Feb 10 2016 11:50 PM
Re: Republican Race 2016
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Republican Race 2016
| Edgy MD Jan 15 2016 04:03 PM |
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So pretty surreal to have Donald Trump defending New Yorkers' honor last night, huh?
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| seawolf17 Jan 15 2016 04:08 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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He is a man who will fight for our honor; the hero you're dreaming of, if you will.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 15 2016 04:29 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I can't believe they keep inviting Trump to these things. That none of the actual candidates can rise above him says something, although Jeb seems pretty tired of his act. Paul was also a reliable Trump basher but he's not allowed on stage anymore.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 15 2016 04:50 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Actually sat down to watch last night, the first time I've done so this election cycle. Cruz is by far the best debate performer of this sorry lot, but I'm also, like, 80% sure he's an honest-to-right-God sociopath.
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| seawolf17 Jan 15 2016 05:05 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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It says "holy crap, we are in deep fucking shit as a country."
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| Ceetar Jan 15 2016 05:09 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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It says "holy crap, we are in deep fucking shit as a country."[/quote Eh, I think it says "Clickbait"
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| Frayed Knot Jan 15 2016 05:22 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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In a less erratic time, someone like Kasich would be at least A front-runner and quite possibly the front-runner.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 15 2016 10:46 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Like, I kinda get the Ted Cruz thing, if I squint enough. I get how having some "outsider appeal" would be a tiebreaker for some... y'know, among qualified candidates. When the primary qualifications for half of these guys are "He has no experience governing anything other than his member and his personal affairs*" and "He's honest (read: naked about his personal prejudices/willful about and unwilling to amend his ignorance)," it's just... well, I got nothing, smart-mouth-wise. Really, it's just sad.
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| Nymr83 Jan 16 2016 12:56 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Trump is nobody's 2nd choice, or 3rd choice. I still think that between whichever of Rubio/Bush/Kasich escapes the early primaries in the best shape we probably get the real candidate as the currently split establishment unites behind one. the marginal candidates like Christie dropping out probably favors these guys too.
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| Edgy MD Jan 16 2016 04:24 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Governor Christie shouldn't be marginal.
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| Nymr83 Jan 17 2016 01:20 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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When I say marginal I mean in the polls. I would certainly like to see Trump, Cruz, and Carson marginalized.
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| d'Kong76 Jan 20 2016 01:00 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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The circus adds another ring...
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 21 2016 05:48 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Fancy yourself a skilled English user? Feel like giving yourself a nasty stroke?
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| Nymr83 Jan 22 2016 03:22 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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her face in the picture at the top of that article says "yeah motherfuckers, i'm relevant again!"
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| cooby classic Jan 22 2016 01:49 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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What are the odds he would make her a running mate?
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| Benjamin Grimm Jan 22 2016 01:51 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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He's said that he would put her in his Cabinet.
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| cooby classic Jan 22 2016 02:00 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I may have to get a passport so I can move out of the country if this keeps up
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| Edgy MD Jan 22 2016 02:22 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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My guess is that Donald Trump saying he'll put you in his cabinet should he get elected is a good way to make a big promise you'll never have to make good on.
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| Benjamin Grimm Jan 22 2016 02:29 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I think so too but I wonder if he sees it that way.
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| Edgy MD Jan 22 2016 02:41 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Well, considering that the closest thing to policy content in her speech was veterans' affairs, and considering I can't recall a single secretary of veterans' affairs that has been considered a success, I think we might have a match there.
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| Edgy MD Jan 22 2016 04:44 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Boy Named Seo put me on to the amazing tale of Woody Guthrie vs. Fred Trump.
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| Nymr83 Jan 22 2016 06:11 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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She can't even keep one veteran out of trouble...
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| Edgy MD Jan 22 2016 06:57 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Yeah, I'm not expecting success. I just thought that assignment might have some "put up or shut up" poetry to it.
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| Benjamin Grimm Jan 24 2016 10:37 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I like how Sarah Palin thinks that Donald Trump will respect veterans. Isn't he the one who called John McCain (to whom Sarah Palin owes everything) a loser for being a prisoner of war?
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| Nymr83 Jan 25 2016 12:46 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Pretty funny video from Rubio's campaign after the Washington Post decided it was even worth publishing that he was fined for being in the park at night.
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| sharpie Jan 26 2016 07:48 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Another deserving endorsement for Trump:
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| Frayed Knot Jan 26 2016 07:53 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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The John Rockers of the world backing Trump I can understand.
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| Edgy MD Jan 27 2016 08:25 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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So, putting aside the dramatic unveiling of the coveted Rocker endorsement for a moment, the bigger story last week was several Republican establishment/icon types putting in an endorsement of "For Pete's Sake, NOT Senator Ted Cruz."
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| Nymr83 Jan 29 2016 03:07 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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they are umm actually talking and answering questions and... and... oh, right, Trump isnt here.
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| Edgy MD Jan 29 2016 04:45 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Don't like this two-tiered debate structure at all at all.
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| Edgy MD Jan 29 2016 01:37 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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At the same time, I may have seen more footage from the 7:00 debates so far than from the prime-time debates. And I enjoy how every time, each candidate's opening remarks begin along the lines of, "Hello, I'm Senator Jolly Roger. First off, I just want to say that this whole two-tiered system stinks. It stinks to high Heaven. All you people want to talk about is Donald Trump. Here's what I think of Donald Trump."
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| Edgy MD Feb 02 2016 04:04 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Former Iowa Caucus winners, Governor Mike Huckabee and Senator Rick Santorum, found little of their former momentum, and each finished under 2%. The former has reportedly dropped out, cutting the field to 11.
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| seawolf17 Feb 02 2016 01:59 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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In most realities, the Fiorinas and Christies would have dropped out months ago. But I really think they're waiting for something to happen with Trump that causes him to lose all his mojo: he gets bored and quits, a scandal, whatever... and then they're hoping to pick up the scrapings.
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| Edgy MD Feb 02 2016 02:22 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Perhaps, but I'm all for people sticking around until votes get actually cast.
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| seawolf17 Feb 02 2016 02:43 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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You mean President-Elect Bernie Sanders.
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| TransMonk Feb 02 2016 04:10 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I think Bush has to be feeling the biggest sting this morning after all the money he dropped in Iowa (more than anyone else, IIRC).
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| Edgy MD Feb 02 2016 04:55 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Nonetheless, I think he was under few illusions about where he was going to finish in Iowa.
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| Ashie62 Feb 02 2016 10:36 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Marco Rubio rising, cute too!
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| Frayed Knot Feb 03 2016 12:14 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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The good news out of Iowa is that my favorite 'R' candidate this year is named 'Not Trump' - so his lower than expected showing is at least something to hang one's hat on.
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| Lefty Specialist Feb 03 2016 01:01 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Watch the 'establishment' money flow to Rubio now. They'll do anything they can to prop him up- the attack ads will be out on Trump and Cruz. And after New Hampshire, pressure will be enormous for some of the lower-tier candidates to drop out.
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| Nymr83 Feb 03 2016 03:31 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I hope that comes to pass as Rubio is my candidate of choice, but I still see too much Cruz potential here.
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| Edgy MD Feb 03 2016 04:43 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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"Why the heck not?" is actually his new campaign slogan.
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| Edgy MD Feb 03 2016 02:40 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Senator Rand Paul takes a knee. He's got a senate re-election to pursue.
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| Edgy MD Feb 03 2016 08:14 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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And Senator Rick Santorum heads to Stockholm to join Senator Paul in the Crane Pool Loser's Lounge, known locally as the Kran Poolen Förlorare Salong.
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| seawolf17 Feb 03 2016 08:21 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Eff that. There's no way they get past Maja and Gunnar.
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| Edgy MD Feb 04 2016 03:32 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Loser's Lounge is open to the public, if you've got the scratch and the self-pity.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 04 2016 04:13 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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And speaking of comfortably numb, certain NH rally crowds require exhortation ... from the candidate himself. One guess who.
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| TransMonk Feb 04 2016 04:43 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Seems like Bush's entire campaign is boiled down into that one speech: boring and desperate.
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| Edgy MD Feb 04 2016 05:15 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I ain't backing Bush, but in an environment where exciting is arbitrarily banning a religious class from the country and bombing in order to "see if sand can glow," I'll embrace the boring.
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| Lefty Specialist Feb 05 2016 03:05 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Jim Gilmore, still hanging tough.
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| Edgy MD Feb 05 2016 03:30 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Gilmore's campaign was built to start in New Hampshire, anyhow, so it was going to last until then anywise.
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| Ashie62 Feb 06 2016 11:01 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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The big bullseye is on Rubio tonight.
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| Edgy MD Feb 06 2016 11:52 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Governor Gilmore and Carly Fiorina, still locked out of the debate even after the field has thinned. BOOOO!!
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| Edgy MD Feb 07 2016 04:46 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Hey, Governor Christie worked the Mets into the debate.
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| Ashie62 Feb 07 2016 10:15 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Love him or hate him I believe Christie mortally wounded Rubio.
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| Edgy MD Feb 09 2016 09:24 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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| Benjamin Grimm Feb 09 2016 09:39 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Hey!
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| El Segundo Escupidor Feb 09 2016 11:14 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Governor Christie is right up there with Snooki as Mets loving celebrities who I want to be identified with.
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| Ashie62 Feb 10 2016 01:44 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Its Trump an easy winner. Jeb Bush has been resurrected. Kasich needs money..now!
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| Edgy MD Feb 10 2016 01:56 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Governor Gilmore said in the undercard debate, just before the Iowa caucus, that his campaign was really starting in earnest in New Hampshire.
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| Lefty Specialist Feb 10 2016 02:21 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Ha. Marco and his jammed CD-ROM drive looking to finish 5th. Reality TV star will more than double the vote total of the runner up. Pretty funny.
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| Edgy MD Feb 10 2016 02:23 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Yeah, tough break for Governor Christie. He's the one who triggers Rubio's Tourette's and he doesn't garner any of the benefit from it.
* Reportedly a guy from Brookline, Massachusetts, possibly from Boston. Quite possibly a semi-literate cop.
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| Nymr83 Feb 10 2016 03:23 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Kasich, Bush, & Rubio need to get together in a room and say "listen: each of us is better than the possibility of Trump/Cruz, we unite behind whoever has the most delegates between us after Super Tuesday, good luck."
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| Ceetar Feb 10 2016 01:49 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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1% of people in New Hampshire cast a vote for Trump but we think this means something?
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| MFS62 Feb 10 2016 01:56 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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George Pataki got as many votes as Chomi Prag.
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| Frayed Knot Feb 10 2016 01:58 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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The Daily News sure isn't shy about using front page headlines as red meat editorials, calling Trump "hate-spewing", "a clown", and his voters "brain dead zombies" (among other things).
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| sharpie Feb 10 2016 04:14 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Looks like Christie is out.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Feb 10 2016 04:25 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I don't think Christie ever had a great shot, but IMO over the course of the campaign he came off much better than I would have guessed.
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| Benjamin Grimm Feb 10 2016 04:31 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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A year ago, I would have been rooting hard against Christie getting the nomination, but now he looks a lot more reasonable compared to some of the others in the race. I think his biggest problem (in addition to the George Washington Bridge) is that the thug demographic found Donald Trump to be a bigger and more obnoxious bully.
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| Frayed Knot Feb 10 2016 04:34 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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More than 1/3 of the voters expressing a preference for a Republican from among a (10?) person field voted for Trump, more than for any other two candidates combined and more than half as many as all the others added together. And, while this may be merely one step in a lengthy process, yes, it does mean something. Not everything, but something.
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| Ceetar Feb 10 2016 04:50 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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what a fucked up broken system. such a farce.
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| Frayed Knot Feb 10 2016 05:04 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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And you prefer what, drawing straws? Rock-paper-scissors?
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| Ceetar Feb 10 2016 05:11 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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how about actual public elections outside of inner-circle parties with no super delegates and all the candidates get equal, or at least some, coverage? If we must have a primary to whittle down the candidate pool, have a nation-wide one open to all (i.e. non-party members) and work from there.
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| Nymr83 Feb 10 2016 05:22 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I agree with the idea of a single nationwide primary with no superdelegates. but then I also think we shouldn't allow political parties to have any official role in the election, rather we should have 2 elections - the primary should be used not for "party" nominations but to determine which individuals capture enough votes that they deserve free air time in debates leading up to a general election. I would also eliminate any reference to parties on actual ballots, if you cant identify the candidates you shouldn't be voting for a little R or D next to them.
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| Ceetar Feb 10 2016 05:27 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I'm undecided on if getting rid of political parties would get more things done in government because our supposed representatives wouldn't be so focused on pushing the parties agenda and blocking legislation by the other side or if it'd just be easier for the NRA to buy blocks of senators.
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| Frayed Knot Feb 10 2016 05:30 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Since I'm not sure what in particular you're [Ceets] objecting to I'm also not sure how your 'solutions' are meant to fix what you see as wrong.
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| Ceetar Feb 10 2016 06:20 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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the coverage is certainly heavily Trump favored. So much so that shows joke about barely knowing who a guy is when he drops out.
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| Ceetar Feb 10 2016 06:29 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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And another thing. Such a small fraction of NH/the populace is voting in these primaries. Would it be absurd for Hillary to think she'd get a higher share if it was a general election? If she loses by a close amount, why wouldn't she consider running anyway, as an independent? She could think low turnout and the primary system kept her numbers down.
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| Edgy MD Feb 10 2016 06:51 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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In many (or perhaps most) localities, as many as 30 names appeared on the ballot. If the issue is the press not adequately doing their job, I agree. I don't think attacking the parties and the process changes that. I don't see anything positive coming from allowing people to vote in the primary of — i.e., nominate the candidate for — the party they oppose. Talk about inviting farce. Let's let the Royals fans decide the Mets lineup, too!
