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Transaction Poll: Walker for Niese

I hate this deal.

0 votes

I dislike this deal.

2 votes

I am indifferent toward this deal.

2 votes

I like this deal.

20 votes

I love this deal.

6 votes

Edgy MD Dec 22 2015 11:13 PM

We haven't taken the official temperature on deals this offseason. We ought. [fimg=350:zi3dga14]http://isportsweb.com/wp-content/uploads//2015/02/neil-walker.jpg[/fimg:zi3dga14] [fimg=350:zi3dga14]https://metsmlb.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/jon-niese-1-slice3.jpg[/fimg:zi3dga14]

TransMonk Dec 22 2015 11:47 PM Re: Transaction Poll: Walker for Niese

Love. Niese was expendable and Walker is a short term solution that can play well. He's better than Murph on D and I like having switch hitters. I much prefer this move to the deal Chicago gave Zobrist.

d'Kong76 Dec 23 2015 01:35 AM Re: Transaction Poll: Walker for Niese

Like; Eh wasn't a choice.

Fman99 Dec 23 2015 01:46 AM Re: Transaction Poll: Walker for Niese

I like it. Murph was never coming back -- and Niese had no role on the 2016 roster, assuming that they wanted to bring Bart back before making the deal.

Centerfield Dec 23 2015 03:30 AM Re: Transaction Poll: Walker for Niese

I like this deal a lot. I won't go as far as to say "love" because Walker is not a star player, but everything else is great. The one year commitment, the net effect on salary. Niese was a good pitcher, and the rotation is thinner now, but this trade fits perfectly. Walker can play 2nd. He can fill in at 3rd. He hits left-handed, so he can even platoon with Herrera. And if he's good you can bring him back. If not, get a draft pick and clear the way for Herrera. Much better option than Zobrist. Should have been option 1 from the beginning.

Lefty Specialist Dec 23 2015 02:01 PM Re: Transaction Poll: Walker for Niese

It was a better move than Zobrist for 4 years. Cleared the path for Big Sexy to come back. Gives Dilson Herrera a year to watch and learn. And Walker's a solid player who'll be playing for a big contract. A good move.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 23 2015 02:09 PM Re: Transaction Poll: Walker for Niese

I would like to hear from the Nay-sayers.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 23 2015 03:35 PM Re: Transaction Poll: Walker for Niese

Like; Eh wasn't a choice. I think that this is the "Eh" choice: I am indifferent toward this deal.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 23 2015 03:38 PM Re: Transaction Poll: Walker for Niese

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: I would like to hear from the Nay-sayers. I voted Like, but here are some reasons that I think might cause someone to vote thumbs down: * The Mets are depleting their pitching depth. * It blocks Dilson Herrera. * Three years of Niese were swapped for only one year of Walker. * It means Daniel Murphy won't be coming back.

TransMonk Dec 23 2015 03:59 PM Re: Transaction Poll: Walker for Niese

The Mets still have some pitching depth with Verrett, Montero and Wheeler set to return mid-season. If the Mets had a piece to deal, the obvious one was Niese. The move only blocks Herrera for one season. If he's good enough, he'll make the club later in the year anyway. This move doesn't rely on Herrera producing as an everyday player right away. I'm of the opinion that Niese was going to be dealt sooner or later. I didn't see a way that he was going to finish out his contract with the Mets. Murph wasn't coming back anyway.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 23 2015 03:59 PM Re: Transaction Poll: Walker for Niese

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: I would like to hear from the Nay-sayers. I voted "like" too but I'm sorta from Missouri on Walker overall. I like it inasmuch as its relatively easy to move on from if it doesn't work out, but hard to imagine Walker is anything more than the Jon Niese of second base.

Ceetar Dec 23 2015 04:16 PM Re: Transaction Poll: Walker for Niese

I honestly think this wasn't a great return, hell look at what Leake just got from the Cardinals. I know Niese seems to have been trending downward velocity-wise and might be a concern, but our pitching is pretty righty-heavy too and it might've been nice to keep the lefty. But I like Walker enough and he feels a nice need of depth and talent and probably will end up adding more to the Mets specifically than Niese would've. So tepid 'yay'?

