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Michael Cuddyer Retired?
Centerfield Dec 12 2015 02:15 AM |
Twitter is buzzing that the Mets listed Cuddyer retiring on their transaction page. It was soon removed.
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themetfairy Dec 12 2015 02:17 AM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? |
No shit?
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Centerfield Dec 12 2015 02:23 AM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? |
Confirmed says Adam Rubin.
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Centerfield Dec 12 2015 02:23 AM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? |
This just in. Ceetar still expecting big things from him in 2016.
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themetfairy Dec 12 2015 02:24 AM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? |
Addition by subtraction!
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metirish Dec 12 2015 02:31 AM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? |
Beat guys now reporting this as true, wow
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bmfc1 Dec 12 2015 02:31 AM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? |
I wonder what it's like to be able to walk away from $12,500,000. This frees money for Cespedes or Span.
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Centerfield Dec 12 2015 02:31 AM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? |
There must be some sort of buyout no?
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Rockin' Doc Dec 12 2015 02:32 AM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? |
How much cash dose that free up? Too bad that money isn't likely to help land the big outfield bat the Mets so desperately need.
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bmfc1 Dec 12 2015 02:33 AM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? |
"Here's $6 million. Take the season off."
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Centerfield Dec 12 2015 02:33 AM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? |
The fucker couldn't do it a day earlier? Like when Heyward was still available? Fuck even 12 hours earlier.
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themetfairy Dec 12 2015 02:36 AM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? |
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This
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d'Kong76 Dec 12 2015 02:38 AM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? |
This is a bizarre turn of events. Jeez, I was just kidding about
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Centerfield Dec 12 2015 02:42 AM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? |
Think he could be the new bench coach? Like, not kidding.
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d'Kong76 Dec 12 2015 02:50 AM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? |
Hope this kinda abrupt decision is just a life choice and not being
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metirish Dec 12 2015 02:50 AM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? |
Question, why would he take a buyout on guaranteed $$$
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A Boy Named Seo Dec 12 2015 02:54 AM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? |
All of this is so weird.
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Mex17 Dec 12 2015 02:54 AM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? |
Until I hear otherwise, I am taking this as there now being $12.5 million of dead money on the books, one less quality veteran on the bench, no backup at first base, and a step closer to a AAAA player like Nieuwenhuis or Campbell on the Opening Day roster. None of that is good.
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Benjamin Grimm Dec 12 2015 03:00 AM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? |
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Freeing up one year of Cuddyer salary wouldn't come close to paying for eight years of Heyward. This is good news though. It's exactly what I was hoping Jason Bay would do.
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Centerfield Dec 12 2015 03:06 AM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? |
They would have only had to come up with another 175 million or so. Maybe only $155 if you take away Cabrera.
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Mex17 Dec 12 2015 03:09 AM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? |
We might need this guy now:
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Edgy MD Dec 12 2015 03:16 AM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? |
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Sort of what Bay did, though. Taking a partial payment to walk away. Main difference was that he tried to start over in the other league. Last guy to walk away leaving money on the table by his own initiative (assuming this is how it went down) was Mo, I think.
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Mex17 Dec 12 2015 03:18 AM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 12 2015 03:49 AM |
Bur are we even sure that he is leaving money on the table. I'm honestly asking, because the last time I checked all contracts are guaranteed. That means that you get paid if you are cut. . .I'm not really sure what that means if you walk away.
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RealityChuck Dec 12 2015 03:45 AM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? |
Several sources indicate that if a player voluntarily retires, he's not paid for any of the outstanding contract.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 12 2015 03:55 AM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? |
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GALL DANG NIT
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dgwphotography Dec 12 2015 05:12 AM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? |
Everyone who is dancing on his grave should be ashamed of themselves. This tells me that his surgery (hernia?) might not have gone well, or he has another health issue. Neither scenario is something to celebrate over.
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Lefty Specialist Dec 12 2015 11:40 AM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? |
Had nothing against Cuddyer the person, but hated the performance of Cuddyer the player, and hated that he cost too much as well as a draft pick..
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MFS62 Dec 12 2015 12:32 PM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? |
Ka-ching!
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 12 2015 12:43 PM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? |
Well this is weird.
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Mex17 Dec 12 2015 12:47 PM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 12 2015 03:15 PM |
Based upon that $92.2 million number that Rubin put out there as the payroll commitment going into the winter, things roughly break down like this. . .
