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Non Mets Off Season News

MFS62
Nov 06 2015 03:01 AM

I have no idea what this means to both teams, but, Yahoo Sports reporting:
The Mariners have sent first baseman Logan Morrison, infielder/outfielder Brad Miller, and right-hander Danny Farquhar to the Rays in exchange for right-hander Nate Karns, left-hander C.J. Riefenhauser, and prospect outfielder Boog Powell.

Let the shuffling begin.

Later

Benjamin Grimm
Nov 06 2015 03:20 AM
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One of those names is very familiar...

Mets Willets Point
Nov 06 2015 04:16 AM
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One of those names is very familiar...



No relation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_M ... oog_Powell

Centerfield
Nov 13 2015 03:55 PM
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Meanwhile, in other news, Colby Rasmus is highly qualified:

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-l ... 56204.html

cooby classic
Nov 13 2015 04:02 PM
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I just love the name Farquhar

soupcan
Nov 13 2015 04:32 PM
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One of those names is very familiar...



No relation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_M ... oog_Powell


No relation?!

How is that even possible?

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 13 2015 04:53 PM
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MFYs trade reserve catcher John Ryan Muffy to the Twinks for OF Aaron Hicks.

Hicks was a top draft pick, switch-hitting center fielder but looks like he's destined to be a reserve.

John & Suzyn are crying as they were huge JRM fans.

Juaquin Bonoit from SD to Seattle for prospects.

Colby Rasmus becomes 1st guy to accept the QO, will stay with Astros next year.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 13 2015 08:18 PM
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Weiters takes the QO. There goes the Adam Jones trade scheme.

Benjamin Grimm
Nov 13 2015 08:23 PM
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So that's two players now who have accepted the QO.

Daniel Murphy's decision will have to be in within just over an hour and half.

HahnSolo
Nov 13 2015 08:28 PM
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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
Weiters takes the QO. There goes the Adam Jones trade scheme.


Fuckshit. This seems surprising to me.

Isn't he a Boras guy?

Benjamin Grimm
Nov 13 2015 08:33 PM
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Yes, he is. 29 years old, made $8,300,000 last year. He's only played 101 games over the last two seasons. There's no way he'd get a $15 million average annual value, so I guess he went for the big payday. And he'll have another shot at free agency next year.

Frayed Knot
Nov 14 2015 02:11 PM
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Craig Kimbrel ready to don some Red Sox for 2016 -- traded from the Padres in exchange for four prospects: OF Manuel Margot, SS Javier Guerra, IF Carlos Asuaje, LHP Logan Allen.

Edgy MD
Nov 14 2015 03:50 PM
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I tend to think of the Red Sox as always willing to go big on closers, but they've been more stable than my impression suggests. Maybe it's more that they tend to go big in mid-season trades or something.

Anyhow, they've gone big.

Lefty Specialist
Nov 14 2015 04:46 PM
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Hm. Red Sox need a lot more than a closer. They'll be wheeling and dealing some more.

Consensus seems to be this was a nice haul of prospects for the Pads.

MFS62
Nov 22 2015 10:01 PM
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Derek Jeter was interviewed by some YLDB Toady the other day, and he denied the "gift bag" stories.
He and the toady had a big laugh about it. (It looked like the toady was getting paid by the laugh.)
I wonder what the girl who got two of them thought about that.

Later

Frayed Knot
Dec 02 2015 05:30 PM
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Billy Beane continues to deal, even if his final vision isn't always easy to discern.
While SD continues to undo what they spent all of last off-season doing.

SD >>> OAK: 1B Yonder Alonso + LHP Mark Rzepczynski
OAK >>> SD: LHP Drew Pomeranz + (minor league) LHP Jose Torres

TransMonk
Dec 04 2015 03:14 PM
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Diamondbacks show off the eight (8!) uniforms they'll use for 2016.



Blood red and turquoise? My, oh my.

Benjamin Grimm
Dec 04 2015 03:25 PM
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I like the idea of a darker grey on the road uniforms, but the lettering should be a lighter shade so that it stands out more.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Dec 04 2015 04:31 PM
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The "sublimated" snakeskin pattern is the real "innovation" here ... it will be on the hats, sleeves and pant bottoms. UniWatch says the club will also have shoe colors as part of the uni.





batmagadanleadoff
Dec 04 2015 05:27 PM
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Sublimated shmublimated. It can't hide the fact that the D'Backs wear baseball's ugliest uniforms. And that idiotic "D'back" abbreviation. WTF!?! can't fit that long name on the jersey front? Well they shoulda thought of that when they decided to name the team in the first place. What are those players supposed to be, professional athletes or some gone awry hip version of action heroes from some cheesy comic book? Those unis aren't as stupid as the Mets in black and purple set, but thank god I don't have that to kick that around anymore.

Benjamin Grimm
Dec 04 2015 05:51 PM
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I agree with the point about "D-Backs". Use a narrower font and spell out "DIAMONDBACKS" or stick with the A logo, like the Tigers do with their D.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Dec 04 2015 07:48 PM
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Cool duds! Too bad they have no QB and need to play the 'Hawks and Rams twice a year, or they'd have a real shot at showing those off in the Super Bowl this year.

Though I actually kinda like the color combo.

batmagadanleadoff
Dec 04 2015 07:56 PM
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote:
Cool duds! Too bad they have no QB and need to play the 'Hawks and Rams twice a year, or they'd have a real shot at showing those off in the Super Bowl this year.

Though I actually kinda like the color combo.



Boy do I hate modern NFL uniforms. The Cards and the Vikes screwed up classic classics. I don't understood what the Titans unis are supposed to be representing and the Ravens have a dumb contrived crest kinda logo that doesn't scale well and is unreadable. And it's stupid. The Bengals have a genius big cat striping scheme but don't know how to work it in tastefully so it's all over the place. And more stupid stuff -- the last name fonts -- again, out of a comic book.

Although I am warming up to that neon Seahawk color scheme.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Dec 04 2015 07:59 PM
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Yeah, I kinda like the Seahawks uni more than I care to admit. (Their being bad ass during this era probably helps, subconsciously.)

HahnSolo
Dec 04 2015 08:26 PM
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The Seahawk all-blues are good. I dislike their white tops, though.

Frayed Knot
Dec 05 2015 12:11 AM
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RHP John Lackey jumps from StL to the Cubs.
The 37 y/o FA agrees to a two-year deal.

Frayed Knot
Dec 05 2015 01:29 AM
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The Zack Greinke decision, which has been said all week to come to the Dodgers & Giants has been settled in favor of ... the Diamondbacks. Terms not yet disclosed.

Bet it was the new unis.

Benjamin Grimm
Dec 05 2015 01:33 AM
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Funny thing is, Grienke was apparently their second choice, after Johnny Cueto.

Lefty Specialist
Dec 05 2015 01:56 AM
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6 years, $206 million.

That's just nuts.

Ashie62
Dec 05 2015 02:05 AM
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Unless it was a Met of course.

Frayed Knot
Dec 05 2015 03:11 AM
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Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 05 2015 03:12 AM

Lefty Specialist wrote:
6 years, $206 million.

That's just nuts.


Largest AAV (average annual value) contract in MLB history.
ZG turned 33 y/o in October (six days after being the LOSING pitcher in Game 5 vs NYM) so he'll pitch this contract at his age 33-38 seasons.

Centerfield
Dec 05 2015 03:11 AM
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Things are finally moving now.

Hopefully the Cubs are done by signing Lackey.

Edgy MD
Dec 05 2015 03:15 AM
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Don't like how that contract moves the bar, certainly.

Edgy MD
Dec 05 2015 03:16 AM
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Don't like how that contract moves the bar, certainly.

One benefit to setting out early in the offseason marketplace is that you beat the tide.

MFS62
Dec 05 2015 03:40 AM
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Our old pal Ollie Perez to the Nats.

Later

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Dec 05 2015 12:43 PM
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A Twins fan on Pelfrey's 2 year contract with the Tigers: Good that he's gone from the Twins and better that he remains in the AL Central. Ouch!

batmagadanleadoff
Dec 05 2015 08:13 PM
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Greinke gets $33M/yr? Jeez, we better cherish this great Mets pitching staff while we got it because it ain't gonna last like Seaver and Koosman did.

Frayed Knot
Dec 05 2015 08:31 PM
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Not $33/per, $34.33

Jeff Samardzija to the Giants for 5/$90

Edgy MD
Dec 05 2015 08:55 PM
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Better play, San Francisco.

Centerfield
Dec 05 2015 08:59 PM
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Really? How so?

Don't really know him well but those numbers look hardly like he is worth it.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Dec 06 2015 03:00 AM
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I mean, the market is what it is. But yeah, coming off the year he did, well, that's borderline shocking.

How long until the Dodgers' holiday panic-buy?

Edgy MD
Dec 06 2015 03:07 AM
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Centerfield wrote:
Really? How so?

Don't really know him well but those numbers look hardly like he is worth it.

I'm just terrified of $34 million dead wood.

That said, yeah, five years on Samadsfuivzja (or however it's spelled) isn't exactly a safe long-term investment. I withdraw the Giant complement.

Centerfield
Dec 06 2015 03:17 AM
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Agreed. I think I'd rather go Bartolo Colon than Jeff Samardzja

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Dec 06 2015 03:41 AM
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Or, say, Iwakuma. #Latethirtiescontrolpitchersarethenewmarketinefficiency

Edgy MD
Dec 06 2015 03:49 AM
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Or Niese.