Centerfield Dec 23 2015 05:04 PM Re: Transaction Poll: Walker for Niese

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: I would like to hear from the Nay-sayers. I voted "like" too but I'm sorta from Missouri on Walker overall. I like it inasmuch as its relatively easy to move on from if it doesn't work out, but hard to imagine Walker is anything more than the Jon Niese of second base. And if they move on, they get a draft pick!

Gwreck Dec 23 2015 07:38 PM Re: Transaction Poll: Walker for Niese

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: I would like to hear from the Nay-sayers. I voted "dislike." 1. I wanted Niese to be the fifth starter this year, not Colon. Niese is substantially younger, and brings more left-right balance to the rotation. 2. Nobody knows if Zack Wheeler is going to step right into the rotation and be a great pitcher after Tommy John surgery. Plus, I'm sure there will be a need to limit innings at least for Matz and Syndergaard. Niese has value for the entire 2016 season. 3. Niese has a team-friendly contract not just for 2016 but also for 2017 and 2018. He would have been just as tradeable after 2016, and after the Mets had a better idea of what they are going to get from Wheeler. 4. I wanted the Mets to acquire players this offseason without having to give up valuable assets. Neil Walker would have been a fine acquisition after the 2016 season when all he would have cost would have been money. Instead, he's cost 3 seasons of control of Jonathan Niese at a reasonable price. 5. I generally disapprove of the moves the Mets have made this offseason. The failure to adequately upgrade the offense is inexcusable, in my opinion. I suppose one could suggest that in a vacuum, the Walker trade is fine. As part of the larger plan, not so much.

Edgy MD Dec 23 2015 07:51 PM Re: Transaction Poll: Walker for Niese

I voted dislike. I dislike trades and I generally want to see a team succeed without resorting them. Choosing "dislike" instead of hate generally means I think this has a more-or-less good chance to break well, as trades go. I'd go up to neutral if I think the guy we dealt was a real turd.

Centerfield Dec 23 2015 07:56 PM Re: Transaction Poll: Walker for Niese

Gwreck wrote: LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: I would like to hear from the Nay-sayers. I voted "dislike." 1. I wanted Niese to be the fifth starter this year, not Colon. Niese is substantially younger, and brings more left-right balance to the rotation. 2. Nobody knows if Zack Wheeler is going to step right into the rotation and be a great pitcher after Tommy John surgery. Plus, I'm sure there will be a need to limit innings at least for Matz and Syndergaard. Niese has value for the entire 2016 season. 3. Niese has a team-friendly contract not just for 2016 but also for 2017 and 2018. He would have been just as tradeable after 2016, and after the Mets had a better idea of what they are going to get from Wheeler. 4. I wanted the Mets to acquire players this offseason without having to give up valuable assets. Neil Walker would have been a fine acquisition after the 2016 season when all he would have cost would have been money. Instead, he's cost 3 seasons of control of Jonathan Niese at a reasonable price. 5. I generally disapprove of the moves the Mets have made this offseason. The failure to adequately upgrade the offense is inexcusable, in my opinion. I suppose one could suggest that in a vacuum, the Walker trade is fine. As part of the larger plan, not so much. All fair points.

Edgy MD Dec 23 2015 08:11 PM Re: Transaction Poll: Walker for Niese

We don't even know if Wheeler is going to be a good pitcher. Great would be... great. But it's not like he had even reached that level before the injury. So yeah. But with the caveat of you can never have enough pitching (with the possible exception of the 2015 Mets), there's still some redundancy to be hopeful about in there.

Nymr83 Dec 23 2015 10:03 PM Re: Transaction Poll: Walker for Niese

I really can't make up my mind on this one. i think it improves the team but increases the risk of disaster if Syndergaard gets hurt or Scott Boras decides Harvey can't pitch through a hang nail or the common cold. Gwreck makes good points that helped move me to "indifferent" from being a slight "like" what else was available at 2B? we'll see what Murphy gets paid and that will help inform if we got robbed here or not.

TransMonk Dec 23 2015 10:19 PM Re: Transaction Poll: Walker for Niese

Edgy MD wrote: We don't even know if Wheeler is going to be a good pitcher. Great would be... great. But it's not like he had even reached that level before the injury. So yeah. I'm of the opinion that if Wheeler can be as good as he was pre-inury, that's good enough considering what the rest of the rotation should be. I know that's not a given, but until he's out there, I prefer not to expect worse.

