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Pete Rose ban remains in place

Benjamin Grimm Dec 14 2015 06:00 PM

ESPN.com wrote: Pete Rose remains banned for life from Major League Baseball. Commissioner Rob Manfred announced Monday that Rose's banishment will stay in place for gambling on baseball. Rose was initially banned in 1989. "Mr. Rose's public and private comments, including his initial admission in 2004, provide me with little confidence that he has a mature understanding of his wrongful conduct, that he has accepted full responsibility for it, or that he understands the damage he has caused," Manfred said in his decision. MLB said Manfred contacted Rose on Monday to inform him of the ruling. Manfred also tried to clarify that this does not affect Rose's eligibility for the Hall of Fame. "In my view, the considerations that should drive a decision on whether an individual should be allowed to work in Baseball are not the same as those that should drive a decision on Hall of Fame eligibility," Manfred wrote. "... Any debate over Mr. Rose's eligibility for the Hall of Fame is one that must take place in a different forum." Manfred said Rose can continue to make appearances in ceremonial activities connected to MLB.

Edgy MD Dec 14 2015 06:04 PM Re: Pete Rose ban remains in place

I agree wholeheartedly with both those statements. Well said by Manfred or whoever writes for him.

Centerfield Dec 14 2015 06:48 PM Re: Pete Rose ban remains in place

I agree wholeheartedly with Edgy's wholehearted agreement. Lacking a mature understanding of his wrongful conduct is a great way to describe Pete Rose. I'm immature too. I would have sent Buddy Harrelson to hand deliver the rejection letter.

metsmarathon Dec 14 2015 07:30 PM Re: Pete Rose ban remains in place

so, silly question. have they ever voted anybody into the hall based on their integrity, sportsmanship, or character?

d'Kong76 Dec 14 2015 07:41 PM Re: Pete Rose ban remains in place

metsmarathon wrote: have they ever voted anybody into the hall based on their integrity, sportsmanship, or character? Ty Cobb

Centerfield Dec 14 2015 07:50 PM Re: Pete Rose ban remains in place

Wow, those PR guys do a great job. Here is the original source material, before edits: Rob Manfred wrote: Fuck Pete Rose. He's a fucking dick. [stands up and mimics coitus motion] And fuck the Hall of Fame too. They're as much a shitshow as Pete.

Edgy MD Dec 14 2015 07:55 PM Re: Pete Rose ban remains in place

metsmarathon wrote: so, silly question. have they ever voted anybody into the hall based on their integrity, sportsmanship, or character? 100%? Of course not. I imagine it's made a difference (one way or the other) in a handful of otherwise borderline cases, though. I also imagine it's made a difference in the ultimate vote total of otherwise not-borderline cases, if that matters.

Edgy MD Dec 14 2015 08:11 PM Re: Pete Rose ban remains in place

Not to add insult to injury, but hasn't Rose also earned something of a de facto ban from post-season pre- and post-game shows?

Rockin' Doc Dec 14 2015 09:11 PM Re: Pete Rose ban remains in place

I'm not at all surprised by the ruling. I believe the odds were 5-1 against Rose being reinstated.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 14 2015 09:14 PM Re: Pete Rose ban remains in place

Which way was Pete betting?

d'Kong76 Dec 14 2015 09:27 PM Re: Pete Rose ban remains in place

Pets's a bookie now, he wins either way.

Frayed Knot Dec 14 2015 10:53 PM Re: Pete Rose ban remains in place

I'm sure this will be a major focus on ESPN where they think there's little to discuss about baseball except for Pete's HoF banishment. But I think most baseball fans, other than Cincy boosters who still worship Rose, have moved on and care very little about his ongoing status.

Edgy MD Dec 15 2015 01:12 AM Re: Pete Rose ban remains in place

Oh, I've detected on social media a growing fissure in the culture wars where Pete still has a supportive place in the heart of the Obama's ruining this country/stop coming for my guns/get your head out of the sand/I remember when we had a real president faction/factions.

Frayed Knot Dec 15 2015 04:25 AM Re: Pete Rose ban remains in place

Oh Pete certainly still has both supporters and detractors with entrenched opinions on either side. It never occurred to me how, or even if, those camps might be split along political lines and I'm not sure I'd care to dig into it in order to try and find out. My only point was that the non-baseball portion of the sports media in this country seems to treat the Rose question -- particularly the HoF part -- as if it's the most pressing issue facing baseball today. It's the one they most want to grill Manfred on when given a chance (sometimes to the exclusion of anything else). Those more within the game, on the other hand, have other topics to occupy their thoughts which push Pete's status further down the list of priorities.

