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Centerfield
Nov 03 2015 03:29 PM

It would be nice to build a KC like bullpen to supplement our rotation. Some useful pieces from last year come back. Familia. Reed. Robles. I guess Goedel is around as well, but last I heard, he may need TJ surgery. Mejia comes back after 80 games as well, but I'm not sure what the Mets plan to do with him.

Edgin comes back. So that will help. I think we still have Vic Black somewhere. I would like to see the Mets re-sign Blevins and Parnell if it can be done cheaply. I think both have the potential to bounce back.

I was thinking maybe Wheeler goes to the pen for the stretch run? Would be nice to have his 96 MPH in the 7th inning. Also, I think it's time to tell Rafael Montero that his role for the 2016 team is in the bullpen.

Bartolo Colon for long reliever?

Middle relief is such a crap shoot. It seems like the formula is:
1. Develop it yourself
2. Gamble on guys who used to be good to bounce back
3. Find a middle of the road starter who throws hard and put him in the pen and hope he turns into Wade Davis/Eric Gagne

Edgy MD
Nov 03 2015 03:39 PM
Re: Bullpen 2016

I think way too much was made of KC's superior bullpen. I was generally happy with what the Mets came with.

But, you know, KC won.

I think there are a lot of assets to work with, and they won't need too much supplementing. Montero's condition is a mystery to the public at the moment and may be a mystery to the Mets as well. Black too. I think I left him off the list of minor league free agents, but I'm pretty sure that's where he's headed. (I started that list before he got removed from the roster near the end of the season.

A Boy Named Seo
Nov 03 2015 03:50 PM
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It almost seems antiquated to have right-handed relievers throwing less than 95 now. I think for the hitters, it probably feels like a little bit of a reprieve when the starter throwing 97 is lifted and the reliever is throwing 92, no matter how good the reliever's stuff is.

I'm not saying throw a pillow case full of cash at 'Big Money Free Agent Reliever' cause that sounds dumb. But we had leads in the 8th inning in 4 of the 5 games in the freaking World Series! If we had an Andrew Miller kind of lock-down™ reliever, I think shit woulda been different, horrible defense aside.

Maybe Robles is that guy. Not sure Mejia can be.

Benjamin Grimm
Nov 03 2015 03:58 PM
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I can see Robles getting a more prominent role.

Josh Edgin had his surgery right about when Zack Wheeler had his, right? So he'd also be on track for June or July instead of April.

batmagadanleadoff
Nov 03 2015 04:01 PM
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Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 03 2015 04:07 PM

Everyone's all of a sudden trying to redo the Mets bullpen. Familia was fine, more or less. Gordon HR'd off him but that'll happen. Nobody's infallible. That freak error aka the inside the parker was the real killer in Game #1. I wish people wouldn't try and extrapolate so much deep meaning from five games. I find all this over- analysis so tedious and tiresome, I barely read any of it anymore. I'd rather just enjoy the WS for the spectacle that it is and the history that it'll make and leave it at that. I don't know that the Royals are better. What's better? The teams'd have to play each other hundreds of times head to head to figure that one out. And if they did and the Royals ended up winning, say, 154 out of 300, would that settle anything? The Mets absolutely demolished the Cubs in the NLCS. Made mince meat ouf of them. Does anybody really think the Mets are that much better than the Cubs? If at all?

Centerfield
Nov 03 2015 04:07 PM
Re: Bullpen 2016

batmagadanleadoff wrote:
Everyone's all of a sudden trying to redo the Mets bullpen.


Really? In this thread? I'd go as far as to say no one is trying to redo the Mets bullpen here.

A Boy Named Seo
Nov 03 2015 04:08 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:
Everyone's all of a sudden trying to redo the Mets bullpen. Familia was fine, more or less. Gordon HR'd off him but that'll happen. Nobody's infallible. That freak error aka the inside the parker was the real killer in Game #1. I wish people wouldn't try and extrapolate so much deep meaning from five games. I find all this over- analysis so tedious and tiresome, I barely read any of it anymore. I'd rather just enjoy the WS for the spectacle that it is and the history that it'll make and leave it at that. I don't know that the Royals are better. What's better? The teams'd have to play each other hundreds of times head to head to figure that one out. And if they did and the Royals ended up winning, say, 154 out of 300, would that settle anything? The Mets absolutely demolished the Cubs in the NLCS. Made mince meat ouf of them. Does anybody really think the Mets are that much better than the Cubs? If at all?


Familia is better than fine. I love Familia.

I think the bullpen problems people would like to address are those we saw over the course of more than the 5 games. Clippard was pretty much a disaster the last 5 or 6 weeks(?), and come playoff time, Terry (rightly or wrongly) trusted two starters over just about everyone else in the pen in any situation of importance.