G-Fafif Dec 24 2015 06:40 AM Re: Transaction Poll: Walker for Niese

"Walker for Niese" jumped out at me as a worst-case scenario following one of the pitcher's many trips to the DL.

TheOldMole Dec 25 2015 10:02 AM Re: Transaction Poll: Walker for Niese

I'd pretty much echo Mr. Grimm.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 07 2016 09:57 PM Re: Transaction Poll: Walker for Niese

Amazin' detail of this trade: Walker took over the lease for Niese's apartment.

Edgy MD Apr 07 2016 10:15 PM Re: Transaction Poll: Walker for Niese

Cards got to Niese for four runs over five innings his first time out as a Pirate. Bucs came back and won it in 11.

TransMonk Apr 08 2016 01:38 PM Re: Transaction Poll: Walker for Niese

Only four runs were earned for Jon. I wonder how he feels about that superior Pittsburgh defense. St. Louis - Top of 3rd Jonathon Niese pitching for Pittsburgh Díaz singled to right. Wacha sacrificed to catcher, Díaz to second. Carpenter walked. Piscotty singled to left, Díaz to third, Carpenter to second, Díaz scored, Carpenter to third, Piscotty to second on error by left fielder Marte. Holliday grounded out to second, Carpenter scored, Piscotty to third. Grichuk struck out swinging. St. Louis - Top of 5th Jonathon Niese pitching for Pittsburgh Carpenter struck out swinging. Piscotty tripled to deep right center. Holliday safe at second on throwing error by shortstop Mercer, Piscotty scored. Grichuk struck out swinging. Molina struck out swinging.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 08 2016 01:44 PM Re: Transaction Poll: Walker for Niese

I updated Niese's woes in the Castaways thread. Meantime, Niese isn't moving into Neil Walker's Pittsburgh digs but he did take one thing from him.

metirish Apr 08 2016 01:53 PM Re: Transaction Poll: Walker for Niese

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Amazin' detail of this trade: Walker took over the lease for Niese's apartment. that is kind of weird , but maybe not. I wonder how often things like this happen.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 08 2016 02:19 PM Re: Transaction Poll: Walker for Niese

I think the Mets have a guy who arrange these details, not to mention player agents do this kinda shit for them alot. I wonder if the Niese/Walker residence is a Fred Inc. building.

Edgy MD Apr 08 2016 02:35 PM Re: Transaction Poll: Walker for Niese

I'm just amazed looking at the poll results and seeing the overwhelmingly positive response on this trade.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 08 2016 02:59 PM Re: Transaction Poll: Walker for Niese

I mean, it's no BIG surprise, is it? There were, and are, a lot-- a lot-- of positives to the trade, even before you consider more carefully the specific on-field-abilities of the players involved. Need for need, dealing from a position of strength to fill a pressing need, buying apparently low, the expiring deal/how it fits our roster... plus, most anyone here who had feelings for Niese had feelings of the past-fondness variety, right?

TransMonk Apr 08 2016 03:01 PM Re: Transaction Poll: Walker for Niese

I voted love then and I'm still a love now. Walker is a more cost effective and shorter term commitment than a Murphy re-sign would have been without sacrificing much in the way of overall production over Daniel. Niese would not have been one of the top four pitchers on the 2016 staff and his salary can be used elsewhere.

Edgy MD Apr 08 2016 03:15 PM Re: Transaction Poll: Walker for Niese

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: I mean, it's no BIG surprise, is it? There were, and are, a lot-- a lot-- of positives to the trade, even before you consider more carefully the specific on-field-abilities of the players involved. Need for need, dealing from a position of strength to fill a pressing need, buying apparently low, the expiring deal/how it fits our roster... plus, most anyone here who had feelings for Niese had feelings of the past-fondness variety, right? There's a lot to like, but it's two years for one. On the other hand, it's the tenuousness of pitching for the relatively reliability of an everyday player. And in 2016, a guy who can hit a little bit is suddenly a dearer commodity than a starting pitcher.

batmagadanleadoff Apr 08 2016 03:17 PM Re: Transaction Poll: Walker for Niese Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 08 2016 03:18 PM