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| Frayed Knot Feb 10 2016 06:59 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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You're arguing two different things here Ceets: first complaining about the political parties set up their selection process but then your arguments against it deal mostly with how media is covering things.
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| Ceetar Feb 10 2016 07:09 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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That's because the whole process is that fucked up there is no end to it. They're intertwined. The media is part of it of course, because they're the main source of connection to these candidates. In my ideal, there would be a page, included on every political ad/ballot/etc, that listed all the candidates running, links to their bio, voting record, etc. Using the media, an entertainment industry, as our main point of contract for something important is certainly a problem though. There are problems with the selection process within the parties, but the main point is that they shouldn't really exist, particularly not to the exclusive control they have now. The selection process needs to be broader.
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| Frayed Knot Feb 10 2016 07:38 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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And a single national primary would "fix" the problem of unequal coverage? (a question which even assumes the ridiculous notion that Jim Gilmore polling at <1% is somehow worthy of as much coverage as Trump who's been leading in virtually every poll since this all started)
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| Ceetar Feb 10 2016 07:47 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Well polling is an inexact science at best, but yes, just because a guy's unknown doesn't mean he's not a good choice. And why is he polling that low? Perhaps the few people that do know who he is are deeming him unable to beat Hillary or Sanders. That doesn't mean they don't think he'd be a good president. Certainly some catch-22. No one's voting for him because they're not covering him, and they're not covering him because no one's voting for him. So some combination of the media, polls, and the two dominant to the point of stranglehold parties select who's "Worthy" of running. That seems real democratic. Going to a nationwide system where everyone on any ballot is on one ballot and we all vote at the same time and take the top 5 vote-getters wouldn't necessarily fix the coverage issue, but it might help. There'd be no need to hold up a candidate as a champion capable of defeating the one enemy combatant. Sure, groups would band together and there would still probably be parties, but diluting it a little would make it easier to vote for the best candidate, not just go along with the party. And as for the idea of a president being elected with less than a majority of the vote that some people bring up? Well Obama got 21% of the US population's vote in 2012. 28% if you just include voting eligible public. It's not an issue.
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| Edgy MD Feb 10 2016 08:01 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I don't like the primary system either, nor do I like the way the media covers politics, but you're conflating distinct issues of two distinct two estates.
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| Ceetar Feb 10 2016 08:08 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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It's one thing. It's an election/primary system. that the issues are myriad and across distinct estates doesn't really change anything from the perspective of the actual election. This is why if it was difficult to vote, As it is in some other states thanks to OTHER ridiculous issues, I just wouldn't bother.
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| Frayed Knot Feb 10 2016 08:27 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Going to a single, national primary would only increase voters' dependance on the mass media for their information.
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| Edgy MD Feb 10 2016 08:44 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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No, it's not. There's nothing in our electoral system that directs the media in how to behave. And the notion that if we blow everything up, it won't necessarily solve the problem of the media's behavior, but it might isn't very compelling.
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| Edgy MD Feb 10 2016 08:48 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Hey, we're down to seven. Thanks for playing, Governor Christie and Ms. Fiorina.
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| Ceetar Feb 10 2016 08:49 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I get none of my info from CNN/FOX/MSNBC, but that's me. Of course, I'm hardly alone. Voter turnout suggests I'm not alone in much of my info coming from Twitter/late show/daily show. That's why the 1% of New Hampshires that voted for Trump and the what, 5% that attended caucuses or town hall debates are a poor representation of America, demographics aside.
if we blew up the parties, it'd fix the problem of the parties. The media would still be as worthless as ever likely, The solution to that is murky, but I like the idea of a government website (and I support the idea that internet access should be a public necessity like power and water) that lists voting records, stance, bio, etc of all the candidates. The media is a poor way to disseminate impartial information, but it's what we got. In part this situation is starting to resolve itself a little, as there's more access to information, more sources, and as a result it's easier to call the media on their bullshit that perhaps went unnoticed 20 years ago.
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| Edgy MD Feb 10 2016 08:59 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Making a note not to vote for Ceetar.
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| Ceetar Feb 10 2016 09:12 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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why? Because I'd like to see more diversity in the process? more candidates? more ideas? more import on choosing a candidate for their stance rather than they're elect-ability in a grand fight with the other party?
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| Edgy MD Feb 10 2016 09:20 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Oh, stop. Please.
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| Ceetar Feb 10 2016 09:28 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Sorry for questioning the process. Everything is fine. I bow to our corporate overlords.
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| Ashie62 Feb 10 2016 11:11 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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OK, I am running in the 2020 National primary if alive.
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| El Segundo Escupidor Feb 10 2016 11:50 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Cardinal fans -- Best Fans In Baseball....... Lmfao!
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| Frayed Knot Feb 11 2016 01:30 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I lose track of what you're arguing about sometimes Ceetar. (OK, more than sometimes).
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| Ceetar Feb 11 2016 01:49 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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these are not true things. my suggestions are hardly foolproof. I never said they were. I'm spitballing, I don't _know_ the answer, I just know what's not working. I suggested maybe we could still do the state to state thing with a national cast. They'd still go to Iowa then. But maybe they should go to South Dakota too? (I don't really care if they go to Iowa to be honest, I'm not sure what that adds) There were not more than 20 choices. By the time we got to Iowa, it'd dwindled past that hadn't it? and now even further. And that's only if you're a Republican in one of those states, and you're only really providing input into who that party will then put forward for election. It's not the same thing as voting for them for president. And again, only for republicans in those states. Democrats and less, and people like me even less (i.e., we're not allowed to participate in most states, the one I live in being one so this whole process ignores me) What I'm suggesting is we cut out all this middle crap, and present a bunch of candidates, and then through whatever process, maybe a similar one, whittle them down to 4-5 that is the 'final election round' or whatever you want to call it for the Election Day election. Having a television program is not the same thing as 'attention'. Those debates are only nominally useful, and we certainly put too much stock in the pandering to the public/media than say their voter record if they're already in politics, or other such stances that they've taken when they're not trying to garner votes. (did they donate to a certain charity? come out against planned parenthood, etc) As I understand it these debates didn't even mention important current events like climate change or the Flint issue. If it was one big group, sure, some people would get more attention than others, but at least with 4-5 people coming out of it, there would be avenues to election that doesn't include a very specific set of pandering, stooping, and greasing the right palms. At least, I think there would. Maybe it wouldn't work, but it's hard to think it wouldn't be better than the mess we have now.
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| Lefty Specialist Feb 11 2016 09:02 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Ralph Kramden makes his choice.
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| Ashie62 Feb 11 2016 10:39 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Give John Kasich a better suit, a haircut and 20 million dollars or so and he could challenge.
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| Edgy MD Feb 11 2016 11:23 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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If only bad hair was a disqualifier.
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| Ashie62 Feb 12 2016 10:16 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Is Carson and Fiorina out?
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| Edgy MD Feb 13 2016 03:11 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Ms. Filorina is, as noted in the post. Dr. Carson is not, as also noted.
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| MFS62 Feb 13 2016 03:22 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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That made me feel like Noel Coward. Later
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| Edgy MD Feb 14 2016 03:59 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Well, that was an ugly little cocktail party tonight in South Carolina.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 14 2016 04:21 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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This is traditionally the time-- "black baby," eg-- when things take a turn for the nasty in Republican races.
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| Lefty Specialist Feb 14 2016 04:30 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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That was kind of embarrassing. One of those guys will actually be the nominee. I find myself longing for the days of Mitt Romney, and those weren't easy words for me to type.
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| d'Kong76 Feb 14 2016 04:00 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Not a fan of reality television, haven't watched 15 seconds
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| Ashie62 Feb 15 2016 09:32 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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The good news is Trump likely buried himself. I'm calling Rubio the favorite. He can speak spanish.
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| Edgy MD Feb 16 2016 03:25 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Governor Romney could speak French!
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 16 2016 01:12 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Trump buried himself? In a testament to how revolting the Saturday night business was, Trump came off as maybe the least mendacious guy on the stage (non-Kasich division). The audience-- which was a major, big-check contributor to the shitshow, was booing facts a good portion of the time. Moderator correction they find unpleasant? Trump interjection that raises an uncomfortable truth in a blunt way? Anything factual rebutting a Rubio point? BOOOOOOOO
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| Ashie62 Feb 16 2016 07:18 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Very true.
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| Lefty Specialist Feb 16 2016 07:27 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Trump didn't bury himself. He's got a 17-point lead in the latest SC poll.
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| themetfairy Feb 16 2016 10:35 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Check out what happens when you type in the URL jebbush.com
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| Nymr83 Feb 17 2016 01:35 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I just came here to post this. His real campaign site is "jeb2016" but how dumb can you be to not buy this url too?
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| Edgy MD Feb 17 2016 02:35 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Better to let an unused domain name expire than to run for president as a troll, I think.
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| Mets Willets Point Feb 17 2016 03:26 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Chekov's Rule: If a gun is displayed on Twitter during the primaries it must go off before the election is over.
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| Ceetar Feb 17 2016 03:31 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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what if you're only really running for president as a publicity stunt and brand awareness?
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| Edgy MD Feb 17 2016 04:25 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Then you should grow a conscience and withdraw.
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| Benjamin Grimm Feb 17 2016 10:52 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I really don't think that that's what he's doing.
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| Frayed Knot Feb 17 2016 01:26 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Yeah, even if you're of the belief that those were the original reasons for Trump getting in, at this point he's long past that.
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| Lefty Specialist Feb 17 2016 02:10 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I'm one of those. I figured that he was an attention whore and what better way to get attention. I also figured that once more established politicians got ahead of him he'd make some bullshit statement about spending more time with his real estate deals and move on. But he made some outrageous pronouncements and instead of getting roundly booed, he was cheered. I don't know what the inflection point was; there have been so many boorish statements it's hard to keep track of them all. But every time he went where you thought, "oh boy, that's the end of him now", he only became more popular. There's a scene in the movie Dave, where Kevin Kline as the presidential impersonator has a moment where he realizes, "wait a minute, I might actually be able to pull this off". Trump's having that moment now.
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| Ceetar Feb 17 2016 02:23 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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sure, and he's still getting the attention so why stop? We're only a minuscule amount into the process. All states equal we'd be 4% through and they're not. We're only just getting to the point where it's even partially about politics and not mainly about branding and raising money. That the Republicans don't seem to have a consensus behind any politician may keep him around longer, but Trump's a guy people come out to vote against.
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| Benjamin Grimm Feb 17 2016 02:26 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Whether he ultimately wins or not is one thing, but I can't believe that an egomaniac who just won New Hampshire by a comfortable margin isn't seriously entertaining thoughts of actually winning the White House.
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| Edgy MD Feb 17 2016 02:27 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Still though, I think we can all agree that, if and when he exits, we can expect him to exit with a bullshit excuse.
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| Benjamin Grimm Feb 17 2016 02:31 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I definitely agree with that.
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| Ashie62 Feb 20 2016 06:07 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Trump has many angry white males of lesser education and voting experience who love him.
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| Edgy MD Feb 20 2016 07:55 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I think they're more typically horrible white males. Guys who aren't angry so much as copping outrage to justify misanthropy.
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| Frayed Knot Feb 21 2016 01:53 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Just Ended his Bid !
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| Nymr83 Feb 21 2016 03:27 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I'm (pleasantly) surprised Jeb and all his money dropped out! I hope this means more voters for Rubio in the future!
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| Ashie62 Feb 21 2016 03:45 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Goodbye Jeb.
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| Edgy MD Feb 21 2016 03:50 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Bad move, Jeb.
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| Chad Ochoseis Feb 21 2016 04:16 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Wow.
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| Frayed Knot Feb 21 2016 04:22 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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On the other hand ...
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| Nymr83 Feb 21 2016 04:23 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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be careful what you wish for with Trump, I was "rooting" for Obama to beat Hillary figuring Americans couldn't possibly be stupid enough to elect him instead of John McCain, and then they did. Good luck on the house rental for the convention... maybe rent it through the following weekend and go watch Mike Piazza get inducted!
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| Ashie62 Feb 21 2016 06:08 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I am officially for Trump/Rubio
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| d'Kong76 Feb 21 2016 08:23 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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If Trump is our next president I'll eat a can of cold lima
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| Lefty Specialist Feb 22 2016 01:31 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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What's scary is that a person who has absolutely no qualifications for being president whatsoever is the leading candidate for one of the major party nominations. I mean, Trump's biggest business these days is licensing out his name. He doesn't own most of the properties with his name on them. He was a flop in Atlantic City and can't even run a beauty pageant properly. This is not a man I want leading this country or with his finger anywhere near the nuclear football.
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| sharpie Feb 22 2016 09:44 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 23 2016 04:52 PM |
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What I don't get is how Rubio is somehow "establishment" and Cruz isn't. Their styles are very different and Marco can play well with others but policywise they seem to be almost exactly the same. Trump, Cruz and Rubio scare me to pretty much the same extent.
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| Benjamin Grimm Feb 22 2016 09:47 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Cruz disturbs me the most because of his religious zealotry.
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| Lefty Specialist Feb 22 2016 10:11 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Cruz isn't 'establishment' because literally anyone who knows him hates him. Rubio is a little better at playing with others even though most of his positions are similar to Cruz's.
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| Ashie62 Feb 22 2016 11:20 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Cruz might even make a run at Roe v. Wade. The RNC seems to be settling on Rubio. Endorsements, cash. I wonder if the younguns realize that Bernie Sander's ideas are not pragmatic, also likely undoable.