MFS62 Dec 15 2015 04:29 AM Re: Pete Rose ban remains in place

Oh, I've detected on social media a growing fissure in the culture wars where Pete still has a supportive place in the heart of the Obama's ruining this country/stop coming for my guns/get your head out of the sand/I remember when we had a real president faction/factions. I think its both the image of the crew cut and the fact that he likes to attack people he outweighs by 50 pounds that gets them hard. Oh, and if any of them can read, point them in this direction:(I tried to cut and paste it, but too many graphics and ads made it difficult.) http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-l ... BHNlYwNzYw Later

Fman99 Dec 15 2015 01:03 PM Re: Pete Rose ban remains in place

Wow, those PR guys do a great job. Here is the original source material, before edits: Rob Manfred wrote: Fuck Pete Rose. He's a fucking dick. [stands up and mimics coitus motion] And fuck the Hall of Fame too. They're as much a shitshow as Pete. I see my moonlighting gig has finally been uncovered.

Frayed Knot Dec 15 2015 01:52 PM Re: Pete Rose ban remains in place

And just in case you were worried that supporting a continuing Rose ban might put you on the wrong side of the issue, Trump has come out in favor of Pete so you've got that going for you.

Edgy MD Dec 15 2015 02:35 PM Re: Pete Rose ban remains in place

Was I right or was I right? Pete Rose is now the shafted hardworking white guy who earned every penny he got, having now been shoved aside by thugs and freeloaders who want everything handed to them (or they'll just take it). I'm not saying what color these people are but look for yourself.

Centerfield Dec 15 2015 02:38 PM Re: Pete Rose ban remains in place

Frayed Knot wrote: Oh Pete certainly still has both supporters and detractors with entrenched opinions on either side. It never occurred to me how, or even if, those camps might be split along political lines and I'm not sure I'd care to dig into it in order to try and find out. My only point was that the non-baseball portion of the sports media in this country seems to treat the Rose question -- particularly the HoF part -- as if it's the most pressing issue facing baseball today. It's the one they most want to grill Manfred on when given a chance (sometimes to the exclusion of anything else). Those more within the game, on the other hand, have other topics to occupy their thoughts which push Pete's status further down the list of priorities. I never thought about it this way, but I think you are right. I suspect it's because 1. Everyone knows about Pete Rose. So they can be lazy. 2. It sounds like a more important "moral" issue 3. They don't know even know what qualifying offers are. Much less ask an intelligent question about them. And most of them have no idea that Pete voluntarily signed a lifetime ban in the beginning.

Centerfield Dec 15 2015 02:39 PM Re: Pete Rose ban remains in place

Edgy MD wrote: Was I right or was I right? Pete Rose is now the shafted hardworking white guy who earned every penny he got, having now been shoved aside by thugs and freeloaders who want everything handed to them (or they'll just take it). I'm not saying what color these people are but look for yourself. If we armed Pete and let him guard our country's borders, we'd all be much safer and richer.

metsmarathon Dec 15 2015 02:51 PM Re: Pete Rose ban remains in place

Edgy MD wrote: metsmarathon wrote: so, silly question. have they ever voted anybody into the hall based on their integrity, sportsmanship, or character? 100%? Of course not. I imagine it's made a difference (one way or the other) in a handful of otherwise borderline cases, though. I also imagine it's made a difference in the ultimate vote total of otherwise not-borderline cases, if that matters. well, that's basically my point though. setting aside the whole steroids question, has there really been a player who was not voted in for his playing record, first and foremost? the writers don't go talking about players in the waning stages of their careers as "fred's sportsmanship is off the charts. the way he congratulates opposing hitters when they hit home runs, he's paving his way to the hall of fame" or "there goes billy again, arguing with the ump that he really was out on that play. that kind of integrity is going to get him into the hall after he finally calls it a career" or "after every game, chet goes down to the children's hospital and spends his game check paying for cancer treatments of all the kids - he's been doing it every day of his career now; he's a hall of famer if I've ever seen one." no, it's all about the playing record, and to a lesser extent the wibbly wobbly contributions to his team thing. I guess that means winning instead of losing. unless the writers decide they really need something to make a fuss over. then, all of a sudden, oh, this guy didn't have enough character, even though his playing career makes him so much more than a borderline case. honestly, though, I don't give too much of a flying fuck about pete rose getting into the hall. the inconsistency of the application of the voting standards is what gets me. if character, sportsmanship, and integrity mattered a damn, ty cobb would be nowhere near that place, and Gaylord perry would be persona non grata. it's all about the playing career. the rest of that shit is just blah blah blah, lets talk nice about the guys we're enshrining - I'm sure they're just wonderful people. but it's all about the playing career. you know what's on the plaques under the relief images of the players enshrined in the hall? playing record. not a record of their sportsmanship. not a record of their integrity. not a record of their character. playing career. lets stop the farce. "pete rose. Charlie hustle, hit king, etc. he bet on baseball as a player and manager, and received a lifetime ban from baseball in 1989"

