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batmagadanleadoff
Jan 26 2016 03:45 PM

Absolutely nothing has gone right for the Nationals this winter

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Unless you're the biggest Daniel Murphy fan in the world, this winter has been more about what the Nationals haven't done instead of what they have done.

http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/2016/1/25/1 ... s-cespedes

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What was the Nationals' plan if they were successful in their pursuit of Jason Heyward? Was he Harper insurance if their star left in two years? Was he part of the plan to entice Harper to stay? Or were they primarily focused on the present, with the future being left for the future?

It doesn't matter. Heyward signed with the Cubs. The Nationals were curious about Justin Upton, and he signed elsewhere. They were curious about Wei-Yin Chen, which would have freed up one of their starting pitchers to trade. They were talking contract with Mike Leake for the same reason. They missed out on Ben Zobrist, Swiss Army knife of the gods. Darren O'Day turned them down to stay put. They thought they had a trade for Brandon Phillips, but he demanded an extension to waive his no-trade rights.

The last of the bunch was the worst of the bunch, at least strategically. The Nationals were pursuing Yoenis Cespedes, which would have served a dual purpose of making their lineup stronger and poking the Mets in the eye. Instead, the Mets got Cespedes on what's essentially a one-year deal (assuming he opts out), which fits their needs and budget perfectly. The Nationals are instead left to hope for the best from a 37-year-old Jayson Werth as their main source of power after Harper.

Every team missed out on a target or three. The Nationals missed out on targets spectacularly, though, right up to their final failed pursuit of a crucial NL East player.

[***]

After [Bryce Harper] it's bleak. Zimmerman had a .308 OBP last year, and his body is an old soul. Murphy is a fine complementary player, but he makes you wince as a #5 hitter. Werth is coming off his worst season, and he's 37. Espinosa is coming off one of his best seasons, but that still makes him a defense-first player you hide at the bottom of the order. Ramos has been a net-negative hitter for two seasons now.

The Nationals probably needed Cespedes more than the Mets did, really.

Mets Willets Point
Jan 26 2016 03:51 PM
Re: The Nats (Gnats, to the Mets) 2016 thread

Deez Nats.

Edgy MD
Jan 27 2016 12:01 PM
Re: The Nats (Gnats, to the Mets) 2016 thread

According to Ken Rosenthal, the Nats have signed Bronson Arroyo to a minor league deal.

Lefty Specialist
Jan 27 2016 01:43 PM
Re: The Nats (Gnats, to the Mets) 2016 thread

I wouldn't get too cocky.

They have decent starters and re-worked their bullpen (although they still have Papeldouche, who's normally an effective enough closer).

They have a decent leadoff guy in Revere, a star on the rise in Trea Turner, Murphy and Rendon are solid hitters, and Harper is the reigning MVP. Zimmerman and Werth are on the downside but they'll still hit some, and Ramos kills the Mets.

As we sit here in late January I'd still say the Mets are a better club. But in January 2015, the Nats were supposed to go to the World Series and win it, too.

Frayed Knot
Jan 27 2016 02:25 PM
Re: The Nats (Gnats, to the Mets) 2016 thread

Know your 2016 Nats (as of 1/27):

Rotation: Out from last year are Jordan Zimmermann & Doug Fister.
To replace them, 2014 starter Tanner Roark bounces back from pen to reclaim a starting job, and Joe Ross, originally a 1st round pick by the Padres dealt to the Nats last winter. He pitched for the Nats part of last year including two starts vs the NYM during last year's crunch-time series [12.2 IP, 5 runs, 8 hits]
Those two will join incumbents: Strasburg, Scherzer, and (LH) Gio Gonzalez

Bullpen: Papelbon hasn't been dealt (at least not yet anyway) and Aaron Barrett & Blake Treinan also return. But Drew Storen, Felipe Rivera, Casey Janssen, and LOOGY specialist Matt Thorton have either been traded or left via FA-gency.
Newcomers in the pen include a couple of guys with NYM connections: Oliver Perez, Yusmeiro Petit. Also Trevor Gott acquired from the Angels plus an assortment of young guys from their own org round out the pen as of now.


On the infield they're dealing with the loss of Ian Desmond (who still hasn't signed anywhere!!) and Yunel Escobar from whom they got a lot more than they had any right to expect in 2015.
1B - Ryan Zimmerman back by Clint Robinson, the 30 y/o rookie with a surprisingly strong 2015
2B - some guy they picked up in the off season
SS - This is the only real open position. They'd like speed-burner/former 1st round pick (by SD) Trea Turner to win the job. If he's not ready they signed Stephen Drew and still have utility knife IF Danny Espinosa (both of whom will probably replace Muffy in late innings often)
3B - Anthony Rendon

OF - Jayson Werth in LF. Ben Revere was imported to replace the better, though more-oft injured, Denard Span both in the leadoff spot and in CF. MVP Bryce Harper in RF.
Michael Taylor and/or Matt den Dekker will back up at all three spots - particularly for Werth who is increasingly a liability with a glove on his hand.

And finally there's the massively experienced Dusty Baker in for first-timer Matt Williams to run the dugout.

Lefty Specialist
Jan 27 2016 02:30 PM
Re: The Nats (Gnats, to the Mets) 2016 thread

I think Murph will be playing third and Rendon second. Murph's less of a liability at third; it's his natural position (if Murphy can be said to have a natural position). :)

Frayed Knot
Jan 27 2016 02:47 PM
Re: The Nats (Gnats, to the Mets) 2016 thread

Hmmmmm, interesting call for them.

