy MD Nov 17 2015 06:50 PM Re: 2015 Awards Thread

I can live with that.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 17 2015 06:55 PM Re: 2015 Awards Thread

Me too.

Centerfield Nov 17 2015 07:23 PM Re: 2015 Awards Thread

It's weird. I'm still upset with Terry and would have been happy to replace him. But I'm also pissed he didn't win.

d'Kong76 Nov 17 2015 07:33 PM Re: 2015 Awards Thread

Certainly Collins achieved more versus expected than Maddon. But I don't really care about this stuff much.

Lefty Specialist Nov 17 2015 08:24 PM Re: 2015 Awards Thread

Bet Maddon wishes he could have been in this year's World Series. So there's that.

Centerfield Nov 18 2015 08:44 AM Re: 2015 Awards Thread

Lefty Specialist wrote: Bet Maddon wishes he could have been in this year's World Series. So there's that. Yup. I can't stand Maddon and his "I'm smart and quirky and hip" schtick.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 18 2015 09:22 AM Re: 2015 Awards Thread

Damn hipster finished in third place. Eff you, Joe.

El Segundo Escupidor Nov 18 2015 09:41 AM Re: 2015 Awards Thread

12 places too high.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 18 2015 01:40 PM Re: 2015 Awards Thread

See, but Maddon IS smart, and comes up with goofy bonding bits, and just happens to wear good glasses. The shtick comes from writing hackery.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 18 2015 08:20 PM Re: 2015 Awards Thread

You know Zack Greinke's okay with the Cy vote, if only because now, he doesn't have to give a speech.

Fman99 Nov 18 2015 08:28 PM Re: 2015 Awards Thread

Maddon has the hallmark big red drunkard nose. So he's got that working. This is all a painful reminder of the fact that we're still three months away from guys even playing fucking catch in Port St. Lucie. Fuck the offseason.

Frayed Knot Nov 18 2015 08:32 PM Re: 2015 Awards Thread

A bit surprising for Arrieta though it was somewhat close. Voters opted for the better 2nd half by the lone ace over the sustained full season by a co-ace Arrieta: 17 - 11 - 2 (1st, 2nd, 3rd) Greinke: 10 - 17 - 3 Kershaw: 3 - 2 - 23 Cole: 0 - 0 - 2 Scherzer Bumgarner deGrom: two 4th place votes + three 5ths Melancon Lackey

Frayed Knot Nov 19 2015 08:26 PM Re: 2015 Awards Thread

NL MVP - Bryce Harper, and it was unanimous. Goldschmit 2nd, Votto 3rd, Anthony Rizzo 4th (which prevented the Cub from sweeping ALL the major awards in the NL this season). Good year for 1st basemen. For all the late season talk about Cespedes sneaking in and grabbing MVP votes, he finished 13th Granderson was 18th which, considering he suxx, is pretty good. AL = Josh Donaldson (23 of 30 votes) Followed by Trout, Lorenzo Cain, Manny Machado Brian McCann was 24th while Alex Rodriguez and Mark Teixeira were T-26 (aka: one 10th place vote each)

Edgy MD Nov 19 2015 08:47 PM Re: 2015 Awards Thread

I tend to think Harper isn't as obvious as all that. He's click ahead of the field in WAR and fWAR, and I can't take that away from him, but I've grown to like WPA, and WPA likes Anthony Rizzo. Certainly what we've seen of Harper this year supports that. He was as good a player as you could ask for, until all the chips were on the table.

Centerfield Nov 20 2015 08:33 AM Re: 2015 Awards Thread

Harper gave a nice acknowledgement to the Mets yesterday. Plus, when the Mets clinched, he was classy and said that he hopes we win it all. Maybe he's not such a bad guy. It's funny, I feel like he says all the right things, and I can't really point to anything that he's done wrong to warrant his reputation. But he just seems like such a dick.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 20 2015 08:57 AM Re: 2015 Awards Thread

He's just got one of those faces. And haircuts. And miens, and names. WPA is great, but for me, it's a supplementary argument, better for tiebreaker or additional... texture, y'know? I mean, it means the guy did well in the clutch that year, but it doesn't mean Harper did POORER in high-leverage situations, necessarily; Harper likely just didn't get to hit in as MANY of them.

Edgy MD Nov 20 2015 09:01 AM Re: 2015 Awards Thread

But look at those numbers. He had the worst relative clutch performance in the National League. And so what we're doing by giving him the MVP is rewarding him for theoretical runs he would have produced in an all-situations-are-equal environment, but denying Rizzo, who actually produced more runs in real life.

Vic Sage Nov 20 2015 09:08 AM Re: 2015 Awards Thread

Granderson ranked 12th in WPA... but CF said he sucked! :)

Ceetar Nov 20 2015 09:13 AM Re: 2015 Awards Thread

Edgy MD wrote: But look at those numbers. He had the worst relative clutch performance in the National League. And so what we're doing by giving him the MVP is rewarding him for theoretical runs he would have produced in an all-situations-are-equal environment, but denying Rizzo, who actually produced more runs in real life. but like, if you're going to use the heavily luck-based clutch argument, shouldn't he be disqualified for not actually getting his team to the postseason? Of course the MVP award, much like the Hall of Fame, is designed to spark discussion/argument by being purposely vague and subjective about what we're voting on.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 20 2015 09:30 AM Re: 2015 Awards Thread

You really think it's a feature-not-a-bug thing, this vagueness? I'm not necessarily disagreeing; it's just that I've always just kind of assumed they just erred in leaving the Hall and award guidelines so vague-- a win for poetics over clarity, if you will.

Ceetar Nov 20 2015 09:35 AM Re: 2015 Awards Thread

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: You really think it's a feature-not-a-bug thing, this vagueness? I'm not necessarily disagreeing; it's just that I've always just kind of assumed they just erred in leaving the Hall and award guidelines so vague-- a win for poetics over clarity, if you will. I mean 3. General character, disposition, loyalty and effort. I have a hard time reading that as anything other than "Hey, was this guy cool? gave you quotes? took you to the cool parties?" and this. There is no clear-cut definition of what Most Valuable means. It is up to the individual voter to decide who was the Most Valuable Player in each league to his team. seems pretty clearly not meant to be objective.

Edgy MD Nov 20 2015 09:49 AM Re: 2015 Awards Thread

Ceetar wrote: Edgy MD wrote: But look at those numbers. He had the worst relative clutch performance in the National League. And so what we're doing by giving him the MVP is rewarding him for theoretical runs he would have produced in an all-situations-are-equal environment, but denying Rizzo, who actually produced more runs in real life. but like, if you're going to use the heavily luck-based clutch argument, shouldn't he be disqualified for not actually getting his team to the postseason? I'm not sure why you're asking. No, he shouldn't be disqualified. I'm just tempted to vote for Rizzo ahead of him.

Ceetar Nov 20 2015 11:12 AM Re: 2015 Awards Thread

Edgy MD wrote: I'm not sure why you're asking. No, he shouldn't be disqualified. I'm just tempted to vote for Rizzo ahead of him. I'm asking because WPA measures how much his actual hits contributed to wins, rather than the average value of getting said hit. If we're extrapolating his hits to how much they helped his team get a win, that means that the win itself is meaningful towards the MVP. As such, the ultimate goal is the playoffs, and that didn't happen. If it's important he has to be knocked down a bit, if not disqualified, because ultimately he wasn't valuable _enough_. In the sense that the 85-90th wins that he didn't get them to are worth more.