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batmagadanleadoff Jan 25 2016 03:17 PM

What's the deal with this photograph? It's of Jim Gosger. He's wearing #18. That means that the picture's from 1969. But here's the thing: The Mets didn't wear their skyline logo patch during the '69 regular season. At home, they wore the NL centennial patch on the left sleeve, and no patch on the right sleeve. For the post-season, the Mets home unis had the skyline logo patch on the left, as shown in the photo, and the NL centennial patch on the right side. But Gosger wasn't on the post-season roster. So what's the deal?

batmagadanleadoff Jan 25 2016 03:29 PM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

What's the deal with this photograph? It's of Jim Gosger. He's wearing #18. That means that the picture's from 1969. But here's the thing: The Mets didn't wear their skyline logo patch during the '69 regular season. At home, they wore the NL centennial patch on the left sleeve, and no patch on the right sleeve. For the post-season, the Mets home unis had the skyline logo patch on the left, as shown in the photo, and the NL centennial patch on the right side. But Gosger wasn't on the post-season roster. So what's the deal? And that doesn't look like a post-season crowd anyways -- too many kids in too many choice seats. Possibilities: The Mets wore the skyline patch during the '69 regular season for some games. (Not likely, yet it's the most plausible explanation) That's Dave Marshall instead of Jim Gosger. (less likely)

Benjamin Grimm Jan 25 2016 03:52 PM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

Is that Shea Stadium? Or could it be a spring training game?

batmagadanleadoff Jan 25 2016 03:56 PM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Is that Shea Stadium? Or could it be a spring training game? That's definitely Shea Stadium. Besides, the Mets didn't acquire Gosger until July of '69.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 25 2016 04:04 PM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

Could it be from 73? Who's the guy in the dugout?

batmagadanleadoff Jan 25 2016 04:09 PM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Could it be from 73? Who's the guy in the dugout? Can't be '73 because that's Agee in the dugout, even though he looks more like Ike Hampton.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 25 2016 04:17 PM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

batmagadanleadoff wrote: John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Could it be from 73? Who's the guy in the dugout? Can't be '73 because that's Agee in the dugout, even though he looks more like Ike Hampton. Does Gosger's uniform look more like flannels or more like polyester double-knits? If it's double-knit, then that picture ain't from '69. That's a possibility. This would mean that you'd have to update the uniform history. Maybe that would explain why George Theodore switched from 18 to 9 mid-season '73. Maybe Gosger wanted his old 18 back. But then who's the guy in the dugout? If it's a '73 photo, the guy can't be Agee and Hampton didn't debut until '74. Hampton was a September call-up, and by then Benny Ayala had 18. So the pieces don't fit. Unless that guy in the dugout is somebody other than Agee or Hampton.

themetfairy Jan 25 2016 04:27 PM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

Could he have participated in an Oldtimer's Day game?

batmagadanleadoff Jan 25 2016 04:28 PM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

Could Ike Hampton have been a phantom 1973 Met?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 25 2016 04:28 PM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

batmagadanleadoff wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Could it be from 73? Who's the guy in the dugout? Can't be '73 because that's Agee in the dugout, even though he looks more like Ike Hampton. Does Gosger's uniform look more like flannels or more like polyester double-knits? If it's double-knit, then that picture ain't from '69. That's a possibility. This would mean that you'd have to update the uniform history. Maybe that would explain why George Theodore switched from 18 to 9 mid-season '73. Maybe Gosger wanted his old 18 back. But then who's the guy in the dugout? If it's a '73 photo, the guy can't be Agee and Hampton didn't debut until '74. Hampton was a September call-up, and by then Benny Ayala had 18. So the pieces don't fit. Unless that guy in the dugout is somebody other than Agee or Hampton. I think you're onto something. I've been so bamboozled as to the date Theodore switched numbers I went and asked him personally although he didn;t know (he couldn't even remember when he switched, which would suggest the switch wasn't his decision). The guy in the dugout looks dark skinned, but it could be Jerry May, who was on the roster and assigned #20 in June of 73. Gosger's sideburns also more 73 than 69 I would say. This is 73 and Gosger was 18.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 25 2016 04:31 PM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

