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Centerfield Nov 18 2015 10:53 AM

Wow. Take a look at this: Did the Daily News just accuse the NRA of Jihad? Article here: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politic ... -1.2437868 I know the tabloids are supposed to be sensationalist, but this is really going for the jugular.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 18 2015 12:22 PM Re: Another Daily News Cover Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 18 2015 01:11 PM

A sensationalist way-- with words carefully, if intemperately, chosen-- to land a pretty damn rational point, to be sure.

d'Kong76 Nov 18 2015 12:54 PM Re: Another Daily News Cover

Most likely, irresponsible use of the press. Nothing new here.

MFS62 Nov 19 2015 07:14 AM Re: Another Daily News Cover

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: A sensationalist way-- with words carefully, if intemperately, chosen-- to land a pretty damn rational point, to be sure. Like you, I agree that they have brought to light something that has to be addressed. But their choice of words in that headline is over the top. Later

Centerfield Nov 19 2015 09:00 AM Re: Another Daily News Cover

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: A sensationalist way-- with words carefully, if intemperately, chosen-- to land a pretty damn rational point, to be sure. Agreed on the underlying message. I don't know how one can hear the testimony from grieving parents and not vote accordingly, but that's another story. But my intent wasn't to turn this into a gun control thread. I'm saying even for the rags, this is pretty sensationalist. It doesn't say, but strongly suggests, that the Paris terrorists got their weapons here, because of lax gun control laws.

d'Kong76 Nov 19 2015 09:37 AM Re: Another Daily News Cover

If terrorists based in the middle east can buy guns in America and then get them to (and use them) in Europe there are far bigger pro- blems than the NRA and their sick jihad. I can't watch the news, stuff like this gets so politicized and everyone wants to jump in and ride the waves and use it for other purposes it makes me physically ill.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 19 2015 09:40 AM Re: Another Daily News Cover

The News isn't saying that the guns used in Paris were bought in New York. They're saying that the NRA is opposed to a law that would ban people on the terrorist watchlist from buying automatic weapons, which, they're saying, would make a similar attack in New York City easier to stage.

d'Kong76 Nov 19 2015 09:55 AM Re: Another Daily News Cover

I know, was more reacting to: It doesn't say, but strongly suggests, that the Paris terrorists got their weapons here, because of lax gun control laws

Edgy MD Nov 19 2015 10:49 AM Re: Another Daily News Cover

It's a salient enough point that even this Texas Republican lawmaker has seemingly come around, wishing out loud that his state was a little more like California with regards to the rights and privileges of holders of non-citizen drivers licenses. Does the Daily News handle it honestly or honorably with the headline? No. And that's a shame, because an opportunity for easy simple policy change gets lost. Stick to the facts, man. Guns acquired in the US by non-citizens may not have been used by the terrorists last week in Paris, but they're used all the time by narco-terrorists in Mexico and throughout the CONCACAF factions like MS-13.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 19 2015 01:01 PM Re: Another Daily News Cover

If terrorists based in the middle east can buy guns in America and then get them to (and use them) in Europe there are far bigger pro- blems than the NRA and their sick jihad. But that's the point: the "jihad" is the reflexive push against even common-sense gun-control measures. The word choice is meant to be associative/provocative, but apart from the loaded-Ness of "jihad," I don't see any implication of NRA complicity in Paris or any other specific incident. (Y'know, except for every crime committed in this country by someone using a gun obtained illegally/easily, because there isn't any national gun-law standard. Or maybe that's a link I see.)