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Frayed Knot Dec 12 2015 01:34 PM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? |
I really wish that fans' first reaction to stuff like this wouldn't be to run around like a bunch of coked-up accountants.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 12 2015 02:05 PM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? |
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themetfairy Dec 12 2015 02:25 PM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? |
Being please about being done with a bad deal is hardly dancing on the man's grave. But from the moment we saw him play in Spring Training in March it was obvious that Cuddyer was well past his productive prime. The Mets overpaid for him for the wrong reasons, and frankly it is a relief that we won't have to watch him hobbling through another season.
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Edgy MD Dec 12 2015 02:31 PM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? |
I thought Mex only started threads.
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Benjamin Grimm Dec 12 2015 02:35 PM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? |
$10 million for an eighth-inning guy is a bit steep. Tony Sipp just signed for three years, $18 million.
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Edgy MD Dec 12 2015 02:42 PM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? |
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That's good stuff!
I was trying to guess if he was a former college coach or former army sergeant. Turns out to have been the former. The Twins rehired him in recent years as Terry Ryan tries to put the organization back on track.
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Centerfield Dec 12 2015 02:52 PM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? |
Is it bad form? Then I guess I am guilty as charged.
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themetfairy Dec 12 2015 02:58 PM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? |
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I love you Man!
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d'Kong76 Dec 12 2015 03:00 PM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 12 2015 03:00 PM |
Grave dancing is a bit of stretch.
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Mex17 Dec 12 2015 03:00 PM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 12 2015 10:29 PM |
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My bad, I thought that O"Day set the market at $9 million per. If you think you can shave a few mil of the set-up man, that might make some sense, but not too much $$$ shaved off.
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d'Kong76 Dec 12 2015 03:02 PM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? |
You're right about Clippard, 8.3 million... god, I wouldn't have guessed that.
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Mex17 Dec 12 2015 03:06 PM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Dec 12 2015 03:09 PM |
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I edited my post because different places are reporting his 2015 salary as various amounts. Some say around $8 million, others around $5 million. Regardless, the going rate for set-up men is right around $8 to $9 mil annually over three years.
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Frayed Knot Dec 12 2015 03:18 PM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? |
Erasing wise-ass comments doesn't mean they didn't happen or weren't seen.
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Mex17 Dec 12 2015 03:24 PM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 12 2015 03:26 PM |
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But the difference between me and you is that I don't go on the attack initially (while also being the guy who has 35,000+ posts on the site that was set up to be the "more refined" option to another site that I will not mention by name). So stay classy, pencil-sketch.
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Centerfield Dec 12 2015 03:24 PM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? |
That being said, very classy move by Cuddyer all around. Both to walk away and to write that statement.
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themetfairy Dec 12 2015 03:25 PM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? |
True.
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Centerfield Dec 12 2015 03:31 PM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? |
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And I have a fond regard for you as well.
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Centerfield Dec 12 2015 03:37 PM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? |
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If there really is $30 million, I would go $20 million for Cespedes/Upton, then spend the remaining $10 million on bullpen help. Blevins is a great start. I think Cishek could be had for less than $5 million. I'd also look into bringing back Kelly Johnson, as I think he can still be a very useful piece.
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Frayed Knot Dec 12 2015 04:00 PM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? |
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Attack? Please! And I have no idea what post totals or other boards have to do with this. Nor do I know what a "pencil sketch" is. Nor do I think I want to.
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d'Kong76 Dec 12 2015 04:16 PM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? |
I think he's referring to your dashing avatar, Mr. Pencil Sketch. hahaha
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Vic Sage Dec 12 2015 04:36 PM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? |
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S'long, Cuddy, and thanks for all the fish you didn't catch. And don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
Yeah, just replace Span or Parra with Cespedes, and we've got something. But god forbid we have a $130-$135m payroll, that might actually put us at the bottom rung of the top 1/3 of payrolls next year.
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Edgy MD Dec 12 2015 05:08 PM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? |
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Enough with the "some here" stuff. Talk about bad form.
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Centerfield Dec 12 2015 05:22 PM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? |
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Are you implying that this is not true? Ceetar and MGIM are outspoken about this. Ashie falls into this camp too. As for your standpoint, I don't know where you fall. I know you refute a lot of my points. You were not sold on Heyward. You don't advocate for Cespedes. Upton, you say, is not a good fit. But I don't know that I've seen you speak openly on your thoughts about the payroll.