I don't think the bully needs a full makeover, but it needs to be fortified with a solid dude or two (hard-throwing, IMO) .

batmagadanleadoff
Nov 03 2015 04:09 PM
Re: Bullpen 2016

Centerfield wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:
Everyone's all of a sudden trying to redo the Mets bullpen.


Really? In this thread? I'd go as far as to say no one is trying to redo the Mets bullpen here.


Some people are trying to redo some things. And all based on the Mets last five games. And I'm not necessarily talking about anybody on this forum. I'm talking about articles in the press/media. You know ... the talking heads.

Centerfield
Nov 03 2015 04:30 PM
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Gotcha.

I don't think anything needs to be redone. Like I said, lots of good pieces in place. In fact, if the Mets did absolutely nothing this offseason to help the bullpen other than sign a lefty specialist, they might still be ok.

But it sure would be nice to get stronger.

Edgy MD
Nov 03 2015 04:38 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:
Everyone's all of a sudden trying to redo the Mets bullpen. Familia was fine, more or less. Gordon HR'd off him but that'll happen. Nobody's infallible. That freak error aka the inside the parker was the real killer in Game #1. I wish people wouldn't try and extrapolate so much deep meaning from five games. I find all this over- analysis so tedious and tiresome, I barely read any of it anymore. I'd rather just enjoy the WS for the spectacle that it is and the history that it'll make and leave it at that. I don't know that the Royals are better. What's better? The teams'd have to play each other hundreds of times head to head to figure that one out. And if they did and the Royals ended up winning, say, 154 out of 300, would that settle anything? The Mets absolutely demolished the Cubs in the NLCS. Made mince meat ouf of them. Does anybody really think the Mets are that much better than the Cubs? If at all?

The Mets led in every game. The Mets should lobby for shorter games.

batmagadanleadoff
Nov 03 2015 04:57 PM
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Edgy MD wrote:

The Mets led in every game. The Mets should lobby for shorter games.


I was thinking the same thing. If they played seven inning games, the Mets'd be going for the crown tonight.

batmagadanleadoff
Nov 03 2015 05:05 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:
Edgy MD wrote:

The Mets led in every game. The Mets should lobby for shorter games.


I was thinking the same thing. If they played seven inning games, the Mets'd be going for the crown tonight.


If they played seven inning games and someone catches the "inside the parker", the Mets are your 2015 World Champs.

Centerfield
Nov 03 2015 05:42 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:
Edgy MD wrote:

The Mets led in every game. The Mets should lobby for shorter games.


I was thinking the same thing. If they played seven inning games, the Mets'd be going for the crown tonight.


If they played seven inning games and someone catches the "inside the parker", the Mets are your 2015 World Champs.


More than any other play that IPHR will knaw at me the whole offseason. Shit defense showed up in the first inning and haunted us the rest of the series.

Shit defense aided by bad decisions from TC. Lagares should have played CF, with Conforto as DH.

86-Dreamer
Nov 03 2015 06:35 PM
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I hope they point Wheeler to the pen right from the start of his throwing program. Montero as well, but I've long thought Wheeler's power arm and high pitch counts were better suited to relieving than starting. Colon would be a nice luxury as long man / spot starter. Add in Blevins or another loogy and they should not have to add much to be solid.

Nymr83
Nov 03 2015 06:41 PM
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86-Dreamer wrote:
I hope they point Wheeler to the pen right from the start of his throwing program. Montero as well, but I've long thought Wheeler's power arm and high pitch counts were better suited to relieving than starting. Colon would be a nice luxury as long man / spot starter. Add in Blevins or another loogy and they should not have to add much to be solid.


I think it would be a big mistake to shift Wheeler to the pen. If you really don't like him as starter the better move would be to wait until hes made some starts and then trade him, the trade value of "healthy Wheeler the starter" has got to be higher than the value of "Wheeler the reliever"

Ceetar
Nov 03 2015 06:51 PM
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Nymr83 wrote:
86-Dreamer wrote:
I hope they point Wheeler to the pen right from the start of his throwing program. Montero as well, but I've long thought Wheeler's power arm and high pitch counts were better suited to relieving than starting. Colon would be a nice luxury as long man / spot starter. Add in Blevins or another loogy and they should not have to add much to be solid.


I think it would be a big mistake to shift Wheeler to the pen. If you really don't like him as starter the better move would be to wait until hes made some starts and then trade him, the trade value of "healthy Wheeler the starter" has got to be higher than the value of "Wheeler the reliever"


aka the Familia route.