Does a wider crop tell you anything?:

batmagadanleadoff Jan 25 2016 04:32 PM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

That's really on the dark side for Jerry May. The guy looks like he's wearing glasses, just like Ike Hampton, who was also a #20. I think that the Ike Hampton as a '73 phantom Met might be a possibility.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 25 2016 04:35 PM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Does a wider crop tell you anything?: [fimg=777]https://goldinauctions.com/ItemImages/000005/5537e1_lg.jpeg[/fimg] That picture's sharper. I embiggened it to look for more clues. [fimg=333]https://pccdn.perfectchannel.com/christies/live/images/item/VintageFilmPosters25099/5812424/original/CSK_10275_0069.jpg[/fimg]

batmagadanleadoff Jan 25 2016 04:37 PM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

Could that be Milner in #28? If so, that would eliminate '69.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 25 2016 04:38 PM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

Milner looked leaner and darker than that guy.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 25 2016 04:40 PM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

Jerry May wore his undershirt sleeves the same length as the Mystery Dugout Man. Same short torso too

Centerfield Jan 25 2016 04:41 PM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

The guy in the pinkish shirt in the second row is sportin' the burns too. Looks like .73.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 25 2016 04:43 PM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Jerry May wore his undershirt sleeves the same length as the Mystery Dugout Man. Same short torso too Yeah, but May didn't wear his skin like dugout guy did. Hey --where'd you get that May picture? It's supposed to have a Topps Vault watermark!

batmagadanleadoff Jan 25 2016 04:46 PM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

Centerfield wrote: The guy in the pinkish shirt in the second row is sportin' the burns too. Looks like .73. You think that sideburns weren't in in '69? [fimg=533]http://cdn8.openculture.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/joe-cocker1.jpg[/fimg]

batmagadanleadoff Jan 25 2016 04:51 PM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

Here's a shot of Gosger. The custom card is '69 style but the photo, according to the Topps Vault, is from 1973. Take note of Gosger's sideburns action. [fimg=444:p2v9gr8v]http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n63/simarc/1960s/1969Mets/Jim_Gosger-1969_zps9d321ff0.jpg[/fimg:p2v9gr8v]

batmagadanleadoff Jan 25 2016 04:53 PM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

On the other, hand, it looks like Gosger was sporting sideburns in 1970, as well. [fimg=444:1mwa61m1]http://caimages.collectors.com/psacertimages/56005_943x1597.jpg[/fimg:1mwa61m1]

batmagadanleadoff Jan 25 2016 04:56 PM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

But not with the Pilots in '69. [fimg=444:1opngytl]http://www.mainlineautographs.com/images/product_pics/1201199599357seagosg_20080421617.jpg[/fimg:1opngytl] [fimg=644:1opngytl]http://jaynachman.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Gosger-Baseball-Cards-Copy.jpg[/fimg:1opngytl]

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 25 2016 05:06 PM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

It's 73 I'm certain. I just tried calling him up to confirm but phone number published online is disconnected. Lives in Port Huron Mich. I need to know this NOW!!!!

batmagadanleadoff Jan 25 2016 05:11 PM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

I think it's '73, too. The more I look at the photo, the more the uniform looks double knit polyester to me. Also, I think the uni would be baggier or looser fitting if it was a '69 uni. And '73 would explain the skyline logo patch, too. We just gotta figure out who dugout guy is. You say May. I think it looks a lot like Ike. But that would mean he was a '73 phantom.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 25 2016 05:13 PM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

Did Gil Hodges have a rule against sideburns?

batmagadanleadoff Jan 25 2016 05:17 PM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Milner looked leaner and darker than that guy. Yeah, I agree. I just threw that out there for consideration.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 25 2016 05:24 PM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

I'm pretty sure that dugout guy's wearing glasses. [fimg=555:10yoapq4]https://goldinauctions.com/ItemImages/000005/5537e1_lg.jpeg[/fimg:10yoapq4] [fimg=555:10yoapq4]http://stvivona.webs.com/photos/-Mets/ike.jpg[/fimg:10yoapq4]

Edgy MD Jan 25 2016 05:36 PM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