I suspect they think both guys would be better at 3rd. Rendon's the incumbent and kind of the 'chosen one' (after Harper) and I think they'd prefer to keep him out of harm's way. Murphy is older (read: less mobile) and has the big, new contract although I doubt he had the kind of pull to demand a position in negotiations.
Drew probably plays best at 2B or SS so would be a more logical late-inning replacement for Murph if he's at 2nd without having to reshuffle the entire infield. Espinosa can back up pretty much anywhere.

Edgy MD
Jan 27 2016 02:49 PM
Re: The Nats (Gnats, to the Mets) 2016 thread

Lefty Specialist wrote:
I wouldn't get too cocky.

Says the guy puffing the victory ceegar.

Centerfield
Jan 27 2016 03:06 PM
Re: The Nats (Gnats, to the Mets) 2016 thread

Frayed Knot wrote:
Know your 2016 Nats (as of 1/27):

Rotation: Out from last year are Jordan Zimmermann & Doug Fister.
To replace them, 2014 starter Tanner Roark bounces back from pen to reclaim a starting job, and Joe Ross, originally a 1st round pick by the Padres dealt to the Nats last winter. He pitched for the Nats part of last year including two starts vs the NYM during last year's crunch-time series [12.2 IP, 5 runs, 8 hits]
Those two will join incumbents: Strasburg, Scherzer, and (LH) Gio Gonzalez

Bullpen: Papelbon hasn't been dealt (at least not yet anyway) and Aaron Barrett & Blake Treinan also return. But Drew Storen, Felipe Rivera, Casey Janssen, and LOOGY specialist Matt Thorton have either been traded or left via FA-gency.
Newcomers in the pen include a couple of guys with NYM connections: Oliver Perez, Yusmeiro Petit. Also Trevor Gott acquired from the Angels plus an assortment of young guys from their own org round out the pen as of now.

On the infield they're dealing with the loss of Ian Desmond (who still hasn't signed anywhere!!) and Yunel Escobar from whom they got a lot more than they had any right to expect in 2015.
1B - Ryan Zimmerman back by Clint Robinson, the 30 y/o rookie with a surprisingly strong 2015
2B - some guy they picked up in the off season
SS - This is the only real open position. They'd like speed-burner/former 1st round pick (by SD) Trea Turner to win the job. If he's not ready they signed Stephen Drew and still have utility knife IF Danny Espinosa (both of whom will probably replace Muffy in late innings often)
3B - Anthony Rendon

OF - Jayson Werth in LF. Ben Revere was imported to replace the better, though more-oft injured, Denard Span both in the leadoff spot and in CF. MVP Bryce Harper in RF.
Michael Taylor and/or Matt den Dekker will back up at all three spots - particularly for Werth who is increasingly a liability with a glove on his hand.

And finally there's the massively experienced Dusty Baker in for first-timer Matt Williams to run the dugout.


They're not going to have a catcher? Nice! We're going to win this thing easy!

Lefty Specialist
Jan 27 2016 03:33 PM
Re: The Nats (Gnats, to the Mets) 2016 thread

Edgy MD wrote:
Lefty Specialist wrote:
I wouldn't get too cocky.

Says the guy puffing the victory ceegar.



Yeah, and look what happened to him in the World Series.

Mets Willets Point
Jan 27 2016 04:05 PM
Re: The Nats (Gnats, to the Mets) 2016 thread

I can't believe Yusmiero Petit is still around. He and Angel Pagan were the only two players that I did that Adopt a Prospect for and they've both had pretty long careers, but not much with the Mets.

Frayed Knot
Jan 27 2016 04:21 PM
Re: The Nats (Gnats, to the Mets) 2016 thread

Centerfield wrote:
They're not going to have a catcher? Nice! We're going to win this thing easy!


Think of the running we can do after all the passed balls!!

Actually they should have the same duo of Wilson Ramos & Jose Lobaton back.
Ramos is going to be an interesting decision for them this year. They got him as a 22 y/o via a trade w/the Twins where he was being blocked by Joe Mauer (not even a catcher anymore) for a reliever (Matt Capps) now four years out of the game, he's been a solid catcher and powerful bat for them and is still just 28. But he misses so many games due to injury (averaged barely 300 ABs/year over five seasons) that he plays sometimes more like he's 38 and can be a FA at the end of the year.
I think they also like Lobaton better defensively but the guy hits like he's a backup catcher or something!

Benjamin Grimm
Jan 27 2016 04:22 PM
Re: The Nats (Gnats, to the Mets) 2016 thread

Centerfield wrote:
They're not going to have a catcher? Nice! We're going to win this thing easy!


That just means that they'll have a lot of passed balls.

Frayed Knot
Jan 27 2016 04:32 PM
Re: The Nats (Gnats, to the Mets) 2016 thread

Mets – Willets Point wrote:
I can't believe Yusmiero Petit is still around.


I think maybe even HE's surprised.
For a guy who barely had a career from 2006-09, then disappeared entirely into the minors and foreign leagues for 2010, '11, and effectively 2012 as well (only 4-2/3 ML innings pitched), he then resurfaced with the Giants in late 2013 only to have several oddly effective seasons since as a combo reliever/starter including a scoreless streak which reached a near record length* in 2014 but also flew largely under the radar because it accumulated in just 1 and 2 innings clumps over many different appearances.