Probably best to assume Wheeler isn't part of the plan and who knows if he'll need a little more time to 'get right' after Tommy John. If the Mets get to the Wheeler return date without a pitcher injury opening a slot for him, we can worry about it then. Seems unlikely.

HahnSolo
Nov 03 2015 06:58 PM
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I loved Robles in Aug/Sep, and hope he gets the opportunity to pitch more important innings next year. And not ignored like he was in October.

Edgy MD
Nov 03 2015 07:13 PM
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HahnSolo wrote:
I loved Robles in Aug/Sep, and hope he gets the opportunity to pitch more important innings next year. And not ignored like he was in October.

I love Robles in the springtime
I love Robles in the fall
I love Robles in the summer, throwing cutters
I love Robles in the winter, choosing putters

I love Robles each appearance!
EACH APPEARANCE OF THE YEAR!
I love Robles, why, oh why do I love Robles?!
Because Tyler Clippard isn't there!

willpie
Nov 03 2015 08:00 PM
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I thought both Colon and Niese looked great out of the pen. I'd be delighted if they kept both of them around, one as 5th-starter-til-Wheeler-Day, the other as spot-starter/long-man. Niese could conceivably become lefty-getter-outer-in-chief after Wheeler's return.

I enjoy Robles and Familia, and hope to see Vic Black again. I guess Reed was pretty good; I just never liked him.

Edgy MD
Nov 03 2015 08:19 PM
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Mets control Niese for one more year, so he's likely your fifth starter. Montero, Verrett, and Gilmartin are available (SIR, YES, SIR!) for any emergencies that crop up before then, but I think we have some questions to work out with regard to Montero.

Benjamin Grimm
Nov 03 2015 08:22 PM
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I don't remember, where did we leave off with Montero? Was there something that indicated that he wasn't too enthusiastic about pitching?

Ceetar
Nov 03 2015 08:28 PM
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Benjamin Grimm wrote:
I don't remember, where did we leave off with Montero? Was there something that indicated that he wasn't too enthusiastic about pitching?


He was complaining about pain, they couldn't find anything, there were insinuations that he was being lazy about ramping up his workload, they got on the same page about him getting into games, and then he was pulled/pulled himself from a game and all we got was a curt 'his season is over' from the Mets.

I may have missed something since though.

Edgy MD
Nov 03 2015 08:28 PM
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Montero missed the most of the season with shoulder soreness, but the Mets were never able to diagnose anything. He kept trying to return and coming up short.

Latest report say that he's feeling great and that he may pitch winter ball to do some catching up.

seawolf17
Nov 03 2015 09:09 PM
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Edgy MD wrote:
Montero missed the most of the season with shoulder soreness, but the Mets were never able to diagnose anything. He kept trying to return and coming up short.

Latest report say that he's feeling great and that he may pitch winter ball to do some catching up.

Wouldn't be surprised to see him be a throw-in somewhere this winter -- let him become someone else's headache.

Edgy MD
Nov 03 2015 09:30 PM
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I'd certainly be surprised. His value is an unknown. Maybe winter ball could change that.

I don't think he should be considered a headache. Injured players happen.

seawolf17
Nov 03 2015 09:36 PM
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Edgy MD wrote:
I don't think he should be considered a headache. Injured players happen.

I know, but IF there was any organizational frustration (is he hurt, yes he is, no he's not), then I could see another team being happy to take on that kind of promise.

86-Dreamer
Nov 03 2015 10:12 PM
Re: Bullpen 2016

Ceetar wrote:
Nymr83 wrote:
86-Dreamer wrote:
I hope they point Wheeler to the pen right from the start of his throwing program. Montero as well, but I've long thought Wheeler's power arm and high pitch counts were better suited to relieving than starting. Colon would be a nice luxury as long man / spot starter. Add in Blevins or another loogy and they should not have to add much to be solid.


I think it would be a big mistake to shift Wheeler to the pen. If you really don't like him as starter the better move would be to wait until hes made some starts and then trade him, the trade value of "healthy Wheeler the starter" has got to be higher than the value of "Wheeler the reliever"


aka the Familia route.

Probably best to assume Wheeler isn't part of the plan and who knows if he'll need a little more time to 'get right' after Tommy John. If the Mets get to the Wheeler return date without a pitcher injury opening a slot for him, we can worry about it then. Seems unlikely.



You are right about his 2016 trade value but I don't want to trade him - I want to win the 2016 World Series. I think a relief role fits in nicely with his skills, the Mets needs and a reduced post surgery workload. He could always go back to starting in spring training 2017.

Ceetar
Nov 03 2015 10:20 PM
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86-Dreamer wrote:



You are right about his 2016 trade value but I don't want to trade him - I want to win the 2016 World Series. I think a relief role fits in nicely with his skills, the Mets needs and a reduced post surgery workload. He could always go back to starting in spring training 2017.