Fman99 Dec 15 2015 02:55 PM Re: Pete Rose ban remains in place

I'll stand by my statement of several years ago, because it's still valid. Pete Rose is a retard. That's why other retarded people have Pete Rose's haircut.

d'Kong76 Dec 15 2015 03:04 PM Re: Pete Rose ban remains in place

Where does Pete Rose stand on the Syrian refugee controversy?

Centerfield Dec 15 2015 03:06 PM Re: Pete Rose ban remains in place

He stands on them. Like literally on them. Boot on their head, pinning their face to the ground. Yelling "This is America dammit!"

d'Kong76 Dec 15 2015 03:09 PM Re: Pete Rose ban remains in place

I wish I could draw, that would be a funny cartoon.

Edgy MD Dec 15 2015 03:14 PM Re: Pete Rose ban remains in place

well, that's basically my point though. setting aside the whole steroids question, has there really been a player who was not voted in for his playing record, first and foremost? the writers don't go talking about players in the waning stages of their careers as "fred's sportsmanship is off the charts. the way he congratulates opposing hitters when they hit home runs, he's paving his way to the hall of fame" or "there goes billy again, arguing with the ump that he really was out on that play. that kind of integrity is going to get him into the hall after he finally calls it a career" or "after every game, chet goes down to the children's hospital and spends his game check paying for cancer treatments of all the kids - he's been doing it every day of his career now; he's a hall of famer if I've ever seen one." no, it's all about the playing record, and to a lesser extent the wibbly wobbly contributions to his team thing. I guess that means winning instead of losing. unless the writers decide they really need something to make a fuss over. then, all of a sudden, oh, this guy didn't have enough character, even though his playing career makes him so much more than a borderline case. honestly, though, I don't give too much of a flying fuck about pete rose getting into the hall. the inconsistency of the application of the voting standards is what gets me. if character, sportsmanship, and integrity mattered a damn, ty cobb would be nowhere near that place, and Gaylord perry would be persona non grata. it's all about the playing career. the rest of that shit is just blah blah blah, lets talk nice about the guys we're enshrining - I'm sure they're just wonderful people. but it's all about the playing career. you know what's on the plaques under the relief images of the players enshrined in the hall? playing record. not a record of their sportsmanship. not a record of their integrity. not a record of their character. playing career. lets stop the farce. "pete rose. Charlie hustle, hit king, etc. he bet on baseball as a player and manager, and received a lifetime ban from baseball in 1989" You acknowledge up front that these assessments have made a difference, but hen deny that further down. Character and sportsmanship aresn't supposed to be everything. They're supposed to be a factor. And they are. While it's explicitly listed as a qualifying factor (and always has been), there's nothing farcical about people honoring that. There are borderline cases that have been swung either way by assessments of a guy's character. As for Rose, it makes little sense to give a guy baseball's highest honor while he's banned. I'm rooting for Rose, as much as he doesn't deserve it. But induction the Baseball Hall of Fame, should it happen, shouldn't be the first step in his rehabilitation. It should be the last. And yes, there are plaques that mention players' character. [list][*]Gary Carter: "AN EXUBERANT ON-FIELD GENERAL WITH A SIGNATURE SMILE... . ... TIRELESS WORK ETHIC ... ." [/*:m] [*]Jackie Robinson: "DISPLAYED TREMENDOUS COURAGE AND POISE IN 1947 WHEN HE INTEGRATED THE MODERN MAJOR LEAGUES IN THE FACE OF INTENSE ADVERSITY." [/*:m] [*]Cal Ripken, Jr: "ARRIVED AT THE BALLPARK EVERY DAY WITH A BURNING DESIRE TO PERFORM AT HIS HIGHEST LEVEL. DEDICATION AND WORK ETHIC RESULTED IN... ."[/*:m][/list:u] And the moral degeneracy of Ty Cobb, as unpleasant a character as he might have been, is greatly overstated.