#beatyourfearoflongtermcommitementsbytradingforashorttimer

Frayed Knot
Dec 06 2015 04:21 AM
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Obviously a smaller risk with the Samardzija deal even if it does come with a considerably smaller upside.
There have been high expectations for Sdzja ever since he was able to parlay his TE career at Notre Dame into a bigger than normal singing bonus for a 5th round draft pick, but he's yet to come within smelling distance of the kind of year Greinke had in 2015 and has had several of to date. Also not as big of an age gap as I would have guessed; Greinke is just 15 months older.


This all leaves the obviously guess that Cueto winds up with LA lest the Dodgers be left without a chair when all the music stops.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Dec 06 2015 04:30 AM
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Edgy MD wrote:
Or Niese.

#beatyourfearoflongtermcommitementsbytradingforashorttimer


I like your thinking, but I suspect that most contenders aren't thinking of this sort of cost-control while making improvements of this kind, and that other teams wouldn't part with young talent for it.

Certainly burnishes Batman's trade value, though, don't it?

Frayed Knot
Dec 06 2015 07:27 PM
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Two of the big relievers available this off-season have signed.
Darren O'Day is returning to the Orioles - which is nice considering how some sources had him all but signed by the Nats. 4 years - $31 mil is the reported price
and one-time Phil Ryan Madson, who revived his career this past season after three missed years, heads to Oakland. 3 yrs/$22

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Dec 06 2015 11:47 PM
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$7M-plus per AND three-plus years? For MADSON, too? Jaysis.

Edgy MD
Dec 07 2015 03:04 AM
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To make room for David Price, the Red Sox DFA Garin Cecchini. We're gettin' the family back together.

Frayed Knot
Dec 07 2015 01:17 PM
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To make room for David Price, the Red Sox DFA Garin Cecchini. We're gettin' the family back together.


Despite being the lower draft pick (4th round 2010) Garin had been considered the better prospect coming through the minors. But he's also the older one and hasn't done well recently in either his (very) brief ML time or in his latest minor league season [.213/.286/.299 over 422 ABs at AAA Pawtucket] so the perceived futures market in Ga_in Cecchini prospects could well be in the process of reversing itself.

Lefty Specialist
Dec 07 2015 04:03 PM
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Dodjas trade for Aroldis Chapman. Kenley Jansen liable to not be happy, but that's a fearsome 8th and 9th inning combo.

Centerfield
Dec 07 2015 06:07 PM
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Joakim Soria to the Royals to aid a clearly needy bullpen. 3 year deal.

Frayed Knot
Dec 07 2015 06:55 PM
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Lefty Specialist wrote:
Dodjas trade for Aroldis Chapman. Kenley Jansen liable to not be happy, but that's a fearsome 8th and 9th inning combo.


This not only gives LA two closers but two closers entering the walk year of their contracts where one or both will have their save totals reduced and/or negated which will in turn reduce and/or negate their bargaining power next winter. And, yeah, just save totals alone shouldn't do that to a potential FA but you know it will.
Nice dilemma to toss in the lap of a rookie manager. At least it's not like end-of-game closers are known for being volatile hot-heads or anything.

Edgy MD
Dec 08 2015 03:59 AM
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This trade is on hold as reports leak out of some very unsportsmanlike alleged conduct.

Frayed Knot
Dec 08 2015 03:03 PM
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The Bosox become the latest team to jump on the trend of building a multiple bullpen attack by dealing away starter Wade Miley just one year after trading for him and signing him to a three-year extension.
The main bait coming back is Carson Smith, a 26 y/o side-winding righty who rung up 12 Ks and 6 Hits per/9 in his rookie year for Seattle.
This gives the Sox a 1-2-3 punch of Kimbrel, Uehara, and Smith in whichever combo they like.

Frayed Knot
Dec 08 2015 04:25 PM
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Straight-up swap:
Cards deal Jon Jay to the Padres for Hugo Black

OK, just looking to see if anyone was paying attention, it's actually Jay for Jedd Gyorko

HahnSolo
Dec 08 2015 04:38 PM
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Gyorko always struck me as a likely future Cardinal.

Edgy MD
Dec 08 2015 04:53 PM
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Reds may end up totally hung out to dry trying to move Chapman while a scandal hangs over his head.

Who is also left totally holding the bag? Marc Anthony, that's who.

Fman99
Dec 08 2015 05:09 PM
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Edgy MD wrote:

Who is also left totally holding the bag? Marc Anthony, that's who.


That guy has held a TON of bags, I bet.

Lefty Specialist
Dec 08 2015 07:01 PM
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Frayed Knot wrote:
Straight-up swap:
Cards deal Jon Jay to the Padres for Hugo Black

OK, just looking to see if anyone was paying attention, it's actually Jay for Jedd Gyorko


Wow. Supreme Court humor.

Frayed Knot
Dec 09 2015 03:30 AM
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D'Backs deal away the 2015 1/1 draft pick, Dansby Swanson, PLUS OF Ender Inciarte & prospect Aaron Blair to the Braves for RHP Shelby Miller

Miller went a wacky 6-17 in 2015 even with purdy dern good peripheral numbers (although much better in first half of season than in second). He had previously been dealt to the Braves for Jason Hayward.
He has 3 years worth of team control left.

I saw a blurb that called Swanson, a SS out of Vanderbilt, is the 4th #1 overall pick to be dealt away before ever playing for the team that picked him. Not sure who all the others are and I'm sure none have been dealt so quickly (remember the one-year rule was recently waived).
I did come up with Adrian Gonzalez: 2000 #1 by Florida, traded three years later (along with two other players) to the Rangers for Ugeth Urbina
Swanson, who sounds like a cast member of 'Dowton Abbey', had just 100 PAs last year in Rookie ball so he's a ways off yet even with [crossout:1h3vr085]Atlanta's[/crossout:1h3vr085] [Cobb County's by the time he gets there] history of promoting players aggressively through their minor league system.

TransMonk
Dec 09 2015 02:13 PM
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Zona's pitching staff is now oodles better than it was a few weeks ago.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Dec 09 2015 03:45 PM
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Miller's good, but not THAT good-- less swing-and-miss; more pitch-to-contact. Swanson and Blair AND Inciarte? Hell, if you believe in the validity of defensive metrics, Inciarte alone might feasibly be worth more than Miller next season.

Teams seem as hell-bent to help the Braves with these rebuild trades as teams seemed to be with the MFYs a couple years back.

#traidHarvey

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Dec 09 2015 03:50 PM
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote:


#traidHarvey


#Yup

batmagadanleadoff
Dec 09 2015 06:42 PM
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Frayed Knot wrote:

I saw a blurb that called Swanson, a SS out of Vanderbilt, is the 4th #1 overall pick to be dealt away before ever playing for the team that picked him. Not sure who all the others are and I'm sure none have been dealt so quickly (remember the one-year rule was recently waived).
I did come up with Adrian Gonzalez: 2000 #1 by Florida, traded three years later (along with two other players) to the Rangers for Ugeth Urbina
Swanson, who sounds like a cast member of 'Dowton Abbey', had just 100 PAs last year in Rookie ball so he's a ways off yet even with [crossout]Atlanta's[/crossout] [Cobb County's by the time he gets there] history of promoting players aggressively through their minor league system.


Tim Belcher (drafted by Twins)
Josh Hamilton (drafted by Devil Rays)

Edgy MD
Dec 09 2015 07:18 PM
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Hamilton wasn't even dealt away, but Rule 5-ed away.

Frayed Knot
Dec 09 2015 07:39 PM
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I don't even remember where I saw this particular 'stat' or how exactly it was phrased. It may have been on an ESPN screen-bottom crawl so it was just a passing thing but I thought it specified being traded away by the drafting team.

I had noticed both Belcher and Hamilton and each would work if it was simply 'never played for' the team that drafted them - but there are more than four if that's the only standard. But if it was 'traded by', like this Swanson kid just was, then, as Edgy notes, Hamilton doesn't really fit as he was Rule 5'd away (and then traded).
Nor does Belcher who was the #1 overall by the Twins in June '83 but didn't sign. He was then picked 1st by the Yanx in six months later in the 'Secondary Phase' of the draft before being plucked from their roster a few weeks later as a FA compensation pick. So not only is that January draft a bygone thing but it wasn't the same as being a 1/1 pick in the regular phase even when it did exist. Nor is being taken as FA-comp (another procedure which no longer exists) the same as being traded.


btw, Swanson is not just another Georgia kid for the Braves (they seem to get those guys one way or the other) but he's specifically from [u:3kniknaw]Kennesaw[/u:3kniknaw], Georgia in [u:3kniknaw]Cobb[/u:3kniknaw] County where their new stadium will be. Sounds like he's been destined to be a baseball player all along.