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| Frayed Knot Feb 22 2016 11:54 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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It's definitely the 'plays well with others' thing.
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| Ashie62 Feb 23 2016 02:38 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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For some reason I feel that Cruz is mortally wounded. He kinda had to win SC to get the cash and in losing his window of opportunity is gone.
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| Nymr83 Feb 23 2016 04:18 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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The fact that Cruz, a sitting US Senator who has now won a primary, can't get a single fellow Senator to endorse him speaks volumes to how he plays with others, think carefully before pulling that lever (if there are even any other Republicans on this board)
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| Edgy MD Feb 23 2016 02:56 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Am I really to understand that America hates New York and New York values, but loves the most vile representative of New York and practitioner of New York values?
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| Ashie62 Feb 23 2016 03:20 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Rudy Guiliani is advising Trump on an informal basis.
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| Edgy MD Feb 23 2016 03:37 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I too am advising Donald Trump on an informal basis. I am advising him to withdraw from politics, to go home, and take a long, hard look at his life.
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| Edgy MD Feb 23 2016 08:30 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Governor Bush's failed campaign kind of smashes much of the money-controls-politics angle, doesn't it?
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| Ceetar Feb 23 2016 08:34 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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only in the way the Dodgers huge payroll last year not winning it all kills the money doesn't matter in sports angle.
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| Lefty Specialist Feb 23 2016 08:50 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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The election's not over yet. Big Money will still have a say. A lot of that money is flowing to Rubio right now.
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| Frayed Knot Feb 23 2016 08:55 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Not as far as spending it on the campaign he isn't ... at least not to date anyway.
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| Lefty Specialist Feb 23 2016 09:32 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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You're right. He's spent far less than he should because the media does it all for him.
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| TransMonk Feb 23 2016 09:38 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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It's February. Let's see what the $ totals look like in November.
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| Edgy MD Feb 23 2016 10:09 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I've read this six times now. Please clarify. I think you put one two many negatives in or something.
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| Edgy MD Feb 23 2016 10:14 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I'm not quite sure what this means, but either, but whatever Trump represents, the guy who far-and-away received and spent the most campaign money has withdrawn after the third primary, without a state to show for his efforts. And that's in the post-Citizens United era, in which the gutting of campaign finance regulations was presumably going to secure more deeply the influence of wealthy and corporate donors. I'd suggest that the Trump and Sanders phenomena suggest that the electorate appears smarter (they resist the most endowed candidacies) than predicted. Some would argue they're also dumber, as they've instead gone for quixotic but allegedly unprepared candidates.
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| Ashie62 Feb 23 2016 10:34 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Trump was cited by Politico as having raised..
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| TransMonk Feb 24 2016 07:00 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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If Trump doesn't win it all, I'm guessing whoever does will have spent several hundreds of millions of dollars to help him or her get to a victory in November. And if Trump does win, I won't feel any better about having an actual billionaire as president than I would feel if other billionaires would have simply bought the presidency instead.
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| Edgy MD Feb 24 2016 01:31 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I will feel much better if Trump fails.
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| Ashie62 Feb 24 2016 01:37 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Trump does cocaine?
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| Edgy MD Feb 24 2016 02:17 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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It's a metaphor. Not that I wouldn't like somebody to pursue his drug history.
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| Ashie62 Feb 24 2016 03:37 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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It was the 80's lol.
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| Frayed Knot Feb 24 2016 04:12 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Trump's eight-years older brother, Fred Jr., died at age 43 from alcoholism and Donald claims, at least in part because of that, never to have touched the stuff even though one of his failed business ventures was a self-titled (naturally) brand of Vodka.
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| Ashie62 Feb 24 2016 05:19 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I'm guessing Trump was more an Ivy Wharton Business School nerd.
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| Ceetar Feb 24 2016 05:21 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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and those guys drank/drink a ton.
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| Edgy MD Feb 24 2016 05:38 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Me, getting all political on social media.
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| Benjamin Grimm Feb 24 2016 06:15 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Apparently that poster has you confused with a Mets infielder from more than a half century ago.
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| Nymr83 Feb 26 2016 02:51 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I don't know if this is true, but either way its friggin hilarious:
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| Edgy MD Feb 26 2016 03:47 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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True enough.
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| MFS62 Feb 26 2016 02:12 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Trump missed an opportunity to severely damage, if not end, Cruz's candidacy.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Feb 26 2016 02:39 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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As long as these guys keep knocking Trump because he's not "Republican" enough, and not because he's a fraud and a moron making a national mockery of the entire process and has no intention of *being* president, just being elected, he'll keep getting away with it. The ONLY guy they ran out there who appeared to have that kind of fight was Rand Paul.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 26 2016 02:51 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Problem is, the more viable the third-party candidate, the more likely this gets decided in House/Senate hallways and anterooms in a darkness-shrouded constitutional shitshow.
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| Edgy MD Feb 26 2016 03:15 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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He is a fraud and a moron. But how do you tag him with that label without seeming to descend to his level? He isn't Republican enough. At all. He isn't Democratic enough either. Or anything enough. But "not Republican enough" is the level of fraud they're hoping Republican voters can understand. Senator Rubio attempted to expose him as a moron last night by showing that his alleged health policy was crude enough to be written in crayon. Results were mixed.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 26 2016 03:30 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Unfortunately, at this point in the cycle, anyone who's decided he is a Trump supporter is unlikely to be swayed elsewise by, y'know, facts. (However you wrap/deploy them.)
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Feb 26 2016 03:34 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Yeah it's getting late.
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| Edgy MD Feb 26 2016 03:42 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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[fimg=500:1bbda5hm]http://static01.nyt.com/images/2016/02/24/upshot/25UP-Vavreck/25UP-Vavreck-superJumbo.jpg[/fimg:1bbda5hm]
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| Lefty Specialist Feb 26 2016 04:02 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Well, they got under The Donald's skin a bit. I hope Hillary/Bernie were watching.
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| TransMonk Feb 26 2016 04:49 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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These knuckleheads make me embarrassed to be an American.
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| d'Kong76 Feb 26 2016 04:56 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Stony Brook University: Professor's Statistical Model Says Donald Trump Will Win Presidency if Nominated
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| Frayed Knot Feb 26 2016 05:06 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I think the mainstream candidates simply assumed that 'The Trump Phenomenon' would peter itself out either as he got exposed by simple media coverage as a buffoon or once the field started winnowing itself down and so they busied themselves with trying to knock each other off so that they'd be one of the ones standing towards the end and picking up the orphan votes. Problem is that the orange-haired one isn't losing support from his original base and that at least some of the support from the vanquished has gone for him rather than against.
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| Mets Willets Point Feb 26 2016 05:14 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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The fact is that Trump is popular because he's a perfect distillation of everything the American right believes and stands for. This has been true all along despite the ostrich strategy adopted by the Democrats and his Republican opponents.
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| Benjamin Grimm Feb 26 2016 05:17 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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That's the university that produced Tom Koehler!
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| Edgy MD Feb 26 2016 05:56 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Dang it, Governor Christie, NO!
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| seawolf17 Feb 26 2016 06:21 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I feel like Chris Christie was closest to actually doing that, but he's so completely unlikable that nobody really took him seriously. And now that he's out of the race, who gives a crap what Chris Chri... wait, I'm sorry... this just in...  http://www.cnbc.com/2016/02/26/nj-gover ... ident.html
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| Lefty Specialist Feb 26 2016 06:32 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Christie wants to be The Donald's VP. He is so done with the Governor thing.
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| Ceetar Feb 26 2016 06:38 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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oh no, did Trump winning suddenly become beneficial to me?
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Feb 26 2016 06:38 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Worst Met fan ever.
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| Edgy MD Feb 26 2016 08:00 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Random people I'd sooner haver preside over my fine country:
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| Frayed Knot Feb 26 2016 08:11 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Christie is acting like a guy who's pissed off because he thinks he didn't get the voter support and/or the party support he thought he somehow deserved and so now this Trump endorsement is just a continuation of his previous over-the-top Rubio bashing rampage against the "Republican Establishment" (however that's actually defined) that he thinks done him wrong.
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| Edgy MD Feb 26 2016 08:17 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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"Republican establishment" is such a weird abstraction.
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| Mets Willets Point Feb 26 2016 08:59 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I expect a lot of Republicans will fall in, and line up behind Christie with the endorsements. One thing the Republicans are good at are getting everyone in the party unified and focused on their ultimate goal. Those goals of cours are doing everything in their power to fuck over anyone who is not a rich, white, straight, Christian, man (or married to one), who speak English as first (and preferably) only language.
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| TransMonk Feb 26 2016 10:31 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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The bully backs the bully? F'n shocker.
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| Ashie62 Feb 27 2016 01:16 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Its Trumps to lose. Our do nothing congress is partly to blame in angering people Trump's way.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Feb 27 2016 02:09 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Gee, it's not like Christie to go do something stupid and dangerous to others in retaliation for a perceived personal slight.
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| Mets Willets Point Feb 27 2016 07:30 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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| d'Kong76 Feb 27 2016 07:41 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Good Golly Miss Molly, what was I thinking?
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| Ashie62 Feb 28 2016 06:53 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Rubio referred to Trump as Hair Force One.
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| batmagadanleadoff Feb 28 2016 07:42 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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... and then Trump said: "I'm rubber, you're glue. Loser."
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| Ashie62 Feb 28 2016 10:48 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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No, he actually called him "little Marco."
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| Nymr83 Feb 29 2016 01:09 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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When will the National Trump Nightmare end? can Dems/Reps mutually agree to impeach him on his first day in office?
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| Edgy MD Feb 29 2016 02:19 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Hmmm...
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| Chad Ochoseis Feb 29 2016 02:56 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 29 2016 03:02 AM |
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Mitch McConnell is now saying that he'll punt the Presidential election if Trump is the nominee and try to preserve Republican control of the Senate. What's sad is that this is based on the belief that Trump has no chance of winning the general election, and not on the belief that Trump is a freaking nut job.
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| Nymr83 Feb 29 2016 04:58 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I don't know if that works because there is a national contingent of bozos voting for Trump and there will be a high enough percentage of reasonable people who pick Kasich and Hillary probably still wins a majority. i don't think this is a situation where you can peel off enough states to prevent it. Oh, and Trump is re-tweeting Mussolini quotes now. geez.
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| Edgy MD Feb 29 2016 02:03 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Governor Christie's finance chair — Hewlett-Packard CEO Meg Whitman — has publicly and vociferously broken with her candidate, essentially throwing the governor under the bus with her denunciation of Trump and of Christie's motivations. It would be great to see that and "Get on the plane and go home" (which sure sounded like "Your money's on the dresser" to me) lead Christie to an epiphany and a withdrawal of his support, but I'm not holding my breath.
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| Nymr83 Feb 29 2016 02:32 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Good for Whitman not just shutting up and seeing if she could jump on the band wagon too.
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| Edgy MD Feb 29 2016 03:35 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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It's a fine game he's got going. If somebody comes out in favor of him, it's just another American seeing the light, and the flowering of a "great, great relationship."
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| Lefty Specialist Feb 29 2016 07:57 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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McConnell's strategy isn't crazy. He's trying to expand the number of Republican voters by giving them more than one choice. If it's only Trump, a lot of Republicans will stay home in disgust with Senate candidates becoming collateral damage.
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| Ashie62 Feb 29 2016 10:28 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 01 2016 01:27 AM |
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One of the things that seperates the U.S from the others is "the peaceful transition of power."
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| Edgy MD Feb 29 2016 11:35 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Here's to the peaceful transition of power.
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| Ashie62 Mar 01 2016 01:32 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Although that is ugly is a very small sample and has nothing to do with the transition of power. I am referring more to coup-de-tats, dicatiorships and such and regime change. O.T. Michael Moore's fahrenheit Oscar got keyed backstage.
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| Edgy MD Mar 01 2016 02:21 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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How he incites people under him to behave has everything to do with what we can expect of his effect on civil society going forward.
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| TransMonk Mar 01 2016 04:32 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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IMO, there is no way of looking at Mr. Trump's behavior this week that does not lead me to believe he is pandering to the racist, white vote within the Southern states.
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| batmagadanleadoff Mar 01 2016 04:42 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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There's no doubt about that. That's why he didn't immediately disavow or distance himself from Duke and the KKK. I don't know if it's because Trump is racist --- but Trump is getting the white racist vote and he doesn't want to do anything to compromise it. Their votes count just as much as anyone else's. Maybe he'll see things differently down the line and wonder whether having the white racist vote will cost him other demographics. But he sure as hell wasn't considering that when he was first put on the spot over Duke and the KKK.
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| Lefty Specialist Mar 01 2016 06:16 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I don't think Trump in his heart of hearts, thinks he's a racist. But he's used to the concept of others working for his benefit. He's not invested in their welfare unless it can help him. Trump fighting for 'the poorly educated' is laughable.
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| Benjamin Grimm Mar 01 2016 06:19 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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We heard that a lot from Mets fans too, in the (very recent) years when they were losing 90 games.
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| Mets Willets Point Mar 01 2016 10:38 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Is there anyone who is racist who thinks they are racist? The phrase "I'm not racist but..." followed by something undeniably racist is so common it's a meme.
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| Frayed Knot Mar 02 2016 12:24 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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The thing here is that while this very much might 'split' the Republican Party, it's not going to be an ideological split. Unlike say in 1964 when the fault line was between the 'Goldwater' Republicans (mostly from western states) who were at odds with the so-called 'Rockefeller' Repubs (from the now essentially extinct more socially liberals from the northeast) — this split isn't about ideology because Trump doesn't have any ideological identity.
