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Postmortem thoughts on the Game!!!
John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 28 2015 06:45 AM |
* Didn't like the bunt to set up Cuddyer especially the way he -- and Flores -- had been swinging. Although the sac "worked" looked like they had a shot at second base anyway. Would we all have preferred a steal?
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Benjamin Grimm Oct 28 2015 06:59 AM Re: Postmortem thoughts on the Game!!! |
I think I said in the IGT that I would have preferred having Flores try to hit a double than have him give up the out in favor of Cuddyer, who's been stone cold.
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cooby Oct 28 2015 07:12 AM Re: Postmortem thoughts on the Game!!! |
Real life question we noticed when watching game---has David Wright lost weight?
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soupcan Oct 28 2015 07:15 AM Re: Postmortem thoughts on the Game!!! |
I like Grimm's assessment.
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Ashie62 Oct 28 2015 07:20 AM Re: Postmortem thoughts on the Game!!! |
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No, just ability.
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MFS62 Oct 28 2015 07:31 AM Re: Postmortem thoughts on the Game!!! |
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Agree, especially since Wilmer seemed to be locked in last night. He hit the ball hard a few times, but that darn KC scouting report had the defense set up to take hits away. In fact, their defensive positioning was good throughout the game. (At least from what I heard on radio. I was at work.) Has FOX blamed the TV blackout on Obama yet? Later
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Lefty Specialist Oct 28 2015 07:32 AM Re: Postmortem thoughts on the Game!!! |
Yeah, there was a lot to like.
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Ceetar Oct 28 2015 07:39 AM Re: Postmortem thoughts on the Game!!! |
I didn't like Johnson as the DH to begin with, and pretty sure I would've gone with Cespedes-Lagares-Granderson in the outfield. If you want Conforto in there, DH him.
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seawolf17 Oct 28 2015 07:52 AM Re: Postmortem thoughts on the Game!!! |
I wasn't impressed with Harvey; even without knowing the numbers, you could see he wasn't throwing his hard stuff. And I have to figure that was the plan -- you heard all weekend about how well the Royals hit hard stuff -- but you've got to dance with the girl that brought you, kid.
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Ceetar Oct 28 2015 07:56 AM Re: Postmortem thoughts on the Game!!! |
I don't think Cespedes was ever catching that ball. I guess you credit to the Royals fans and a little bit of inexperience between the two out there playing together. Seemed like Cespedes thought Conforto was going to catch it and then realized he'd pulled up, and that's what caused the awkward backhand/bounce of the leg (which the broadcast never mentioned that it bounced off him)
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HahnSolo Oct 28 2015 08:05 AM Re: Postmortem thoughts on the Game!!! |
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Verducci was all over this, but I don't get the outrage. If the ball was caught, as it should have been, it's the first out. It's not like he hit it 480 feet.
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Centerfield Oct 28 2015 08:06 AM Re: Postmortem thoughts on the Game!!! |
Fuck Game 1.
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Edgy MD Oct 28 2015 08:08 AM Re: Postmortem thoughts on the Game!!! |
I don't know who Robles and Gilmartin have to sleep with to get the ball, but if Terry's going to his starters out of the pen, try and get long outings out of them. Not necessary to go to Reed (or maybe even Clippard) when Niese is dealing. Try and get him to bridge the lead as far as he can. He gives up a baserunner or so in the seventh and has a righty coming up, then go to Reed.
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d'Kong76 Oct 28 2015 08:12 AM Re: Postmortem thoughts on the Game!!! |
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YEAH! Take one on the road and all that bbbyyy. Let's Go METS!!!
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TransMonk Oct 28 2015 08:19 AM Re: Postmortem thoughts on the Game!!! |
I can't help thinking this was a game the Mets gave away and could have easily won minus a few miscues.
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Edgy MD Oct 28 2015 08:22 AM Re: Postmortem thoughts on the Game!!! |
[list:odgrfeyg][*:odgrfeyg]I think Terry's going to be as quick to pivot as we all demand. Laggy WILL be in center tonight. Conforto WILL be the DH. Uribe will be the guy double switched in if the Royals go to a lefty.
