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Centerfield Nov 18 2015 09:03 AM |
Syracuse starts it's first year of a three year sanction period. Nice comeback win against St. Bonaventure last night. If a couple of things had broken differently, you'd probably be looking at a Final Four contender. If McCullough had made good on his promise to come back for his sophomore year. If Thomas Bryant hadn't chosen Indiana. And if Moustapha Diagne didn't have academic issues.
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d'Kong76 Nov 18 2015 09:14 AM Re: The NCAA can eat my... |
If you haven't seen the replay of the Kentucky (I think) player catching
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soupcan Nov 19 2015 11:57 AM Re: The NCAA can eat my... |
I'm a little higher on this team than you CF. I think they can sneak up on teams and make some noise.
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Gwreck Nov 19 2015 01:08 PM Re: The NCAA can eat my... |
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Like, um, not cheating? Hiring a coach that is willing to play by the rules? Recruiting players based on some actual academic merit?
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Centerfield Nov 19 2015 01:55 PM Re: The NCAA can eat my... |
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If they recruited players based on actual academic merit, then no. They would never be a Final Four contender. No one in college basketball does this. If you want to criticize the entire system, that's fine, but singling out one team for this is not fair. The "cheating" allegation is unfortunately, true. They broke the rules, and hence the sanctions. But for what they found (pot-smoking was swept under the rug, and two students had work done for them, local YMCA guy not affiliated with the school gives improper benefits), the punishment was disproportionately harsh. Especially given what goes on at other schools. And yes, it's very lame to say "But I'm not cheating as much as that guy!" But in college sports, where rules are skirted all the time, there has to be uniformity in enforcement. This is especially true where a school has self-reported violations. No question Syracuse self-reported in 2010 because they thought it was very minor, and expected to get a slap on the wrist from the NCAA. Instead, the NCAA conducted a four-year investigation looking back more than a decade and found only this. And despite that, they received one of the harshest punishments ever doled out. (By comparison, UNC did not self-report, was found guilty of widespread academic fraud, including fake classes administered by the University, and their punishment was probation for 1 year.) So yes, not cheating would be one way to have avoided sanctions. Another way would have been to conduct themselves in the exact same manner, but be presided over by an institution that governs in a fair, even-handed way instead of handing out arbitrary punishments at its whim. But in any case, no, those were not the breaks I was alluding to. Those were: 1. Chris McCullough rising up the mock drafts despite missing most of the season just based upon his potential, causing him to leave school. 2. Thomas Bryant picking Indiana over SU. (Indiana having problems of its own) 3. Moustapha Diagne eligibility issues. The NCAA questioned a class on his HS transcript. It was raised late, and has not been ruled upon one way or the other, but because of the timing, Diagne had to withdraw and enroll at a junior college. So with a few of those things going SU's way, they would have been a contender even with the sanctions.