I could convince myself that's George Theodore, if I squint hard enough, but I don't recall Theodore ever coming to the plate without his glasses, and photo evidence supports this. Maybe Gosger got a temporary uni assignment for the Mayor's Trophy Game, which was at Shea that year. That's s t r e t c h, but maybe.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 25 2016 05:49 PM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

Edgy MD wrote: I could convince myself that's George Theodore, if I squint hard enough, but I don't recall Theodore ever coming to the plate without his glasses, and photo evidence supports this. Maybe Gosger got a temporary uni assignment for the Mayor's Trophy Game, which was at Shea that year. That's s t r e t c h, but maybe. It can't be Theodore. The batter's batting from the left side. Look at the batter's hands: the right hand is below the left hand. Besides, his body language says lefty. A righty would't be in that position coming out of the box. It wouldn't make sense for Gosger to get a temporary uniform for the MT game. He'd been with the team since the beginning of the month, when rosters expanded. The MT game was played at the very end of the season, around 9/27/69.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 25 2016 06:48 PM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 25 2016 07:07 PM

I can't find any evidence that Ike Hampton was a '73 phantom Met. But dugout guy looks a lot more like Hampton than May, or anybody, really. If it's Hampton, then the picture's from Sept. '74, without any proof to support the phantom theory. So then you gotta explain what Benny Ayala was wearing on the date of the Gosger photo. The Jerry May theory is the cleanest way to date the picture to '73, but dugout guy looks nothing like May. And why would dugout guy's face and arms appear so dark? You can't blame that on the poor dugout lighting conditions because every other Caucasian in the dugout appears a lot lighter than dugout guy.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 25 2016 07:05 PM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Maybe that would explain why George Theodore switched from 18 to 9 mid-season '73. Maybe Gosger wanted his old 18 back. This part is plausible because Gosger was a veteran who debuted 10 years earlier, while The Stork was a rookie and one of the last guys on the roster. So Gosger would've had the clout to engineer that switch. Besides, Theodore's reputation was that of very nice guy and so, might have been very willing to accomodate Gosger. Now if only we can get all of the other pieces of this puzzle to work together. One other thing: Gosger never wore 18 in any of his other major league stints, prior to playing for the '69 Mets.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 25 2016 07:20 PM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 25 2016 07:32 PM

Milner usually wore a black batting glove on his left hand, but in this photo below, he's wearing a white or tan batting glove, similar to dugout guy's. [fimg=444:2scvkwp4]https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1592/24583569246_445be5d44f_o.jpg[/fimg:2scvkwp4] [fimg=555:2scvkwp4]https://goldinauctions.com/ItemImages/000005/5537e1_lg.jpeg[/fimg:2scvkwp4] Could dugout guy be Clendenon? That would date the photo to '69. And then we'd be back to having to explain the skyline patch.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 25 2016 07:27 PM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

batmagadanleadoff wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: Maybe that would explain why George Theodore switched from 18 to 9 mid-season '73. Maybe Gosger wanted his old 18 back. This part is plausible because Gosger was a veteran who debuted 10 years earlier, while The Stork was a rookie and one of the last guys on the roster. So Gosger would've had the clout to engineer that switch. Besides, Theodore's reputation was that of very nice guy and so, might have been very willing to accomodate Gosger. Now if only we can get all of the other pieces of this puzzle to work together. One other thing: Gosger never wore 18 in any of his other major league stints, prior to playing for the '69 Mets. Even more interesting. Gosger is reportedly the man who coined the "Stork" nickname for Theodore, when they were teammates in Tidewater. So they were buds.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 25 2016 07:30 PM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Maybe that would explain why George Theodore switched from 18 to 9 mid-season '73. Maybe Gosger wanted his old 18 back. This part is plausible because Gosger was a veteran who debuted 10 years earlier, while The Stork was a rookie and one of the last guys on the roster. So Gosger would've had the clout to engineer that switch. Besides, Theodore's reputation was that of very nice guy and so, might have been very willing to accomodate Gosger. Now if only we can get all of the other pieces of this puzzle to work together. One other thing: Gosger never wore 18 in any of his other major league stints, prior to playing for the '69 Mets. Even more interesting. Gosger is reportedly the man who coined the "Stork" nickname for Theodore, when they were teammates in Tidewater. So they were buds. Wow. Never heard that one before. Unless I did, but then forgot that I did.

