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Mets Cooperstown Trivia (not a quiz)

Benjamin Grimm Jan 07 2016 09:13 PM

There have been 23 (out of 54) Mets seasons in which the Mets went the entire season without having had a Hall of Famer play in at least one game. Mike Piazza's induction this summer will only reduce that number by two, even though he played in eight seasons with the Mets. Here's the list. I noticed that each of the Mets post-season teams (except of course for 2015) has had at least one Hall-of-Famer. Will the 2015 team maintain the trend? It may not. I don't think any of the team's veterans are likely to go in, and it's way too early to project any of the younger players. (Thirty years ago, many would have assumed that Gooden and Strawberry would be in the Hall some day.) 1962 Ashburn 1963 Snider 1964 1965 Berra, Spahn 1966 Ryan 1967 Seaver 1968 Ryan, Seaver 1969 Ryan, Seaver 1970 Ryan, Seaver 1971 Ryan, Seaver 1972 Mays, Seaver 1973 Mays, Seaver 1974 Seaver 1975 Seaver, Torre 1976 Seaver, Torre 1977 Seaver, Torre 1978 1979 1980 1981 1982 1983 Seaver 1984 1985 Carter 1986 Carter 1987 Carter 1988 Carter 1989 Carter 1990 1991 1992 Murray 1993 Murray 1994 1995 1996 1997 1998 Piazza 1999 Henderson, Piazza 2000 Henderson, Piazza 2001 Piazza 2002 Alomar, Piazza 2003 Alomar, Glavine, Piazza 2004 Glavine, Piazza 2005 Glavine, Piazza 2006 Glavine 2007 Glavine 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015

Ceetar Jan 07 2016 09:24 PM Re: Mets Cooperstown Trivia (not a quiz)

Let's not sleep on David Wright now. [url]http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/jaws_3B.shtml Provided he's not just done, I figure one more HoF caliber season would put him at heavily favored, but even just being healthy enough to be 'good' for the next 5 years of this contract could get him there. Perhaps Beltran can cover 4 more years there too.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 07 2016 09:33 PM Re: Mets Cooperstown Trivia (not a quiz)

I think David does have a chance, but my hunch is that he won't make it. He'll probably fall well short of 3,000 hits and 400 homers. But he'll probably get some good-guy votes, and he does have a lot of All-Star appearances. And hopefully a few more trips to the World Series...

Benjamin Grimm Jan 07 2016 09:35 PM Re: Mets Cooperstown Trivia (not a quiz)

Benjamin Grimm wrote: There have been 23 (out of 54) Mets seasons in which the Mets went the entire season without having had a Hall of Famer play in at least one game. Mike Piazza's induction this summer will only reduce that number by two, even though he played in eight seasons with the Mets. Here's the list. I noticed that each of the Mets post-season teams (except of course for 2015) has had at least one Hall-of-Famer. Will the 2015 team maintain the trend? It may not. I don't think any of the team's veterans are likely to go in, and it's way too early to project any of the younger players. (Thirty years ago, many would have assumed that Gooden and Strawberry would be in the Hall some day.) 1962 Ashburn 1963 Snider 1964 1965 Berra, Spahn 1966 Ryan 1967 Seaver 1968 Ryan, Seaver 1969 Ryan, Seaver 1970 Ryan, Seaver 1971 Ryan, Seaver 1972 Mays, Seaver 1973 Mays, Seaver 1974 Seaver 1975 Seaver, Torre 1976 Seaver, Torre 1977 Seaver, Torre 1978 1979 1980 1981 1982 1983 Seaver 1984 1985 Carter 1986 Carter 1987 Carter 1988 Carter 1989 Carter 1990 1991 1992 Murray 1993 Murray 1994 1995 1996 1997 1998 Piazza 1999 Henderson, Piazza 2000 Henderson, Piazza 2001 Piazza 2002 Alomar, Piazza 2003 Alomar, Glavine, Piazza 2004 Glavine, Piazza 2005 Glavine, Martinez, Piazza 2006 Glavine, Martinez 2007 Glavine, Martinez 2008 Martinez 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 Oops! I forgot Pedro Martinez! So 2008 is covered, leaving us only 20 seasons without a Hall of Famer. Sorry Pedro!

sharpie Jan 07 2016 09:39 PM Re: Mets Cooperstown Trivia (not a quiz)

Pedro Martinez gives us 2008 (on edit: too slow). Also, Gary Sheffield and Billy Wagner are still hanging around on the ballot so a surge for them is possible. Either one gives us 2009.

Gwreck Jan 07 2016 09:44 PM Re: Mets Cooperstown Trivia (not a quiz)

David Wright currently falls at 22nd all time on the JAWS list for third basemen. http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/jaws_3B.shtml He's going to need to start producing some outstanding years soon in order to really move up that list. Simply remaining a good player (say, averaging 3.0 WAR a season) for the next 5 years isn't going to do it.

sharpie Jan 07 2016 09:53 PM Re: Mets Cooperstown Trivia (not a quiz)

A surge for Jeff Kent would bring us 94, 95 and 96.

seawolf17 Jan 07 2016 09:54 PM Re: Mets Cooperstown Trivia (not a quiz)

I love David, but he's 33 and hasn't played a full season since 2012. He'd have to go on a TEAR the next few seasons to get any real consideration. He'll get votes, but nowhere near enough. Our best shot off this recent run is one of the pitchers, probably.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 07 2016 11:16 PM Re: Mets Cooperstown Trivia (not a quiz)

Ceetar wrote: Let's not sleep on David Wright now. [url]http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/jaws_3B.shtml Provided he's not just done, I figure one more HoF caliber season would put him at heavily favored, but even just being healthy enough to be 'good' for the next 5 years of this contract could get him there. If David Wright makes the Hall of Fame, I'll print this post out and eat it through my nose.