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soupcan Nov 19 2015 02:00 PM Re: The NCAA can eat my... |
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Well, CF was talking about the comings and goings of individual players but I get where you're going. They broke the rules, they got punished. There was academic fraud, there was illegal drug use (Marijuana) that was detected but unreported and some other lesser infractions. The gist of it was that this stuff - although relatively minor (not saying 'academic fraud' is minor just that it wasnt widespread, it was 2 maybe 3 cases over more than 10 years) went on for a significant period of time and thats why the hammer came down so hard. The debate in Syracuse is about the imposed penalties being TOO harsh. The university has appealed hoping for a reduction in the penalties. In the meantime this is what they are currently dealing with: 1. Jim Boeheim suspended for nine ACC games in the 2015-16 season. 2. The vacation of 108 of Boeheim's coaching victories, dropping him down from second to sixth on the all-time wins list in Division I. 3. A reduction of 12 scholarships over four years. Thats 3 schollys each year - a HUGE blow. 4. Fine of $500 per contest played by ineligible students. 5. Syracuse must return to the NCAA all funds it has received to date through the former Big East Conference revenue sharing for its appearances in the 2011, 2012 and 2013 NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament. This could cost the school more than $1 million. 6. Reduction in the number of permissible off-campus recruiters from four to two during June 1, 2015 through May 31, 2017. 7. Men's basketball and football programs placed on five-year probation from March 6, 2015 through March 5, 2020. Did you know that the investigation began when SU self-reported itself to the NCAA? It did, and before the NCAA did anything this is what the University did to itself: 1. A one-year postseason ban for men's basketball in the 2014-15 season. 2. A voluntary, two-year term of probation for the athletic department. 3. Elimination of one scholarship for men's basketball for the 2015-2016 season. 4. Elimination of a men's basketball off-campus recruiter for six months during 2015-2016. 5. Vacation of 24 men's basketball wins: (15 in 2004-05 and nine in 2011-12). 6. Vacation of 11 football wins: (six in 2004-05; one in 2005-06; four in 2006-07). No surprise that I'm in agreement with those that think the NCAA penalties are pretty harsh when considering what SU imposed upon itself. Thats neither here nor there though. What the college basketball community is really waiting for is what the NCAA is going to do to North Carolina. and whether it will dwarf the Syracuse penalties (which it should considering the scope of the abuse at that school compared with what was going on at SU). One professor at SU who agrees with the punishments there ('We got what we deserved') says this: 'With our severe punishment as a benchmark, I am eagerly waiting to see what the NCAA does to the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the site of a documented, massive academic fraud involving more than 3,000 students over 20 years. A three-year "death penalty" sounds right to me. Let's see if the NCAA has the guts to impose it.'
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soupcan Nov 19 2015 02:06 PM Re: The NCAA can eat my... |
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I don't think thats the end of it though. More violations were found in August and the thinking was that the NCAA would act AFTER the NCAA tournament in 2016. Am I mistaken?
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soupcan Nov 19 2015 02:10 PM Re: The NCAA can eat my... |
One more: Boeheim announced he will 'retire' 2 seasons after this one.
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Centerfield Nov 19 2015 02:16 PM Re: The NCAA can eat my... |
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Oh, I didn't realize more were found. Should be interesting then. How funny is that? We were writing nearly identical responses at the same time.
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soupcan Nov 19 2015 02:18 PM Re: The NCAA can eat my... |
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Thought the same thing.
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Centerfield Nov 19 2015 02:22 PM Re: The NCAA can eat my... |
It's crazy how similar those responses are. Same points, same words.
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soupcan Nov 19 2015 03:10 PM Re: The NCAA can eat my... |
Yeah - you, me and Fab Melo.
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Gwreck Nov 19 2015 03:46 PM Re: The NCAA can eat my... |
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There are some schools that recruit on academic merit. A few of them even play Division 1. You are correct though that they are not going to be final four contenders. I've long since thought that academic rankings should be considered in the College Football Rankings, NCAA tournament selection committee, etc. You have trouble graduating your players? Fine, we'll still let you play, but you get to be a #8 seed instead of a #1, and so forth.
Fair enough.
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Fman99 Nov 19 2015 08:06 PM Re: The NCAA can eat my... |
Vacating wins from a coach's record is like trying to surgically restore the hymen. That shit is busted, son.
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soupcan Nov 25 2015 10:38 AM Re: The NCAA can eat my... |
Lotsa upsets in the early going of the college hoops season.
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cooby classic Nov 25 2015 11:39 AM Re: The NCAA can eat my... |
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Oh it can happen
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soupcan Nov 30 2015 11:38 AM Re: The NCAA can eat my... |
It was a pretty good week for Orange hoops.
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cooby classic Nov 30 2015 12:01 PM Re: The NCAA can eat my... |
Hang in there.
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soupcan Nov 30 2015 01:14 PM Re: The NCAA can eat my... |
BAM - #14!
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soupcan Dec 01 2015 10:20 AM Re: The NCAA can eat my... |
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On debuting in the top 25...
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soupcan Dec 02 2015 09:11 AM Re: The NCAA can eat my... |
Syracuse -v- Wisconsin tonight at 7:15 on ESPN2.