Well we saw how Parnell did with his control in relief upon return, no saying we want someone still getting used to things in that role necessarily. And there's an argument to be made about getting Wheeler lots of reps so he's not hampered in 2017. But sure, if we get to July/August and the rotation is rolling and we need a reliever, it's certainly something to consider.

Zvon
Nov 03 2015 10:26 PM
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86-Dreamer wrote:

You are right about his 2016 trade value but I don't want to trade him - I want to win the 2016 World Series. I think a relief role fits in nicely with his skills, the Mets needs and a reduced post surgery workload. He could always go back to starting in spring training 2017.


I think this is a smart.

metirish
Nov 04 2015 02:07 AM
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niese was a revelation coming in form the pen, seemed to be throwing harder and with nasty stuff......he's got to be kept around, unless he is used as part of a trade to get a bat,,,,Blevins coming back right?, Reed looked good until he didn't . Would like to see Bart back , can fill multiple rolls, good times a head .

Edgy MD
Nov 04 2015 03:17 AM
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Blevins is an agent characterized by his freedom.

Fman99
Nov 04 2015 03:29 AM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:
Edgy MD wrote:

The Mets led in every game. The Mets should lobby for shorter games.


I was thinking the same thing. If they played seven inning games, the Mets'd be going for the crown tonight.


If they played seven inning games and someone catches the "inside the parker", the Mets are your 2015 World Champs.


And if I had a snooch I'd be diddling it. So there you go.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Nov 04 2015 03:21 PM
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Edgy MD wrote:
HahnSolo wrote:
I loved Robles in Aug/Sep, and hope he gets the opportunity to pitch more important innings next year. And not ignored like he was in October.

I love Robles in the springtime
I love Robles in the fall
I love Robles in the summer, throwing cutters
I love Robles in the winter, choosing putters

I love Robles each appearance!
EACH APPEARANCE OF THE YEAR!
I love Robles, why, oh why do I love Robles?!
Because Tyler Clippard isn't there!


Hooray for both sentiment AND execution, here.

I think if Wheelers and Verretts and Goeddels are tossed at the bullpen problem, at LEAST one of them--likely more-- becomes a Hochevar, if not a Davis.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 04 2015 03:28 PM
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Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 04 2015 03:45 PM

I get the impression the Mets were exasperated with Montero, however. They felt like he was either dogging it or not forthcoming as to his health, and it was costly inasmuch as we couldn't execute the 6-man the way they wrote it up and wound up giving too many starts to an ineffective Gee.

edit -- looks like I'm replying to the last message on page 1.

As for the bullpen I don't worry about that shit too much.

Verrett, Goedell, Robles, Reed, Smoker, Familia, Gilmartin ++ the usual array of free-agent, tryout guys, Rule 5's etc. No sweat.

Centerfield
Nov 04 2015 03:42 PM
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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
I get the impression the Mets were exasperated with Montero, however. They felt like he was either dogging it or not forthcoming as to his health, and it was costly inasmuch as we couldn't execute the 6-man the way they wrote it up and wound up giving too many starts to an ineffective Gee.


I got that feeling too.

They were definitely pissed at Gee too.

Ceetar
Nov 04 2015 03:43 PM
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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
I get the impression the Mets were exasperated with Montero, however. They felt like he was either dogging it or not forthcoming as to his health, and it was costly inasmuch as we couldn't execute the 6-man the way they wrote it up and wound up giving too many starts to an ineffective Gee.


It's things like this that I wish the Mets reporters would actually dig deeper into, instead of say Harvey's sleeping habits or where Syndergaard eats lunch. What really happened the day he was shut down?

seawolf17
Nov 04 2015 05:24 PM
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Yeah, that was my point on Montero exactly.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 18 2015 07:12 PM
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Mark Simon of ESPN sez Mets ought to have a drink with Tony Sipp, a lefty late bloomer coming off a great year with Houston. No big platoon splits, 11+ K/9, 3-pitch repetoire, and probably the best ballplayer out of Pascagoula, Mississippi since Harry "The Hat" Walker.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Nov 18 2015 08:03 PM
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Sipp's an interesting option. But does he have a decade of historic KBO/NPB dominance in the rearview, and not one, but two fantastic sobriquets?

Known as "the Stone Buddha" because of his steely resolve, unshakable determination, and cold, emotionless face on the mound, Oh is among the most decorated relievers in the KBO.

Oh, 33, carries one of the best nicknames you’ll encounter in pro sports: “The Final Boss.”