dgwphotography Jan 25 2016 07:49 PM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

I tink dugout guy is Clendenon. It just looks like him with the long arms, and overall pose. Plus, The white glove/wristband combination looks similar in a few photos I've seen of him, including this card:

batmagadanleadoff Jan 25 2016 07:55 PM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

dgwphotography wrote: I tink dugout guy is Clendenon. It just looks like him with the long arms, and overall pose. Plus, The white glove/wristband combination looks similar in a few photos I've seen of him, including this card [fimg=444]https://goldinauctions.com/ItemImages/000005/5537e1_lg.jpeg[/fimg] I agree with the pose part. I think that Clendenon leaned his body in the same fashion as dugout guy. What do you think about Gosger's uni? Flannels or double-knit?

batmagadanleadoff Jan 25 2016 07:59 PM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

batmagadanleadoff wrote: dgwphotography wrote: I tink dugout guy is Clendenon. It just looks like him with the long arms, and overall pose. Plus, The white glove/wristband combination looks similar in a few photos I've seen of him, including this card [fimg=444]https://goldinauctions.com/ItemImages/000005/5537e1_lg.jpeg[/fimg] I agree with the pose part. I think that Clendenon leaned his body in the same fashion as dugout guy. What do you think about Gosger's uni? Flannels or double-knit? That left hand batting glove on the Clendenon card looks very similar to dugout guy's setup. It's a batting glove, then some skin, then a wrist-band. I thought it was all one piece -- a big batting glove that extended beyond the wrist. But Clendenon might be dugout guy. So explain the patch.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 25 2016 08:03 PM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

I tink dugout guy is Clendenon. It just looks like him with the long arms, and overall pose. Plus, The white glove/wristband combination looks similar in a few photos I've seen of him, including this card: Breakthrough!

dgwphotography Jan 25 2016 08:12 PM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

It's not Jim Gosger - It's Dave Marshall in 1970.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 25 2016 08:14 PM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

I think we have our answer. Next question: Why does that card say "SAN DIEGO PADRES"?

batmagadanleadoff Jan 25 2016 08:21 PM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

dgwphotography wrote: It's not Jim Gosger - It's Dave Marshall in 1970. Makes sense to me. Marshall explains the patch, too. But it that's Marshall, it could be '71 too. I wonder if Gosger ever signed that pic.

d'Kong76 Jan 25 2016 08:24 PM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

Someone selling a fake autograph on a pic of wrong guy? Priceless.

dgwphotography Jan 25 2016 08:25 PM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

Why fake a Jim Gosger? I'm thinking that he signed it at a card show without looking at it too closely.

Edgy MD Jan 25 2016 08:28 PM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

1969 Mets are easier to market than 1970 Mets, I would guess. Rocky Dennis' life ambition was to complete his 1955 Dodgers card set. Even with stooges like Joe Pignatano. But how many people are trying to complete a 1956 Dodgers set?

dgwphotography Jan 25 2016 08:29 PM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

Edgy MD wrote: 1969 Mets are easier to market than 1970 Mets, I would guess. Rocky Dennis' life ambition was to complete his 1955 Dodgers card set. Even with stooges like Joe Pignatano. But how many people are trying to complete a 1956 Dodgers set? I get that completely. I have a '69 Mets ball that is only missing a Buddy Harrelson signature

batmagadanleadoff Jan 25 2016 08:38 PM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

dgwphotography wrote: Edgy MD wrote: 1969 Mets are easier to market than 1970 Mets, I would guess. Rocky Dennis' life ambition was to complete his 1955 Dodgers card set. Even with stooges like Joe Pignatano. But how many people are trying to complete a 1956 Dodgers set? I get that completely. I have a '69 Mets ball that is only missing a Buddy Harrelson signature Yeah. This thread has its roots in my search for a picture of Gosger on the '69 Mets. The photo I posted is all I could find, but the patch threw me off. So if there are no '69 Mets pics of Gosger, maybe some seller decided to fake one.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 25 2016 08:53 PM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

I'm glad that number was disconnected. Good work, dwg! You're Fred and Daphne all in one.

dgwphotography Jan 25 2016 09:14 PM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I'm glad that number was disconnected. Good work, dwg! You're Fred and Daphne all in one. Max is smarter than Scooby, though... To be honest, I heavily used a certain MBTN site, and as soon as I saw pictures of Dave Marshall, it just clicked.