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Centerfield Dec 02 2015 11:04 AM Re: The NCAA can eat my... |
Anyone going to SU-St. John's at the Garden? Giving serious thought to bringing the family.
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soupcan Dec 02 2015 12:36 PM Re: The NCAA can eat my... |
Of course! I'll be 51 year-old drunk guy wearing orange acting like I'm still in school. Your kids will LOVE me!
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Fman99 Dec 02 2015 08:42 PM Re: The NCAA can eat my... |
Yuk-a-roo
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soupcan Dec 02 2015 08:51 PM Re: The NCAA can eat my... |
The 'Cuse is exposed! Undersized in the middle.
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Centerfield Dec 02 2015 08:52 PM Re: The NCAA can eat my... |
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Well fuck. Now go beat Georgetown.
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soupcan Dec 03 2015 08:45 AM Re: The NCAA can eat my... |
My only question is why wasn't Coleman in the game at all in the 2nd half? If nothing else just to have a big body clogging the lane. Wisky's big guys were under the basket all night.
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Centerfield Dec 03 2015 09:14 AM Re: The NCAA can eat my... |
I think it's inexcusable.
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soupcan Dec 03 2015 09:51 AM Re: The NCAA can eat my... |
Well, he's gone after 2018 so there's that.
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soupcan Dec 03 2015 02:19 PM Re: The NCAA can eat my... |
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And now the NCAA has decided that Boeheim will NOT be suspended for the first 9 ACC games but rather the next 9 immediate games starting on Saturday against Georgetown. The suspension will cover games against Georgetown, Colgate, St. John's, Cornell, Montana State, Texas Southern, Pittsburgh, Miami & Clemson. The last 3 will be ACC conference games. On the surface it looks like a better deal (and it probably is considering that of those 9 games at least 4 could probably be won if a monkey was on the sidelines) but the fact that the team has just 2 days to prepare for the head coaches complete removal from the program is pretty shitty.
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cooby classic Dec 03 2015 07:15 PM Re: The NCAA can eat my... |
yeah whatever. Told you so
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soupcan Dec 04 2015 07:52 AM Re: The NCAA can eat my... |
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You did....sort of.
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cooby classic Dec 05 2015 10:18 AM Re: The NCAA can eat my... |
You're welcome!
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Methead Dec 05 2015 12:39 PM Re: The NCAA can eat my... |
Georgetown can eat my...
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soupcan Dec 07 2015 08:47 AM Re: The NCAA can eat my... |
Yeah, it's 9:43 am and Georgtown still sucks.
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Fman99 Dec 07 2015 09:11 AM Re: The NCAA can eat my... |
Seriously. This team needs some Colgate style opponents to get off the shneid.
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cooby classic Dec 07 2015 10:11 AM Re: The NCAA can eat my... |
How'd she work that into the conversation?
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soupcan Dec 07 2015 10:54 AM Re: The NCAA can eat my... |
'Oh you went to Syracuse? I went there too, etc., etc.....'
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cooby classic Dec 07 2015 10:58 AM Re: The NCAA can eat my... |
That's pretty neat!
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Methead Dec 08 2015 11:19 AM Re: The NCAA can eat my... |
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Totally agree. They're gonna have to find more than 6 guys who can play. If Hop is planning to hand out more minutes, hopefully someone can prove something and keep those minutes once Coach returns.
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Centerfield Dec 31 2015 08:59 AM Re: The NCAA can eat my... |
Yikes. We're not very good this year. Weakest front line I can remember in SU history. Coleman's not that good, still working his way back from injury. Roberson, not that good. Really needs to grow a pair. And Richardson, I think will be good, but is better suited for guard.
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Centerfield Jan 04 2016 12:14 PM Re: The NCAA can eat my... |
I wonder if they realize there is no post-season ban this year.
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seawolf17 Jan 04 2016 12:42 PM Re: The NCAA can eat my... |
Welp.