Benjamin Grimm Nov 19 2015 01:16 PM Re: Another Daily News Cover

d'Kong76 wrote: I know, was more reacting to: It doesn't say, but strongly suggests, that the Paris terrorists got their weapons here, because of lax gun control laws I don't think that's at all accurate. The only thing the article is saying about Paris is this: The federal Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act, even in the wake of last week’s terrorist killing of 129 people in Paris, remains a long shot due to its rabid pro-gun opponents. It in no way implies that the guns used in Paris came from the United States. It's just saying that the NRA is opposed to laws that might help prevent something similar from happening here. The NRA — and their gun-loving Republican cohorts — are refusing once more to stop terrorists intent on getting armed in the U.S.A. A legal loophole allows suspected terrorists on the government’s no-fly list to legally buy guns, but a bill to fix that will likely wither on the vine. The federal Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act, even in the wake of last week’s terrorist killing of 129 people in Paris, remains a long shot due to its rabid pro-gun opponents. “Anything which they feel restricts the use or the ability to retain a gun they’re opposed to,” bill co-sponsor Rep. Pete King (R-L.I.) told the Daily News. The Government Accountability Office’s report found that 91% of all suspected terrorists who tried to buy guns in America walked away with the weapon they wanted between 2004 and 2014. “It’s sort of a knee-jerk reaction,” he said Tuesday. “The National Rifle Association is strongly opposed to it and the fact is we have only a handful of Republican co-sponsors.” The legislation was initially proposed in 2007 by the Bush administration, with King formally introducing the bill in Congress two years later. Currently, some known or suspected terrorists are prohibited from boarding airplanes by the government’s no-fly list — but all are allowed to buy assault rifles and other weapons. While the bill remained a nonstarter, more than 2,000 suspects on the FBI’s Terrorist Watchlist bought weapons in the U.S. over the last 11 years, according to the federal Government Accountability Office. The GAO reported that 91% of all suspected terrorists who tried to buy guns in America walked away with the weapon they wanted over the time period, with just 190 rejected despite their ominous histories. HOW THE NRA FUNDS MEMBERS OF CONGRESS In 2013-14, the number of successful buyers rose to 94% — with 455 suspects buying weapons and just 30 denied as allowed under current laws. “It is hard to believe that anyone could defend that someone on the Terrorist Watchlist should get a gun, no questions asked,” said Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.). “I can’t believe that our Republican colleagues would block this now.” Rep. Peter King (R-L.I.) and Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) introduced legislation earlier this year to prevent anyone on the watchlist from buying guns. Rep. Peter King (R-L.I.) and Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) introduced legislation earlier this year to prevent anyone on the watchlist from buying guns. Schumer predicted there was a “good chance” that his Republican Senate colleagues will have “no choice but to pass it, despite NRA opposition ...We’re going to get it to the floor and my guess is it’ll pass.” Yet Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) pleaded ignorance about the bill unveiled nine months ago — as did a number of other GOP senators who declined to offer an opinion. “I’m not particularly familiar with the legislation,” McConnell insisted. The NRA did not respond to a Tuesday request for comment, but opposed the 2009 version of the proposed law on grounds that law-abiding Americans wrongly placed on the list would lose their Second Amendment rights. Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) called the proposed law a “no-brainer” in the wake of the latest terrorist carnage by ISIS killers. Elif Dogan, 26, originally from Turkey, had only been living in Paris for a few months with her Belgium husband Milko Jozic, when they were both tragically killed at the Bataclan music hall while attending the Eagles of Death Metal concert on Nov. 13, 2015. Feinstein planned to send a note to Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley asking the Iowa Republican to start moving the process forward. King, after six years of disappointment, sounded far less optimistic about the bill’s chances. “I think that right now it’d be tough to get through,” he told The News. “I strongly support it. But no, it’s not going to move right now.” King said there’s “just too much opposition” from pro-gun GOP House members, even though the proposal is backed by the White House. There are roughly 700,000 names on the FBI’s Terrorist Screening Database — commonly known as the Terrorist Watchlist. It includes the names of both domestic and international suspects identified through intelligence and law enforcement investigation. Not a single gun buyer on the list was turned away because they posed a threat to the American populace as a potential terrorist. Reasons for their rejections included “felony conviction, under indictment, adjudicated mental health, misdemeanor crime of domestic violence conviction, fugitive from justice and controlled substance abuse,” said the GAO in its summary. Schumer and Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) remained upbeat about their prospects. “It’s certainly something that should be done,” Reid said. But just two years ago, the Senate ignored the tearful gun control appeals of Newtown, Conn., families whose kids were murdered inside the Sandy Hook Elementary School. Their call for a federal ban on assault weapons collapsed in March 2013, only three months after the slaughter of 20 students and six staffers.

d'Kong76 Nov 19 2015 01:47 PM Re: Another Daily News Cover

I'm not going to get into all this too much. The gun laws in NYS are very strict, especially in Westchester County where I live. One of my best friends (a pillar of society) has been waiting 15 months for a pistol permit to be finalized. It's ridiculous.