Centerfield Jan 25 2016 09:22 PM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

dgwphotography wrote: Why fake a Jim Gosger? I'm thinking that he signed it at a card show without looking at it too closely. This is funny. Of all things, you'd think you'd be able to recognize yourself. That's really mailing it in.

Zvon Jan 25 2016 11:05 PM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

I will confirm that is most certainly Dave Marshall. The guy in the dugout is either Agee or Clendenon. The white glove and posture makes it look like it could be either. The glove/wristband set up leans towards Clendenon as opposed to Agee. [fimg=300]https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-xODt2jXmGaQ/UrC_tnS2kWI/AAAAAAAAKGY/MhG4CnwvXQw/s640-Ic42/71tTommieAgeeZ14.png[/fimg][fimg=300]https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-MDb4oOdF524/UrCzMN7kyII/AAAAAAAAKE4/ORF-49Uo6Rk/s549-Ic42/71tDonnClendenon.png[/fimg]

SteveJRogers Jan 25 2016 11:32 PM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

I think we have our answer. Next question: Why does that card say "SAN DIEGO PADRES"? Because it a DIY digital card, using Marshall's real 1973 card and a Man From Topps photo. As you can see, Topps went with Marshall looking upwards so the cap logo wasn't visable as they doctored up the Met blues for Padre mustard yellow, yet kept pinstripes that the Padres wouldn't incorporate on uniforms for more than a decade!

SteveJRogers Jan 25 2016 11:55 PM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

Why fake a Jim Gosger? I'm thinking that he signed it at a card show without looking at it too closely. It's probably the "'69 Champs" that is the reason for the possible forgery. Get someone thinking they have an item from a member of one of the most beloved teams in the sport's history. Let's do a little Gosger autos comparison: 1967 Topps, granted Topps makes a facsimile of a signed contract signature for facsimile autographs on cards, even to this day with the Bowman line (and why you'll get formal names of players listed or different from how they'd sign it for you), but here is the facsimile of a Gosger signature Note, besides the 1991 SGA set, there are no cards of Gosger as a Met in the TradingCardDB.com I'd go back to the archives of FaFiF to see what Jace has representing Gosger in The Holy Books. eBay auction supposedly PSA/DNA authenticated Gosger sig on an index card: Another Met photo, but without the "'69 Champs" inscription: LOL! Same photo, different auction, but a few dollars more despite not having an inscription: Steiner Sports has a Gosger ball, with the 1969 inscription: And here is one with Gosger inscribing as being on both the 1969 and 1973 teams.

Zvon Jan 25 2016 11:57 PM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

I think we have our answer. Next question: Why does that card say "SAN DIEGO PADRES"? Because it a DIY digital card, using Marshall's real 1973 card and a Man From Topps photo. As you can see, Topps went with Marshall looking upwards so the cap logo wasn't visable as they doctored up the Met blues for Padre mustard yellow, yet kept pinstripes that the Padres wouldn't incorporate on uniforms for more than a decade! And that's why I made the card. His regular card was hideous. Marshall deserves a few more too if I ever get around to it. Cause him and Boswell had the koolest sideburns ever. Putting the NOW WITH PADRES on the scoreboard was a joke, and I wrote that I paid the scoreboard guy to do that so I didn't have to do what we see here on his '72 mfc alternate card. [fimg=300]https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-oYmtiTsYQus/UzEXKwrwoAI/AAAAAAAAN2k/SN_Z3Y6sL80/s605-Ic42/73ZPCMarshall-z14.png[/fimg]___[fimg=300]https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-lgalA0IGoxU/UyZqIwoBYTI/AAAAAAAANik/b0ExWKQzbzM/s607-Ic42/73OPCMarshall-z14.png[/fimg]

SteveJRogers Jan 26 2016 12:05 AM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

Alright, poking around with a Google image search, lands the photo here at a blogspot blog called CenterFieldMaz with a Gosger bio of sorts: [url]http://www.centerfieldmaz.com/2012/11/former-member-of-two-mets-pennant.html He does have an image of a Gosger signed card (oddly its with a fascimile): Amusingly this DIY digital 1974 card pops up with Gosger's name on it!