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 18 2015 08:40 PM
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The final boss? Sounds like the team is going Chapter 11.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Nov 18 2015 09:21 PM
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It's a gaming thing, Oldy.

Dude, "Stone Buddha," though.

Centerfield
Nov 18 2015 09:36 PM
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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
The final boss? Sounds like the team is going Chapter 11.


Then he's perfect!

(ba-dum CHING!)

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 18 2015 11:10 PM
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote:
It's a gaming thing, Oldy.

Dude, "Stone Buddha," though.


Damn. I am old.

Edgy MD
Nov 19 2015 02:59 AM
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I'd just like an heir from the Oh Dynasty.

Benjamin Grimm
Nov 30 2015 10:20 PM
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Adam Rubin reports that the Mets are expected to tender a 2016 contract to Jenrry Mejia. (Rubin also says that Mejia would be eligible for the 2016 postseason. Does that sound right?)

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/mets/p ... ia-in-2016

Adam Rubin wrote:
NEW YORK -- Reliever Jenrry Mejia greatly disappointed the New York Mets when he twice tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs in 2015. Still, team officials plan to have the arbitration-eligible Mejia remain a part of the organization for next season rather than non-tender him at Wednesday's deadline.

Mejia, 26, was due to earn $2.595 million this past season. He received only a prorated portion for the three weeks he was active in July between suspensions.

By rule, arbitration-eligible players who are tendered contracts must receive at least 80 percent of their previous year's salary -- or a minimum of $2.076 million in Mejia's case. Mejia could even receive the identical $2.595 million salary in 2016, depending on how the sides settle or what an arbitrator decides.

Still, Mejia will collect salary for only the prorated portion of time after his suspension is served.

He was handed a 162-game suspension on July 29. That suspension came with 62 games remaining in the Mets season, so Mejia still has 100 games to serve in 2016. As a result, the Mets will have to pay Mejia less than 40 percent of his actual salary next season -- no more than about $1 million.

Apparently, the club deems that expenditure worthwhile for the potential Mejia provides, despite the former closer's transgressions.

Mejia will be eligible for the 2016 postseason.

He is not eligible for free agency until after the 2018 season provided the Mets continue to tender contracts each December.

Mejia is working as a starting pitcher for Licey in the Dominican winter league. He is 1-3 with a 4.09 ERA in seven starts. Opponents are hitting .287 against him. He has 20 strikeouts, eight walks and four wild pitches in 33 innings.

The Mets in recent weeks have been leaning strongly toward non-tendering Ruben Tejada, who otherwise could earn in excess of $3 million as a backup middle infielder (coming off a fractured fibula in his right leg for the second time). A final verdict will be known Wednesday.

Frayed Knot
Nov 30 2015 10:47 PM
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Thoughts (!!!!)
1st) Surprising
2nd) Maybe not so much.

After serving out the remainder of his suspension, Mejia would essentially be like a mid-season trade (and when haven't we needed mid-season bullpen help?) that you wouldn't have to give up anyone for at a salary of "only" one million or so. Plus he knows that if he fucks up again that it's the last ML paycheck he'll EVER see. Coming off a year where he took home, what was it?, ONE paycheck, that's pretty good incentive to keep clean.

On the flip side I'm betting that he hasn't been spending his enforced off time polishing up his MENSA application.




I guess the post-season ban is applicable for the year in which the player receives the suspension.

Centerfield
Nov 30 2015 11:48 PM
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It's the smart move. And if you decide you don't want him on the team, you can always trade him.

RealityChuck
Dec 01 2015 01:49 AM
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I wonder if Mejia got a WS share.

Teams are usually generous about shares and Mejia was on the active roster. I don't no how that might work with his suspension.

Frayed Knot
Dec 01 2015 03:07 AM
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RealityChuck wrote:
I wonder if Mejia got a WS share.

Teams are usually generous about shares and Mejia was on the active roster. I don't no how that might work with his suspension.


Players' shares are strictly up to the players themselves to dole out from their share of the pool of money* that the post-season generates. I could see them cutting Mejia something for his two weeks of active service this season but nothing resembling a full share. Every dollar given out, after all, is one less dollar for the rest of them.

By coincidence, the news was out today that the Mets awarded 44 full shares along with 11.05 partial shares and 25 cash awards out of a record $16 million for a WS losing team (maybe Jenrry was the .05)
49 players appeared in at least one game this season. A full share was worth just over $300K/per






* The postseason player's pool comes from 50% of the gate receipts from the Wild Card Games; 60% of the gate receipts from the first three games of the Division Series; 60% of the gate receipts from the first four games of the League Championship Series and 60% of the gate receipts from the first four games of the World Series. That pool is divided between the 10 teams appearing in the postseason.