Frayed Knot
Dec 10 2015 01:37 AM
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Luis Cessa, the other prospect we sent to the Tiggers along with the more heralded Michael Fulmer in the Cespedes deal, has been sent along to the Yanx (along with another prospect) for LHR Justin Wilson

Frayed Knot
Dec 10 2015 02:30 PM
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Phils decide that in their current condition they have no use for a flame-throwing closer type dealt away Ken Giles to the Astros in exchange for Four young players/prospects:
RHP Vince Velaquez (23 y/o), LHP Brett Oberholtzer (26), OF Derek Fisher (22), RHP Thomas Eshelman (21 - 2015 2nd round pick)

Giles took over the back of the pen after the trade of Papelbon to Washington and saved 15 games in 17 chances.
My recollection is that the Mets didn't hit him and the (small-ish sample) stats seems to bear that out: NYM bats were 5-for-34 against with 1 2B + 1 HR across 9 games/10.1 innings

HahnSolo
Dec 10 2015 02:36 PM
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Frayed Knot wrote:


I saw a blurb that called Swanson, a SS out of Vanderbilt, is the 4th #1 overall pick to be dealt away before ever playing for the team that picked him. Not sure who all the others are and I'm sure none have been dealt so quickly (remember the one-year rule was recently waived).
I did come up with Adrian Gonzalez: 2000 #1 by Florida, traded three years later (along with two other players) to the Rangers for Ugeth Urbina.


Shawn Abner?

Frayed Knot
Dec 11 2015 01:53 PM
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HahnSolo wrote:


I saw a blurb that called Swanson, a SS out of Vanderbilt, is the 4th #1 overall pick to be dealt away before ever playing for the team that picked him. Not sure who all the others are and I'm sure none have been dealt so quickly (remember the one-year rule was recently waived).
I did come up with Adrian Gonzalez: 2000 #1 by Florida, traded three years later (along with two other players) to the Rangers for Ugeth Urbina.


Shawn Abner?


Ah yes! Two and a half years after being the #1/1 pick in the '84 draft, Abner was dealt away (on this date 29 years ago!) in the Kevin McReynolds deal and then made his ML debut the following September.
I didn't realize he stuck around for portions of six seasons (I would have guessed his career more brief than that) although totaled only 902 PA with the Pads & ChiSox.

Frayed Knot
Dec 11 2015 02:06 PM
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Couple of in-division swaps of note yesterday

- Nationals got one good season out of Yunel Escobar and decided that that was as far as they wished to push their luck. So they dealt him to Anaheim in an attempt to shore up the bullpen (aka: make way for later trades of Storen and/or Papelbon). Trevor Gott is the main bait with some minor league PTBNL duct-taped to him.

- and the Braves have given up on catcher Christian Bethancourt. The defensive specialist who Atlanta hoped would develop into an all-around catcher couldn't hold off the 82 y/o AJ Pierzynski last year so he's been shipped to San Diego for pitcher Casey Kelly and 17 y/o minor league catcher Ricardo Rodriguez. Kelly was a one-time 1st round pick of the Red Sox who was sent west in the Adrian Gonzalez deal amid much grumbling from Red Sox nation ("no, whatever you do don't trade Kelly!!"). Since then he's been injured (missed all of 2013 + '14) and/or ineffective (one most likely causing the other) but is still just 26 y/o so the Braves figure is worth a gamble.

MFS62
Dec 11 2015 02:07 PM
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Frayed Knot wrote:
Phils ... dealt ... to the Astros in exchange for ...LHP Brett Oberholtzer (26)

That is oh, so wrong.
Brett Oberholtzer should be playing for St Louis or San Francisco. (A flashback to the old Baseball Digest rookie reports)

Later

Edgy MD
Dec 11 2015 02:08 PM
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What's the word on the Chapman deal?

MFS62
Dec 11 2015 02:21 PM
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Edgy MD wrote:
What's the word on the Chapman deal?

Haven't seen any resolution yet.

Later

Farmer Ted
Dec 11 2015 07:30 PM
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Oliver Perez to the Nats. Oliver. Perez. Ladies and gentlemen.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Dec 11 2015 07:37 PM
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Say what ya want, that guy is having a career. 2016 will be his 14th year in O.B.

TransMonk
Dec 14 2015 09:41 PM
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[fimg=400:1d1r2d35]http://i.imgur.com/WCTisgw.png[/fimg:1d1r2d35]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Dec 15 2015 05:43 AM
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Six-year-deal for $130M or so, reportedly, with player opt-out-- ALL the cool kidz get opt-outz-- after two.

Edgy MD
Dec 15 2015 01:20 PM
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Prediction: He serves the six-year sentence, with the Giants carrying him a good stretch of the way.

Frayed Knot
Dec 15 2015 01:36 PM
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'Opt-Outs' are the new 'No-Trade' clause.



Giants 2016 rotation = Cain, Bumgarner, Peavy, Cueto, Samardzija

Frayed Knot
Dec 16 2015 06:39 PM
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ChiSox send 3 prospects to the Dodgers
Dodgers send 3 prospects to Cincy
Cincy sends Todd Frazier to the ChiSox

Frayed Knot
Dec 17 2015 09:22 PM
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So not only is the Dodgers' trade for Aroldis Chapman on seemingly perpetual hold, but now so is their FA deal for Hisashi Iwakuma
They had previously reached a 3 year deal for the former Seattle starter (and 2015 no-hitter author) but this one has hit a snag over medical questions found during the required physical rather than around any potential felony charges.

bmfc1
Dec 18 2015 04:16 AM
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Brandon Phillips to WSH. He'll have more opportunities to extend his Citi Field hitting streak.

Ceetar
Dec 18 2015 04:47 AM
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bmfc1 wrote:
Brandon Phillips to WSH. He'll have more opportunities to extend his Citi Field hitting streak.


I like this move....for the Mets.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Dec 18 2015 05:13 AM
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He makes the Nats better

Edgy MD
Dec 18 2015 01:11 PM
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Man, Reds hitters have always seemed to gravitate toward Washington since the Nationals came into existence.

Anyhow, this takes DC out of play for Murphy. Have we polled yet on the question of where we think Murphy is going to land?

Frayed Knot
Dec 18 2015 01:14 PM
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Certainly helps the Nats in the short run - although not as much as he would have even 2-3 years ago.

Deal not yet official - although certainly seems to be done. Phillips still has to give his stamp of approval (5-10 rights) and there's no word on what is going back the other way.
Phillips signed for two more seasons at pretty big bucks ($13 & $14). Will turn 35 in mid-season 2016

Frayed Knot
Dec 18 2015 01:40 PM
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Frayed Knot wrote:
So not only is the Dodgers' trade for Aroldis Chapman on seemingly perpetual hold, but now so is their FA deal for Hisashi Iwakuma
They had previously reached a 3 year deal for the former Seattle starter (and 2015 no-hitter author) but this one has hit a snag over medical questions found during the required physical rather than around any potential felony charges.


And Iwakuma returns to the Mariners; one year deal with several options.

Centerfield
Dec 19 2015 04:32 AM
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Ceetar wrote:
bmfc1 wrote:
Brandon Phillips to WSH. He'll have more opportunities to extend his Citi Field hitting streak.


I like this move....for the Mets.


Why do you say that?

Edgy MD
Dec 20 2015 04:48 AM
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Well, it doesn't matter, as the deal is reportedly off. Nats supposedly looking at Howie Kendrick now.

Daniel Murphy seeing a lack of affection.

Frayed Knot
Dec 20 2015 01:11 PM
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Sounds like maybe Phillips wanted compensation -- probably in the form of an extension beyond the two years he has remaining on his deal -- for waiving his N-T rights.


As far as the Nats go, for a team that's already lost Ian Desmond, Yunel Escobar, and Dan Uggla out of the infield -- plus the likes of Doug Fister, Jordan Zimmermann, Denard Span, Craig Stammen, Matt Thorton, and Nate McLouth elsewhere -- they've got a lot of replacing to do and have so far just been nibbling around the edges (Ollie Perez, Logan Schaefer).

seawolf17
Dec 28 2015 09:22 PM
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Aroldis Chapman to the MFYs, allegedly.

Stay classy, Yanx.

Frayed Knot
Dec 28 2015 10:04 PM
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seawolf17 wrote:
Aroldis Chapman to the MFYs, allegedly.

Stay classy, Yanx.


For four prospects - no word yet on which four although the fact that Chapman is both damaged goods (from a pr viewpoint anyway) and can be a FA after the 2016 season implies that it's probably not for their top level guys.
This will basically give them a three-headed closer situation [Miller, Chapman, & Betances] which seems to be all the rage these days. It's hard to imagine that they'd trade for Chapman NOT to use him as the titular closer (assuming he's not arrested, indicted, or suspended of course) and there have been rumors all winter about Miller being traded to fix up things elsewhere so you figure it'll be Betances setting up for Chapman.



oe: "The team later announced that those minor leaguers will be RHP Caleb Cotham, RHP Rookie Davis, INF Eric Jagielo, and INF Tony Renda."
FK: Jagielo appears to be the only appealing prospect and even he's a bit of the way down the list for them.

Ashie62
Dec 28 2015 10:59 PM
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seawolf17 wrote:
Aroldis Chapman to the MFYs, allegedly.

Stay classy, Yanx.


Yes, for four minor leaguers, none close to the show, Chase Colton Rookie Davis etc.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Dec 29 2015 01:08 AM
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Classy or not... it's pretty smart. Cynical, mebbe, yeah, but smart.

Frayed Knot
Dec 29 2015 01:33 AM
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Battle of the AL East Bullpens:

IPERAWHiPK/9K/BBSV
Andrew Miller622.040.8614.65.0036
Dellin Betances841.501.0114.03.289
Aroldis Chapman661.631.1515.73.5233
-----------------------
Craig Kimbrel592.580.9113.23.9539
Koji Uehara402.230.9210.55.2225
Carson Smith702.311.0111.84.1813


Those are the 2015 stats for the back-end of the bullpens for the Yanx and BoSox.
The only non-marquee name in there is Carson Smith, a second-year man the Sox got from Seattle last month in exchange for starter Wade Miley

So as if Yanx/Sawx games weren't long enough to begin with, next year's contests could feature the managers mixing and matching six different closers.