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| Edgy MD Mar 02 2016 02:37 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I think the fault line is between those who think there is an intellectual and philosophical base of Republican principles, and those who think that trolling the left is enough.
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| Frayed Knot Mar 02 2016 04:33 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Well whatever he's doing it's working in the north too as he racks up a win in Massachusetts with what may be his biggest margin yet, a result that saw him out-poll Rubio, Cruz, and Kasich combined.
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| Edgy MD Mar 02 2016 04:50 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Anybody else wondering if he has dirt on Governor Christie? I've been wrong about every damn thing in this campaign, but even after the fact, I'm having trouble figuring this one out.
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| TransMonk Mar 02 2016 01:43 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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| Frayed Knot Mar 02 2016 02:28 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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| Nymr83 Mar 02 2016 02:55 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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"Woah, I've never actually listened to this talk before I endorsed him, he sounds really dumb..."
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| MFS62 Mar 02 2016 03:21 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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But it looks like he said "death" by mistake.* Later * = if you've never seen the Eddie Izzard routine, see it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMMHUzm22oE
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| Lefty Specialist Mar 02 2016 04:56 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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"I got my stomach stapled for nothing! FOR NOTHING!!!!!"
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 02 2016 07:24 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Honestly, he's either a racist, or someone who is fronting at being a racist, or is okay being thought a racist as long as it gets him somewhere; at a certain point, what's the effective difference?
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| Frayed Knot Mar 02 2016 07:31 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Ben Carson says he NOT suspending his campaign but also doesn't "see a political path forward" and so will not attend the next debate.
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| metsmarathon Mar 02 2016 08:17 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I find that, come October, I will find myself choosing between one candidate who I believe should be in jail**, or another candidate who may put us all* in jail. god help us all. *ok, maybe not me, specifically, seeing as I present as male, reasonably Caucasian, the child of citizens, English-speaking, and ostensibly Christian, in the employ of the man, a cog in the military-industrial machine. I'm probably as safe as anyone. but seriously... the rest of y'all are fucked! **to say that she should be put in jail is hyperbole, as the appropriate punishment for the negligent failure to safeguard classified information is, I believe a $10k fine and/or 10 years imprisonment max, but it works well enough for the analogy. in reality, if tried and convicted, she'd probably just get a fine, but should rightfully also lose her clearance - which would be a very awkward position for a POTUS...
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| Edgy MD Mar 03 2016 03:40 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Mitt Romney reportedly preparing to deliver a speech on Thursday with regards to the primaries.
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| batmagadanleadoff Mar 03 2016 05:26 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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This woefully out of touch political party is getting what it deserves this year.
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| Edgy MD Mar 03 2016 02:39 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Well, they lost the presidency the last two elections and they stand to lose it this year. But don't kid yourselves that they victims of the Trump phenomenon are restricted to the Republican Party. Not by a long shot.
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| Vic Sage Mar 03 2016 03:32 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 03 2016 06:02 PM |
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while i would dearly love to drop the responsibility for Mr. Drumpf solely on the Republicans, as a comeuppance for their years of race-baiting fear-based politics as they catered to their lunatic fringe, i don't think it's quite that simple.
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| batmagadanleadoff Mar 03 2016 04:23 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I agree with you -- like totally. I simply said that the Republicans, in a tizzy over Trump's success in the primary, got what they deserve. Our posts are compatible.
Me personally, I think that the Republicans haven't won a Presidential election fair and and square in almost 30 years, going back to Davey Johnson's Mets, accounting for dirty tricks and an outrageous Supreme Court decision.
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| batmagadanleadoff Mar 03 2016 07:38 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Vic Sage for President. 2020. You got my vote. And I'll also donate to the campaign if you can get rid of the Wilpons .
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| Ashie62 Mar 03 2016 08:40 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I still believe Trump is the creation of a do nothing congress and a pissed off electorate.
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| MFS62 Mar 03 2016 10:25 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I blame Walter O'Malley. Actually, I blame Walter O'Malley for everything. It saves a lot of research time. Later
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| Ashie62 Mar 04 2016 12:30 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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That was good MFS.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 04 2016 02:44 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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And then we had a presidential frontrunner assure America that he had a large penis. In a presidential-campaign debate. Because this is the America in which we live, and JESUS CHRIST THIS IS THE AMERICA IN WHICH WE LIVE.
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| Edgy MD Mar 04 2016 03:35 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Senators, I know you wanna seem like team guys, but a better way to do that than answering YES, to "Will you pledge to support the Republican nominee?" would be "Well, I pledge to vote for an actual Republican. But if that guy is nominated? God, no."
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| Ceetar Mar 04 2016 03:41 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Isn't that just saying "I know we push pretty hard to make this a two-party system and that the primaries are for the people to democratically choose a candidate to represent this party, but fuck the people, they're wrong."?
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| Edgy MD Mar 04 2016 04:34 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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No.
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| Ceetar Mar 04 2016 04:37 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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It seems foolish for anyone appearing on the same ballot as Trump to tell all the people coming to vote on that ballot that they think the guy they picked is not a good choice.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 04 2016 04:40 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Even if, as in this case, it's demonstratively and unquestionably true? And for God's sakes Ceets, it's not that Drumpf isn't "not a good choice" as in, he's something les than a Rubio or Chris Christie, it's that he's a fucking awful choice.
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| Ceetar Mar 04 2016 05:07 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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But why would a politician stake their own seat up against Trump? Maybe if his specific constituents voted for one of the other guys he'd get away with it, but telling the voters that they're making the wrong choice two lines above yours on the ballot, especially when that choice is at least somewhat born of being tired of politicians, seems like career suicide to me.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 04 2016 05:12 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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So they roll those dice and go back into law or business or the boardroom or whatever. It's not like politics has to be a career for someone and if your personal ambitions are above your principals you're in the wrong line of work anyhow.
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| batmagadanleadoff Mar 04 2016 05:13 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Boy, I wish Jon Stewart stuck around for this year's stuff.
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| Edgy MD Mar 04 2016 05:16 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Basic point of honor. It's better to fight a fascist and lose than to back a fascist and lose.
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| Ceetar Mar 04 2016 05:24 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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It'd surprise me very much if most of these politicians wouldn't choose 'win with Trump'. If pressed, I'm sure most of them would try to play both sides. I'm sure they'd say something about working with a president they don't agree with right now and doing the best they can for the people.
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| Edgy MD Mar 04 2016 05:26 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Well, I certainly advocate otherwise.
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| Nymr83 Mar 04 2016 05:34 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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the only thing worse than Trump is Hillary with a Democratic Senate and House. they can't completely turn their backs on the party if Trump is nominated because they need to protect congressional seats too, "win with Trump" is less about Trump himself winning than it is about that. The only Democrat I've ever supported was Elliot Spitzer (oops!), if Trump wins the Republican nomination I'll be rooting for Hillary and a Republican Congress.
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| Edgy MD Mar 04 2016 05:38 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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If I'm a Republican, I think, "Sheesh, to abandon Trump probably means at least four years of a Clinton presidency, and that would be awful, but we can fight, we can regroup and come back with lessons learned, but to endorse him means the philosophical end of our party and — if he (God forbid) actually gets elected — probably a 40-year nightmare for the nation."
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| TransMonk Mar 04 2016 05:50 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I do find all of this to be fascinating theater. Historical, hilarious, embarrassing, terrifying...but fascinating.
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| batmagadanleadoff Mar 04 2016 06:04 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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If I'm a Republican, at least a moderate Republican, I'd think hard about leaving the party. It's splintered and dysfunctional and too many extreme (extremely crazy, if you ask me) factions hold more influence than they should ever hold. Who knows? Maybe in the long run, something good will come from this Trump fiasco.
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| Benjamin Grimm Mar 04 2016 06:10 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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The "historical" part is what fascinates me the most. I figure that one hundred years from now, people will read about Trump and shake their heads at how close this nutjob came to being President. Or else they'll look back at this year as the year that everything went wrong and the United States took its first big step to becoming a banana republic. I think the first option is more likely, but can't exactly rule out the second one.
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| Nymr83 Mar 04 2016 09:12 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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its is certainly arguable which creates the bigger problems both short and long term - the idea that Obama/Hillary could replace Scalia and then also probably replace Ginsburg, Breyer, Kennedy with a shot at Thomas as well is incredibly scary. a 7-2 liberal court for 20+ years might be worse than whatever damage 4 years of Trump can do.
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| themetfairy Mar 04 2016 09:13 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Apparently Ted Cruz is considering an independent Cruz/Rubio ticket if Trump wins the Republican nomination.
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| Edgy MD Mar 04 2016 09:28 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I imagine it's not as complete as all that.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 04 2016 10:16 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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You grotesquely underestimate the damage one year of Trump can do.
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| Vic Sage Mar 04 2016 10:51 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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he grotesquely underestimates the damage a Trump candidacy has already done. That some Republicans are more afraid of liberals than this monster is why we seem destined to re-litigate the civil war.
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| batmagadanleadoff Mar 04 2016 11:15 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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The only bad thing about a Supreme Court with seven liberal justices would be the two conservatives on that bench. You know what's better than a 7-2 liberal court? An 8-1 liberal court.
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| Ceetar Mar 05 2016 01:11 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I dunno, we might actually let women take care of their own bodies or cut back on gun violence. It'd be anarchy.
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| Nymr83 Mar 05 2016 03:03 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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can't wait til those liberals decide the government can take YOUR house to build a shopping mall* *It'll be called "Trump's Eminent Shopping Center" because to any true Conservative he is just as bad as them.
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| Ashie62 Mar 05 2016 04:57 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Goodbye Ben Carson.
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| Gwreck Mar 05 2016 05:06 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Kelo was not a good decision.
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| Lefty Specialist Mar 05 2016 04:30 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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We've had a conservative Supreme Court for 30 years, so a liberal Supreme Court is overdue.
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| Nymr83 Mar 06 2016 12:44 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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a ray of hope tonight as Trump looks to be losing 2 of today's 4 primaries (though not to by preferred candidate)
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| Edgy MD Mar 06 2016 04:17 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Governor Kasich was the most attractive candidate for me from the beginning. Today, I find it strange to find myself rooting in the smallest of ways for Senator Cruz, but I don't believe in this fallacy of false equivalencies, that they're all somehow just as bad.
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| Nymr83 Mar 06 2016 05:58 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I like Rubio best but would be very happy with Kasich as well. We aren't getting either one without a brokered convention. I don't love the idea of Cruz, but I'm not revolted by him the way I am by Trump. Rubio is probably holding out hope for Florida as Kasich is for Ohio, if they can't win their home states then the only point in sticking around is that they think they are better able to beat Trump by splitting the vote than they are by uniting behind Cruz, but with both those winner-take-all states in Trump's pocket it would probably be over... the Republican side doesn't have nearly as many "superdelegates" as the other side does, though i'm betting they wish they did right now! to your point, they are NOT all just as bad and even a Democrat needs to be able to see that, just as I can see that not all Democrats are equally bad - Trump is a disaster for everyone. is Bloomberg running yet?
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| Lefty Specialist Mar 06 2016 05:34 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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They're not all equally bad, which is not to say any of them are actually good.
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| batmagadanleadoff Mar 06 2016 05:59 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 06 2016 09:16 PM |
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I see your point here, but the Supreme Court has been conservative for forever, so it seems, -- certainly for my entire adulthood and then some -- and I think that balance needs to shift more than the Presidency does. Here's an interesting question: what kind of a justice do you think Trump would nominate to the Supreme Court? I'd like to think that I'm Independent, judging each politician purely on the issues, with no regard for party affiliation. The problem here is that the parties have gotten so ideologically polarized over the years that for the most part, you give me the politician's party, and I can tell you, with devastating accuracy, where that politician stands on just about anything without knowing anything else about that particular pol other than his or her party affiliation. I think that today, there's less overlap or common ground among the parties than ever, at least in my lifetime.
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| Edgy MD Mar 06 2016 08:42 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I've watched debate after debate — which is weird because I don't have a vote in the primary — and I don't think it's true that Kasich and Rubio put a smiley face on the same policies as Cruz, internationally or domestically.
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| Nymr83 Mar 06 2016 09:28 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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if anyone finds the fountain of youth i hear the Republican National Committee is willing to pay big for a way to make John McCain 25 years younger to beat Trump...
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| Nymr83 Mar 07 2016 12:35 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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our friends in Puerto Rico have made Rubio, with ~70% of the vote, the first Republican to top 50% in any Republican Primary so far.
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| Edgy MD Mar 07 2016 01:53 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Maybe it's his momentum-turner.
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| TransMonk Mar 07 2016 11:23 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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| Lefty Specialist Mar 07 2016 11:56 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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She obviously likes someone who's poling well.
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| Edgy MD Mar 08 2016 03:41 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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There's a lot of talk out there that we may have hit peak Trump. His polling is down nationally, as fetishistic as he is about polling results, and the states ahead may be less susceptible to his message than the states behind. And possibly, folks may actually be getting it.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 08 2016 04:08 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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If it's happening, it's happening much later than I would have hoped for or guessed would, but may it be so.
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| Edgy MD Mar 08 2016 04:21 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Big day today. Let's hope MGiM is leading all his Michiganders in DOING THE RIGHT THING.
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| Lefty Specialist Mar 08 2016 04:36 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Problem is, his most viable competitor is possibly an even bigger douchebag.
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| batmagadanleadoff Mar 08 2016 04:42 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Former NY Mayor Bloomberg will not mount an Independent presidential campaign. (Yesterday's news).
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| Ceetar Mar 08 2016 04:47 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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It's too bad the American people and the media couldn't be open-minded enough to break from the two-party system.
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| batmagadanleadoff Mar 08 2016 04:48 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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It's a real Republican shit-show, isn't it?