And he still just turned 31 y/o over this past off-season. Signed w/the Nats at a fairly cheap rate ($3 mil) for one year plus an option which kicks in for 2017 at the same price if he hits 80 innings pitched.




* actually (looking it up) he DID set a record when he retired 46 consecutive batters from July 22 thru Aug 28, 2014 - the equivalent of 15-1/3 innings of perfect pitching which occurred across eight separate outings.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jan 28 2016 02:08 AM
Re: The Nats (Gnats, to the Mets) 2016 thread

Didn't Petit come agonizingly close to a spot-start no-no last year?

OE: Nope. But he came one strike away from a perfect game for the Giants in September 2013, against the Diamondbacks.

MFS62
Jan 28 2016 04:24 AM
Re: The Nats (Gnats, to the Mets) 2016 thread

Benjamin Grimm wrote:
Centerfield wrote:
They're not going to have a catcher? Nice! We're going to win this thing easy!


That just means that they'll have a lot of passed balls.

Didn't they just draft Hobie Landrith to prevent that?

Later

Frayed Knot
Apr 06 2016 11:14 PM
Re: The Nats (Gnats, to the Mets) 2016 thread

So after multiple injuries last season (often due to pulled abdominal muscles) the Nats opted to let Denard Span walk and replaced him with Ben Revere.
So 2 ABs into the season, Revere ... wait for it ... pulled an oblique muscle and has gone on the DL.
So we can expect lots more Michael Taylor in CF and Matt den Dekker has been called up to back up.

batmagadanleadoff
Apr 19 2016 05:39 AM
Division Opponents for 2016: Nationals

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Frayed Knot
Apr 19 2016 01:24 PM
Re: Division Opponents for 2016: Nationals

Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Apr 19 2016 01:55 PM

He's also 2nd in the NL in OBA (behind Yelich), 3rd in Slugging (Story & Harper), and 2nd in OPS (Harper)

The NL OPS list as of right now is kind of funny: Harper & Murph up top followed, not suprisingly, by a bunch of Colorado guys, and then oddly (or maybe not because they always seem to do something like this) by two StL rookies that no one had ever heard of before like last week: Jeremy Hazelbaker (no, I'm not making that up) a 28 y/o career minor leaguer who's been released several times; and a 25 y/o Cuban signee from two years ago, Aledmys Diaz, who fell into the SS job because both Jhonny Peralta AND some guy named Ruben Tejada are injured (Tejada just reactivated).

Edgy MD
Apr 19 2016 01:40 PM
Re: The Nats (Gnats, to the Mets) 2016 thread

Merged. Mags, it'll be easier to find as the year progresses if you edit the title to include rocking keywords such as "Division" and "Opponents."

With regard to the OPS rolls, suddenly Wright is top 20 also.

batmagadanleadoff
Apr 21 2016 05:32 PM
Re: Division Opponents for 2016: Nationals

batmagadanleadoff wrote:
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With successive two-for-four games, Murph's average, ridiculous as it is, continues to climb.

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Centerfield
Apr 25 2016 03:07 PM
Re: The Nats (Gnats, to the Mets) 2016 thread

Sure. The Nats are flying at 14-4. And I do think that this was important for them to establish out of the gate that they are going to be in this all year long.

But of their first 18 games, half of them have been against the two worst teams in baseball (Atlanta and Minnesota). They are 9-0 against these teams.

The other 9 have been against Philadelphia and Miami. They are 5-4 against those teams.

Look, 14-4 is still terrific. And 9-0 against even the worst teams is still great. But as Mr. Wolf might warn the Nationals,


"Let's not start sucking...."

TransMonk
Apr 25 2016 03:16 PM
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I'm very confident that the Nats will NOT finish with a winning percentage of .700+. They will hit some rough patches during the marathon of a full season.

The Mets were 14-4 at the beginning of last season only to give up that surplus of wins in May and June.

Still, the hot start by the Cubs and Nats signifies them as powerful teams in the NL (but I think we expected that, right?).

Edgy MD
Apr 25 2016 03:56 PM
Re: The Nats (Gnats, to the Mets) 2016 thread

batmagadanleadoff wrote:
Unless you're the biggest Daniel Murphy fan in the world, this winter has been more about what the Nationals haven't done instead of what they have done.

A case of Crane Pool Lager to whoever the biggest Daniel Murphy fan in the world is. That guy knew stuff few others did.

Frayed Knot
May 10 2016 12:55 AM
Re: The Nats (Gnats, to the Mets) 2016 thread

Steven Strasburg signs a 7-year extension just ahead of his FA year.
So much for Scott Boras always taking his clients to the open market - although reportedly there are opt-outs involved. (opt-outs are the new black).

This very much surprises me. Strasburg seems to shun the spotlight every bit as much as Harper seeks it out, but I never got the idea he was all that popular in DC.
But he's finally been the pitcher they always hoped since about August of last season (though has surrendered two HRs tonight) so I guess the team figured the time was right.

bmfc1
May 10 2016 02:30 AM
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Bryce Harper, face of baseball:
http://screengrabber.deadspin.com/bryce ... socialflow

Edgy MD
May 10 2016 02:30 AM
Re: The Nats (Gnats, to the Mets) 2016 thread

Probably sets the bar for deHarveygaard.

soupcan
May 10 2016 01:38 PM
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I've wanted to hate Harper ever since he was a Sports Illustrated cover boy as a high schooler, but I can't.