Centerfield
Dec 29 2015 01:51 AM
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote:
Classy or not... it's pretty smart. Cynical, mebbe, yeah, but smart.


Clearly not classy. But I guess it's smart. They're up there with KC now.

But does anyone know how long the suspension will be for the domestic violence? This one seems like a pretty severe case. I'd go 162 at him if I were Manfred.

batmagadanleadoff
Dec 29 2015 04:07 AM
Re: Non Mets Off Season News

Centerfield wrote:

But does anyone know how long the suspension will be for the domestic violence? This one seems like a pretty severe case. I'd go 162 at him if I were Manfred.


Maybe MLB'll let Chapman buy his way out like they let Jeff Wilpon last year.

Frayed Knot
Dec 29 2015 04:10 AM
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I don't believe there's a set number written down anywhere since 'domestic violence' can run the gamut from somewhat scary to serious felony and anywhere in between, so the commissioner has a lot of leeway on how he chooses to act although I suppose there's always a grievous process for the player if he and the union thinks the punishment is too extreme.
There are currently no charges being filed in this case as there were conflicting stories on exactly what went down and it'll be tougher to make a case for a lengthy suspension if charges never are sought.

Joel Sherman in the Post is guessing 10-25 and also points out that 40 or more would be enough to kill his FA qualification at the end of this season - which is something that might get the union's attention also.

Edgy MD
Dec 29 2015 04:11 AM
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It's a big challenge for Marc Anthony.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Dec 29 2015 04:11 AM
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Centerfield wrote:
LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote:
Classy or not... it's pretty smart. Cynical, mebbe, yeah, but smart.


Clearly not classy. But I guess it's smart. They're up there with KC now.



Worked out real great when 09 Mets had Krod and Putz.

batmagadanleadoff
Dec 29 2015 04:15 AM
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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
Centerfield wrote:
LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote:
Classy or not... it's pretty smart. Cynical, mebbe, yeah, but smart.


Clearly not classy. But I guess it's smart. They're up there with KC now.



Worked out real great when 09 Mets had Krod and Putz.


The thing to do is to get the reliever after he terrorizes his girlfriend, not before. That's where the Mets fucked up with K-Rod. But not Milwaukee. And Putz, well he's no wife-beater as far as I know so the Mets screwed that one up as well.

batmagadanleadoff
Dec 29 2015 04:21 AM
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Frayed Knot wrote:

There are currently no charges being filed in this case as there were conflicting stories on exactly what went down and it'll be tougher to make a case for a lengthy suspension if charges never are sought.


No surprise here as everyone involved first hand seems to have done everything possible to keep the incident from ever getting out. It's funny how MLB decided to do nothing while the legal process played out in Jeff Wilpon's case, probably knowing all along that there was a high probability that the matter would settle before the courts got involved. Heck, I'd bet anything that privately, the commish told Jeff that he better settle that case so that nothing would escalate and the commish's hand wouldn't be forced. Of course the the legal process never played out because Jeff essentially paid for the legal system to go away. He may be as guilty as sin. Or as liable as sin.

I know ... one's a crime and the other's a civil matter. But I don't think those differences are meaningful in determining the proper approach baseball should take.

MFS62
Dec 29 2015 04:25 AM
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I can just hear Suzyn now:
"Oh my GAWD, John. That pitch was ONE HUNDRED miles per hour. And she still managed to dodge it."

Later

Edgy MD
Dec 29 2015 04:33 AM
Re: Non Mets Off Season News

batmagadanleadoff wrote:
I know ... one's a crime and the other's a civil matter. But I don't think those differences are meaningful in determining the proper approach baseball should take.

Is the difference between employment discrimination and aggravated assault meaningful?

batmagadanleadoff
Dec 29 2015 05:26 AM
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Edgy MD wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:
I know ... one's a crime and the other's a civil matter. But I don't think those differences are meaningful in determining the proper approach baseball should take.

Is the difference between employment discrimination and aggravated assault meaningful?

You can find differences anywhere. But I don't think that one act (Chapman's. Allegedly.) merits MLB involvement whether or not there's legal intervention while in the other (the Jeff Affair) MLB does nothing under the premise (bullshit story) that MLB shouldn't interfere with the legal process. Knowing all along that Jeff was likely gonna essentially pay so that the courts wouldn't involve themselves. I guess MLB has different standards depending on whether the alleged wrongdoer is a player (labor) or an owner (management).



Or whether the owner's a Wilpon or a McCourt.

Look, I'm just ranting a little. Baseball's still an old boys club run like a college fraternity. It protects its own and applies the rules inconsistently whenever it sees fit. What I was getting at is that MLB should've investigated the Castergine matter. Not that I'm surprised that it looked the other way and whitewashed whatever was made public.

Edgy MD
Dec 30 2015 04:43 AM
Re: Non Mets Off Season News

Stephen Drew to the Nats. One year. Three mills.

I just hope he can give them everything he gave the Yankees the last two years.

Centerfield
Dec 30 2015 05:06 PM
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Frayed Knot wrote:
I don't believe there's a set number written down anywhere since 'domestic violence' can run the gamut from somewhat scary to serious felony and anywhere in between, so the commissioner has a lot of leeway on how he chooses to act although I suppose there's always a grievous process for the player if he and the union thinks the punishment is too extreme.
There are currently no charges being filed in this case as there were conflicting stories on exactly what went down and it'll be tougher to make a case for a lengthy suspension if charges never are sought.

Joel Sherman in the Post is guessing 10-25 and also points out that 40 or more would be enough to kill his FA qualification at the end of this season - which is something that might get the union's attention also.


Yankee fans are downright giddy over this move. Nice to see how much "pride" and "class" and the "Yankee Way" matters when a guy can bring it at 100 MPH.

Reports are that he threatened his girlfriend with a loaded gun and fired shots. To me, this is much closer to "serious felony".

Good news is that if he gets charged with a serious felony before ever throwing a pitch, I think this immediately qualifies him for "True Yankee".

Nymr83
Dec 30 2015 09:39 PM
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Edgy MD wrote:
Stephen Drew to the Nats. One year. Three mills.

I just hope he can give them everything he gave the Yankees the last two years.


I actually like this deal. dirt cheap for anyone past arbitration age. what if he somehow finds even part of the skills he had 3-4 years ago? he isn't that old yet. they can still cut him in a heartbeat if he sucks

Edgy MD
Dec 30 2015 09:50 PM
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Yeah, well, I can still hope.

I'm guessing he turns into the new Lombardozzi. The guy who OPSes .600 (which isn't as non-viable as it used to be) and stays on the roster all year by playing all over the diamond.

Frayed Knot
Dec 30 2015 09:50 PM
Re: Non Mets Off Season News

Plus look at his likely role(s): back-up/insurance policy for Trea Turner at SS and a sub for Murph at late-inning defense.
They don't need him to be good, just decent.

MFS62
Dec 30 2015 09:54 PM
Re: Non Mets Off Season News

Scott Kasmir to the Los Angeles NL team.
3 years.
Didn't hear the terms.

OE- 3 yrs, $48 million

Later

Frayed Knot
Dec 31 2015 01:22 PM
Re: Non Mets Off Season News

That Kazmir deal contains the currently popular opt-out -- although this one is after just one season so he could be a FA all over again next winter.
It also potentially gives the Dodgers an all-lefty starting staff: Kazmir, Kershaw, Alex Wood, Brett Anderson, and, if recovered from surgery in time, Hyun-Jin Ryu


- the 1983 Yanquis have the record 127 games started by LHPs: Shane Rawley (33), Ron Guidry (31), Dave Righetti (31), Bob Shirley (17), Ray Fontenot (15). Oddly they got less than 40 IP that season out of LH relievers
- In 2008 Oakland started 19 consecutive games by LHPs although that was late in the season when some injuries cropped up.
- this past season the White Sox had exactly 2/3 (108) of their game-starts from southpaws

Nymr83
Dec 31 2015 03:06 PM
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where are you getting those numbers (other than thinking of teams that had lots of lefties and looking them up one at a time)

Frayed Knot
Dec 31 2015 03:44 PM
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Nymr83 wrote:
where are you getting those numbers (other than thinking of teams that had lots of lefties and looking them up one at a time)


Made em up!! ... same as I do with all my "facts" around here.

Actually they were in a short article on MLB.com about the Kazmir signing.
The only thing I looked up on my own were who the LHPs were who made all those starts for the '83 Yanx. I obviously knew Righetti & Guidry but wouldn't have come up with the others no matter how much time I was given.

Edgy MD
Dec 31 2015 03:58 PM
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Wonder if that lefty party in LA is going to lead to the Giants dialing 1-800-CESPEDES.

Centerfield
Dec 31 2015 05:12 PM
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Doesn't Cespedes have reverse splits? Or did I make that up?

Edgy MD
Dec 31 2015 05:19 PM
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He does. Or, at least he did last season. It has been more like even over the course of his career.

But it's still an appealing prospect I think. Sometimes, the opposite-side batter strategy gives you an advantage not because of your batter's particular acumen against the opposite hand, but merely because it neutralizes the opposition's particular acumen against the same-side hand.