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| Edgy MD Mar 08 2016 05:25 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I'll take the empty-suited ideologue over the race-baiting, violence-provoking, know-nothing fascist seven days a week.
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| Edgy MD Mar 08 2016 05:39 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I think I'm going to have to withdraw this prediction upon learning that Michigan has an open primary.
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| Nymr83 Mar 08 2016 06:17 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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yeah open primaries have been more pro-trump so far than closed ones, either independents and democrats actually love him or democrats see him as the easiest to beat so are turning out to vote for him. a dangerous strategy.
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| Vic Sage Mar 08 2016 06:23 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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While that's great, and I hope it's true, in my view Ted Cruz is only slightly better. This hate-based evangelical Canadian, held in contempt by his own colleagues, is more a difference of degree than kind. He's got no use for science, opposes the separation of church and state, opposes immigration reform, opposes gay rights, wants to abolish the IRS and impose a regressive flat tax, bomb Iran, and generally get government out of the business of regulating corporate fascism while increasing government's involvement in private behavior. Truth be told, style and demeanor aside, Trump's positions on many issues are closer to the middle than Cruz. I could see how a conspiracy theorist, taking a look at Cruz, might think Trump's candidacy was just a put-up job by the Republicans to make their other whack-job candidates seem mainstream and their Tea Party agenda appear reasonable.
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| Edgy MD Mar 08 2016 06:36 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Considering the results, I'd say that wasn't a conspiracy theory worth entertaining.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 08 2016 07:17 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Well, Mr. Post-Facto, maybe it was just a bad conspiracy.
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| Benjamin Grimm Mar 08 2016 07:18 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I agree. I think Cruz is scarier than Trump, and Trump is terrifying. I really don't know what kinds of scenarios to root for in these Republican primaries. I don't spend much time thinking about it, because my rooting interest won't affect the outcome. I just see the four remaining candidates having different levels of awfulness. (Samantha Bee, on her cable show, said that Kasich is like the least disgusting restroom in the bus station.)
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| batmagadanleadoff Mar 08 2016 07:21 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Me three.
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| Edgy MD Mar 08 2016 07:47 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Really, though, we have way too many comedians as our go-to political commentators.
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| Ceetar Mar 08 2016 07:59 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Probably because they're the most truthful.
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| Edgy MD Mar 08 2016 08:03 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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You have data on that?
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| Ceetar Mar 08 2016 08:14 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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No. subjective. I don't watch the other stuff to really judge. I know I've seen a lot of horribly written Washington Post articles come up on Facebook lately. I didn't know they'd dropped to NY post standards.
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| Benjamin Grimm Mar 08 2016 08:25 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I know it's not ideal that many people get all of their news from comedians, but I suspect that few of those people would have gone to more serious sources if there weren't newsy comedy shows. Anyway, I like some of those shows. John Oliver is very good at what he does. I also watch Bill Maher faithfully, and Larry Wilmore too, although Larry is often just some time-killing fluff to watch while I'm preparing dinner. I've watched Samantha Bee twice, and she seems okay.
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| TransMonk Mar 08 2016 08:30 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I don't know that ANYONE does, which is what makes it so fascinating and terrifying. In the lull between the Super Bowl and Opening Day, I've latched on to this circus as my "go to" for entertainment. I catch most of the Sunday morning network shows and all of their wonky insiders at the round-table will give varying degrees of outcomes no matter which side of the aisle they cover. But it's all a crapshoot because nothing like this has really happened in our lifetimes. To me, it seems a brokered convention all but guarantees Hillary the White House (and possibly one, if not both, houses and SCOTUS to the Dems) regardless of who emerges as the R nominee. I just can't see putting Republican Humpty Dumpty together again after that kind of proposed fracture before November. So, even with all of this talk about not getting to 1237 delegates and everyone staying in the race, I'm not sure how the Republican party can move forward into the general election with anyone but Trump. The establishment is going to have to start making deals with him soon just to maintain any little control they think they have.
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| Benjamin Grimm Mar 08 2016 08:35 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I expect that, because the gerrymandering of Congressional districts currently favors Republicans that they'll keep the House, but may very well lose the Senate and fail to capture the White House.
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| Edgy MD Mar 08 2016 08:50 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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So, it's opinion stated as fact. Gotcha.
I'm not sure what "Probably because they're the most truthful" is if it isn't judging. Come on, now. It's turning our political discussions over to entertainers, and judging their truthfulness on how entertaining they are, that allows a boner like Donald Trump into a serious candidacy.
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| Ceetar Mar 08 2016 09:02 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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They are ALL entertainers. CNN is going for ratings. They all are. For the most part, the comedian/late night show guys joke and mock what's on the more mainstream channels. Without them talking up Trump, overcovering Trump, and undercovering Sanders, he wouldn't make it to those shows. It's hardly surprising that an election cycle that starts earlier and earlier and was practically pitched as a gimme for Hillary to the point that they were covering Hillary before she'd even announced she was running latched on to a jokester that drew ratings for being absurd.
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| Edgy MD Mar 08 2016 09:08 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I disagree that all political commentators are entertainers or entertaining.
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| Ceetar Mar 08 2016 09:34 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Certainly most are slaves to ratings, or slaves to producers who are slaves to ratings. There aren't free-wheeling independent thinkers out there under some moral sense making sure the public has a fair and balanced view of things. And If I'm going to be subjected to bias, it might as well be funny.
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| Edgy MD Mar 08 2016 09:38 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Well, you're wrong. Because there's me. And I'm far funnier than Bill Maher (most of this forum is), and certainly more accountable. (Opinion in the first half of that sentence. Fact in the second.)
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| Ceetar Mar 08 2016 09:43 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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you're completely free of biases? Have you posted as much about Sanders and Florina as Trump?
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| Edgy MD Mar 08 2016 09:48 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Have I asserted anything as fact that is untrue about any of them?
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| Ceetar Mar 08 2016 10:03 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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That's hardly the only qualification for fair political commentary.
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| Edgy MD Mar 08 2016 10:46 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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And... scene.
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| Mets Willets Point Mar 09 2016 12:31 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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What's your favorite Trump conspiracy theory?
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| Lefty Specialist Mar 09 2016 01:08 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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* Trump is doing it all as one big trolling exercise on the United States because he loves the attention.
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| Lefty Specialist Mar 09 2016 02:02 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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On the one hand, I win Mississippi, on the other, I win Michigan.
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| Nymr83 Mar 09 2016 03:48 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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If you're someone who like Liberal policies, Cruz is worse for you than Trump on the issues... but can't we all step back and agree that Trump is worse for America as a whole because of the brand of politics he brings to the table? I think Clinton's policies would be worse for this country than Trump's, but I'd still support her over him.. BECAUSE HE IS FUCKING CRAZY, let us remember that. and let us remind anyone who still has a chance to vote against him.
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| Frayed Knot Mar 09 2016 04:15 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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So Trump may have small digits, but 'Little Marco' is drawing single digits in most of tonight's races.
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| Edgy MD Mar 09 2016 04:26 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Projected to finish a strong third in Idaho, though some accounts have him running second.
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| Frayed Knot Mar 09 2016 04:31 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Yeah, but like 17 people live in Idaho.
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| MFS62 Mar 09 2016 04:38 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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The top three Republican candidates give us a choice between: A Psychopath - who lashes out violently against anyone who questions him A Sociopath - who will bring the Government to its knees just to support his convictions while not caring for all who are harmed by his actions A classic example of Grandiose Delusional disorder - who believes he has been divinely inspired to lead a new Crusade in the Middle East. (Think Joan of Arc complex.) They ALL scare the living crap out of me. What ever happened to "compassionate conservatism"? Later
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| Edgy MD Mar 09 2016 01:22 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Yeah, he not only seems to have realized too late to train his sites on Trump, but has learned the lesson all wrong. I'm with Nymr on this. I think policy arguments are beside the point when it comes to Donald Trump. And while political hyperbole is almost always overstated and distorted (Joan of Arc Complex?), Trump has shown himself to be a terrible danger no matter what policies he claims to espouse.
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| Lefty Specialist Mar 09 2016 01:35 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Well, I think Cruz is arguably worse in many ways. I'm no fan of The Donald's Fascist tendencies. But Cruz would know much better how to put his theories into practice, because while Trump's beliefs are fungible, Cruz's are rock-solid.
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| Edgy MD Mar 09 2016 02:22 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Well, then, it comes down to abortion for you. But that's at play in every race and has been for forty years at least. Something very different is on the table this time.
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| seawolf17 Mar 09 2016 02:34 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Everything about this election is terrifying, honestly. Even in a best-case scenario -- President Bernie Sanders -- the seamy underbelly of this country has been ripped wide open and it's not going to go away.
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| MFS62 Mar 09 2016 02:51 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Grandiose Delusional Disorder is a recognized condition. https://www.psychologytoday.com/conditi ... l-disorder. One of the definitions is that the patient feels that they have been contacted by a deity and chosen to perform an epic task. And when Rubio has spoken before religious organizations he has said he feels that way. My use of Joan of Arc was not hyperbolic. It was a familiar example to which everyone could relate. Later
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| Edgy MD Mar 09 2016 03:03 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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And Joan of Arc Complex isn't.
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| MFS62 Mar 09 2016 03:05 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 Edited 3 time(s), most recently on Mar 09 2016 03:17 PM |
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Fixed it. And, its a concept that has been studied, if not a complex. http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v1 ... 023b0.html Or, maybe it is a complex: http://ambafrance-do.org/psychology-help/25230.php Later
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| Vic Sage Mar 09 2016 03:06 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Edgy:
Ceetar:
Edgy:
now THAT'S funny! :)
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| batmagadanleadoff Mar 09 2016 04:37 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Author Stephen King gave us some of fiction's scariest ghouls, demons and monsters. So what scares King?
http://www.latimes.com/books/jacketcopy ... story.html
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| Edgy MD Mar 09 2016 05:59 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Hawaii gives Donald Trump 10 more delegates, with an additional six going to Senator Cruz.
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| Benjamin Grimm Mar 09 2016 07:05 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Has anyone calculated Trump's NHOP yet?
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| Ashie62 Mar 09 2016 10:22 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Watch Trump take Ohio and Florida. Easily.
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| Nymr83 Mar 10 2016 01:15 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Against divided competition that is a strong bet. I think Cruz made a big mistake campaigning hard in Florida to try and knock Rubio out of the race, he's going to seal trump victory instead because even IF Rubio and Kasich drop out, Cruz probably can't beat Trump in places like NY and CA. I think he is missing the fact that after yesterday a divided convention was ALREADY his only practical game plan, and that means a trump loss in one of those states.
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| Lefty Specialist Mar 10 2016 01:54 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Oh, it's a lot more than abortion. I don't want to live in a Christian Dominionist state where a very narrow definition of 'religious freedom' supersedes all other freedoms. I don't want Ted's flat tax and his dismantling of social safety net programs either. I don't want The Donald's overt racism and Fascism as well as his blithe ignorance of all things non-Trump. But your choice on the Republican side is Cruz or Trump. They're both really, really bad. However, this mishegoss has been brought on Republicans by Republicans. If they blow up their party maybe some good (as in a saner organization) will come of it. I'd have been happy if the Republicans had nominated someone less terrifying, but they wouldn't listen to me. (I called and left a message. They never got back to me.) I live in New Jersey- I haven't voted in a primary for anybody yet. A Trump candidacy isn't worth it to me, but if there's a fire going and I've got a bag of marshmallows.... And if the Republican party splits into a party of Oligarchs and a party of Free-to-Speak Bigots, I guess I can live with it. Because the two of them together hasn't been a lot of fun either. The damage to the Republic can be minimized by, you know, not voting for Trump or Cruz in November. If that means voting for Hillary or Bernie, and working to make sure others do the same, I'm happy to make the sacrifice for the future of the nation.
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| Edgy MD Mar 10 2016 04:30 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Two more beatdowns at Donald Trump rallies — one a female Breitbart reporter (and they've given him the best coverage he can hope for) grabbed and thrown by the candidate's campaign manager; the other a black protester sucker punched by an attendee as he was being escorted out, and then placed in custody by the security while the puncher got ignored.
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| Benjamin Grimm Mar 10 2016 07:41 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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It's really unbelievable. What other candidate would have ever gotten away with this? How are so many people blind to what kind of a person Donald Trump is? Is a lack of political correctness seen to be such a virtue that it outweighs everything that this thug has been saying and doing?
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| Edgy MD Mar 10 2016 08:42 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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There is a quote in captivity that actually has the campaign manager (Corey Lewandowski) explaining his action by saying he didn't recognize the reporter as an employee of Breitbart and thought he was working over a member of the hostile mainstream media — somehow seemingly believing in the New Trumpian Order that this justifies violence against the media... or anybody!
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| Lefty Specialist Mar 10 2016 08:45 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Trump exists in a consequence-free zone. He lies constantly, even about things that are easy to check, and nobody calls him on it. It's like there's so much bad data that it eventually becomes impossible to process.
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| TransMonk Mar 10 2016 09:14 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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1,000,000 times this.
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| Ashie62 Mar 10 2016 11:08 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I can picture Trump at the Beer Hall putsch in Germany.
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| Edgy MD Mar 11 2016 12:43 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Well, you were officially for Trump back on page 6, so welcome back to the light.
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| d'Kong76 Mar 11 2016 12:58 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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The whole Trump is Hitler ll slant is a bit much from my theater seat.
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| Lefty Specialist Mar 11 2016 01:22 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Yeah, I remember saying that myself. A year ago.
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| d'Kong76 Mar 11 2016 01:33 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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He'll implode. Again, intentionally or not.