themetfairy Dec 15 2015 03:30 PM Re: Pete Rose ban remains in place

Centerfield wrote: He stands on them. Like literally on them. Boot on their head, pinning their face to the ground. Yelling "This is America dammit!" Thanks for the laugh :)

batmagadanleadoff Dec 15 2015 05:02 PM Re: Pete Rose ban remains in place

metsmarathon wrote: metsmarathon wrote: so, silly question. have they ever voted anybody into the hall based on their integrity, sportsmanship, or character? 100%? Of course not. I imagine it's made a difference (one way or the other) in a handful of otherwise borderline cases, though. I also imagine it's made a difference in the ultimate vote total of otherwise not-borderline cases, if that matters. well, that's basically my point though. setting aside the whole steroids question, has there really been a player who was not voted in for his playing record, first and foremost? Setting aside steroids, many, I would imagine. Bud Harrelson wasn't voted into the HOF because of his playing record. Dave Schneck, too. Probably. There are others.

metsmarathon Dec 15 2015 06:45 PM Re: Pete Rose ban remains in place

You acknowledge up front that these assessments have made a difference, but hen deny that further down. I miscommunicate my lack of acknowledgement, then persist in denying it. Character and sportsmanship aresn't supposed to be everything. They're supposed to be a factor. And they are. While it's explicitly listed as a qualifying factor (and always has been), there's nothing farcical about people honoring that. There are borderline cases that have been swung either way by assessments of a guy's character. what borderline case has it pushed a guy in on? it seems to be a door that swings only one way. As for Rose, it makes little sense to give a guy baseball's highest honor while he's banned. I'm rooting for Rose, as much as he doesn't deserve it. But induction the Baseball Hall of Fame, should it happen, shouldn't be the first step in his rehabilitation. It should be the last. it would highlight his career, and his performance on the field. And yes, there are plaques that mention players' character. [list][*]Gary Carter: "AN EXUBERANT ON-FIELD GENERAL WITH A SIGNATURE SMILE... . ... TIRELESS WORK ETHIC ... ." [/*:m] [*]Jackie Robinson: "DISPLAYED TREMENDOUS COURAGE AND POISE IN 1947 WHEN HE INTEGRATED THE MODERN MAJOR LEAGUES IN THE FACE OF INTENSE ADVERSITY." [/*:m] [*]Cal Ripken, Jr: "ARRIVED AT THE BALLPARK EVERY DAY WITH A BURNING DESIRE TO PERFORM AT HIS HIGHEST LEVEL. DEDICATION AND WORK ETHIC RESULTED IN... ."[/*:m][/list:u] And the moral degeneracy of Ty Cobb, as unpleasant a character as he might have been, is greatly overstated. well fine. I certainly could've researched that one a tad. but none of these guys were borderline. the closest is Jackie, I guess, but it's not like his playing career didn't or wouldn't've merited it by its lonesome.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 15 2015 06:48 PM Re: Pete Rose ban remains in place

metsmarathon wrote: what borderline case has it pushed a guy in on? it seems to be a door that swings only one way. Rick Ferrell, maybe?

Edgy MD Dec 15 2015 06:52 PM Re: Pete Rose ban remains in place

metsmarathon wrote: what borderline case has it pushed a guy in on? it seems to be a door that swings only one way. Three broadly admired guys that come to mind who made it in by the skin of their teeth: Gary Carter, Bill Mazeroski, and Red Schoendienst. I can't testify to the mind of every (or perhaps any) voter, but their (alleged) elevated integrity certainly was presented with their cases. I'm not sure why Gary Carter's case shouldn't be treated as borderline, as it took him six ballots. The Hall had been very stingy on catchers in the years after Bench's election. Ted Simmons, Darrell Porter, and Lance Parrish didn't sniff any support. Carlton Fisk finally broke the logjam in 2000. I also don't know why these things cited on their plaques shouldn't matter except in borderline cases. Your claim was that they don't appear at all. You're moving the goalposts on me.