Anyhow, "CESPEDES" (or more correctly, CÉSPEDES) has eight letters, so his hotline would more likely be some contraction like "1-800-CSPEDES" or the like.

Benjamin Grimm
Dec 31 2015 05:26 PM
Re: Non Mets Off Season News

Or 1-800-CESPEDE. (Leave off the last S for savings.)

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Dec 31 2015 09:50 PM
Re: Non Mets Off Season News

What's the extra E for?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jan 01 2016 06:46 AM
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Benjamin Grimm wrote:
Or 1-800-CESPEDE. (Leave off the last S for savings.)


I'm pretty damn certain savings won't be anywhere near anyone opening the billfold for Yo.

Frayed Knot
Jan 02 2016 06:01 PM
Re: Non Mets Off Season News

It appears that that all-LHP Dodger rotation quirk may be on hold as reports have them signing RHP Kenta Maeda -- the latest Japanese hurler to go all Int'l FA on the NPB (Nippon Professional Baseball) -- to an 8-year deal.
Dodgers have yet to confirm the signing.

Frayed Knot
Jan 08 2016 01:39 AM
Re: Non Mets Off Season News

And now the Dodger deal with the Japanese pitcher ^^^ is on hold. Seems like most of the deals the Dodgers have made this winter go on hold for one reason or another: Chapman, Iwakuma, Maeda



In other NL West news: Denard Span to the Giants for 3 years

Centerfield
Jan 08 2016 01:52 AM
Re: Non Mets Off Season News

The Giants have a great track record, but this and the Samardzija deal are just head scratchers to me.

Was any other team even offering 2 years on Span?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jan 08 2016 06:07 AM
Re: Non Mets Off Season News

3/31M guaranteed, so... just a hair above Cabrera, AAV-wise. Yay.

It's worth noting that he signed with a team that's got a similarly crowded outfield to ours.

batmagadanleadoff
Jan 08 2016 03:19 PM
Re: Non Mets Off Season News

Washington's newest #20:

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jan 08 2016 03:41 PM
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I'm like Muffy's weakest supporter ever and this still fills me with regret and dread.

Nymr83
Jan 08 2016 03:55 PM
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3 years for Span at 31 mil? not the worst deal IF your doctors say he is ok.

seawolf17
Jan 08 2016 04:27 PM
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Daniel Murphy is now dead to me, as Jose Reyes once was.

Fman99
Jan 08 2016 05:18 PM
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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
I'm like Muffy's weakest supporter ever and this still fills me with regret and dread.


Because he's in the division, I'd say the same. Nineteen games per year gives him plenty of chances to park balls over the Whatever-To-Be Porch.

d'Kong76
Jan 08 2016 05:21 PM
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Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 08 2016 05:25 PM

My guess is we're gonna get Muffied some, at least this season.
Or is it Muffy'd?

Ceetar
Jan 08 2016 05:23 PM
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yeah, and Murphy is a better player than some of the other guys they almost signed, so that's bad.

Personally i think he has a good 2016 and a mediocre 2017-2018. I don't think he'll kill the Mets specifically, though he's sorta like the Royals in a "put the ball in play" kind of way.

Farmer Ted
Jan 08 2016 05:58 PM
Re: Non Mets Off Season News

He's wearing an $8 tie, no belt, and a $2,500 TAG Heur watch. A fucking mess.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jan 08 2016 06:08 PM
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Farmer Ted wrote:
He's wearing an $8 tie, no belt, and a $2,500 TAG Heur watch. A fucking mess.


[giggling a little]

d'Kong76
Jan 08 2016 06:17 PM
Re: Non Mets Off Season News

The watch does kinda scream out, or maybe it's the somewhat feminine way
he's holding his hand. He's got a belt on, you can see the holes on a regular
sized screen.

Benjamin Grimm
Jan 08 2016 06:27 PM
Re: Non Mets Off Season News

If you had told me it was a cheap watch and an expensive tie, I wouldn't have had any reason to disbelieve you.

Centerfield
Jan 08 2016 07:54 PM
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It looks like Qbert snakes on his tie.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jan 08 2016 10:34 PM
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It's actually a patternless tie; he's just that excited to be in Washington.

bmfc1
Jan 09 2016 12:34 AM
Re: Non Mets Off Season News

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/n ... story.html

GM Rizzo praises Murphy "smart baseball mind". Sure.

Frayed Knot
Jan 09 2016 05:22 PM
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In an effort to replace Denard Span, the Nats deal off reliever Drew Storen for the closest thing they could find to Denard Span: Ben Revere

Indeed I often conflated Revere and Span as both are low-power/good-speed, LH-hitting CFs who were former 1st round picks of the Twins
Revere, who was dealt away to Toronto during the Philly phire sale last summer, gives away about 80 points of career OPS to Span although is also 4 years younger, a bit of a better base-stealer, and presumably healthier. He'll be under team control for the 2016 & '17 seasons.

Storen, himself #10 overall draft pick, had a good nearly six year run with the Natinals but had a few too many high-profile meltdowns over the past couple of seasons which constantly left him stuck between eh closer's role and that of set-up man.
You wonder if this means that Washington will hang onto nominal closer Jonathan Papelbon, who had several of his own "choking" moments (both literally & figuratively) late last season, or if they'll clean house entirely regarding their bullpen.

Centerfield
Jan 10 2016 12:32 AM
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I think this is good news. Storen is a pretty good reliever and if he straightened himself out, could have made Washington very strong at the end of games. Revere is good, but is a downgrade from a healthy Span. Also, hopefully this takes them out of the running for Cespedes/Fowler, etc.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jan 11 2016 07:57 PM
Re: Non Mets Off Season News

Stone Buddha to the Cards, for a one year deal worth up to $5M. Or, about the same money we have endowed for the guy-who-broke-his-pitching-arm-twice-last-year seat in the Citi pen.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jan 11 2016 08:07 PM
Re: Non Mets Off Season News

Reading between the lines looks like the Cardinals signed this guy for his nickname and whatever future value they derive from signing Asian guys.

Ceetar
Jan 11 2016 08:07 PM
Re: Non Mets Off Season News

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote:
Stone Buddha to the Cards, for a one year deal worth up to $5M. Or, about the same money we have endowed for the guy-who-broke-his-pitching-arm-twice-last-year seat in the Citi pen.


Stone Buddha? I thought he was "The Final Boss"

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jan 11 2016 08:25 PM
Re: Non Mets Off Season News

He said today he preferred "The Final Boss."

--Phrase taught me by LWFS a few months ago that I've heard a billion times since then.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jan 11 2016 08:33 PM
Re: Non Mets Off Season News

Final Boss is nastier-sounding, to be sure.

I wonder if, when teammates get irritated with him, they call him Stone Buddha, just to be all passive-aggressive.

Centerfield
Jan 11 2016 08:40 PM
Re: Non Mets Off Season News

Introduce him to Grant Roberts. He can be Stoned Buddha.

Frayed Knot
Jan 12 2016 08:40 PM
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LHP Wei-Yin Chen inks a five year deal with the Marlins - although the deal contains an opt-out after season two and then an option for a sixth season if he's still around at that point.

The 30 y/o native of Taiwan went 46-32, 3.72 ERA, 1.25 WHiP over four seasons with Baltimore.

Lefty Specialist
Jan 12 2016 08:43 PM
Re: Non Mets Off Season News

Gerardo Parra to Rockies 3 years, $26 million.

Well, SOMEBODY's getting traded from that outfield now.

Edgy MD
Jan 19 2016 12:14 AM
Re: Non Mets Off Season News

Dee Gordon gets five years and $50 million from the Marlins, which is a pretty handsome price even if he regresses, which he likely will. It's a bloody bargain if he doesn't.

The Marlins were looked at as a dark horse last season and proved to be a bottom dweller before launching into third place with a strong September. A revitalized José Fernandez might make that prediction still valid for 2016.

Nymr83
Jan 19 2016 03:48 AM
Re: Non Mets Off Season News

if Gordon regresses to his 2014 form this is a so-so deal. if he regresses to his 2011-2013 form, this is a horrible deal. if 2015 was the "real" Gordon its a good deal. overall, i'd say this is the right amount of risk/reward for the marlins

TransMonk
Jan 20 2016 05:50 PM
Re: Non Mets Off Season News

Jonathan Lucroy wants to win, hopes Brewers trade him

ESPN.com news services wrote:
"I'm not going to sit here and say we're going to compete for the playoffs this year," Lucroy told the [Milwaukee Journal Sentinel] in a telephone interview. "If I did that, you'd call me a liar. I'd lose credibility and respect. I want to win, and I don't see us winning in the foreseeable future. I want to go to a World Series. That's what all players want. Rebuilding is not a lot of fun for any veteran guy."


This next season could be a rough one in Milwaukee.

Frayed Knot
Jan 28 2016 09:10 PM
Re: Non Mets Off Season News

Doug Fister signs a one year deal with the Astros.



Rox trade OF Corey Dickerson to Tampa for pitcher Jake McGee, plus a minor leaguer going each way.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jan 28 2016 09:53 PM
Re: Non Mets Off Season News

Seems like a good, old-fashioned strength-for-strength trade to fill pressing need areas for both sides.