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| Nymr83 Mar 11 2016 03:55 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I'm starting to think the countries that prohibit polling within X days of the election have good idea. its crazy the extent to which it fees like the polls lead the voters and every poll is a new reason to vote for x or y or stay home. This would probably be a 1st Amendment issue, and I'd rather the protections of the Constitution be upheld even when I don't like them, but I really hate polls.
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| Edgy MD Mar 11 2016 04:28 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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| Nymr83 Mar 11 2016 04:53 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Why is Trump behaving tonight? or has my standard of "good behavior" dropped so much from watching him?
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 11 2016 05:50 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 11 2016 10:24 PM |
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In the bits I caught, he sounded borderline nuanced. It's disorienting, almost.
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| Edgy MD Mar 11 2016 01:02 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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It's political ju-jitsu.
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| d'Kong76 Mar 11 2016 01:13 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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He's gonna shave his head over the weekend. Stay tuned!
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| batmagadanleadoff Mar 11 2016 05:36 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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It's only March, but the latest polls have Clinton/Sanders crushing Trump in NYS and in the general election.
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| Edgy MD Mar 11 2016 06:54 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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And the latest polls have Trump stomping in the Empire State primary.
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| Ceetar Mar 11 2016 07:00 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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If they did that they wouldn't be republicans now would they?
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| Ashie62 Mar 11 2016 07:03 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Trump had better have eyes in the back of his head.
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| Benjamin Grimm Mar 11 2016 07:07 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Not only does he have eyes in the back of his head, but those eyes have perfect vision!
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| Edgy MD Mar 11 2016 07:14 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I know many perfectly lovely Republicans, with their shit in perfectly orderly places.
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| Ceetar Mar 11 2016 07:16 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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maybe they should run for president then, because none of the available candidates seem to be anything but disasters.
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| Mets Willets Point Mar 12 2016 01:01 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Trump rally shut down in Chicago. The uprising is beginning.
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| Ashie62 Mar 12 2016 01:50 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Reminds me of 1968 Chicago. [url]http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/illinois/2016/03/8593626/trump-chicago-rally-postponed-amid-scenes-chaos
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| Mets Willets Point Mar 12 2016 02:33 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Yup. The whole world is watching.
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| Mets Willets Point Mar 12 2016 02:39 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Film of Trump rally being broken up.
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| Nymr83 Mar 12 2016 05:26 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I don't like Trump, but this is an absolute atrocity and affront to the first amendment.
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| Mets Willets Point Mar 12 2016 06:29 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Except that the Chicago Police have announced that they did not advise Trump to cancel. There was no threat to security, just peaceful protesters in the room who were not goosestepping in lockstep to the Donald's command, so he turned tail and ran. Trump should really lose street cred with the "I like him because he's strong" crowd, except they all tend to be cowards too.
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| Frayed Knot Mar 13 2016 03:31 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Rubio wins Wash DC primary - which I believe means he got at least 16 votes because I'm not sure there are as many as 30 registered Republicans in the district.
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| Edgy MD Mar 13 2016 03:40 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Projections suggest it's a good night for Trumpbustin'.
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| Lefty Specialist Mar 13 2016 11:06 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Who ya gonna call? The Internetz!
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| Edgy MD Mar 14 2016 12:59 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Classic demagoguery. I have no defense, so I'll wrap myself in patriotism and impugn the patriotism of my interlocutor. Let's move on. I think Dr. Johnson may have something to say about that.
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| MFS62 Mar 14 2016 02:19 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Pete Rose throws his support to Donald Trump:
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| Lefty Specialist Mar 14 2016 06:07 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Well, Pete was always fond of red baseball caps.
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| Edgy MD Mar 15 2016 02:05 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Pete Rose... I mean... perfect, right?
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| Nymr83 Mar 15 2016 02:23 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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wow, that really is the perfect Trump Endorsement.
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| d'Kong76 Mar 15 2016 02:29 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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They share the same barber.
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| Edgy MD Mar 15 2016 02:47 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Both also have an established history of swapping out their women every 30,000 miles for a younger, dumber, more plasticized version of the same.
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| themetfairy Mar 15 2016 02:50 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Chris Christie skipped a NJ State Trooper's funeral today in order to campaign for Donald Trump.
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| Nymr83 Mar 15 2016 02:37 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I used to like Christie, he's managed to really change that.
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| Mets Willets Point Mar 15 2016 03:55 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Pete Rose denies endorsing Trump, which makes this story even more perfectly emblematic of the two of them.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 15 2016 03:55 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Not only was he skipping out on his duties to campaign for Trump, he was doing it only to get mocked by Trump, again, to his face.
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| Benjamin Grimm Mar 15 2016 04:06 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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My guess? Christie is hoping to be Trump's running mate.
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| Frayed Knot Mar 15 2016 04:17 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Or his Attorney General nominee, which is a considerably better job.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 15 2016 04:20 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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[youtube:1cv8kffi]OkSRJSUY0vs[/youtube:1cv8kffi]
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| Edgy MD Mar 15 2016 05:20 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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It struck me as more reminiscent of the Sinatra's treatment of the gang's prostitutes.
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| Lefty Specialist Mar 15 2016 05:44 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Either one is a good bribe.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 15 2016 06:36 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Ben Carson in an interview reveals Trump promised him a role in his administration in exchange for his support, evidently a clear violation of federal law. Would be funny to see Drumpf locked up for two years:
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| cooby classic Mar 15 2016 06:44 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I've gotten to the point that I don't even care any more. There is so much stupidity in this country that I think he will be the next president so we might as well face it
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| d'Kong76 Mar 15 2016 06:55 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Hillary can beat Trump in an election battle. (probably in a
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| cooby classic Mar 15 2016 06:59 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I can see him giving Vince McMahon a post
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| Mets Willets Point Mar 15 2016 07:28 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Trump doesn't need a cabinet! Everyone else is dumber than he is!
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| Mets Willets Point Mar 15 2016 07:30 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I'd like to see them in a rap battle.
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| d'Kong76 Mar 15 2016 07:37 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Hillary Superflygirl Snuka off the top rope! It's all over!!!
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| cooby classic Mar 15 2016 07:42 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Lol! Lol!
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| d'Kong76 Mar 15 2016 07:49 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Lotta stuff to rhyme with: chump, clump, crump, frump, gump, hump, lump, plump, rump, scrump, slump, stump, sump, thump, whump
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| Benjamin Grimm Mar 15 2016 07:50 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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It would be great if this got Trump thrown in jail, but I suspect that the musings of a certified kook might not be sufficient evidence.
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| Edgy MD Mar 15 2016 07:56 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I think he dodges the question there as to whether a specific administration role has been proffered. Not that I'd be surprised.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 15 2016 08:06 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I'm no Erin Brocovich but the law cited seems wide enough to build a case on just based on those remarks though: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/599
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| Edgy MD Mar 15 2016 08:10 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Well, I'd sure as molasses support his prosecution under that statute.
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| Chad Ochoseis Mar 16 2016 12:27 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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...and then there were three. Word is that Rubio is suspending his campaign.
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| Nymr83 Mar 16 2016 02:33 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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well, not much else he can do having lost his own state.
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| Edgy MD Mar 16 2016 02:59 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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That's a really good summation in The Times.
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| MFS62 Mar 16 2016 03:14 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Maybe now we won't have to listen to candidates' delusions of glandeur. Later
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| Edgy MD Mar 16 2016 12:28 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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None of us have to listen to anything.
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| cooby classic Mar 16 2016 12:58 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Hopefully in four years, the real candidates will give it another shot.
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| Frayed Knot Mar 16 2016 12:59 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Delusions of glandeur, isn't that what Morganna impersonators suffer from?
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| MFS62 Mar 16 2016 01:33 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Possibly. I made up that phrase about people who think their natural "endowments" are greater than they really are. If the Morganna impersonators are as well endowed as she, then its not a delusion. Later
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| Ashie62 Mar 16 2016 09:35 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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It's called the price of freedom. It's not always pretty, or fair.
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| Edgy MD Mar 17 2016 02:20 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Donald Trump is not the price of freedom. He's the price of ignorance and malice.
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| Lefty Specialist Mar 17 2016 12:53 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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part of the problem is that there are apparently two Republican parties and the one in ascendency is the version that thinks Congressional Republicans have been TOO acquiescent (somehow).
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| Edgy MD Mar 17 2016 02:12 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Yes, that's sort of what I meant to imply. But I mean to say that they're apparently pissed at Republican Senators too. A lot of folks just think political engagement means just being pissed all the time.
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| Ceetar Mar 17 2016 02:15 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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It's a shame so many of those folks are senators though.
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| Nymr83 Mar 17 2016 04:47 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Obama has done more than any president before him TO CIRCUMVENT those checks and balances and act like a dictator, if the system of checks and balances eludes anyone it is him. This isn't a partisan thing either, Bush was the worst offender before Obama, the unconstitutional usurping of power by the Exceutive Branch is something that has gotten progressively worse over time.
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| Vic Sage Mar 17 2016 07:09 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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one of the best arguments for the moral opposition to Trump that i've heard:
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| Edgy MD Mar 17 2016 07:23 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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It's an argument I've tried to make over and over, and failed, with his supporters. But yeah, if he makes the general election and is conciliatory, and attempts to move away from his words, every media outlet in the world needs to hang them around his neck.
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| Ashie62 Mar 17 2016 07:56 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I was referring to free speech. Don't have to like what someone has to say but the soapbox is there for all of us.
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| Edgy MD Mar 17 2016 08:15 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I'm certain none of us have suggested otherwise.
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| Nymr83 Mar 18 2016 02:30 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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[video:36htkn2l]https://www.facebook.com/conservativeminuteman/videos/1662342040657287/?fref=nf[/video:36htkn2l]
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| Frayed Knot Mar 18 2016 06:29 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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David Brooks - NY Times -- http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/18/opini ... ction&_r=0
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| TransMonk Mar 18 2016 08:51 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I normally find Brooks to be too wonky, but he is 99% spot on in this essay.
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| Lefty Specialist Mar 18 2016 11:07 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Well, Mr. Brooks, you were more than happy to indulge the Tea Party idiocy from which The Donald has spring. Surprise, the folks with the torches and pitchforks are coming for you too.
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| Edgy MD Mar 18 2016 11:11 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I think it's all our bed.
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| Lefty Specialist Mar 19 2016 12:30 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Only if he gets elected. There's a foolproof way to prevent that.
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| Edgy MD Mar 19 2016 01:31 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Ninjas?
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| d'Kong76 Mar 19 2016 02:27 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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[fimg=650:3xt4e75q]http://vergecampus.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Ghostbusters-1984-Wallpaper-611.jpg[/fimg:3xt4e75q]
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| batmagadanleadoff Mar 20 2016 03:18 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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He's our fault.
Read all of it at http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-ca ... cer-437043
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| Ashie62 Mar 20 2016 03:59 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Our Founding fathers made the House term two years and the Senate 6 years for a reason.
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| Lefty Specialist Mar 21 2016 12:53 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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That Newsweek piece is so wrong on so many levels (and Newsweek isn't a magazine any longer, it's just clickbait). You see, less than 50% of Republicans even want Trump. And virtually no Democrats do. He's not a cultural apocalypse, he's a snake oil salesman.
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| Ashie62 Mar 21 2016 08:25 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I watched a brokered convention in 1968 and it was quite a show. Pretty much cost Humphrey the election.
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| Frayed Knot Mar 21 2016 08:38 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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The 1976 Republicans went into their convention with neither Pres Ford nor challenger Ronald Reagan having the needed number locked up before enough uncommitted or wavering delegates opted for Ford and nominated him on the 1st ballot.
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| Edgy MD Mar 21 2016 09:10 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I'm hoping (against all momentum) for all them Republicans horrified by Trump to send their delegates after a third-way, center-right candidate with who didn't participate in the primaries — former Governors Mitch Daniels or John Huntsman, or former Secretary of State Condeleeza Rice — a dignified grown-up. Or, alternatively, backing such a figure in a quixotic alternative-ticket candidacy.
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| Ashie62 Mar 21 2016 10:05 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Let Hillary win and live to fight another day? If that is what you mean it might be to the good for all of us.
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| Edgy MD Mar 21 2016 10:50 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Something like that, although I wouldn't phrase it so much as they let her win. But rather take up the more honorable fight even thought a byproduct of that fight might mean her likely winning.
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| Lefty Specialist Mar 22 2016 12:00 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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The most likely scenario right now is that Trump arrives at the convention just a wee bit short of the magic 1237 he needs. He'd better find a way to win on the first ballot because if he doesn't, uncommitted delegates freed from their obligation will flee from him like he was a burning building. This is why Kasich is sticking around. He knows that people hate Cruz and are terrified of Trump, so he'll present himself as the sane alternative.
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| Edgy MD Mar 22 2016 01:55 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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You mean "Wah-wah-WAH!"?
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| Frayed Knot Mar 22 2016 02:02 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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If Trump himself weren't enough to keep you from supporting him, surely the lineup of "celebrity" endorsers should be.
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| Nymr83 Mar 22 2016 02:06 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I think most candidates have a list of 'celebrity endorsers' that they'd rather never endorsed them at all, but in Trump's case he actually welcomes it!
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| Lefty Specialist Mar 22 2016 02:15 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I'm guessing Mrs. C. is a Bernie Sanders fan.
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| Nymr83 Mar 22 2016 02:56 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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who?
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| Benjamin Grimm Mar 22 2016 02:59 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Richie Cunningham's mother on Happy Days.
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| Edgy MD Mar 22 2016 03:41 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I would guess that Bernie's biggest fan on Happy Days would be Henry Winkler. They probably ran track against each other at PSAL meets, or were part of the same youth group.