Centerfield
Dec 01 2015 02:46 PM
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Rickey would have given him a full share.

I wonder how Mejia is treated as compared to say, Zach Wheeler or Josh Edgin. I imagine you'd be inclined to give Wheeler a full share, but give nothing to Mejia, who hurt the team with his selfishness and stupidity.

I wonder how much Bobby Bonilla got.

Benjamin Grimm
Dec 01 2015 03:23 PM
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I read today that Mejia is not eligible to receive any share at all. That's also part of the suspension rule.

MFS62
Dec 01 2015 03:32 PM
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Benjamin Grimm wrote:
I read today that Mejia is not eligible to receive any share at all. That's also part of the suspension rule.

So I'm guessing that the .05 share went to Akeel Morris.

Later

Edgy MD
Dec 01 2015 03:45 PM
Re: Bullpen 2016

Kinda goofy if they tender a deal to Mejia but not to Tejada.

Ceetar
Dec 01 2015 04:02 PM
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I wonder what the incentive is for Mejia here, to just take whatever crap the Mets offer? I mean, They could offer him the same 2.6 mill he had last year, of which they'd only really have to pay like a million of. It's basically nothing. Even if they went to arb, he's not getting much more than that.

I wonder if they could incentive it differently too. "Hey, sign this 1 million dollar contract with a 2 million "if you make 10 appearances" clause.

Frayed Knot
Dec 01 2015 04:15 PM
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Ceetar wrote:
I wonder if they could incentive it differently too. "Hey, sign this 1 million dollar contract with a 2 million "if you make 10 appearances" clause.


No, because the team must offer him at least 80% of what he was due to make this past year: 80% of $2.595 = $2.076
Now that'll get cut essentially in half due to him missing half the season but the rate at which they pay him can't go any lower.
To offer anything less than that in base pay they'd have to let him become a FA and then re-sign him, but then of course he'd be open to other teams' deals as well.

Ceetar
Dec 01 2015 04:37 PM
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Frayed Knot wrote:
I wonder if they could incentive it differently too. "Hey, sign this 1 million dollar contract with a 2 million "if you make 10 appearances" clause.


No, because the team must offer him at least 80% of what he was due to make this past year: 80% of $2.595 = $2.076
Now that'll get cut essentially in half due to him missing half the season but the rate at which they pay him can't go any lower.
To offer anything less than that in base pay they'd have to let him become a FA and then re-sign him, but then of course he'd be open to other teams' deals as well.


I wasn't sure if those rules only applied to actual arbitration or if they could agree to whatever they wanted.

Frayed Knot
Dec 01 2015 04:55 PM
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It would be the same as trying to pay a rookie less than the mandated minimum; Mejia's minimum is just at a different level from a rookie's because of his service time earned to date.
So whatever minimum threshold is in a particular case and regardless of whether it's pre-arb, post-arb, or with a potential FA, if the club fails to make a minimum qualifying offer then it's treated as if they made no offer at all meaning that said player is no longer bound to that team.

Gwreck
Dec 07 2015 12:54 AM
Re: Bullpen 2016

Darren O'Day re-signed with the Orioles: 4 years, $31 million.
I was particularly disappointed to read this but then saw this note from ESPN:
"O’Day’s wife is a Fox News correspondent based in D.C., and it was no secret that he wanted to stay in the Baltimore/Washington area."

Benjamin Grimm
Dec 12 2015 09:43 PM
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If any of us were hoping the Mets would sign Steve Cishek, those hopes have been dashed. He's signing with Seattle for two years, $10 million.

Centerfield
Dec 13 2015 12:51 PM
Re: Bullpen 2016

I guess Seattle would give him the opportunity to close.

Who's even left now?

Benjamin Grimm
Dec 13 2015 02:34 PM
Re: Bullpen 2016

Blevins and Bastardo are still out there last I checked.

Frayed Knot
Dec 13 2015 04:34 PM
Re: Bullpen 2016

I hear Tyler Clippard is available.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Dec 13 2015 05:22 PM
Re: Bullpen 2016

Frankly, if it's not an elite bullpenner, we'd be best served to Verrett and Gsellman it, and spend our resources elsewhere, by, say, splashing the pot on an OF or a interesting Cuban/Asian postee.

Edgy MD
Dec 13 2015 08:49 PM
Re: Bullpen 2016

The Mets have about 12 guys ahead of Verrett and Gsellman. Asides, Verrett's our fifth starter, last I checked.

Benjamin Grimm
Dec 13 2015 09:04 PM
Re: Bullpen 2016

I think that 2016 will be an opportunity for Hansel Robles to step forward.

But I do think they want to add a lefty to the pen, and my guess is that Blevins will be that guy.