SteveJRogers Jan 26 2016 12:25 AM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

Trying to figure out the origin of how Gosger is connected to the photo finds it listed as part of this Goldin Auctions lot of a jacket worn by Gosger during the 1969 season: [url]https://goldinauctions.com/lot-5537.aspx For whatever reason, I can't get too much hits on "Dave Marshall Mets" in terms of an in action photo like that on Google image search for comparison, or if an original was posted to figure out why that would be considered a photo of Jim Gosger during the 1969 season.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 26 2016 12:38 AM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

I think we have our answer. Next question: Why does that card say "SAN DIEGO PADRES"? Because it a DIY digital card, using Marshall's real 1973 card and a Man From Topps photo. As you can see, Topps went with Marshall looking upwards so the cap logo wasn't visable as they doctored up the Met blues for Padre mustard yellow, yet kept pinstripes that the Padres wouldn't incorporate on uniforms for more than a decade! And that's why I made the card. His regular card was hideous. Marshall deserves a few more too if I ever get around to it. Cause him and Boswell had the koolest sideburns ever. Putting the NOW WITH PADRES on the scoreboard was a joke, and I wrote that I paid the scoreboard guy to do that so I didn't have to do what we see here on his '72 mfc alternate card. [fimg=300]https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-oYmtiTsYQus/UzEXKwrwoAI/AAAAAAAAN2k/SN_Z3Y6sL80/s605-Ic42/73ZPCMarshall-z14.png[/fimg]___[fimg=300]https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-lgalA0IGoxU/UyZqIwoBYTI/AAAAAAAANik/b0ExWKQzbzM/s607-Ic42/73OPCMarshall-z14.png[/fimg] I think that the best explanation for why that DIY has Padres on it is because it was done in the style of O-Pee-Chee cards.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 26 2016 12:44 AM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

[fimg=333:20rq6zmd]http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/O4oAAOxyLN9SgXET/s-l500.jpg[/fimg:20rq6zmd] I came across this Gosger photo in my photo search. This one's very likely from 1969. I say so because of the way the cap creases on the right side of the photo. I think that caps from Gosger's 70's stints with the Mets didn't do that. But I wasn't interested in this photo because it's too much of a head shot and I was looking for more body. I have this vague memory of Dave Marshall losing his glove. Hank Aaron hit an opposite field HR against the Mets at Shea. Marshall went to the wall and leaped as high as he could, trying to rob Aaron of a would-be HR. Not only did Marshall not make the play, but in the process, he lost his glove, which landed on the other side of the wall. The game had to be stopped so that Marshall could be reunited with his glove. Does anybody remember this? Or am I imagining this?

Zvon Jan 26 2016 01:03 AM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

batmagadanleadoff wrote: I think that the best explanation for why that DIY has Padres on it is because it was done in the style of O-Pee-Chee cards. I thought Topps itself did that a few times in the early 70's but I must be mistaken. Running a search the only notation on a Topps card I see deals with the passing of Gil Hodges. batmagadanleadoff wrote: I came across this Gosger photo in my photo search. This one's very likely from 1969. I say so because of the way the cap creases on the right side of the photo. I think that caps from Gosger's 70's stints with the Mets didn't do that. But I wasn't interested in this photo because it's too much of a head shot and I was looking for more body. I have this vague memory of Dave Marshall losing his glove. Hank Aaron hit an opposite field HR against the Mets at Shea. Marshall went to the wall and leaped as high as he could, trying to rob Aaron of a would-be HR. Not only did Marshall not make the play, but in the process, he lost his glove, which landed on the other side of the wall. The game had to be stopped so that Marshall could be reunited with his glove. Does anybody remember this? Or am I imagining this? I can't say for sure but I may have seen this. I know practically every time I saw the Mets play the Braves in those days Aaron hit a homer. Gosger's hat looks like that because he (like many other players) would fold the hat backwards, folding the brim forward and under the bridge of the cap, wrapping it around the hat. Then they'd stick the folded hat in their back pocket.