Fister seems like he could be a great value-- consider that his contract cost is lower than Big Bad Bart's, and just a bit higher than Rich Hill's-- IF he somehow regains some fastball giddy-up (it's dropped something like 3 mph over the last two seasons, with the drop from 2014 to 2015 being more severe) and/or regains his command (which suffered a bit early last year, presumably due to the foreamrm issues he was having). He was very good for four seasons before last year (3.17 ERA/3.33 FIP/3.44 FIP+), and he wasn't even THAT bad last year.

Lefty Specialist
Jan 29 2016 07:12 PM
Re: Non Mets Off Season News

Jonathan Lucroy wants to win, hopes Brewers trade him

"I'm not going to sit here and say we're going to compete for the playoffs this year," Lucroy told the [Milwaukee Journal Sentinel] in a telephone interview. "If I did that, you'd call me a liar. I'd lose credibility and respect. I want to win, and I don't see us winning in the foreseeable future. I want to go to a World Series. That's what all players want. Rebuilding is not a lot of fun for any veteran guy."


This next season could be a rough one in Milwaukee.


The new fashion in baseball is trading everyone away and really sucking while you wait for the kids to develop. The Astros did it, and the Braves are doing it right now. Teams that are kind of caught in the middle can suck a little less thoroughly but do it for a longer time (see: Mets 2009-14, Phillies 2012-?).

Brew Crew needs to own the remake and start from scratch.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jan 31 2016 12:19 PM
Re: Non Mets Off Season News

Seems like a good, old-fashioned strength-for-strength trade to fill pressing need areas for both sides.


For some reason, I conflated McGee the reliever with Odorizzi/Matt Moore the starters, and thought the Rockies were getting more. I just looked a little closer at this one:

2 years of McGee the reliever at ~5M/yr and a nice pitching prospect (Marquez)

for

4 years of Dickerson the imperfect starting OF at league minimum (arb eligible next year) and an even better infield prospect (Padlo)

It's weird, Rockie-wise. Keeping in mind that this is the team that traded Tulo for "salary relief," it's even weirder. And then when you take into account that they just added Parra to take Dickerson's spot, for ~9M... it REALLY looks weird.

It is nice that a few teams are trying to rebuild in, um, creative ways, though. Helps keep things bright and fresh-tasting. Congratulations, Rockies-- you're the weird-as lemon zest!

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jan 31 2016 03:51 PM
Re: Non Mets Off Season News

Jonathan Lucroy's dream comes true -- for Jean Segura!

--Brews trade Segura to Dbags for P Chase Anderson, 2B Aaron Hill and a prospect.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Feb 01 2016 03:48 AM
Re: Non Mets Off Season News

They traded Segura for an older, more expensive version, and Wagner for the same... and got one decent prospect in the offing.

Again... it definitely has the waft of half-measure about it.

Frayed Knot
Feb 21 2016 01:32 PM
Re: Non Mets Off Season News

Yovani Gallardo to the Orioles for 3 years.

Certainly a good pitcher, but hasn't looked like the stud he was a couple of years ago, plus was one of the guys with the 'Qualifying Offer' tag on him which means this will cost the O's the 14th overall pick in June.
Is Ian Desmond the last of the 'QO' guys [u:3cnwqo3m]STILL[/u:3cnwqo3m] unsigned?

Edgy MD
Feb 21 2016 06:47 PM
Re: Non Mets Off Season News

He's turned down a lot of money on the road to where he is now.

Frayed Knot
Feb 23 2016 01:59 AM
Re: Non Mets Off Season News

Jimmy Rollins, 37, signs a minor league deal with the ChiSox.
Reportedly he rejected two other offers which came with a roster spot guaranteed but this one apparently nets him more money if he makes the roster.

In the old days players in his situation would often retire. It would give them the chance to use connections to get a good 'regular' job before their name faded from people's memories which was better than toiling on the bench at minimum wage levels. But now, not only don't ballplayers with a lengthy resume need a post-career job but, even if they wanted to work elsewhere, what else is going to net them a million-plus per?

Ashie62
Feb 23 2016 03:22 AM
Re: Non Mets Off Season News

Nobody wants a gamble on Tim Lincecum?

Lefty Specialist
Feb 23 2016 01:39 PM
Re: Non Mets Off Season News

Ashie62 wrote:
Nobody wants a gamble on Tim Lincecum?


Wow, had no idea he was still out there. It all fell apart so fast for him.

Ashie62
Feb 23 2016 10:23 PM
Re: Non Mets Off Season News

Al Jazeera America outs Ryan Zimmerman and Ryan Howard for PEDS.

Bad day for Ryans

Edgy MD
Feb 23 2016 10:31 PM
Re: Non Mets Off Season News

That's actually a story from December. The only news here is the players showing up to camp and facing the media.

As the rules of PED suspensions absurdly relieve the team from their salary obligation toward the player, a PED suspension for Howard but be just about the best news the Phillies could hope for.

Ashie62
Feb 23 2016 10:46 PM
Re: Non Mets Off Season News

It is the same story that dogged Peyton Manning where the pharamicist source recanted.

Part of me believes it is true for all three named.

Lefty Specialist
Feb 24 2016 02:31 AM
Re: Non Mets Off Season News

Well, considering the career arcs of Howard and Zimmerman, I'd say those were pretty crappy PED's.

Frayed Knot
Feb 24 2016 02:40 AM
Re: Non Mets Off Season News

Frayed Knot wrote:
Yovani Gallardo to the Orioles for 3 years.


The O's are apparently contemplating the findings in Gallardo's physical before OK'ing the whole thing.
So with the free time they had while waiting around for the final decision there, they signed Dexter Fowler to a 3-year deal.

Edgy MD
Feb 24 2016 02:57 AM
Re: Non Mets Off Season News

It's pretty 'fusing how somebody has to wait until just about everybody else is in camp to sign a contract, but still gets three years.

MFS62
Feb 24 2016 03:42 PM
Re: Non Mets Off Season News

Respected?
C'mon, be real.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/dodgers/l ... story.html

Later

Ashie62
Feb 24 2016 05:24 PM
Re: Non Mets Off Season News

MFS62 wrote:
Respected?
C'mon, be real.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/dodgers/l ... story.html

Later


Consider the source, LA Times.

Fman99
Feb 24 2016 05:36 PM
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Face Buttley Article Writer wrote:
"You have two guys [Utley, Tejada] desperately trying to make a championship play," [catcher A.J.] Ellis said. "Those two forces collided. And no one felt worse about it than Chase."


Sure, right. I'm pretty sure I felt worse about it. And Ruben.

Lefty Specialist
Feb 25 2016 08:19 PM
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Dexter Fowler goes BACK to the Cubs, leaving the Orioles flummoxed.

Mets may have the best pitching in the league, but the Cubbies are going to have the best offense. This means Heyward can play right instead of center. Not sure what they do with Soler and Schwarber now. That's a crowded outfield.

Zvon
Feb 25 2016 10:38 PM
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Lefty Specialist wrote:
Dexter Fowler goes BACK to the Cubs, leaving the Orioles flummoxed.

Mets may have the best pitching in the league, but the Cubbies are going to have the best offense. This means Heyward can play right instead of center. Not sure what they do with Soler and Schwarber now. That's a crowded outfield.


Schwarber's will spend more time behind the plate. IIRC he started as a catcher. They want to get Schwarber's bat in there somehow. Montero and Ross are both ahead of him on the depth chart as far as catcher goes, so no idea how that's going to play out.

Frayed Knot
Feb 26 2016 02:04 PM
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Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Feb 26 2016 02:09 PM

Lefty Specialist wrote:
Dexter Fowler goes BACK to the Cubs, leaving the Orioles flummoxed.


WOW!! Not only did he spurn the O's, but he did so by giving up a 3/$33 contract for 1 year @ $8 plus a mutual option for 2017 at 9 mil. And the kicker is that Fowler loses nearly $8 million because he turned down the Cubs QO to begin with.
Now I suppose one could argue that he's betting on himself by keeping the possibility to be a FA next season (and perhaps w/o the QO restrictions) but that's a helluva bet.
The Cubs, meanwhile, made room for Fowler (both in the OF and much of it on the payroll) by dealing Chris Coghlan and his $4.8 mil salary to Oakland for spare 25 y/o pitcher Aaron Brooks.


P.S. - Fowler's agent is blasting the media and the Orioles for publicizing the Baltimore deal before it was ever done. Heyman was the original reporter of the news.

Lefty Specialist
Feb 26 2016 02:05 PM
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Schwarber's a terrible defensive catcher, and we know from the NLCS that he's a terrible defensive outfielder. But boy, can he hit. Bit of a dilemma for Maddon. Bet he wishes he still had the DH.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Feb 26 2016 02:22 PM
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Frayed Knot wrote:
P.S. - Fowler's agent is blasting the media and the Orioles for publicizing the Baltimore deal before it was ever done. Heyman was the original reporter of the news.


Because Casey Close has NEVER used or benefitted from early press leaks, I'm sure. "EMPTY SELF-RIGHTEOUS YELLING TO COVER THE FACT THAT I LOST MY CLIENT $25M GUARANTEED OVER AN OPT-OUT!!"

Lefty Specialist
Feb 26 2016 03:34 PM
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Yeah, if I'm Dexter, I'm firing my agent forthwith.

Ceetar
Feb 26 2016 05:39 PM
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Fowler now gets to test the waters either of the next two years if he wants. I don't know if it's coincidence, but there seems to be a lot pushing for opt outs in that crazy free agent class in two years.