Lefty Specialist Dec 15 2015 07:05 PM Re: Pete Rose ban remains in place

After seeing Pete Rose on Fox Sports this postseason, I want him banned from everything.

d'Kong76 Dec 15 2015 07:07 PM Re: Pete Rose ban remains in place

Can we all agree on one point? If Pete Rose wasn't such a dick, he'd probably be in the HOF. He can't help himself and has always been his own worst enemy. He'll probably go in posthumously, un- less of course he lives forever.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 15 2015 07:15 PM Re: Pete Rose ban remains in place

That posthumous thing isn't working out so well for Shoeless Joe Jackson so far. 64 years dead a little over a week ago.

d'Kong76 Dec 15 2015 07:21 PM Re: Pete Rose ban remains in place

True enough. [crossout:f5ddo7zf]Probably[/crossout:f5ddo7zf] -- may.

Edgy MD Dec 15 2015 07:31 PM Re: Pete Rose ban remains in place

well fine. I certainly could've researched that one a tad. but none of these guys were borderline. the closest is Jackie, I guess, but it's not like his playing career didn't or wouldn't've merited it by its lonesome. Jackie Robinson's ten most similar guys: [list=1][*]George Grantham (934)[/*:m] [*]Denny Lyons (885)[/*:m] [*]Freddie Lindstrom (873) *[/*:m] [*]Edgardo Alfonzo (873)[/*:m] [*]Jose Vidro (871)[/*:m] [*]Mike Greenwell (865)[/*:m] [*]Jeff Cirillo (863)[/*:m] [*]Irish Meusel (855)[/*:m] [*]Joe Randa (853)[/*:m] [*]Melvin Mora (853)[/*:m][/list:o] *Hall of Famer It's hard to say how much more of a career he might have had, of course, but even without, you know, baseball's ban on black players, college and football and World War II would likely have delayed the start of his career to some extent anyhow. Jackie Robinson, absent his crowning achievement of integrating baseball (character! sportsmanship!), is no automatic case.

Nymr83 Dec 15 2015 07:46 PM Re: Pete Rose ban remains in place

none of those "comps" are even all that close, because its hard to find another player who was good for ~10 years and didn't play longer. Don Mattingly springs to mind as a hitter and Kirby Puckett... Kirby might have gotten in partially on the "sympathy" card and Jackie on the "historic figure" card, and Mattingly isn't in at all.

Frayed Knot Dec 15 2015 08:42 PM Re: Pete Rose ban remains in place

Puckett's the guy I always think of as benefitting from good timing in his HoF vote character-wise. Kirby was well-liked during and just after his career by fans, by teammates, and by media types. But he was a borderline HoF case (in my mind he falls short) and had the rather sordid details of his life which became public not long before his early death -- mainly poor treatment of women maybe mixed with drug/alcohol use (can't quite remember) -- surfaced prior to his HoF vote I think they would have been enough to turn the vote the other way. Pure speculation on my part obviously but in borderline cases having your personal rep go from one extreme to the other can certainly make a difference.

Zvon Dec 15 2015 10:21 PM Re: Pete Rose ban remains in place

I was on the fence about Pete but I just read he lied to Manfred during their meeting about still betting on baseball. And it's not that I have a problem with him betting on baseball now that he's not active. It's his lying to the commissioner that has me come down on the ban side of the fence. Sorry Pete, that was a very stupid thing to do. Have you learned nothing? I'll reserve judgement about the Hall Of Fame situation. All's I know is that if Bonds, McGwire or Sosa ever get in, I see no reason why Rose doesn't. I'll bet he goes in posthumously first time it comes up.

metsmarathon Dec 16 2015 01:35 AM Re: Pete Rose ban remains in place

There's a huge difference between rose and bonds, et al. With ped users, you know that the actual competition on the field is legit. The talent may be fraudulent, but the outcome is legit. With Pete, you don't know if the game was won or lost legitimately, or if the outcome was doctored.

Nymr83 Dec 16 2015 02:12 AM Re: Pete Rose ban remains in place

I don't know why he is even still a topic for conversation.

d'Kong76 Dec 16 2015 03:02 AM Re: Pete Rose ban remains in place

It's his hair.