He's a great player and last year when the Mets just thumped the nats late in the season the guy was just not douchey about it. Every time I heard him or saw a quote it was respectful and mature basically giving the other team credit. No bitterness. The thing with Papelbon just showed me what an asshole Papelbon was.

Now the 'fuck you' from last night is bad but still I can appreciate his frustration and Dusty's quote that everybody is intense and sometimes you have to let off a little steam here and there.

I'm gonna give him a pass on this one. But just this one.

MFS62
May 10 2016 01:48 PM
Re: The Nats (Gnats, to the Mets) 2016 thread

When you like the player, even though he beats you (like a Bob Gibson) its intensity.
When you don't like the guy (like Paul O'Neill) its assholeness.

Later

Edgy MD
May 10 2016 01:53 PM
Re: The Nats (Gnats, to the Mets) 2016 thread

I think I can distinguish the two.

I'm not encouraging you to hate him, for or against your sensibilities, but you must've seen him every other time. He's had some moments where he's quite the tool.

Weird how he alternates self-destructive hustle with dis-spiriting loafing. But he's young, he's probably damaged his brain on an outfield fence, he's a magnet for criticism whether he deserves it or not, blah-blah-blah.

None of that excuses the mohawk with the floppy preppie bangs in front and the rat-tail in back, though.

soupcan
May 10 2016 02:08 PM
Re: The Nats (Gnats, to the Mets) 2016 thread

Edgy MD wrote:
None of that excuses the mohawk with the floppy preppie bangs in front and the rat-tail in back, though.


Agreed.

For the record I'm not a big fan of the current look either.

Centerfield
May 10 2016 02:09 PM
Re: The Nats (Gnats, to the Mets) 2016 thread

soupcan wrote:
I've wanted to hate Harper ever since he was a Sports Illustrated cover boy as a high schooler, but I can't.

He's a great player and last year when the Mets just thumped the nats late in the season the guy was just not douchey about it. Every time I heard him or saw a quote it was respectful and mature basically giving the other team credit. No bitterness. The thing with Papelbon just showed me what an asshole Papelbon was.

Now the 'fuck you' from last night is bad but still I can appreciate his frustration and Dusty's quote that everybody is intense and sometimes you have to let off a little steam here and there.

I'm gonna give him a pass on this one. But just this one.


Plus the hair. The hair makes you just want to hate the fuck out of him.

But you are right on. He was absolutely classy throughout it all last season. And even last night he was sticking up for a teammate when he got tossed. He seems a decent guy, who is maybe just a bit douchy, and so is hated because he's good. But I'm good with him.

But again, there's time. I may hate him after these next 6 games.

TransMonk
May 10 2016 02:48 PM
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He's still a major douche, but getting better (barely). The "where's my ring" comment from two off-seasons ago still sticks with me.

He's no Chipper Jones.

Frayed Knot
May 10 2016 03:02 PM
Re: The Nats (Gnats, to the Mets) 2016 thread

He certainly deserved what he got last night and could be in for even more punishment depending on what the rules are concerning an ejected player returning to the field after the game is over.

- The call he was yapping about wasn't even against him (although he may have been mad about something earlier as well) it was strike 3 to Danny Espinosa (which WAS a strike acc to ESPN's 'box').
- And whatever it was he was saying, it was certainly thumb-worthy as Dusty Baker was trying to shoo him away and shut him up, only to have Bryce keep it up while hiding behind other bodies. But the ump knew who it was, Harper's "Who me?!?! look notwithstanding. A coach even tried to claim it was he who said it but 'Blue' wasn't buying.
- Two pitches later Clint Robinson won the game via a walk-off HR and that's where he made things even worse with the flying post-game F-Bombs. Yeah, dude, the post-game celebration is still all about you.

Ceetar
May 10 2016 03:10 PM
Re: The Nats (Gnats, to the Mets) 2016 thread

I have no problem with Bryce Harper besides the uniform he wears.

Frayed Knot
May 11 2016 04:22 PM
Re: The Nats (Gnats, to the Mets) 2016 thread

So part of the problem the Nats are having with Harper being walked so often -- the Cubs famously walked him 13 times in a 4 game series (some intentional, some only sort of intentional) plus plunked him once -- is that the guy hitting behind him, Ryan Zimmerman, went into last night's game tied with Bartolo in HRs.
So Tuesday night Zimmerman hit two HRs including one after a Harper walk. But the Nats got a rare night of bad pitching and were behind by a run in the 9th. So with the tying run on base the Tigers (Francisco Rodriguez) walked potential winning run Harper to get to Zimmerman ... who cooperated by striking out. Even on his best game of the season he doesn't deter the strategy.

Fun pitching matchup tonight: Scherzer & Jordan Zimmermann face each other and their old teams.

d'Kong76
May 11 2016 04:49 PM
Re: The Nats (Gnats, to the Mets) 2016 thread

Ceetar wrote:
I have no problem with Bryce Harper besides the uniform he wears.

Roto happiness or roto envy?

The post game nonsense (coming back onto the field, the finger pointing
at the ump basically doing the 'take that mutha fuckah') was childish and
kinda douchey. I wonder deep down what Dusty really thinks of his young
super stud. If he were on a big team like the Mets, I think his doucheality
would be getting more negative attention and derision.

Edgy MD
May 11 2016 05:03 PM
Re: The Nats (Gnats, to the Mets) 2016 thread

He's 23 and on his third manager. Fourth if you count Jim Riggleman, who was manager when he debuted in spring training. I think they're all terrified of him.