Wild conspiracy theory here, but were the players union to push for a larger slice of the pie in negotiations, it'd certainly benefit anyone hitting free-agency the next year or two over people signing long term deals now wouldn't it?

Frayed Knot
Feb 26 2016 06:03 PM
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Unlike the NFL or NBA or NHL, there is no "slice of the pie" formula in baseball; no percentage that is designated strictly for the players.
Fowler, like every other FA, is simply going to make whatever he can in his next negotiations.

I think it's obvious that he erred in rejecting the QO since that's where he wound up anyway and for half the price and it's not like the mutual option he got for '17 makes up for it.
I don't know what happened between him and Baltimore -- it seems like HE backed out but it's not clear.

Centerfield
Feb 26 2016 06:12 PM
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Kinda sucks if you're Baltimore. Swing and miss on Cespedes, you have to outbid yourself like 3 times to bring back Davis, and Dexter Fowler spurns you.

I think they should let Brother Mouzone handle some negotiations.

Lefty Specialist
Feb 26 2016 06:31 PM
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Centerfield wrote:
Kinda sucks if you're Baltimore. Swing and miss on Cespedes, you have to outbid yourself like 3 times to bring back Davis, and Dexter Fowler spurns you.


Plus you come to an agreement with Gallardo only to find out he may be damaged goods when he takes his physical.

Ceetar
Feb 26 2016 06:40 PM
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Frayed Knot wrote:
Unlike the NFL or NBA or NHL, there is no "slice of the pie" formula in baseball; no percentage that is designated strictly for the players.
Fowler, like every other FA, is simply going to make whatever he can in his next negotiations.

I think it's obvious that he erred in rejecting the QO since that's where he wound up anyway and for half the price and it's not like the mutual option he got for '17 makes up for it.
I don't know what happened between him and Baltimore -- it seems like HE backed out but it's not clear.


there's no formula, but I'm sure the players are aware they're getting less and less of the pie. Even if nothing actually happens, I suspect the issue will get raised meaning it might be in the owner's best interest if that number starts heading in the order direction for the NEXT negotiation.

Frayed Knot
Feb 26 2016 06:54 PM
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Ceetar wrote:
there's no formula, but I'm sure the players are aware they're getting less and less of the pie.


Really?


Even if nothing actually happens, I suspect the issue will get raised meaning it might be in the owner's best interest if that number starts heading in the order direction for the NEXT negotiation.


I think the LAST thing the players want is to introduce is the concept of a percentage of revenue as a basis for their pay.

Frayed Knot
Feb 28 2016 07:34 PM
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Ian Desmond to Texas on a one-year deal.
Another guy settling for a deal about half of the QO he rejected.

Frayed Knot
Feb 29 2016 06:31 PM
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Frayed Knot wrote:
Ian Desmond to Texas on a one-year deal.
Another guy settling for a deal about half of the QO he rejected.


And now it turns out that Desmond has signed with the Rangers to be their full-time LF.

So Ian, other than your rejection of the long-term offer (7/$115 ?) two years ago, then the $15.8 mil QO this winter, and now losing your position, how's it going?

Ceetar
Feb 29 2016 06:45 PM
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Frayed Knot wrote:
Ceetar wrote:
there's no formula, but I'm sure the players are aware they're getting less and less of the pie.


Really?


Even if nothing actually happens, I suspect the issue will get raised meaning it might be in the owner's best interest if that number starts heading in the order direction for the NEXT negotiation.


I think the LAST thing the players want is to introduce is the concept of a percentage of revenue as a basis for their pay.


You don't think the players union is aware that league revenue is increasing at a greater rate than player salaries? That's gotta be up there near the top of their concern list.

Edgy MD
Feb 29 2016 07:08 PM
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Every year, there's somebody totally and utterly scrod by rejecting that QO. Desmond doing it on top of having rejected that long-term deal suggests he's got nobody to blame but the man in the mirror. But memories of the long-term offer are probably what led to his faith that that a bigger deal would be out there for him.

Mets may have to calculate into their negotiations the downside of jumping in on Asdrubal Cabrera and not pursuing Desmond and waiting him out, but the downside of waiting, of course, is coming home empty.

Frayed Knot
Feb 29 2016 08:38 PM
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Ceetar wrote:
You don't think the players union is aware that league revenue is increasing at a greater rate than player salaries? That's gotta be up there near the top of their concern list.


I have no idea if that's even accurate.
But even if so, players' salaries are limited now only by their ability to negotiate, I have no idea why they'd also want to tie it to a percentage of something they can't control.

Frayed Knot
Feb 29 2016 08:45 PM
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Edgy MD wrote:
Every year, there's somebody totally and utterly scrod by rejecting that QO. Desmond doing it on top of having rejected that long-term deal suggests he's got nobody to blame but the man in the mirror. But memories of the long-term offer are probably what led to his faith that that a bigger deal would be out there for him.


I think that, like the pre-bust housing market, there has been a perception among players that salaries were destined to always move in only one direction to the point where every contract offered now should be turned down because it's almost certainly to be trumped by a new one if you just wait until next week/month/year, so guarantees be damned and betting on yourself was a virtual no-lose move.

Ceetar
Feb 29 2016 08:54 PM
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Frayed Knot wrote:
Ceetar wrote:
You don't think the players union is aware that league revenue is increasing at a greater rate than player salaries? That's gotta be up there near the top of their concern list.


I have no idea if that's even accurate.
But even if so, players' salaries are limited now only by their ability to negotiate, I have no idea why they'd also want to tie it to a percentage of something they can't control.


I'm not suggesting they want to tie it to a percentage, merely that they want more. It's greater than one player's ability to negotiate. We're seeing record contracts, but just barely.



A lot of this has to do with how more and more of the revenue is of the fixed, television contract, variety and less performance based, coupled with luxury taxes and revenue sharing makes going really crazy with salaries not really financially sound. But it's pretty clear that owners are pocketing more and more money and that the players aren't getting quite as big a proportion.

I don't know what the obvious answer is, salary cap/floors? remove revenue sharing? cut a year off pre-FA service time? but I'd be shocked if it's not one of the points they plan to bring up next year.

Frayed Knot
Feb 29 2016 10:23 PM
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So if they are making proportionally less the solution for them would be fewer rules not more.
Salary caps, even if accompanied by floors, exist for the sole purpose of limiting salaries and guaranteeing owner profits (despite what the ESPN crowd will try and tell you about promoting 'parity') so the players certainly don't want to go that route.

The things most likely to change in a future CBA would be adjustments to revenue sharing and/or a change in FA compensation -- both of which are designed to act as a drag on overall payroll -- although FA compensation has been getting reduced in recent years so it's tough to point to that as a culprit.
The whole idea of the signing team losing a draft pick in addition to the losing team gaining one was based on limiting how many players one team (read: rich teams) could sign in a given year, but that's more of an out-dated concept in this rev-sharing era.


The bottom line is that, no, I don't think players rejecting QO's is part of some strategy based on the idea that they're betting on conditions being different in a year or two. After all, you could accept a QO and still be a FA next year too. I think Desmond simply picked a bad year to have a bad year and has effectively bet on himself twice in the last three years and lost out both times. But that's the nature of a free market and those things will continue to happen in a freer market as well.
As for Fowler & Baltimore: I don't know what the hell happened there. He rejects $15.8/1-year to go for $33/3 and then rejects that for $8/1 all to wind up back where he started?!?!??

Ceetar
Feb 29 2016 10:36 PM
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So if they are making proportionally less the solution for them would be fewer rules not more.
Salary caps, even if accompanied by floors, exist for the sole purpose of limiting salaries and guaranteeing owner profits (despite what the ESPN crowd will try and tell you about promoting 'parity') so the players certainly don't want to go that route.

As for Fowler & Baltimore: I don't know what the hell happened there. He rejects $15.8/1-year to go for $33/3 and then rejects that for $8/1 all to wind up back where he started?!?!??


I wasn't talking QOs, more about Fowler and say Heyward. It seems weird to specifically have an opt-out only in the most competitive free agent class. It feels like something is up.

The Salary cap/floor would have to be negotiated in a way to raise the numbers overall obviously.

$3,762,899,113 was the overall 2015 payroll.

That works out to 125,000,000 on average. If you set that as the floor, with increases tied to revenue or simply increases every year, you'd guarantee the players more money overall, barring 3-4 teams going Dodger crazy and jumping up to 300, which is an extreme case and unlikely.

But you'd need a rolling increase anyway, and by increasing the floor say 20 million every year you'd force competition, you'd force teams to actually have to sign players (and you'd avoid constant embarrassment by the Marlins and others actively cheating the game out of money) You could set the cap ridiculously high, 200k, or even have it a soft cap and increase the revenue sharing numbers above it to help the smaller teams reach the floor. I dunno, I think it'd be interesting and wouldn't really harm the game or competitiveness in any way. I don't know if you could convince the cheaper teams to agree to it, but maybe the rolling increase helps that.

Frayed Knot
Mar 01 2016 12:40 AM
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Ceetar wrote:
I wasn't talking QOs, more about Fowler and say Heyward. It seems weird to specifically have an opt-out only in the most competitive free agent class. It feels like something is up.


Opt-outs are found among the top FAs contracts because they're the ones who can swing them in negotiations and they tend to see them as a win-win. If they continue to perform at an upper level then they get to go FA again, and if not they still have the original guaranteed money from the original deal.
It's like no-trade clauses; EVERY player would like one but only the best positioned in negotiations get one.