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| Benjamin Grimm Mar 22 2016 03:42 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I don't recall Ted McGinley or the Malachi brothers.
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| Edgy MD Mar 22 2016 03:50 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Ted McGinley: The actor who played "Roger," the primary replacement for Ron Howard in the post-Richie years. McGinley the actor is famous for shows (Happy Days, The Love Boat, Married... with Children) that are already going downhill somehow getting even worse (but surviving for a few years) after he joins the cast.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 22 2016 04:01 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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"Bag" was seen sporting a Cruz pin.
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| d'Kong76 Mar 22 2016 05:51 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Are there any provisions for Congress to step in on a high-profile
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| Lefty Specialist Mar 22 2016 06:21 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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He's obsessed with the size of his hands. Like REALLY obsessed. We're in Precious Bodily Fluids territory now.
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| d'Kong76 Mar 22 2016 06:27 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Not sure if you're mocking me or him.
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| batmagadanleadoff Mar 22 2016 06:31 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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If you've been following Lefty's political posts, you'd never think he was mocking you on this one. I now think that "Lefty" in "Lefty Specialist" is a double entendre.
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| Ceetar Mar 22 2016 06:38 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Before the end of the election we'll have a new MLB champion. We'll be halfway through the NFL season. We'll have a new NBA champion AND the next season will have started. We'll have a new NHL champion AND the next season will have started. a while.
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| d'Kong76 Mar 22 2016 07:16 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Ok, that's how long it can go on.
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| Mets Willets Point Mar 22 2016 07:37 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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At the 1952 Republican National Convention, fistfights broke out on the floor among supporters of Taft and Eisenhower. Also, Joseph McCarthy addressed the convention.
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| Lefty Specialist Mar 22 2016 08:10 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I actually am left-handed. And a specialist. And yes, I was mocking Trump. He answered a question from the Washington Post about nuking ISIS by changing the subject to how big his hands are.
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| metsmarathon Mar 23 2016 01:03 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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according to ted cruz, drastically ramping up police presence in muslim neighborhoods is a vital step towards preventing radicalization.
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| cooby classic Mar 23 2016 01:04 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Right here suffering with ya, buddy.
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| Nymr83 Mar 23 2016 01:17 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I love that there is a PAC running ads against Trump callig themselves "Make America Awesome"
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| Lefty Specialist Mar 23 2016 01:24 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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It's kind of like a bidding war. So banning a persons of a particular religion and building a giant wall weren't enough, so we had to go to torture and then imposition of a literal police state. And remember, we weren't attacked, the Belgians and French were.
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| Edgy MD Mar 23 2016 01:57 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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And Ted Cruz's plan, as much as it promises to be ineffective — ramping up patrols, as if the works of ISIS/Daesh are just some sort of out-of-control spike in neighborhood street crime — still comes off as Trump lite.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 23 2016 05:48 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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[youtube:ayrntytt]FUI9u3azLUg[/youtube:ayrntytt]
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| d'Kong76 Mar 23 2016 05:54 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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That's some priceless shit right there!
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| Ashie62 Mar 28 2016 09:39 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Lotta hyperbole Lefty.
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| Lefty Specialist Mar 29 2016 03:22 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Well, the editorial boards of both the Washington Post and the New York Times, after meeting with him to discuss foreign policy, both wrote pieces that could be summarized in two words- "Holy shit!"
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| Nymr83 Mar 29 2016 06:15 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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The Times editorial board would write a hit piece on Mother Theresa, were she a Republican candidate for office. The Washington Post is probably about as centrist as a newspaper is going to get, but really, who is this going to convince? We all know that Trump supporters can't read!
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| Edgy MD Mar 29 2016 06:34 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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The thing is, the Post ran the transcript of the interview, and it's mind-boggling. It's like John Rocker speaking Stengelese.
They all proceed to tell him who they are.
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| Nymr83 Mar 30 2016 02:25 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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so the video is out of Trump's campaign manager pushing the reporter. he may have technically committed a crime under Florida's battery statute, but he looks like some guy rudely pushing his way through a crowd trying to get on the subway or through the tourists in Times Square rather than like someone who committed an intentional act of violence. if the video that is out there now is all there is then this has been blown way out of proportion.
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| Ashie62 Mar 30 2016 12:06 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Looks like any passerby in NYC.
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| Edgy MD Mar 30 2016 12:35 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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But that's not all there is. There's reverse angle video, there's audio, there's the bruises on her arm, and there's independent corroborating testimony. That we know of.
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| TransMonk Mar 30 2016 02:40 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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There's also video evidence of him pulling a similar move on a protester in Arizona.
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| Ashie62 Mar 30 2016 07:16 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Stay out of candidates direct path and you will be fine.
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| Ashie62 Mar 30 2016 07:29 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Beyond that it is anti-Trump social media bullshit be a glam reporter looking for publicity and money.
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| Ceetar Mar 30 2016 07:35 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Everyone involved with the Benghazi witch hunt needs to be voted out of office. That shouldn't reflect on Clinton and campaign employees should not assault people regardless of what other candidates have done.
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| Edgy MD Mar 30 2016 07:50 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Except she worked for the outlet that couldn't be more in the bag for Trump. And the accused was alleged to have defended himself by saying "I didn't know she worked for Breitbart." And she hasn't sued anybody, but rather instead resigned her job. That's a tough plan for making money. In fact, Donald Trump is threatening to sue her.
This is the Republican Race 2016 thread, and Secretary Clinton isn't running for the Republican nomination. But any defense of the Trump that amounts to "Look at Hillary" is very Trumpian indeed. It is, of course, untrue on the face of it that she has gotten a "free pass" with regard to the items you cite. The Washington Post gave the "private server" story 5300 words on Monday. I dare you to find a more extensive story about any single subject with regard to the election.
This is not a civil suit, but a criminal complaint that has led to an arrest. But since there is a civli rights component to assaulting the media, a civil suit may find it's way in there yet. I implore you, don't carry water for this nightmare of a candidate.
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| Lefty Specialist Mar 30 2016 08:37 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I'm beginning to think more and more that Trump won't make it. He'll be short of the delegate number he needs, and Cruz has been very skillful in working the state delegations to get delegates Trump thought were his. While he's a certified asshole, more and more Establishment Repubs are giving him grudging endorsements. He won't make it on the first ballot, but I'm betting he makes it on the second. He's as scary as Trump in his own way. Less likely to accidentally start a nuclear war, but that's about where the good news ends.
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| TransMonk Mar 30 2016 09:26 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Yeah, it seems to me that the last week in March of 2016 will be remembered as when Trump hit his ceiling.
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| Edgy MD Mar 30 2016 09:59 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Among other big shot supporters, he has Ann Coulter (!!), who I would guess has never made an unspeakable statement she won't double down on, eating her words. I don't think I've ever seen that before.
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| Ashie62 Mar 30 2016 11:43 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Cruz is ahead of Trump in Wisconsin
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| Nymr83 Mar 31 2016 12:39 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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No. Everyone involved in the Benghazi cover-up and the lies coming out of the Obama Administration surrounding the circumstances of that terrorist attack needs to be removed. Agreed that what Clinton has or hasn't done has no bearing on how other candidates or their employees should behave.
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| Lefty Specialist Mar 31 2016 01:08 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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So you're a Sanders fan?
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| Ashie62 Mar 31 2016 01:54 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 31 2016 07:15 PM |
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lol. They talk about about anger fueling the Trump thing. I lost Lisa 90 days ago today, and yeah I'm pissed and he seems to feed a need for me.
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| Nymr83 Mar 31 2016 04:37 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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you of course know that i don't like Sanders policies one bit. i think he is far more honest than Clinton, Trump, or Cruz on their best behavior.
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| Lefty Specialist Mar 31 2016 12:34 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Well, I'm not a Clinton fan either. I also know that Bernie isn't going to win. He's performed a service in getting issues discussed in the debates, and he's gotten Hillary to move to the left a bit.
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| Edgy MD Mar 31 2016 03:26 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I believe in the right to life. Donald Trump certainly doesn't speak for me. I promise.
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| Frayed Knot Mar 31 2016 04:37 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Trump managed to piss off both sides of the abortion issue debate with his statements yesterday - not an easy thing to do.
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| Lefty Specialist Mar 31 2016 07:00 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I'm happy that in his own doofus way, he's exposed another thing Republicans hate talking about (and are desperate to change the subject from).
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| Nymr83 Apr 01 2016 01:40 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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there is nothing ridiculous about the principle of prosecuting the more serious offender in any situation - its the same as saying you'll prosecute drug kingpins but not every person who smokes weed or prosecute the bookies but not every person who placed a bet with one. you may disagree with the idea that abortion should be illegal, but surely the principle Cruz espoused as to who should be punished doesnt elude you (even if you think he is lying)
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| Frayed Knot Apr 01 2016 02:58 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Oh I think that Republicans who are truly against legal abortions generally have no problem talking about the subject. But with Trump that position is one he's only landed on recently and probably only flipped from his previous pronouncements as a matter of convenience rather than via a genuine change of heart. So when asked a follow-up question, a hypothetical one but also a logical next step, as to how such a ban would be enforced should he find himself in power with the current law actually reversed, the response he hit on was one was one that not even the guts of the pro-life movement is behind. And the reason for that is because, like a lot of other issues, this is not one he's ever bothered to intellectually think through.
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| Nymr83 Apr 01 2016 04:22 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Is there an issue more complex than "what am i having for lunch today?" that you think Trump has thought through?
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| Frayed Knot Apr 01 2016 12:29 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Back when an earlier version of this forum would sometimes get overrun by a bunch of screaming teenagers (of various ages), an expression some of still here would often fall back on to describe those folks was that they were the type more interested in having an opinion than they were at intellectually arriving at that opinion or at being willing to back it.
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| Lefty Specialist Apr 01 2016 02:52 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Well, you'd need to prosecute the woman as an accessory to the 'crime', just like you prosecute the getaway driver in an armed robbery. There's a little more involvement here than a random guy smoking weed or placing a bet. The woman would be paying for the 'crime', would be present at the commission of the 'crime' and would be voluntarily aiding in committing it. To not prosecute her would be absurd, if you're going to criminalize abortion. Cruz won't say this out loud because they can't reconcile this problem. Truly banning abortion is an abstraction until you run through all of the ramifications. What about a woman who has a miscarriage? Should it be investigated as a potential homicide? Abortions have been going on since caveman days. Criminalizing them won't stop them, it'll just make them far less safe, as is already happening in places like Texas and Mississippi who've severely limited access. The best way to limit abortions is with access to family planning information and contraception. Republicans are trying to drive the largest supplier of those services out of business.
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| cooby classic Apr 01 2016 03:10 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Ah....guilty! But helping my daughter and her husband raise her kids while they work gives me little time to think about much more than what episode of Sophia the First or Sheriff Callie is on today :D BUT, I do know idiots when I see one, and Trump is one. Okay here is my opinion (sorry)...four years ago the Republicans made the fatal mistake of inviting Sarah Palin to run for the second highest office in the country. In their pique from having lost that election (no wonder), they completely disable the Democratic President from having any lawmaking power. Meanwhile more clowns clamber to join the Republican party, and this is what we get. A person who imitates a Reality TV star, because, inexplicably, Reality TV is where it's at these days. (so I guess he does have half a brain cell to figure that out). Any hopes the Republicans had for a real candidate dropped out weeks ago., probably to give it another shot if sanity returns in four years.
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| batmagadanleadoff Apr 01 2016 03:32 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Do a little googling and you'll discover (if you don't already know this) that women in this country have been criminally prosecuted for having abortions. And in some other countries where religion rules, women have been found guilty of murder crimes for miscarrying their fetuses. It's barbaric out there.
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| batmagadanleadoff Apr 01 2016 03:36 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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The latest polls indicate that Kasich has a real chance to defeat both Clinton and Sanders in a general election. If Trump doesn't get to Cleveland with 1,237 delegates, anything can happen, right?
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| Edgy MD Apr 01 2016 05:19 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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No, you really wouldn't. But it's very easy to write legislation that targets one party and not another.
Amazingly, it's been eight years since Governor Palin entered the national culture with her nomination. Four years ago, the running mate was the sane, sober, and serious (and therefore, easily forgotten by the media) Congressman Paul Ryan.
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| cooby classic Apr 01 2016 05:48 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Holy heck
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| Lefty Specialist Apr 01 2016 10:01 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Sure, but there'll be plenty of states that'll go the full Monty. Also, what does one do with the woman who does it herself? And what about the OB-GYN who tends to a woman who miscarries? I'm guessing a lot of doctors will get out of the business altogether if there's the potential for criminal prosecution. And writing a law that targets the doctor but not the woman is basically saying women are incompetent to control their own bodies. I know a lot of Republican men might feel this way, but their wives don't. Confession: I was a volunteer clinic escort for two weeks, and it was the most harrowing experience of my life. I know what the face of hatred is, and they'd send every one of these women not only to jail, but the electric chair to make them an example.
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| Edgy MD Apr 02 2016 02:22 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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You say sure, but you say the opposite above. You suggest it's logically impossible. That folks would need to prosecute mothers. Now you say sure, they wouldn't have to at all.
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| d'Kong76 Apr 02 2016 10:31 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Just keep talking...
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| Lefty Specialist Apr 02 2016 12:34 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Well Republicans can be illogical. Some states will be logically consistent. Some will just prosecute doctors. Some will keep abortion legal. Just like now, where there are patchwork of laws making a legal procedure virtually impossible to get in some areas of the country.
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| Edgy MD Apr 05 2016 01:58 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Donald Trump is, at this time, deliberately and not-so-subtly sabotaging his campaign. Yes or no?