Zvon Jan 26 2016 01:09 AM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

Further inspection indicates that the notation was only on Gil's '72 O-Pee-Chee card and not his Topps. I guess I'm conflating Topps and O-Pee-Chee.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 26 2016 03:37 PM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

Zvon wrote: Gosger's hat looks like that because he (like many other players) would fold the hat backwards, folding the brim forward and under the bridge of the cap, wrapping it around the hat. Then they'd stick the folded hat in their back pocket. Interesting. I never thought of that. I've seen plenty of pictures of Mets caps folding in that fashion over the years. But in my mind, all of those pics are from the flannel uniform era. I figured that the 70's caps are different and don't leave those fold marks.

Zvon Jan 26 2016 10:53 PM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Zvon wrote: Gosger's hat looks like that because he (like many other players) would fold the hat backwards, folding the brim forward and under the bridge of the cap, wrapping it around the hat. Then they'd stick the folded hat in their back pocket. Interesting. I never thought of that. I've seen plenty of pictures of Mets caps folding in that fashion over the years. But in my mind, all of those pics are from the flannel uniform era. I figured that the 70's caps are different and don't leave those fold marks. Willie Mays did that all his time w/the Mets. I never saw him in an overly worn cap (as a Metropolitan) so I bet he'd get a new cap every month or so. I collect baseball caps, have all my life. And early on as a teen playing baseball I would do that, emulating Mays, and the bridge of the cap would eventually look like Gosger's. I'm talking after a few months. So I stopped doing it. I was always very concerned with the bridge of my caps, and sometimes I even stuck a cardboard support in there to make it even more pronounced. Ha, I remember I thought I looked so kool. These days the mesh material that supports the bridge of the cap is much better, much stronger than the caps of the early 70's. And even these days from time to time I'll see a player folding the cap old school and slipping into their back pocket.

batmagadanleadoff Sep 12 2016 08:51 PM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

Here's another mis-autographed Mets photo. This picture of not Jerry Koosman has a Jerry Koosman sig. [fimg=555:3m5nlmi8]https://c7.staticflickr.com/9/8162/29014089734_74f63228f1_o.jpg[/fimg:3m5nlmi8] Who's this Met?

cooby Sep 12 2016 09:05 PM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

I know that face Willie is making. It means "my knees hurt!"

dinosaur jesus Sep 12 2016 09:20 PM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

Jack DiLauro?

d'Kong76 Sep 12 2016 09:31 PM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

Why would Kooz's signature end up on a photo unless it was a fake sig? I mean, he obviously wouldn't sign a pic that wasn't of him right?

batmagadanleadoff Sep 12 2016 09:42 PM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

dinosaur jesus wrote: Jack DiLauro? There's no uni # on the front of the jersey, so the photo's gotta be from one of the first three seasons. It looks more Shea than Polo to me, but I can't make out the World's Fair Patch that the Mets wore in '64.

Mets Guy in Michigan Sep 12 2016 09:46 PM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

After all the Jim Gosger talk, I recommend this podcast: [url]http://www.majorleaguepodcast.com/2016/03/14/jim-gosger-2/ Steve Hofstetter does a great job with these. He mostly interviews guys who have had short or relatively undistinguished careers, realizing that even the guys who have cups of coffee are great stories. He's a Mets fan, too, so he tends to talk to guys with connections to the Mets, like Ed Hearn and Barry Lyons. The Gosger podcast is particularly good, as he also played for the Seattle Pilots in addition to the 1969 and 1973 Mets. Some pretty wild stories there. And, he's worked for the city of Port Huron, Mich. for years.

dinosaur jesus Sep 12 2016 09:51 PM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

batmagadanleadoff wrote: dinosaur jesus wrote: Jack DiLauro? There's no uni # on the front of the jersey, so the photo's gotta be from one of the first three seasons. It looks more Shea than Polo to me, but I can't make out the World's Fair Patch that the Mets wore in '64. Got it. I was thinking maybe the number was Photoshopped out to make the quiz harder. Or his uniform was flapping right over the number.