Ceetar
May 11 2016 06:11 PM
Re: The Nats (Gnats, to the Mets) 2016 thread

d'Kong76 wrote:
Ceetar wrote:
I have no problem with Bryce Harper besides the uniform he wears.

Roto happiness or roto envy?

The post game nonsense (coming back onto the field, the finger pointing
at the ump basically doing the 'take that mutha fuckah') was childish and
kinda douchey. I wonder deep down what Dusty really thinks of his young
super stud. If he were on a big team like the Mets, I think his doucheality
would be getting more negative attention and derision.


no, I just don't care about tradition and etiquette and unwritten rules. I like that Harper isn't afraid to speak his mind, engage in gamemanship, or be fiery. If it wasn't Harper someone would be claiming his actions the other day were "standing up for his teammates". 95% of baseball players are douchey anyway.

Edgy MD
May 11 2016 06:26 PM
Re: The Nats (Gnats, to the Mets) 2016 thread

Ceetar wrote:
I like that Harper isn't afraid to speak his mind, engage in gamemanship, or be fiery.

Trump=#00bce7]Harper2016=#00bce7]!

Ceetar
May 11 2016 07:09 PM
Re: The Nats (Gnats, to the Mets) 2016 thread

Edgy MD wrote:
Ceetar wrote:
I like that Harper isn't afraid to speak his mind, engage in gamemanship, or be fiery.

Trump=#00bce7]Harper2016=#00bce7]!


Trump doesn't have the impulse restraint to slow-play an outfield single and duke a runner into going for two and then gunning him down.

Frayed Knot
May 11 2016 09:25 PM
Re: The Nats (Gnats, to the Mets) 2016 thread

Harper gets a fine plus a one game suspension for his post-ejection antics from the other day. He is appealing (even if you're among those who don't think that he's very appealing).

d'Kong76
May 11 2016 10:31 PM
Re: The Nats (Gnats, to the Mets) 2016 thread

Glad he got a game, if he wins an appeal then you know there's
no stopping that canola-spray coating he has on him.

Frayed Knot
May 12 2016 12:55 AM
Re: The Nats (Gnats, to the Mets) 2016 thread

Despite Zimmerman's 2 HRs yesterday, Dusty moves Murphy in back of Harper (dropping Zim to 5th) and Murph already has 2 RBIs on the night, including one following a Harper (non-intentional) walk.
On the other hand he got himself caught between 1st & 2nd after his hit. IOW, a typical Muffy game.


2-1 Nats thru 6

batmagadanleadoff
May 13 2016 04:13 AM
Re: The Nats (Gnats, to the Mets) 2016 thread

Man, I dunno if Murphy's reinvented himself or if he's simply riding some hot streak for the ages, but so far, he's having the best season of any hitter in the NL. On top of last year's post-season.

He's the NL's best hitter.

Frayed Knot
Jun 15 2016 04:02 AM
Re: The Nats (Gnats, to the Mets) 2016 thread

Papelbon to the DL (inter-costal strain) two days after giving up a 9th inning lead in a game where the Nats came back to win anyway.
I don't think the Nats trust Papelbon as far as they can throw him but he's virtually un-tradeable at this point between his high-wire acts, huge salary, the fact that they've got a very inexperienced pen behind him, and, oh yeah, the part where he tried choking the league MVP on his own team in his own dugout in the middle of a pennant race and on camera last September.
Tonight they went with 2nd year lefty Sammy Solis in the 9th but he promptly gave up the lead and the game right after the Nats had tied it in the bottom 8 and prior to him it was Oliver Perez; those were the two relievers they were using in a one-run game vs the best team in MLB.

And all this is a long way of getting around to saying that I'd be shocked if the Nats [u:19qjr166]weren't[/u:19qjr166] in hard on any or all of the Yanx relievers between now and deadline time. Of course first the Yanx have to decide that their ultra-proud/stubborn tradition of never admitting that a season is out of reach doesn't work in all situations and realize that spinning off one or more of the Bettances/Miller/Chapman trio for whatever young meat they can land is the way to go in their situation. Not that the Nats will be the only team in on them, but it's definitely going to be one of the more interesting stories come mid-season.

TransMonk
Jun 26 2016 06:13 PM
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Stephen Strasburg placed on 15-day disabled list with upper back strain.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washin ... ck-strain/

Frayed Knot
Jun 26 2016 07:06 PM
Re: The Nats (Gnats, to the Mets) 2016 thread

There's a radio guy in DC who alternately refers to Strasberg as 'The Orchid' or '75 and Sunny' because of him seemingly being unable to thrive under anything but perfect conditions.

soupcan
Jun 26 2016 07:09 PM
Re: The Nats (Gnats, to the Mets) 2016 thread

Frayed Knot wrote:
There's a radio guy in DC who alternately refers to Strasberg as 'The Orchid' or '75 and Sunny' because of him seemingly being unable to thrive under anything but perfect conditions.


'The Orchid'. I like that.