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Ceetar Oct 28 2015 08:31 AM Re: Postmortem thoughts on the Game!!! |
Lagares' arm is still shot too unfortunately.
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Edgy MD Oct 28 2015 08:35 AM Re: Postmortem thoughts on the Game!!! |
Lagares isn't a perfect solution, but he may be the better one.
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metirish Oct 28 2015 08:38 AM Re: Postmortem thoughts on the Game!!! |
Need to win tonight, last night, ugh....just seeing horrible at bats from Cruddyer and Cespedes kills ...great bullpen work to get to Familia
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Ceetar Oct 28 2015 08:38 AM Re: Postmortem thoughts on the Game!!! |
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yeah, sorry, wasn't detracting. He's probably the better one but he's not the "OMG LOOK AT THAT THROW GOLDEN BOY" lock that I picture him as sometimes. 2014 Juan maybe throws out that second run. (And you know, Cespedes might too)
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Mets – Willets Point Oct 28 2015 08:44 AM Re: Postmortem thoughts on the Game!!! |
Wright doesn't seem to be worrying me the way he does everyone else. Made a mistake, but ultimately his good D has helped more than hurt. And a lot of Mets' batters looked hopeless, some worse than Wright.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 28 2015 08:52 AM Re: Postmortem thoughts on the Game!!! |
If there's any positive to take away it's that we made a bunch of mistakes we don;t usually make, hit only 1 XBH, and it still took them 14 innings to beat us. So suck it, Kansas City.
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Lefty Specialist Oct 28 2015 09:04 AM Re: Postmortem thoughts on the Game!!! |
Yeah, I get the feeling that deGrom can settle things in, Cueto gets roughed up, and they go back to NY 1-1.
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soupcan Oct 28 2015 09:25 AM Re: Postmortem thoughts on the Game!!! |
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That'd be nice.
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Ceetar Oct 28 2015 09:35 AM Re: Postmortem thoughts on the Game!!! |
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Don't count on it.
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A Boy Named Seo Oct 28 2015 09:43 AM Re: Postmortem thoughts on the Game!!! |
Pissed this one away so hard. Was scared that first run would be meaningful and of course it was.
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Edgy MD Oct 28 2015 09:52 AM Re: Postmortem thoughts on the Game!!! |
I'm not sure that pulling Harvey worked out all that fine, but it played out as it played out. But perhaps if Harvey goes one more inning, we compress our bullpen needs, and the one batter who tied the game never comes to bat.
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A Boy Named Seo Oct 28 2015 10:12 AM Re: Postmortem thoughts on the Game!!! |
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Yeah, agreed. Seemed like an advantage we earned and chose not to use. Maybe after the shaky 6th, Terry just thought Harv was done.
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Edgy MD Oct 28 2015 10:39 AM Re: Postmortem thoughts on the Game!!! |
Some guy on Twitter reports the following hard-to-verify statistic:
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Ceetar Oct 28 2015 10:41 AM Re: Postmortem thoughts on the Game!!! |
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Why is it hard to verify? [url]http://www.fangraphs.com/pitchfx.aspx?playerid=3196&position=P&pitch=FA
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Edgy MD Oct 28 2015 10:42 AM Re: Postmortem thoughts on the Game!!! |
I have a job. I'd be datamining 24-7 if I could.
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Ceetar Oct 28 2015 10:52 AM Re: Postmortem thoughts on the Game!!! |
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Sure, but that one took me like 4 seconds ;-)
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 28 2015 11:32 AM Re: Postmortem thoughts on the Game!!! |
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OH, yes. During the runup to the Series/afterglow of the last one, there's been so much results-based praise of Terry's 'gut calls' with the bullpen, but the process-- personnel choices (or absences), timing of moves-- has been quizzical at times. Outside of Zobrist-- and he's a guy who always takes good at-bats, and is looking very potentially irritating-- Clippard did an okay job, but, honestly, he's not the guy he was anymore; it might be worth it turning him into more of a "situational lefty" (he's been better against lefties in his career AND of late). And, yeah, whither Robles? Looking at the game on DVR this morning, I feel like our guys were one or two more judicious midgame Conforto and/or Flores swings away from turning this game into a Volquez shellacking.