Zvon Sep 13 2016 02:59 AM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

Great photo Batmags. I'll have to get out my facial recognition software.

Zvon Sep 13 2016 03:05 AM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

First guess: Willard Hunter

John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 13 2016 12:04 PM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

After all the Jim Gosger talk, I recommend this podcast: [url]http://www.majorleaguepodcast.com/2016/03/14/jim-gosger-2/ Steve Hofstetter does a great job with these. He mostly interviews guys who have had short or relatively undistinguished careers, realizing that even the guys who have cups of coffee are great stories. He's a Mets fan, too, so he tends to talk to guys with connections to the Mets, like Ed Hearn and Barry Lyons. The Gosger podcast is particularly good, as he also played for the Seattle Pilots in addition to the 1969 and 1973 Mets. Some pretty wild stories there. And, he's worked for the city of Port Huron, Mich. for years. IIRC, Hofstedder had one of the great websites of the Paleo Internet Era when they did "Sports Jerk of the Week."

seawolf17 Sep 13 2016 02:49 PM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

d'Kong76 wrote: Why would Kooz's signature end up on a photo unless it was a fake sig? I mean, he obviously wouldn't sign a pic that wasn't of him right? Has to be. That's so bizarre.

SteveJRogers Sep 13 2016 03:58 PM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

seawolf17 wrote: d'Kong76 wrote: Why would Kooz's signature end up on a photo unless it was a fake sig? I mean, he obviously wouldn't sign a pic that wasn't of him right? Has to be. That's so bizarre. Well, we have instances of Jim Gosger signing Dave Marshall photos. Could just be a case of signing things quickly to keep a line moving without thinking about what is being signed.

Zvon Sep 13 2016 06:32 PM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

SteveJRogers wrote: Could just be a case of signing things quickly to keep a line moving without thinking about what is being signed. Dykstra signed this drawing at a card show. As far as I know, to this day he has never seen the drawing. I think if it involves $$ a player will sign anything.

cooby Sep 13 2016 08:09 PM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

He signed a drawing you made of him and he didn't even look at it? I can't even imagine how that must have felt for you.

Zvon Sep 14 2016 04:34 AM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

cooby wrote: He signed a drawing you made of him and he didn't even look at it? I can't even imagine how that must have felt for you. I actually get very nervous in situations like that. Cuz what if the guy says "this sucks!", lol. This thing w/Lenny was different. At the time of the show I hadn't completed the drawing. Only the pencil portrait was there. After you complete a pencil drawing you should "fix" it with a special spray. This keeps the lead from smearing or fading over time. I hadn't fixed the portrait yet (it was a rush job for this card show). It was actually still in the drawing pad. I knew that I was going to add color action shots around the portrait, and I knew exactly where I wanted him to sign. He would have to put his arm directly on the portrait to sign in that spot. So I flipped over the next blank page on the pad and cut a hole in it exactly where I wanted him to sign. So what he saw was a blank piece of drawing paper with a hole in it. Ha. Approaching Lenny on line you get up to his table and then his people (2 or 3 dudes) would ask what you wanted signed and that kinda shit, and they'd look it over and approve or reject (I guess-I didn't see anyone get rejected-but they would "clear" it, so to speak). And then they hustled me down to Dykstra, slid it under him, he signed, and then NEXT! He didn't even look up at me. It was like a fast conveyor belt when it got to Lenny. The more he signed, the more $$ he'd make. I didn't mind at all. I was kinda relieved. I wanted the drawing signed and I got it, w/ a certificate and all, and that's all that mattered to me. Might have been different if I wasn't paying for the privilege. I'm sure I've told this tale here before. And also the tale of the Glenn Wilson drawing/autograph, and how he was such an asshole. And the Gooden and how I lost the drawing in Shea's parking lot, AND FOUND IT AGAIN! after searching for over an hour. That never got signed though. That got run over by probably a hundred cars before I found it.

cooby Sep 14 2016 12:31 PM Re: The Jim Gosger Photo

Now that's clever!