Frayed Knot
Jun 27 2016 01:28 PM
Re: The Nats (Gnats, to the Mets) 2016 thread

Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday June 27-29 - all 7:05 starts

The DL'ing of 'The Orchid' has the scheduled starters for the Nats in this series all 'TBD'. Former NYM farmhand/swingman Yusmeiro Petit filled in for Strasberg's last start but they could have thrown him yesterday but chose instead to move Tanner Roark up.
We'll almost certainly see Scherzer on Wednesday as that would be his regular turn. Today & Tuesday will likely be some combo of Joe Ross & Petit unless they go dipping into the minors for help (Giolito?) so it sounds like we get a break there but who knows.
Scherzer is still giving up a lot of HRs for an otherwise dominant pitcher, his 20 allowed leads the league, which pushes his ERA to a very non-elite 3.52, higher than every other starter on their staff except for Gio Gonzalez.

Whoever they thrown in whatever order will be opposed by Syndergaard, Harvey & Matz


Hitting on the Nats: Wilson Ramos, Muffy, Espinosa (at least for power), and Jayson Werth after a very slow start has a 900+ OPS in June - with several game-winning hits
Not hitting: Either leadoff/CF man they choose: Michael Taylor or Ben Revere [.200/.251/.315 out of the leadoff slot all season but Dusty shows no sign of changing things up]; Ryan Zimmerman has been pretty much 'Meh' at best all year, and even Bryce Harper whose OPS since the end of April 1 is just in the mid-700s with 6 HRs in May/June combined.
3B Anthony Rendon is kind of hanging out in the middle, not a bad player but also not the budding star he seemed to be two years ago.

Basically their lineup hits a lot of HRs as almost everyone is in double digits and they even get a bunch from the bench: the combo of Stephen Drew, Chris Heisey, Clint Robinson have 13 between them.

Also out is Jonathan 'The Washington Strangler' Papelbon (Werth's name for him) so they're mixing and matching in a pen which wasn't real good even before the closer went down. Ex-MFY Shawn Kelley seems to be the closer du jour and veteran Matt Belisle is recently back from the DL but it's all a work in progress at this point.

This will be their first home game following a disastrous road trip that saw them win the first two games in SD and the final one in Milwaukee but lose seven straight in between: SD x 2; LAD x 3, Mil x 2

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jun 27 2016 01:54 PM
Re: The Nats (Gnats, to the Mets) 2016 thread

If you're in Washington Tuesday night come see the Lunch family catching some home runs in the outfield seats.

Frayed Knot
Jul 07 2016 01:29 PM
Re: The Nats (Gnats, to the Mets) 2016 thread

Since we last saw them (all of eight days ago) the Nats have:
- gone 4-3, which wouldn't be too bad except that it came against the mediocre Brewers & the awful Reds
- returned from the DL both Strasberg to the rotation and Papelbon to the pen
- DL’d starter Joe Ross and sent down OF Michael Taylor.



Thursday, 7:10 — Colon vs Lucas Giolito
Like Pittsburgh’s James Taillon earlier this year, Giolito will be the second top draft pick this season to make both his ML debut and then also his second ML start vs the Mets. He pitched 4 innings of one-hit ball in the rain-delayed game last week.
Colon likely owns socks that are older than Giolito.

Friday, 7:10 — Syndergaard vs Strasberg
Strasberg’s return following a 2-week DL stint was 6-2/3 of no-hit ball vs Cincy before being pulled for pitch count reasons.
Syndergaard had his worst start of the year vs the Nats last week [5 runs, 7 hits, 3 innings]

Saturday, 7:15 — ??? vs Scherzer
Obviously this Harvey thing screws up the rotation. He was supposed to go Saturday but it’ll now probably be Verrett instead.
Since going 7.1 innings of 2-hit ball vs us, Scherzer lost to Milwaukee giving up 1 run on 6 innings. He still leads the league in HRs allowed and will often run up pitch counts that don't allow him to get deep into games which is what happened to him vs the Brewers

Sunday , 1:10 - Matz vs Gio Gonzalez in a battle of each team's only lefty starter
After a great start to the season Gonzalez has pretty much sucked: ERA over 6 since early May
His one good game in the last two months came against the Mets back in mid-May, but then we turned around and kicked his butt five days later and he hasn’t been good since.


From the ‘It had to happen sooner or later’ file: after hitting .397 in Apirl & May combined, Muffy returned to earth with a combined .264 in June-July. I heard a stat earlier in the season that said he was hitting around .500 on ground balls which is something even the most anti-sabermetric old coots on the planet would have to admit was impossible to keep up. On the flip side he’s already matched his career high in HRs with 14 (also done last season).
Dusty Baker flipped Murph & Harper in the batting order on Wednesday, moving Murph up to 3rd while dropping Harper to cleanup. Not sure yet if that’s a new thing or just a one day hunch.

The Nats hottest player right now might be SS Danny Espinosa. The guy who seemed almost sure to be replaced by hot prospect Trea Turner is leading the team with 18 HRs, including 5 just this past week, while the org is now working Turner out in CF

Nats lead the NL in HRs -- by one over the Cubs and two over the Mets -- but they're not as HR-dependent as we are having scored 81 more runs thus far in the season. Amazing what NOT being inept w/RiSP will do for a team.

Frayed Knot
Jul 07 2016 04:23 PM
Re: The Nats (Gnats, to the Mets) 2016 thread

... and speaking of Murph, he pulled a couple of Murphs in the last few games.

- Wednesday it was merely letting a routine grounder through his legs for what should have been the final out of the game.
Now there were two outs at the time with no one on and a three run Washington lead so it was no big deal, except y'know ... Murph.

- Tuesday was a classic Murph though: Nats losing by three this time when young Daniel leads off the top of the 8th with a double ... and gets thrown out trying for 3rd.