Centerfield
Dec 13 2015 10:23 PM
Re: Bullpen 2016

Wonder if they give a low risk deal to Parnell. Second year from TJ bla bla bla.

Zvon
Dec 13 2015 11:06 PM
Re: Bullpen 2016

Gwreck wrote:
Darren O'Day re-signed with the Orioles: 4 years, $31 million.
I was particularly disappointed to read this but then saw this note from ESPN:
"O’Day’s wife is a Fox News correspondent based in D.C., and it was no secret that he wanted to stay in the Baltimore/Washington area."


This was the guy I had my eye on. I didn't know about the deal with his wife.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Dec 13 2015 11:29 PM
Re: Bullpen 2016

Edgy MD wrote:
The Mets have about 12 guys ahead of Verrett and Gsellman. Asides, Verrett's our fifth starter, last I checked.


Figuratively speaking, I meant. Look within. Goeddel-plus-eight-million is worth more than whatever non-O'Day reliever at whom you're throwing O'Day money.

Edgy MD
Dec 13 2015 11:58 PM
Re: Bullpen 2016

Look within is my mantra. It has helped me achieve higher consciousness.

Or it had, until everything went terribly wrong.

Centerfield
Dec 14 2015 02:10 AM
Re: Bullpen 2016

Yeah, I'm not sure anyone left is worth that much of an investment. Was all set to go in on Antonio Bastardo until I realized he's only good in odd years.

Vic Sage
Dec 14 2015 02:49 PM
Re: Bullpen 2016

i'm morally opposed to spending money on middle inning guys and situational lefties. They fall out of trees. We've got enough on the 40 to fill the slots adequately. Sign Cespedes.

seawolf17
Dec 14 2015 03:39 PM
Re: Bullpen 2016

Vic Sage wrote:
i'm morally opposed to spending money on middle inning guys and situational lefties. They fall out of trees. We've got enough on the 40 to fill the slots adequately. Sign Cespedes.

Yeah, I'm back on the Yo bandwagon too.

Frayed Knot
Dec 15 2015 08:54 PM
Re: Bullpen 2016

Blevins is officially back on a one year deal.
Now all he has to do is last more than a week this season and we'll be ahead of the game.


"Thanks for the early Christmas present! I couldn't be happier to return to the Mets" - tweets the lefty

Edgy MD
Dec 15 2015 08:58 PM
Re: Bullpen 2016

Great.

I meant to start a thread sometime on this, but here is as good a place as any.

Blevins pitched to 15 batters, retiring them all, before having his season end. Has anybody ever had a longer perfect season?

I imagine a solid handful have gone deeper into a season before surrendering their first baserunner, but perhaps none have had the dubious grace to get injured before that first guy ever reached.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Dec 15 2015 09:05 PM
Re: Bullpen 2016

This douche owes us a whole season, and he better give one to us.

I don't get how he broke his arm twice.

Centerfield
Dec 15 2015 09:34 PM
Re: Bullpen 2016

Good against lefties. Post says $4 million. More than I would have guessed, but I guess relievers be expensive these days.

Good move.

Centerfield
Dec 15 2015 09:36 PM
Re: Bullpen 2016

Frayed Knot wrote:


"Thanks for the early Christmas present! I couldn't be happier to return to the Mets" - tweets the lefty


And in doing so, is rumored to have broken his thumb.

MFS62
Dec 16 2015 04:43 AM
Re: Bullpen 2016

Good move. Keep him in a protective bubble between appearances.
Walking is hazardous to his health.

Later

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Dec 16 2015 05:58 AM
Re: Bullpen 2016

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
This douche owes us a whole season, and he better give one to us.

I don't get how he broke his arm twice.


Fell on a high curb and re-fractured it.

Seller's market and all, but it's still curious how the guy gets a 60% raise on a week of service. Ah, well. Good to have him back.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Dec 16 2015 11:31 AM
Re: Bullpen 2016

Yeah. "Fell" on a "high" "curb"

How drunk/stoned do you figure he was?

Frayed Knot
Jan 09 2016 02:29 PM
Re: Bullpen 2016

Playing the waiting game with the bullpen

... the Mets are reluctant to go beyond one season for [Bastardo], according to an industry source. [Tyler] Clippard, who came to the Mets at last year’s trade deadline, still could be an option if he’s willing to accept a one-year contract. As it stands, the Mets have no real top target ... History suggests Alderson could wait until spring training begins before adding another reliever or could decide to gamble on his current crop.

Centerfield
Jan 10 2016 12:33 AM
Re: Bullpen 2016

Can't fault the strategy here, though I think I'd be ok to go 2 years on Bastardo, so long as the AAV is reasonable.