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Vic Sage Jan 04 2016 01:29 PM Re: The NCAA can eat my... |
yea, we made the top 60!
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seawolf17 Jan 04 2016 02:17 PM Re: The NCAA can eat my... |
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I'm assuming it is. Plus Jameel Warney miiiiiight just be NBA-bound. http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/hollinger/statistics
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Centerfield Jan 04 2016 03:36 PM Re: The NCAA can eat my... |
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It's better than Syracuse.
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themetfairy Jan 04 2016 03:57 PM Re: The NCAA can eat my... |
Kudos BTW on the Columbia game. That one hurt....
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seawolf17 Jan 04 2016 04:21 PM Re: The NCAA can eat my... |
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GAH we forgot to have a tailgate.
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themetfairy Jan 04 2016 05:33 PM Re: The NCAA can eat my... |
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MK made other plans for the weekend so D-Dad and I wimped out on the trip.
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Centerfield Jan 05 2016 09:40 PM Re: The NCAA can eat my... |
This might be the weakest Syracuse team I've ever seen. And I mean like literally weak. The front court just does not have the muscle to hang in against the top teams in basketball.
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MFS62 Jan 06 2016 08:52 AM Re: The NCAA can eat my... |
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So, what you're saying is, while the NCAA can eat your ... , strong opponents can eat the team's lunch. Later
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Centerfield Jan 19 2016 10:56 AM Re: The NCAA can eat my... |
Yo, that's messed up Coach K.
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seawolf17 Jan 22 2016 11:03 PM Re: The NCAA can eat my... |
https://twitter.com/SBUbandalumni/statu ... 2210535426
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Edgy MD Jan 26 2016 09:55 AM Re: The NCAA can eat my... |
Some good urban folklore and the legend of Pearl Washington.
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seawolf17 Feb 01 2016 01:29 PM Re: The NCAA can eat my... |
WELL WELL WELL
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Centerfield Mar 28 2016 09:27 AM Re: The NCAA can eat my... |
Like I said at the very start of this season, Syracuse is awesome. Definite Final Four contender.
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MFS62 Mar 28 2016 09:41 AM Re: The NCAA can eat my... |
I used to think Boeheim was a good recruiter, and teacher (the zone, the zone), but not a good in-game coach which it seemed he left to his assistant coaches while he argued with the refs. But now I'm beginning to change my mind. That switch from the zone to the press was a great tactical move.
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Centerfield Mar 28 2016 11:13 AM Re: The NCAA can eat my... |
Syracuse-Villanova is an all Big East final.
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Methead Apr 01 2016 12:55 PM Re: The NCAA can eat my... |
Oh hi guys!
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Ashie62 Apr 01 2016 01:21 PM Re: The NCAA can eat my... |
Boeheim is awesome.
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seawolf17 Apr 01 2016 01:38 PM Re: The NCAA can eat my... |
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Pikiell is a great guy and you're going to be very happy with him. Nothing but great things to say about him.
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Lefty Specialist Apr 02 2016 07:22 PM Re: The NCAA can eat my... |
(In Warner Wolf voice)
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MFS62 Apr 03 2016 02:24 PM Re: The NCAA can eat my... |
And Boeheim remains tied with Nat Holman as the only coaches of a New York State college team to win the NCAA men's basketball championship,( with one apiece).
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MFS62 Apr 04 2016 10:36 PM Re: The NCAA can eat my... |
Golly gee!
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MFS62 Apr 05 2016 10:17 PM Re: The NCAA can eat my... |
At least Jim Boeheim's Syracuse men's basketball team didn't lose by 31 points.
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Rockin' Doc Apr 07 2016 08:51 PM Re: The NCAA can eat my... |
A pathetic UNC fan has posted an online petition to have the NCAA championship game result overturned and UNC awarded the title. He asserts the refs stole the game from UNC through incompetent and prejudicial officiating. My favorite posts are those by "Tyler Hansborough" and "Julius Peppers" which are obviously mocking the pathetic UNC fans that just can't accept that they lost.
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