MFS62 Dec 16 2015 04:22 AM Re: Pete Rose ban remains in place

metsmarathon wrote: There's a huge difference between rose and bonds, et al. With ped users, you know that the actual competition on the field is legit. The talent may be fraudulent, but the outcome is legit. With Pete, you don't know if the game was won or lost legitimately, or if the outcome was doctored. That's a good way to explain the difference to people who don't see one between those two transgressions. Later

Vic Sage Dec 16 2015 03:30 PM Re: Pete Rose ban remains in place

Fuck Pete and the horse he rode in (and bet) on.

metsmarathon Dec 16 2015 04:03 PM Re: Pete Rose ban remains in place

Edgy MD wrote: what borderline case has it pushed a guy in on? it seems to be a door that swings only one way. Three broadly admired guys that come to mind who made it in by the skin of their teeth: Gary Carter, Bill Mazeroski, and Red Schoendienst. I can't testify to the mind of every (or perhaps any) voter, but their (alleged) elevated integrity certainly was presented with their cases. I'm not sure why Gary Carter's case shouldn't be treated as borderline, as it took him six ballots. The Hall had been very stingy on catchers in the years after Bench's election. Ted Simmons, Darrell Porter, and Lance Parrish didn't sniff any support. Carlton Fisk finally broke the logjam in 2000. I also don't know why these things cited on their plaques shouldn't matter except in borderline cases. Your claim was that they don't appear at all. You're moving the goalposts on me. well, fine. I guess I'm wrong. it just seems to me that when people start going about making hall of fame cases for players nowadays - and maybe I'm myself no noticing it or paying attention to it or seeing that it's a factor at all - he discussion revolves primarily if not exclusively on their performance on the field. that everything else is all icing on the cake, and a way to say something extra nice about a good player, to tell why we should care if a guy gets the nod. it does not feel to me that it is a factor in the decision, that it even moves the needle, except in the negative. and perhaps I'm wrong. I guess i'll have to look closer. though right now, it's a hell of a lot harder to do that, because, rose aside, the only character and integrity the voters care about it if they guess or surmise that a player used PEDs, and all else be damned. carter may well be a borderline case based on the fact that he was not a first-ballot guy, but he shouldn't have been, as his playing career clearly merited it. actually, it might be possible to take on a view, just for the sake of being argumentative, that if character and integrity and sportsmanship and contributing to a team really meant a damn, that carter should've sailed in easier, no? Jackie's comps are a difficult lot. however, one thing that's missing is that those guys are all 25-ish WAR guys, whereas Jackie was a 61 WAR guy, per bbref. and of that, it's predominantly offensive value. now, I'm not suggesting that he was voted in because of his WAR, but that, in hindsight, if robinson was not voted in for his on-the-field accomplishments, he should have been, and would have been deserving, and should not have been a borderline candidate. sorry for moving the goalposts. I just like seeing the players crash into them. hooray, chaos!

Ceetar Dec 16 2015 06:42 PM Re: Pete Rose ban remains in place

Part of that has to be that 'character' roughly meant a writer's personal opinion about a guy and so much of the Hall talk nowadays happens outside of those subset of writers. Most of which don't interact with the players on a daily basis.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 17 2015 01:01 AM Re: Pete Rose ban remains in place

I hate fake, harumphy moralizing from a guy/league office now pretty heavily invested in DraftFantasyRegents or whatever AND I have no affinity for Pete Rose (even his achievements, such as they are leave me cold; like, say, Jeter's exploits, I acknowledge that they're HOF-worthy, even as they never, ever thrilled me). So, yeah, fIle under, "I STILL Don't Give A Sweaty, Hairy, Hard-Sliding Poo."

d'Kong76 Dec 28 2015 06:34 PM Re: Pete Rose ban remains in place

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Edgy MD Jan 19 2016 05:27 PM Re: Pete Rose ban remains in place

Reds have announced that Pete Rose will be inducted into their team Hall of Fame. They've long operated under the premised that him being on the ineligible list should make him ineligible for their Hall, but they've clearly changed their minds, likely with the realization that his banishment has a good chance of outliving him. His number hasn't be officially retired by the team, but has been removed from circulation, with the exception of a brief assignment to Pete Rose, Jr., so that will probably be part of his induction as well.

d'Kong76 Jan 19 2016 06:49 PM Re: Pete Rose ban remains in place

Number to be retired as well... http://www.sportingnews.com/mlb-news/46 ... red-number

Benjamin Grimm Jan 19 2016 06:53 PM Re: Pete Rose ban remains in place

While they're at it, they should retire The Sporting News.

d'Kong76 Jan 19 2016 06:57 PM Re: Pete Rose ban remains in place

I don't frequent TSN, it was just the first google result.

MFS62 Jan 20 2016 02:49 PM Re: Pete Rose ban remains in place

The Sporting News still covers baseball? Surprising. Later