Ceetar Jan 08 2016 03:10 PM Re: Mets Cooperstown Trivia (not a quiz)

Gwreck wrote: David Wright currently falls at 22nd all time on the JAWS list for third basemen. http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/jaws_3B.shtml He's going to need to start producing some outstanding years soon in order to really move up that list. Simply remaining a good player (say, averaging 3.0 WAR a season) for the next 5 years isn't going to do it. Like a said, one more HoF season seems a necessity. Say he had a 6 WAR season this year, he'd move up to 18th. 10-11 WAR over the next 4 seasons, which isn't much, would get him right around that AVG line. Factor in his character and hopefully some postseason success and a ring? I mean, maybe he's done. Maybe this spinal thing will just destroy him. 140 PA isn't much, but that's what he played after the injury and he was good. Not good enough, perhaps, but if he's on the field I have faith in him being good.

Nymr83 Jan 08 2016 04:50 PM Re: Mets Cooperstown Trivia (not a quiz)

If David Wright plays 3 more years at the level he's played so far he'll still probably fall a bit short i think. and hes hurtand in the post-steroid era declines are likely to come sooner. The best case scenario for his career at this point is probably to end up roughly equal to Scott Rolen (with slightly better offense and worse defense) Beltran is probably the Mets best shot at adding more years to the list, unless any of the current pitchers enjoy HOF careers, No Chance: 1964, 1979 - 1982, Best Shots: 1984 - a whole lot of close misses here: maybe the veterans committee someday helps out Strawberry or Keith Hernandez gets in as a broadcaster? :) 1990- Strawberry? David Cone? 1991 - Cone? 2009 - Beltran? Sheffield? Wright? 2010 - Beltran? Wright? 2011 - Beltran? Wright? 2012 - Wright? 2013 - Wright? 2014 - Wright? 2015 - Wright?

Benjamin Grimm Jan 08 2016 04:53 PM Re: Mets Cooperstown Trivia (not a quiz)

Nymr83 wrote: No Chance: 1979 - 1982, Are we really ready to give up on Pete Falcone?

Ceetar Jan 08 2016 04:56 PM Re: Mets Cooperstown Trivia (not a quiz)

I think Scott Rolen is a Hall of Famer too, fwiw.

Nymr83 Jan 08 2016 05:09 PM Re: Mets Cooperstown Trivia (not a quiz)

Benjamin Grimm wrote: No Chance: 1979 - 1982, Are we really ready to give up on Pete Falcone? Valentine as a manager gets you 1 year in there!

Nymr83 Jan 08 2016 05:12 PM Re: Mets Cooperstown Trivia (not a quiz)

Ceetar wrote: I think Scott Rolen is a Hall of Famer too, fwiw. he might be deserving, but i think he gets the "Jim Edmonds treatment" from the writers who have too many other guys to consider

Benjamin Grimm Jan 08 2016 05:19 PM Re: Mets Cooperstown Trivia (not a quiz)

And then there's Johan Santana, who's definitely a coulda-been but seems likely to fall short. He at least does well in "Black Ink" according to Baseball Reference: Baseball Reference wrote: Black Ink Pitching - 42 (37), Average HOFer ≈ 40 Gray Ink Pitching - 122 (157), Average HOFer ≈ 185 Hall of Fame Monitor Pitching - 82 (139), Likely HOFer ≈ 100 Hall of Fame Standards Pitching - 35 (99), Average HOFer ≈ 50 JAWS Starting Pitcher (81st), 51.4 career WAR/44.8 7yr-peak WAR/48.1 JAWS Average HOF P (out of 62) = 73.9 career WAR/50.3 7yr-peak WAR/62.1 JAWS

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 08 2016 06:06 PM Re: Mets Cooperstown Trivia (not a quiz)

Nymr83 wrote: Ceetar wrote: I think Scott Rolen is a Hall of Famer too, fwiw. he might be deserving, but i think he gets the "Jim Edmonds treatment" from the writers who have too many other guys to consider Probably. It's sad how few 3Bs there are in there.

sharpie Jan 08 2016 06:12 PM Re: Mets Cooperstown Trivia (not a quiz)

I think Jeff Kent with his "most home runs by a second baseman" stat along with an MVP stands a much better chance than David Wright.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 08 2016 10:30 PM Re: Mets Cooperstown Trivia (not a quiz)

At present. There's always magic pills! Also, I think Beltran has a VERY good shot at this, considering that he likely has a couple more compiling years ahead, and especially considering that the next few rounds of voter pruning/new voter addition will likely produce a muy El-friendly electorate.

TheOldMole Jan 12 2016 04:32 AM Re: Mets Cooperstown Trivia (not a quiz)

I really hate Jeff Kent and do not want to see him in the Hall.

seawolf17 Jan 12 2016 02:56 PM Re: Mets Cooperstown Trivia (not a quiz)

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: At present. There's always magic pills! Also, I think Beltran has a VERY good shot at this, considering that he likely has a couple more compiling years ahead, and especially considering that the next few rounds of voter pruning/new voter addition will likely produce a muy El-friendly electorate. I don't know why I didn't think of Beltran. He's a long shot based on the BBR numbers, but he'll definitely get support. And if he made it, he'd probably go in as a Met, too.

Edgy MD Jan 12 2016 03:20 PM Re: Mets Cooperstown Trivia (not a quiz)

Only 1964 Met I see who got any support at all was Roy McMillan: 1972: 2.3% 1973: 1.3% 1974: 1.1% I guess the rule about needing 5% to stay on the ballot wasn't in place yet.