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Prospects circa 2011

Frayed Knot
Oct 31 2015 08:48 AM

John Sickels does a look back at his Mets prospect projections from exactly five years ago -- the list he did in Oct 2010 in advance of the 2011 season.
Those are his comments at the time and then his current ones after 'RESULT':


1) Wilmer Flores, SS, Grade B+: He's coming around with the bat. How fast will the new regime push him, and what position will he play long-term?
RESULT: Took time but he's still only 24 and looks like he will be a solid asset going forward.

2) Jenrry Mejia, RHP, Grade B: I'm concerned enough about his health to lower his grade a notch, but I still like him. Not a technical rookie due to service time, but under the innings limit and people ask about him.
RESULT: Saved 28 games in 2014 but lost job due to injuries and PED use. Failed a second test and now under 162-game suspension.

3) Matt Harvey, RHP, Grade B: Love the power arm, but lingering questions about his command keep him from higher grade at this point.
RESULT: Harvey had just been drafted and had no professional experience at this stage. At the time there were some concerns about his command but he ironed that out quickly and was dominating the majors within two years.

4) Aderlin Rodriguez, 3B, Grade B-: I am very impressed with his power but concerned about defense and reports of bad work ethic.
RESULT: Shaky strike zone judgment has kept him confined to the minor leagues, now in the Mariners system.

5) Fernando Martinez, OF, Grade B-: Stock is starting to slip. Still young, still has potential, but development hampered by injuries and poor handling by previous front office. May need change of scenery.
RESULT: Played with Mets and Astros but never got his career on track, frequent injuries.

6) Cory Vaughn, OF, Grade B-: Tools are excellent. If he maintains the improved approach he showed in the NY-P, he'll blossom.
RESULT: Bat fizzled at the highest levels and I was over-rating his tools in any event. Released after hitting .210 in Triple-A this year.

7) Juan Urbina, LHP, Grade B-: Highly projectable but a long way from the majors. Grade is somewhat aggressive but I like what I hear about him.
RESULT: Scouting reports were strong at this point; that changed quickly, stuff went backwards, numbers were always poor and that turned out to be the true indicator over the word of mouth reputation.

8) Reese Havens, 2B, Grade C+: Would rank higher with at least a B- or a B if he could stay healthy.
RESULT: Couldn't stay healthy.

9) Lucas Duda, OF-1B, Grade C+: Older prospect, turned on the power this year, should be a useful bat.
RESULT: Turned into a very useful bat due to his power; one of my favorite sluggers currently.

10) Kirk Nieuwenhuis, OF, Grade C+: I think he'll be a useful fourth outfielder but if he can refine his skills further he could be a decent starter. I originally had him at 14 on this list, but looking at it again that was too low. That said, he's got some weaknesses with contact that have to be addressed. But he's younger and more athletic than [Zach] Lutz and needs to rank ahead of him.
RESULT: Fourth outfielder. I should have stuck with my initial impression though.

11) Zach Lutz, 3B, Grade C+: A third base version of Duda; lots of power, other skills marginal.
RESULT: Has hit well in Triple-A but injuries have held him back.

12) Cesar Puello, OF, Grade C+: Others may rank him higher due to speed and tools. Very young, fast, lack of power is a concern, many similar players have failed and something is making me cautious here. RESULT: Crushed Double-A in 2013 but otherwise disappointing, gained some command of the zone but hasn't hit well after PED suspension.

13) Jeurys Familia, RHP, Grade C+: Still like the arm, could bloom if control sharpens up again. He's actually a sleeper again.
RESULT: Excellent major league closer.

14) Armando Rodriguez, RHP, Grade C+: Scouting reports point to mediocre stuff, but excellent statistics.
RESULT: Became a successful relief pitcher in the Mexican League, which isn't easy really. At age 27, he could still wind up in a big league pen eventually.

15) Sean Ratliff, OF, Grade C+: Was Double-A breakout genuine or a fluke? Has always had power, but strikeouts held him back.
RESULT: Struck in face by a foul ball in 2011 and was unable to resume his career.

16) Albert Cordero, C, Grade C+: Sleeper catching prospect features good glove, power, but needs to tighten strike zone.
RESULT: Can't hit, still hanging around upper minors as a defense-oriented reserve.

17) Matt Den Dekker, OF, Grade C+: I think he can be a good fourth outfielder.
RESULT: Fourth outfielder.

18) Darrell Ceciliani, OF, Grade C+: Younger and faster than Den Dekker and Nieuwenhuis, but less polished.
RESULT: Hit well in Triple-A, still a potential fourth outfielder.

19) Jefry Marte, 3B, Grade C+: Improved slightly and very young.
RESULT: Solid Triple-A bat, now in Tigers system, didn't hit well in first trial in majors but still just 24.

20) Mark Cohoon, LHP, Grade C+: Finesse lefty could reach majors in '11.
RESULT: Didn't have enough stuff to get past Double-A competition.

21) Dillon Gee, RHP, Grade C: He can eat up innings but I think his ceiling is limited.
RESULT: Some success as an inning-eating major league starter.

Edgy MD
Oct 31 2015 10:50 AM
Re: Prospects circa 2011

John Sicko wrote:
3) Matt Harvey, RHP, Grade B: Love the power arm, but lingering questions about his command keep him from higher grade at this point.
RESULT: Harvey had just been drafted and had no professional experience at this stage. At the time there were some concerns about his command but he ironed that out quickly and was dominating the majors within two years.

Notice that he moves toward the passive voice when describing the concerns about his command now that his command is pretty well established as indomitable.

MFS62
Nov 01 2015 11:39 AM
Re: Prospects circa 2011

The just released BA top 10 for this year. Don't know if these have been posted on the CPF yet.
There will probably be other lists released shortly, but:
1. Steven Matz, lhp
2. Amed Rosario, ss
3. Dominic Smith, 1b
4. Gavin Cecchini, ss
5. Brandon Nimmo, of
6. Marcos Molina, rhp
7. Luis Carpio, ss/2b
8. Desmond Lindsay, of
9. Matt Reynolds, ss/2b
10. Wuilmer Becerra, of

I think I read earlier this week that Molina had TJ Surgery.
Seeing your #1 prospect as a World Series starter is kinda' kewl.

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