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Diamond Dad Oct 28 2015 11:55 AM Re: Postmortem thoughts on the Game!!! |
It was a flawed game on both sides, but KC got the final break. Reminds me of game 1 of the 1986 series. Exciting. Watchable. Enjoyed the International feed.
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Edgy MD Oct 28 2015 11:59 AM Re: Postmortem thoughts on the Game!!! |
Yeah, it was a tough night for most of the righties, save for Lagares.
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Benjamin Grimm Oct 28 2015 12:08 PM Re: Postmortem thoughts on the Game!!! |
It was scored as a home run but I think that's a strange decision. I'd think that if an outfielder lets a fly ball hit him in the hip it should be scored an error.
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Edgy MD Oct 28 2015 12:19 PM Re: Postmortem thoughts on the Game!!! |
Amen. Outfielders get way too many fielding breaks from official scorers.
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Lefty Specialist Oct 28 2015 12:30 PM Re: Postmortem thoughts on the Game!!! |
Really, in my book that's a double and a two-base error. Home scoring, I guess.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 28 2015 12:34 PM Re: Postmortem thoughts on the Game!!! |
I guess once you're calling his attempted fielding of the play a not-error, you're accepting everything that comes with it as part of the hit. Given how it unfolded, it was either all hit or all error; it's not as if he kicked it additionally beyond that first misplay.
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Diamond Dad Oct 28 2015 12:44 PM Re: Postmortem thoughts on the Game!!! |
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This is why I don't want to sign Cespedes to a 5-year $150 million contract. I think with all his talent that we would see plays like that all too often if he were here under a long-term deal, and his act would get old fast when he's not red-hot at the plate and hitting 700-foot homers every day.
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Edgy MD Oct 28 2015 12:53 PM Re: Postmortem thoughts on the Game!!! |
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Have you ever seen anything ruled a four-base error? I guess the bounce of of Canseco's head had to be one, right?
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Benjamin Grimm Oct 28 2015 12:56 PM Re: Postmortem thoughts on the Game!!! |
I guess that four-bases errors have to be awfully rare, but I agree with LWFS. It's either a home run or a four-base error. And I'd be inclined to go with the latter.
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Ceetar Oct 28 2015 01:08 PM Re: Postmortem thoughts on the Game!!! |
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This is one I can't think of an easy way to quickly look up. Inside Edge says Cespedes made 100% of the 'routine' (90-100% made) plays (315) this season. But only 85.7%(14) of the 'likely' (60-90%) plays. Those are actually better numbers than Lorenzo Cain. The league averages are 99.3% and 81.5% for those.
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Edgy MD Oct 28 2015 01:37 PM Re: Postmortem thoughts on the Game!!! |
May 26, 1993. Amazingly, Canseco got off scot free (is this a slur against Scotsmen?) and that ball was scored a home run. Carlos Martinez was the batter, Kenny Rogers, the hard-luck pitcher.
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Frayed Knot Oct 28 2015 01:44 PM Re: Postmortem thoughts on the Game!!! |
Scorers generally don't give out errors when OFers have trucked a long way just to get to a batted ball.
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 28 2015 02:43 PM Re: Postmortem thoughts on the Game!!! |
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I know. If Harvey could get every batter to hit the ball like that shot, he'd pitch a perfect game every start out. That was a routine fly ball out.
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Elster88 Oct 28 2015 04:14 PM Re: Postmortem thoughts on the Game!!! |
I thought Terry had a horrible day.
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Elster88 Oct 28 2015 04:19 PM Re: Postmortem thoughts on the Game!!! |
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That should've been Conforto's ball all the way. It was a fly ball that Cespedes had to run a mile for. Conforto said he thought he heard Cespedes calling for it. Probably a combination of a little nerves, a little too much deferment to the center fielder, and a really loud stadium. Agree on not understanding why the broadcast crew made a big deal out of it like the dude hit it to the moon.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 28 2015 05:05 PM Re: Postmortem thoughts on the Game!!! |
To be fair, Kauffman Stadium has huge gaps. Escobar hit it far enough (just a shade under 400 feet) that it would have been a home run in about half of major-league parks (borderline in Citi, IIRC).
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