As far as the floor/ceiling stuff goes, the clubs are never going to agree to a floor (and certainly not one which start at the current average) and will point to recent history like Houston's where a floor wouldn't have allowed them to break down in order to (successfully) build up again (or it would certainly make such a route much tougher and longer).
The NFL works with a floor/hard-ceiling system but they need to there because so few meaningful players ever get to the FA stage. Also, the players are currently pursuing a lawsuit because they claim **SURPRISE** that the owners are underreporting revenue and therefore the cheating the players out of their share.

Edgy MD
Mar 01 2016 02:28 AM
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The NFL has a puppet union. Salary caps are awful.

Frayed Knot
Mar 01 2016 03:42 AM
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Yeah, I didn't phrase myself correctly in that previous answer.
The NFL doesn't need a system with a cap & floor but it's one the players feel they need to agree to because they don't have truly open FA-gency that will allow salaries to seek their market level.

Because MLB does have one that allows most players to reach a point to sell themselves on the open market before becoming old and gray then they have no incentive to agree to a cap and the owners aren't going to want any part of a floor.

Ceetar
Mar 01 2016 04:47 AM
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Edgy MD wrote:
The NFL has a puppet union. Salary caps are awful.


Salary rules are less awful than teams routinely cheating the league, and therefore the players, out of money. Miami runs dangerously close to taking in more in revenue sharing than they spend on players.

You could argue that it's in the best interest of the fans to not have teams that categorically are not trying to compete. There are going to be a lot of awful Braves-Phillies games this year for example.

And there would be teams up against the cap that would be willing to move dead weight that tanking teams would be willing to deal with, in exchange for say a pick or a prospect. If the Yankees were up against a cap they'd seemingly be willing to pay to let CC or Texiera play badly for the Braves

Of course, you'd run into similar issues about the teams not having the motivation to truly spend because the cost-value ratio wouldn't be great pushing towards the top of a cap. Of course, that's true now anyway and isn't going away.

Frayed Knot wrote:
Yeah, I didn't phrase myself correctly in that previous answer.
The NFL doesn't need a system with a cap & floor but it's one the players feel they need to agree to because they don't have truly open FA-gency that will allow salaries to seek their market level.

Because MLB does have one that allows most players to reach a point to sell themselves on the open market before becoming old and gray then they have no incentive to agree to a cap and the owners aren't going to want any part of a floor.


My point is that the players are NOT reaching market level contracts. What's happening is just shy of collusion. I'm merely suggesting it might be in the best interest of the MLBPA to give up the allusion that they WILL in fact start getting bigger contracts and look for a way to force the issue. Salary caps may be extreme, but I just threw it out there because it's a common thing. There are various other ways they could achieve this, and again my main point is that this IS an issue that's going to be raised.

Frayed Knot
Mar 01 2016 01:03 PM
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I'll likely live to regret asking this, but how are FA-eligible players being denied market rates for their services, and who is colluding and how?

Edgy MD
Mar 01 2016 01:21 PM
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I certainly don't argue for revenue sharing. At least, I don't argue for luxury taxes.

I'm good with the opposing team a cut of the broadcast revenues for a particular game (rather than any pooling) just like they'd traditionally gotten a cut of the gate.

And I equally don't stand for incentivizing tanking. All I said is that salary caps are awful. If you don't like tanking, join me in rooting for a regulation/promotion system.

But man, look at us. All we all willing to just blow things up over poor Ian Desmond.

Ceetar
Mar 01 2016 02:19 PM
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Frayed Knot wrote:
I'll likely live to regret asking this, but how are FA-eligible players being denied market rates for their services, and who is colluding and how?


I've said it a bunch of times, the owners are getting richer and richer and players salaries are not keeping pace. Collectively they make the teams much more money than they cost, hence they're undervalued.

Edgy MD wrote:
I certainly don't argue for revenue sharing. At least, I don't argue for luxury taxes.

I'm good with the opposing team a cut of the broadcast revenues for a particular game (rather than any pooling) just like they'd traditionally gotten a cut of the gate.

And I equally don't stand for incentivizing tanking. All I said is that salary caps are awful. If you don't like tanking, join me in rooting for a regulation/promotion system.


I'm not saying you do. Removing the revenue sharing and the luxury taxes might be better than a salary cap. I'm not necessarily pro-salary cap, but I wouldn't be heartbroken if it went that way. I just think it could be better.

I'm very anti-relegation/promotion. Even if we could do the crazy amount of overhauling to implement it, I don't think it'd have any chance of catching on and I can't think of anything it really adds

Edgy MD
Mar 01 2016 02:33 PM
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Ceetar wrote:
I'm very anti-relegation/promotion.

Well, then, there we are.

Ceetar wrote:
I can't think of anything it really adds

Well, there's the phrase I typed RIGHT BEFORE I INVOKED IT about disincentivizing tanking. Really, now.

Frayed Knot
Mar 01 2016 02:49 PM
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Ceetar wrote:
Frayed Knot wrote:
I'll likely live to regret asking this, but how are FA-eligible players being denied market rates for their services, and who is colluding and how?


I've said it a bunch of times, the owners are getting richer and richer and players salaries are not keeping pace. Collectively they make the teams much more money than they cost, hence they're undervalued.


That answers neither question that I asked.
How are FA players being denied an open market?
Who is colluding and how?

Benjamin Grimm
Mar 01 2016 02:51 PM
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I don't like the idea of relegation/promotion either. It might be a fun thing to play around with in OOTP or something like that, but in real life it's not at all practical, at least not as long as AAA teams get their players supplied to them by the big league teams.

Ceetar
Mar 01 2016 02:54 PM
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yea, too much. banishing a team for having a bad season is fairly harsh, and it also pushes a "just don't be _that_ bad" mentality. And it's still going to relegate teams that aren't tanking, that just happen to be the worst. Sorry Reds, Votto and Frasier got hurt in June and now you don't have a major league team next year.

Frayed Knot wrote:
Frayed Knot wrote:
I'll likely live to regret asking this, but how are FA-eligible players being denied market rates for their services, and who is colluding and how?


I've said it a bunch of times, the owners are getting richer and richer and players salaries are not keeping pace. Collectively they make the teams much more money than they cost, hence they're undervalued.


That answers neither question that I asked.
How are FA players being denied an open market?
Who is colluding and how?


they're not being denied an open market, they're being denied fair market worth. There seems to be an unwritten cap on both annual value and even length that isn't growing at the same rate as revenue is. I'm not saying it's active collusion, but there's a little bit of 'breaking the seal' to it that everyone's afraid to be the first team to pay someone $45 million because then suddenly it'd become the norm. This might very well come to a head with Bryce Harper.

Edgy MD
Mar 01 2016 03:01 PM
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Ceetar wrote:
yea, too much. banishing a team for having a bad season is fairly harsh

If you disagree, that's fine. But pretending you haven't read what I typed is what's maddening.

Ceetar
Mar 01 2016 03:06 PM
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Edgy MD wrote:
Ceetar wrote:
yea, too much. banishing a team for having a bad season is fairly harsh

If you disagree, that's fine. But pretending you haven't read what I typed is what's maddening.


no, I didn't pretend I didn't read it, i dismissed it and stated my opinion that I don't see any benefit to it, and then when pressed I explained why I don't think what you said is a benefit.

Frayed Knot
Mar 01 2016 03:07 PM
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Ceetar wrote:
they're not being denied an open market, they're being denied fair market worth.


A free and open market is what determines fair worth.
Arbitrary numbers that lay down specific caps & floors, or schemes that fix payrolls to a certain percentage of revenues, are what skew it.

Edgy MD
Mar 01 2016 03:09 PM
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Ceetar wrote:
Ceetar wrote:
yea, too much. banishing a team for having a bad season is fairly harsh

If you disagree, that's fine. But pretending you haven't read what I typed is what's maddening.


no, I didn't pretend I didn't read it, i dismissed it and stated my opinion that I don't see any benefit to it, and then when pressed I explained why I don't think what you said is a benefit.

I don't think we don't use language the same way.

Ceetar
Mar 01 2016 03:26 PM
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Edgy MD wrote:
Edgy MD wrote:
yea, too much. banishing a team for having a bad season is fairly harsh

If you disagree, that's fine. But pretending you haven't read what I typed is what's maddening.


no, I didn't pretend I didn't read it, i dismissed it and stated my opinion that I don't see any benefit to it, and then when pressed I explained why I don't think what you said is a benefit.

I don't think we don't use language the same way.


I've suspected as much for years.

Frayed Knot wrote:
they're not being denied an open market, they're being denied fair market worth.


A free and open market is what determines fair worth.
Arbitrary numbers that lay down specific caps & floors, or schemes that fix payrolls to a certain percentage of revenues, are what skew it.


so does revenue sharing, luxury taxes, and a portion of revenue coming from TV contracts. I think salary ranges would, at least for the foreseeable future, result in the players as a whole making more money. But there are clearly other options.

Like maybe putting minor leaguers in the union and actually paying them.

Frayed Knot
Mar 08 2016 01:21 PM
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Pedro Alvarez, one year, Baltimore.

Edgy MD
May 16 2016 08:09 PM
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Lefty Specialist wrote:
Ashie62 wrote:
Nobody wants a gamble on Tim Lincecum?


Wow, had no idea he was still out there. It all fell apart so fast for him.

Reportedly close to signing with the Angels.