The Mets save a lot of money (well, I suppose it's a lot of money to these Mets, but not a heckuvva lotta money to a real big market team that operates like a big market team instead of a big market team that's a big market team in name only) because Niese was their highest paid pitcher and he was expendable, and they save on the free agent money they wouldda hadda pay Murph to keep him. Of course, like with everything else, we won't know how good this deal was until the season's over --- but I'd guess that it'll work out for the Mets because Walker should match whatever production the Mets got from Murph and could reasonably expect to get from Murph. But if it turns out that Murph really did transform himself into someone that could now all of a sudden bang out 25+ HR's regularly and reliably, like some were implying or suggesting during Murph's heroic playoff run, well then we'll hafta see about that.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 08 2016 03:17 PM Re: Transaction Poll: Walker for Niese

I think the Muff-Walker swap could well be an offensive net loss for us but makes more sense from an organizational resources standpoint, and upgrading the glove sure won't hurt. I also think it has the potential to become even more economically efficient if/when we reach midseason. If Dilson is knocking on the door, Walker could go in a trade -- perhaps, for a Niese-ish pitcher should the need for more starting dept arise.

Edgy MD Apr 08 2016 03:21 PM Re: Transaction Poll: Walker for Niese

Scoring on a scale 0 points for "HATE," and 4 points for "LOVE," this high-participation poll resulted in a solid and impressive 3.0 average rating.

batmagadanleadoff Apr 08 2016 03:26 PM Re: Transaction Poll: Walker for Niese

batmagadanleadoff wrote: The Mets save a lot of money (well, I suppose it's a lot of money to these Mets, but not a heckuvva lotta money to a real big market team that operates like a big market team instead of a big market team that's a big market team in name only) because Niese was their highest paid pitcher and he was expendable, and they save on the free agent money they wouldda hadda pay Murph to keep him.... Who knows? It might even be the case that the $20M-$30M the Mets saved by trading Niese and letting Murph walk is what allowed the Mets to sign Cespedes for 2016.

d'Kong76 Apr 26 2016 02:36 AM Re: Transaction Poll: Walker for Niese

Everyone who had Walker leading the team in HR's approaching double-digits with a week to go in April please raise your hand.

Rockin' Doc Apr 26 2016 02:40 AM Re: Transaction Poll: Walker for Niese

The season is still yound, but so far, this deal has worked out quite well for the Mets. I liked it at the time and I like it even more now.

MFS62 Apr 26 2016 03:50 AM Re: Transaction Poll: Walker for Niese

My like is turning to love. Not enough to be picking out curtains yet. But getting there. Later

Centerfield Apr 26 2016 01:01 PM Re: Transaction Poll: Walker for Niese

Hey, you know who hasn't hit 8 HR's? And is not batting .400? Ben Zobrist. That's who. His numbers? .250 with 1 HR. It's not quite George Costanza, but I'm thinking going forward Sandy should compile his list of targets, rank them, then skip right to #2.

Frayed Knot Apr 28 2016 04:37 PM Re: Transaction Poll: Walker for Niese

Niese was handed a 7-0 lead last night but immediately gave 4 of those runs back and only lasted thru 5, eventually getting a ND in a game the Pirates won in the 12th. Now granted it was in Colorado, but it seems like that's a movie we sat through a couple of times already. He's still 3-0 this season but with an ERA just north of 5.00, nearly 1.5 baserunners per inning, and a league leading 7 HRs/allowed.

batmagadanleadoff Apr 28 2016 04:46 PM Re: Transaction Poll: Walker for Niese

Frayed Knot wrote: Niese ... and a league leading 7 HRs/allowed. There'd be some real sweet Niese-Walker symmetry going on if Niese gave up two more HR's.

Lefty Specialist Apr 28 2016 04:59 PM Re: Transaction Poll: Walker for Niese

I just want him to hit 2 home runs OFF Niese.

Centerfield Apr 28 2016 05:51 PM Re: Transaction Poll: Walker for Niese

Frayed Knot wrote: Niese was handed a 7-0 lead last night but immediately gave 4 of those runs back and only lasted thru 5, evntually getting a ND in a game the Pirates won in the 12th. Obviously the defense is to blame.

Frayed Knot Apr 28 2016 06:44 PM Re: Transaction Poll: Walker for Niese

Yeah, the outfielders weren't playing high enough. [2 HRs, 1 3B, 2 2Bs -- most of it in one inning]