Frayed Knot
Jul 08 2016 09:13 PM
Re: The Nats (Gnats, to the Mets) 2016 thread

Nats transactions for the day
- Lucas Giolito demoted
- Ryan Zimerman DL'd
- OF Michael Taylor promoted
- IF Trea Turner promoted


Giolito obviously wasnt going to see any more time in this series anyway and the Nats were already carrying one extra pitcher
Zimmerman's probably been their worst everyday player this season. I bet we see Muffy over at 1B swapping out with Clint Robinson who played there last night
Turner is their top SS prospect, but the surprising resurgence of Danny Espinosa has kept him down on the farm despite good numbers at AAA. Now Turner & Espinosa can man 2B & SS when Murph is at 1st
Both Turner and Taylor are real fast so both their speed and defense just got better and it's probably not a coincidence that they're back for Syndergaard day

Edgy MD
Jul 08 2016 11:15 PM
Re: The Nats (Gnats, to the Mets) 2016 thread

Trea Turner may be the Dilson Herrera of the International League but I kind of like how those transactions play out for the Mets, if only that the Nats have to stumble through changing horses mid-stream.

Speed better? Sure, much. But hopefully Taylor's defense is less informed by his speed and more reflective of the worst error ever — so a play so insanely bad it almost singlehandedly got him demoted.

Reminiscent of Bobby Meacham getting sent down to AA for a base running blunder.

Frayed Knot
Aug 22 2016 05:52 PM
Re: The Nats (Gnats, to the Mets) 2016 thread

Strasburg, who was supposed to start tonight in the 'Beltway Series' game vs Baltimore, to the DL with "elbow soreness".

It's the second DL of the year for Strasburg although the first trip was not for the elbow and he wound up needing just the minimum 15 days out.
But he's also 2-4 since his 13-0 start to 2016 and has an ERA near 8.00 over those six games, most notably the last one where he got hit up for 9 runs while not being able to finish the 2nd inning.
OK it was in Colorado, but still ...

AJ Cole up to start tonight.

Ceetar
Aug 22 2016 06:05 PM
Re: The Nats (Gnats, to the Mets) 2016 thread

Shame the Mets fell apart, because they either wouldn't have the luxury of DLing him to 'get him right' if the Mets were breathing down their necks, or 3+ starts from a replacement would be worrisome for them.

Frayed Knot
Aug 22 2016 07:34 PM
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Yeah, I suspect this is more precautionary than critical as the Nats need him for October but, thanks to our incredible mediocrity, are in a position where they can pretty much cruise through September
no matter whether Stephen Strasburg or Whoopi Goldberg were in their rotation.

Frayed Knot
Sep 02 2016 01:21 PM
Re: The Nats (Gnats, to the Mets) 2016 thread

Nats in town, first time we're seeing them since a four-game series at CF in early July. Mets out-scored them in Game 1 of that set where neither Bartolo nor Lucas Giolito, then making his 2nd ML start, were any good. They then proceeded to lose the next three while scoring a total of four runs in what was pretty much their standard operating procedure back in July.


After a mediocre July (13-12) the Gnats are coming off a 17-11 August and are headed for a 95-win season, and I think I may have stumbled across their secret for having five consecutive winning months and just their overall successful season in general (stay with me here cuz this gets complicated): HAVE YOUR PLAYERS STAY OFF THE DISABLED LIST AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE!!! Then, as a side note, when you do need the 15-day DL have that stay actually take just 15 days.
Both are radical concepts, I know, but, just to illustrate how helpful this can be, here are the highest number of consecutive games missed by each of their opening day starters:

C - Wilson Ramos -- 7 (bereavement list)
1B - Ryan Zimmerman -- two DL stints, missing 13 games & 16 games (and I think it helped the team more than hurt when he was out)
2B - Daniel Murphy - 2
SS - Danny Espinosa - 1
3B - Anthony Rendon - 2
LF - Jayson Werth - 2 (from a guy who I believe was once a roadie for 'Buffalo Springfield')
CF - Ben Revere - 27 (starting on opening day)
RF - Bryce Harper - 5 (mostly a string of Dusty-mandated mental health days IIRC)

I wonder what color the sky is in such a world where DL news doesn't require nightly updates?



We do actually catch a break in that Steven Strasburg is on his 2nd DL stint -- more a precautionary trip than a required one and, like his first stint, this one is expected to last exactly 15 days.

So tonight we'll see AJ Cole instead vs Syndergaard in what will be the only game where we have the decided edge in pitching match-ups.
Cole is a guy the Nats originally drafted, then traded away (for Gio Gonzalez) then traded back for. This will be his 3rd start of the year, his 4th of his ML career.

Saturday - 7:10 -- Tanner Roark - Robert Gsellman
Roark actually has the lowest ERA on their staff this year despite Strasburg's 13-0 start and Scherzer's seemingly weekly no-hit bids.

Sunday - 8:10 (ESPN) -- Max Scherzer vs Seth Lugo ... and won't it be fun for the players if this one gets delayed by rain given the short turn-around time?!?



The biggest change since we last saw them is that Trea Turner, supposedly their SS of the future, is playing pretty much everyday in CF and he's given them a boost in their leadoff spot (.344 BA, .364 OBA) which had really sucked for the first half of the year when manned by Michael Taylor and/or Revere with their combined .266 OBA !!