Centerfield Nov 19 2015 01:54 PM Re: Another Daily News Cover

The article doesn't say it. I thought the cover suggested it. When I saw that and the headline, I thought to myself "OMG, did those guys in Paris buy their guns here?" Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but my first reaction was exactly the one I thought the DN was going for.

d'Kong76 Nov 19 2015 01:59 PM Re: Another Daily News Cover

The cover is so over the top the more I think about, they should be ashamed of themselves on several levels.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 19 2015 02:03 PM Re: Another Daily News Cover

Centerfield wrote: The article doesn't say it. I thought the cover suggested it. When I saw that and the headline, I thought to myself "OMG, did those guys in Paris buy their guns here?" Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but my first reaction was exactly the one I thought the DN was going for. I don't think so. I think it's all about American gun laws, the NRA, and what can happen here. The Daily News has been demonizing the NRA for a long time and I'm quite okay with that.

cooby Nov 19 2015 02:37 PM Re: Another Daily News Cover

A letter in one of our local papers (written by an obvious moron) suggested all Americans better start packin' to defend ourselves. I dunno, I guess those poor children in the Connecticut kindergarten should have been armed. Edit: THere are four comments! 11:18: I agree, Mr Goldsmith 11:18: I agree, Mr Goldsmith 11:19: I agree, Mr. Goldsmith 11:20: Sorry for the triple comment lollol

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 19 2015 06:29 PM Re: Another Daily News Cover

Yeah too bad the workers at WTC weren't armed.

Nymr83 Nov 20 2015 02:45 PM Re: Another Daily News Cover

The terrorists and criminals don't need the NRA's help to get guns. The people who wish to defend themselves from those people do.

Nymr83 Nov 20 2015 02:46 PM Re: Another Daily News Cover

cooby wrote: A letter in one of our local papers (written by an obvious moron) suggested all Americans better start packin' to defend ourselves. I dunno, I guess those poor children in the Connecticut kindergarten should have been armed. that's an absurd strawman argument, I really expected better from you. we have armed guards protecting courts, banks, etc, maybe we should have some protecting a buoding filled with 100s or 1000s of unarmed kids.

d'Kong76 Nov 20 2015 03:34 PM Re: Another Daily News Cover

I think she was being sarcastic or something?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 20 2015 07:17 PM Re: Another Daily News Cover

Nymr83 wrote: The terrorists and criminals don't need the NRA's help to get guns. The people who wish to defend themselves from those people do. If the NRA were really about gun safety and security for the average gun owner, they would work with politicians to craft actual effective national gun legislation with teeth, that's less intrusive than the patchwork of state laws in place now. Y'know, instead of disingenuous grandstanding, playing to the paranoiacs, and throwing ridiculous amounts of money at anything that even smells like gun control.

cooby Nov 21 2015 02:41 PM Re: Another Daily News Cover

d'Kong76 wrote: I think she was being sarcastic or something? Yeah

Edgy MD Nov 21 2015 05:08 PM Re: Another Daily News Cover

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Nymr83 wrote: The terrorists and criminals don't need the NRA's help to get guns. The people who wish to defend themselves from those people do. If the NRA were really about gun safety and security for the average gun owner, they would work with politicians to craft actual effective national gun legislation with teeth, that's less intrusive than the patchwork of state laws in place now. Y'know, instead of disingenuous grandstanding, playing to the paranoiacs, and throwing ridiculous amounts of money at anything that even smells like gun control. Moreover, it really isn't true. Two out of every three guns seized from narcoterrorists in Mexico have been traced to the United States. So yeah, they have enjoyed the NRA's help.