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Edgy MD Dec 12 2015 06:01 PM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? |
I'm saying all here can speak speak for themselves. I'm-not-naming-names straw man shots like that is part of what Saladoc used to make this place as miserable as hell.
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Edgy MD Dec 12 2015 06:07 PM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? |
I've kind of supported going big on Cespedes, depending on how big. I just think — and I'm dangerously close to entertaining broad, sweeping generalizations with regard to Cubanos — he's kind of crazy, living in his own orbit, and possibly juiced to the eyebrows.
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Ashie62 Dec 12 2015 06:14 PM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? |
Put the money to good use. Thank you Jason Cuddy!
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bmfc1 Dec 12 2015 06:17 PM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? |
Sherman opines today that the Mets are better off with Span because Yo takes away AB's from Conforto.
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Centerfield Dec 12 2015 06:17 PM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? |
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I didn't think it was really contested that some disagree with me on the payroll issue. Anyone that has been reading the past few weeks can see that and know who that is. I know I have not been arguing against myself. I'm happy to name names, as you saw above. I didn't think, and still don't think, this is necessary.
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Centerfield Dec 12 2015 06:20 PM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? |
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I understand this. And you've been consistent on this throughout the years. You and I both advocated re-upping Piazza at the end, and frankly, we both whiffed on that. Which makes your failure to endorse Cespedes strange. It's out of character for you. You started a Murphy thread. I hear you on the Cespedes reservations. I have them too. I far preferred Heyward (I have no such hangups about coveting others' stuff). But I think he and Upton, imperfect as they are, are the best options left.
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Edgy MD Dec 12 2015 06:59 PM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? |
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Centerfield Dec 12 2015 07:41 PM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? |
Got it. Agreed.
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Ashie62 Dec 12 2015 09:18 PM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? |
Get Cespedes. I miss the parrot wear already.
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seawolf17 Dec 13 2015 06:15 PM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? |
Fuck, this thread went south quickly.
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Ashie62 Dec 13 2015 06:44 PM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? |
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Centerfield started talking for others. Thread is dead.
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Frayed Knot Dec 13 2015 06:46 PM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? |
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Both sides have 'no commented' to questions about a buyout.
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seawolf17 Dec 14 2015 12:41 PM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? |
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I'm figuring -- because he's not an idiot and because he's a member of a union with an agent -- that he's not getting nothing.
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Edgy MD Dec 14 2015 02:19 PM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? |
And for whatever it's worth, Cuddyer seems to have mentioned Jeff Wilpon most specifically when talking about bringing his intentions to the team. One could conclude, if one were inclined, that Alderson wasn't exactly driving the bargain on the other side of the table when the buyout was negotiated.
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batmagadanleadoff Dec 14 2015 03:19 PM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? |
Jeff Wilpon can go fuck himself.
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batmagadanleadoff Dec 14 2015 03:26 PM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? |
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Yeah, I know. What the hell was that all about? We can't say that the guy sucked at the end of his career, just like everybody else including Willie Mays and Hank Aaron and Mickey Mantle sucked at the end of their careers? The guy had a 15 year career, and is retiring at age 35 after having made over 80 million dollars from baseball. That's some fucking grave. I said ... 80 million dollars.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 14 2015 03:35 PM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? |
I didn't say you can't say what you said, I said it was bad form the way it was said.
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batmagadanleadoff Dec 14 2015 03:39 PM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? |
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Who's talking about you?
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Edgy MD Dec 28 2015 01:44 PM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? |
Cuddy as a pinch hitter over his career: .355 / .431 / .548 // .979.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 29 2015 01:01 AM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? |
Right? Losing Cuddyer didn't make me want to cut myself or anything, but his loss isn't necessarily a net gain. Assuming even slightly better health than last year, he could have been a very useful--if overpriced-- piece of a good offensive unit, and arguably more useful than anyone we'll pick up/use in his stead.
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Centerfield Dec 29 2015 01:40 AM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? |
But .680 OPS in 19 ABs as a PH last year. And .411 OPS in another 19 ABs as a DH. Michael Cuddyer was shot guys.
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Edgy MD Mar 02 2016 06:45 PM Re: Michael Cuddyer Retired? |
Post reporting that the buyout for Cuddyer was $2-3 million, citing an "industry source."
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