Vic Sage
Jan 12 2016 02:41 PM
Re: Bullpen 2016

Sandy is playing it exactly right. There is no point chasing middle relievers, particularly with the system depth we have in pitching arms. I'd rather see Josh Smoker get a shot than throw $$ down the bullpen rabbit hole.

Benjamin Grimm
Feb 01 2016 04:28 PM
Re: Bullpen 2016

Nick Carardo of the Boston Glove reporting that the Mets are still interested in Tyler Clippard:

Full article

You'll have to scroll down a bit to get to the paragraph on Clippard, which doesn't say much, other than "The Mets may still bring back Clippard." This is about as lukewarm as a rumor can be.

Centerfield
Feb 01 2016 04:47 PM
Re: Bullpen 2016

Benjamin Grimm wrote:

You'll have to scroll down a bit to get to the paragraph on Clippard, which doesn't say much, other than "The Mets may still bring back Clippard." This is about as lukewarm as a rumor can be.


I am working on a groundbreaking piece for the CPF Daily where the point of the article is "Or they might not."

Benjamin Grimm
Feb 01 2016 04:50 PM
Re: Bullpen 2016

Be careful that you don't break the Internet.

Ceetar
Feb 01 2016 04:53 PM
Re: Bullpen 2016

Centerfield wrote:
Benjamin Grimm wrote:

You'll have to scroll down a bit to get to the paragraph on Clippard, which doesn't say much, other than "The Mets may still bring back Clippard." This is about as lukewarm as a rumor can be.


I am working on a groundbreaking piece for the CPF Daily where the point of the article is "Or they might not."


I'm thinking of writing an auto-content generating script that just picks a free agent and writes "X Team may be interested in signing" and fills in all the needed uncertainties "If the price is right" "Sources familiar with the thinking didn't rule this move out"

Edgy MD
Feb 01 2016 05:51 PM
Re: Bullpen 2016

The Chicago Cubs are said to be interested in free agent Clint Barmes said sources familiar with the club's thinking. While no deal is currently in place, the team's executives are reportedly weighing a broad array of options.

Benjamin Grimm
Feb 08 2016 09:39 PM
Re: Bullpen 2016

Ken Rosenthal reports Tyler Clippard to Arizona for two years, $12.25 million.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Feb 09 2016 02:19 AM
Re: Bullpen 2016

Extreme flyball pitcher steadily losing fastball velocity/control going to park where balls fly out with ease, housing a home team whose OF defense is getting significantly worse.

Vaya con dios, man.

Centerfield
Feb 09 2016 02:30 PM
Re: Bullpen 2016

And today the Diamondbacks have let sources know that Clippard is available to anyone willing to take on the remainder of his contract.

Deals like this make me glad that Sandy Alderson is our GM. Clippard may end up being great for Arizona, but this is exactly the type of deal a GM should be avoiding.

Frayed Knot
Feb 22 2016 02:03 PM
Re: Bullpen 2016

He looks like someone put a uniform on a coke machine - or so says "a team official" about hard-throwing, muscular LH relief option Josh Smoker

Former 1st round craft pick (#31 overall by Washington in 2007) out of a Georgia High School.
Shoulder injuries derailed his progress; has just turned 27 and only in 2015 did he get as high as AA. But he did well while there: 6.9 H/9, 11/1 K/9 even while walking too many (welcome to hard-throwing lefties).

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Feb 23 2016 03:05 PM
Re: Bullpen 2016

Nothing wrong with getting a long look but Smokie would have had a great shot to crack the squad with last year's Mets. You figure Bastardo & Blevins are already locks this time around.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Feb 23 2016 03:37 PM
Re: Bullpen 2016

Well, they're locks until.

Smokeshow is a veddy interesting stash, regardless.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Feb 23 2016 04:19 PM
Re: Bullpen 2016

Matt Harvey was interested in the coke machine

seawolf17
Feb 23 2016 04:27 PM
Re: Bullpen 2016

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
Matt Harvey was interested in the coke machine

NTTAWWT.

Edgy MD
Apr 06 2016 03:15 AM
Re: Bullpen 2016

Bullpen in 2016

[list]IP: 5 1/3
R: 0
ER: 0
H: 1
BB: 0
SO: 4
ERA: 0.00
WHIP: 0.19[/list:u]

Edgy MD
Apr 06 2016 03:47 PM
Re: Bullpen 2016

And the suspension of Robles is over.

If you've got to lose a reliever to a suspension, that's the time of year to do it.

Edgy MD
May 23 2016 05:43 PM
Re: Bullpen 2016

If the Mets' bullpen was a movie, it would be directed by Godard, because it's some kind of tour de force.

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