And we all know the problem, that our shitty mid-season has put us in position where winning 1-of-3 while 'hanging tough' or moral victories won't cut it. We need at least two of these here (or one plus a lot of rain).

d'Kong76
Sep 03 2016 12:44 AM
Re: The Nats (Gnats, to the Mets) 2016 thread

I'm over Murphy not being on the Mets, not everyone is...

Murphy Decision Will Haunt Mets For Years |John Delcos, NY Mets Report

Frayed Knot
Sep 08 2016 03:52 AM
Re: The Nats (Gnats, to the Mets) 2016 thread

Steven Strasburg returned to the rotation today after the minimum 15 days on the DL - only to leave the game tonight after 40 pitches with some as yet undisclosed problem.
May be nothing but could certainly take him out of the series next week in DC where he was lined up for the opening game of the series on Monday.

Frayed Knot
Sep 12 2016 12:47 PM
Re: The Nats (Gnats, to the Mets) 2016 thread

Series for Sept 12-14:

Monday - Montero vs Mat Latos
Latos faced the Mets in relief eight days ago during the Sunday game of the last series and managed to do something very few pitchers have, he served up a HR to Jay Bruce. That was his Nats debut and he's pitched to just one batter since. This will be his first Nats start.

Tuesday - Syndergaard vs AJ Cole
Cole started the Friday game in the last series, the one game the Nats won as he out-pitched Syndergaard while holding the Mets to 1 R, 3 H over 6 IP. His other three ML starts this season have been less than successful but, then again, a pitcher having his best start of the year vs the Mets has been a common theme in 2016

Wednesday - Gsellman vs Tanner Roark
This will be a rematch of the middle game in that series where the Mets and Gsellman prevailed 2-1 -- and that's pretty much the way we'll probably have to win this one as we essentially never hit Roark ever.
With the exception of one bad relief outing in 2015, the Mets have never scored more than 2 runs against him in 14 games/8 starts giving him a career 2.70 ERA / 1.12 WHiP across 60 innings pitched

Frayed Knot
Sep 26 2016 03:37 PM
Re: The Nats (Gnats, to the Mets) 2016 thread

Among the stuff I missed yesterday amidst the 17-0 blow-out and the fact that the high-light shows were short on high-lights on account of the news involving Fernandez and later on Arnie, the Gnats & Buccos got into a dust-up over Harper getting a boo-boo on his thumb.

Harper led off top-3 with a triple and, when the relay throw to 3rd went awry, Pirate 3B-man Kang slapped down a fake tag to fake Harper into not knowing about the overthrow.
The tag allegedly caused an awkward slide by Harper resulting in a jammed (but not broken) thumb and cries of 'Dirty Pool!!' by the Nats.
So then in the bottom of the 3rd, the first pitch to Kang whizzed in back of his head. Pitcher AJ Cole got ejected immediately and the dugouts emptied almost as quickly.
No fights but a lot of yapping and pushing with Sean Rodriguez and, not surprisingly, Francisco Cervelli & Jayson Werth were the main yappers.


FWIW, I don't think the fake tag stuff is dirty pool at all. It was illegal in all the softball leagues I played in but everyone in those games had to go to work the next day. This, seems to me, is no different than Muffy, or any one of a million 2B-men, faking fielding a grounder to keep the runner from 1st heading to 3rd.

bmfc1
Sep 27 2016 02:51 AM
Re: The Nats (Gnats, to the Mets) 2016 thread

Wilson Ramos left tonight's game with an injury. It would be a shame if this hurt WSH's playoff chances.

Frayed Knot
Sep 27 2016 03:34 AM
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bmfc1 wrote:
Wilson Ramos left tonight's game with an injury. It would be a shame if this hurt WSH's playoff chances.


You sound oh so concerned.



Meanwhile, Keith & Ron totally disagreed with my above assessment on the Kang fake tag thing.
Now I'll have to admit that I was going by only the description and have yet to see the specific play, but I was surprised, especially by the vehemence of their reaction and Ronnie even more than Keith.

Edgy MD
Sep 27 2016 03:50 AM
Re: The Nats (Gnats, to the Mets) 2016 thread

Add a page to the unwritten rule book.

bmfc1
Sep 27 2016 07:49 PM
Re: The Nats (Gnats, to the Mets) 2016 thread

Tough break for WSH as Wilson Ramos tears his ACL and is gone for the season.

Frayed Knot
Sep 27 2016 09:13 PM
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As they say on the schoolyard ... 'That's gonna leave a mark'


oe: just saw the replay of his injury. He just jumped up for a high throw and came down and folded. Totally a non-contract injury.
And he's a FA this winter too, coming off probably his best season.

bmfc1
Sep 27 2016 09:44 PM
Re: The Nats (Gnats, to the Mets) 2016 thread

Bad throw by Ryan Zimmerman. Thomas Boswell:
The man who made the high weak throw to home was first baseman Ryan Zimmerman who has hurt his shoulder so often, then played through pain with cortisone shots in pennant races, that he doesn’t throw the ball so much as he attempts to synchronize all of the things that don’t work properly in his arm until he can launch a toss-lob that’s painful — to watch.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/n ... story.html

metirish
Oct 04 2016 12:19 AM
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Strasburg out of the NLDS , possibly longer

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/17700972

Zvon
Oct 04 2016 01:04 AM
Re: The Nats (Gnats, to the Mets) 2016 thread

metirish wrote:
Strasburg out of the NLDS , possibly longer

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/17700972


Hmm.wow.