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 05 2016 05:16 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Well, I'd say "yes," only he's not doing anything all that different from what he's been doing all along, is he?
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| Edgy MD Apr 05 2016 05:38 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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His sabotaging statements this week haven't really been made in the heat of debate or the excitement of a rally, but in the cold, sober environment of a cordial sit-down.
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| TransMonk Apr 06 2016 02:24 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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The Cruz win in Wisconsin was definitely more about stopping Trump than it was about faith in Ted Cruz.
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| Edgy MD Apr 06 2016 02:47 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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All the more reason for Governor Kasich to stay in.
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| Benjamin Grimm Apr 06 2016 02:50 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I am in no means on Trump's side, but you can say the same thing about Cruz and Kasich too, can't you?
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| Edgy MD Apr 06 2016 03:11 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Sure, and it may not even be somebody who is running.
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| batmagadanleadoff Apr 06 2016 04:02 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Isn't there a rule that the Rep. nominee has to have won a threshold number of states in the Primary, which I think is eight? Or do they make up the rules as they go along? This is a rhetorical question. I just feel like stressing the sentence before the one that uses the word rhetorical.
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| Edgy MD Apr 06 2016 04:08 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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There's no such rule that I know of. But there are certainly obscure rules out there.
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| batmagadanleadoff Apr 06 2016 04:11 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I'll see if I can find it. My understanding is that the rule exists but can be modified, altered etc.
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| batmagadanleadoff Apr 06 2016 04:15 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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It's Rule 40(b)
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| batmagadanleadoff Apr 06 2016 04:16 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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But according to this article, Rule 40(b) won't apply to the 2016 Rep. convention.
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| Edgy MD Apr 06 2016 04:18 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I gather from that rule that the support of delegates from eight states doesn't necessarily mean winning the primary in those states. Those delegates can be released by the states' winners, or possibly defect.
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| TransMonk Apr 06 2016 04:52 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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The important thing to remember about the 2016 is that it seems that there are NO rules.
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| batmagadanleadoff Apr 06 2016 04:59 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I know. It seems to me that the [crossout]peasants[/crossout] [crossout]slaves[/crossout] people are free to elect whatever Presdidential candidate they want to elect ... so long as it's the same candidate that the party bigwigs want.
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| Mets Willets Point Apr 06 2016 05:02 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Harding is also considered one of the worst Presidents in US history.
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| Edgy MD Apr 06 2016 05:23 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Perhaps, but I imagine Trump would lap him and take down Buchanan in about a week. Andrew Johnson would feel the footprints burning up his back.
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| batmagadanleadoff Apr 07 2016 08:02 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I wouldn't rest so easy or count on anything if I were the Dems. It's win at all costs, and if no candidate gets a majority of the electorals the House picks the President. So who's to say the R's won't run a third party campaign against Trump/Cruz in the hopes of stealing enough electorals from the Dem candidate to let the R controlled house pick the next Pres?
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| Edgy MD Apr 07 2016 08:19 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Nobody should be counting on anything, but if a presidential election is ever going to be turned over to the House of Representatives, I doubt 2016 will be the year.
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| batmagadanleadoff Apr 07 2016 08:20 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Why do you say that?
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| Edgy MD Apr 07 2016 08:30 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Because polls suggest Trump gets his ass kicked in every state in the union and that Ted Cruz is as popular a turd in a punchbowl.
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| Lefty Specialist Apr 07 2016 08:38 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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They might run a 3rd party candidate against Trump but not against Cruz. Cruz is the extreme right's wet dream- he checks all the boxes.
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| batmagadanleadoff Apr 07 2016 08:43 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Like they would give a shit if the alternative is a Dem president, especially when the heart and soul of the Supreme Court is also at stake? If they can refuse to hold good faith hearings on Garland's nomination, they'll deny the Dem candidate the Presidency in a heartbeat if that candidate wins a plurality but not a majority of the electoral college because then, at least, they can point to rules that would allow them to do this.
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| batmagadanleadoff Apr 07 2016 08:44 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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They're not stupid. If me and you know that the polls point to a Dem landslide against Trump or Cruz, then they know it too, and 100 times better than we do.
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| Edgy MD Apr 07 2016 09:04 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I don't doubt that some faction of the republican party would be willing to put out an alternative candidate, but I don't see that person subverting the race, though it certainly could happen.
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| batmagadanleadoff Apr 07 2016 09:10 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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That's the best shot. A very moderate Republican third-party candidate who might compete in NY and Cal. It's a long shot, even if the goal is simply to deny the Dem candidate a majority of the electoral college -- but it's still a shot. I don't see the R's content with merely stopping Trump and pinning their hopes on Cruz, if Cruz emerges as their candidate after Cleveland.
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| Ashie62 Apr 07 2016 09:44 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Richard Anderson 1980 was the second best 3rd party performer. No thongs and not Perot.
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| Edgy MD Apr 07 2016 10:08 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Congressman John Anderson did pretty well in 1980, too. But neither he nor MacGyver garned any electoral votes like Governor Wallace did.
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| Lefty Specialist Apr 09 2016 02:58 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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The far right wing of the Republican party has whined the last two cycles that the reason their candidate lost was that he wasn't conservative enough. And true, McCain and Romney were about as middle-of-the-road as you get in Republican circles these days. Not so with Cruz- no one's going to accuse him of not being conservative enough. The problem is that in the general election, his extreme rightwinginess won't play well. There's a certain element of the party (call it the John Boehner wing) that wants him to take a pasting to prove once and for all that being an uncompromising asshole has consequences. It'll be like the dog that chases and finally catches the car. It's still a car and he's still a dog, no matter how fast he runs or how loud he barks.
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| Ashie62 Apr 10 2016 01:20 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I'm betting my 5 bucks on Trump... Cruz. Kasich and any unknown are longshots at best. Trump crushes NY.
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| Ashie62 Apr 11 2016 05:19 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Trump is learning it is easier to buy real estate than delegates. He can't reel them in like that schmoozy Cruz fellow.
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| Lefty Specialist Apr 11 2016 07:39 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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It's all about organization. Cruz is well-organized and knows how to work the rules. Trump isn't and doesn't.
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| Frayed Knot Apr 11 2016 08:25 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Maybe he just hasn't yet mastered the art of the deal.
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| d'Kong76 Apr 11 2016 09:06 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I'd like to get my hands on a free big bag of a couple hundred Trump
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| Edgy MD Apr 12 2016 01:49 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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The man who is going to fix our deficit by renegotiating all our trade deals did not know how Colorado picked its delegates until afterwards.
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| cooby classic Apr 12 2016 01:56 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Visit your local GOOP Hqtrs
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| Edgy MD Apr 12 2016 02:12 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Really. Volunteer and then make off with a bag o' stuff.
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| Lefty Specialist Apr 12 2016 06:16 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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The man who needs every vote he can get forgot to tell his kids to register to vote.
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| d'Kong76 Apr 12 2016 06:42 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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"I'm gonna go distribute these down The Riverfront Green, be back in about an hour." GOOP is a funny typo.
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| d'Kong76 Apr 12 2016 06:45 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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If they're old enough to vote they shouldn't have to be told? Plus, they're billionaires, a member of the staff should have registered them. Heads are gonna roll.
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| Edgy MD Apr 12 2016 07:08 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Paul Ryan making a public address to endorse NOT PAUL RYAN for president NOW!!!!
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| Benjamin Grimm Apr 12 2016 07:10 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Well, he has my non-vote!
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| Edgy MD Apr 12 2016 07:19 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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"You're going to have to get out of this cul-de-sac of losers on your own, suckers!"
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| Ceetar Apr 12 2016 08:00 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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my money is on Soul Bunny anyway
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| batmagadanleadoff Apr 14 2016 01:15 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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But according to this Politico article, dated today, Rule 40(b) is currently in effect. excerpt:
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| TransMonk Apr 14 2016 12:11 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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"Remains unchanged" is the important part from that excerpt.
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| Edgy MD Apr 14 2016 02:28 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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"How's Joe Paterno?!" — Donald Trump to a Pennsylvania rally.
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| Mets Willets Point Apr 14 2016 05:19 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Still dead, I assume.
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| TransMonk Apr 14 2016 05:26 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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If he wasn't, I still don't think he would tell anyone about it.
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| Ashie62 Apr 15 2016 04:28 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Donald Trump is endorsed by the NEW York Post!!
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| Lefty Specialist Apr 19 2016 06:10 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Peter King Death Watch:
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| Ashie62 Apr 19 2016 09:41 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Saw this today and laughed my butt off. I'm picturing Paul Ryan with a thought bubble "Please pick me!" Today does belong to Trump whether his kids or airplane are registered or not.
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| TransMonk Apr 19 2016 10:03 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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It seems to me that Paul Ryan is positioning himself to be the supreme leader of whatever is left of the Republican Party after 2016. I don't think he wants anything to do with the job this year.
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| Nymr83 Apr 20 2016 01:36 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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yeah, i think he is trying to distance himself as much as possible from this mess. he is looking at 2020.
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| Nymr83 Apr 20 2016 01:53 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Staten Island has Trump in exit polls at the highest percentage he has received in any county in the nation... great job guys.
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| Lefty Specialist Apr 20 2016 02:53 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Trump got enough delegates out of New York that Cruz no longer has a path to the nomination on the first ballot from pledged delegates. The Donald still has a chance to pull it out over the next few weeks but he has to win everywhere and win big. It's mostly friendly territory but it'll be interesting.
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| TransMonk Apr 20 2016 04:58 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Seems more and more likely that Trump will get to 1237, but I firmly believe that he will need to get all the way there in order to be nominated. I don't think him having 1200 or even 1236 is not going to cut it no matter how much he whines about the established rules being "rigged" against him.
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| Lefty Specialist Apr 20 2016 06:39 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Yes. If he doesn't make it in Round 1, he doesn't make it at all. I think he'll be at least 100 short by convention time; Kasich and Cruz will be sucking up the occasional pledged delegates here and there, but Cruz is working behind the scenes to insure that come Round 2, he's the leader. And then if it keeps going after that, hilarity ensues-cue the Benny Hill music.
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| Frayed Knot Apr 20 2016 10:54 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Republicans are certainly worried that Trump at the head of the ticket would blow up the party. But I think they're equally concerned (at least some are) about what it would do to the party by rigging the machinery to keep out the candidate who clearly won the majority of votes/states/delegates because he fell just a few percentage points shy of the automatic threshold. That could just feed into the outrage that the led the 'outsiders' to ignore a slate of 'establishment' candidates in favor a guy whose views they either don't know or in many cases don't agree with and just cause them to pick someone equally outside the mainstream next time (or sit out altogether).
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| Edgy MD Apr 20 2016 11:21 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I just think the leaders should sit down with him and say, "You make one more threat of unleashing violence then fuck it, you're out of the party."
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| Lefty Specialist Apr 21 2016 01:00 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Well, the guy who would call them in is denying he's just trying to find the key to the liquor cabinet:
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| TransMonk Apr 21 2016 01:40 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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It is a dilemma, but if I were a ranking member of the Republican party, I would still be leaning toward blocking Trump. Some (certainly not all or most, but likely a significant number) of voters that came out for Trump in the primary are folks who are not regular voters and possibly wouldn't have voted for a "normal" Republican candidate. These really are outsiders to the Republican party and the only reason they might be involved at all is because Trump wanted to go through the primary process as a Republican instead of as a third party candidate (which is smart because he got a full year of media coverage via the debates and primaries that he may not have gotten running independently). But that doesn't necessarily make Trump nor all of his supporters actual Republicans. I would think that Trump as the Republican candidate does more to damage the party than the risk of alienating some of his voters. I imagine they party leaders would rather pick up the pieces of a smaller party and try to put them back together than run the risk of losing the party altogether by letting Trump lead it.
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| Lefty Specialist Apr 21 2016 05:20 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I'm betting that in open primary states, a lot of people crossed over to vote for Trump just to mess with Republicans. No documentary evidence whatsoever, but I'd imagine his support among actual Republicans isn't quite what he thinks it is.
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| batmagadanleadoff Apr 21 2016 05:48 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 22 2016 01:36 AM |
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I have some new ideas for baseball. New rules, as Mets part-owner Bill Maher likes to say. I'll post 'em in this here non-baseball forum Republican thread even though they're baseball rules.
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| Frayed Knot Apr 21 2016 06:06 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 22 2016 12:13 AM |
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Certainly that's at least partially true - even though the actual size of the pro-Trump movement continues to stun me. I was listening to a pair of union organizers on some radio talk show* (maybe a month ago) and they were talking about how many of their members were Bernie supporters, certainly not a surprising revelation. But the kicker came when they would try to make sure that these rank & file guys would migrate to Hillary if/when Bernie fell by the wayside only to find that many of them would reply; "oh no, I'd go for Trump in that case". That there'd be some cross-over based on Bernie-baby and the Donald sharing at least some common ground on their opposition to some foreign trade agreements issues makes a bit of sense. But also, in addition to stories like this just re-re-re-pointing out how UNpopular Queen H. is even among her supposed natural constituency, it shows that at least a chunk of Trump's support is totally independent of party lines and loyalties or any kind of predictability. * just stumbled across it flipping dials on old-fashioned terrestrial radio late one night ... have no idea whose show it was or the specific guests
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| Lefty Specialist Apr 21 2016 06:47 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Peter King weasels out:
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| Mets Willets Point Apr 21 2016 09:46 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Really hard to use hyperbole in politics these days.
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| Ashie62 Apr 25 2016 04:28 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Cruz and Kasich have agreed to cut the "resources" they spend in Indiana Oregon and New Mexico.
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| Edgy MD Apr 25 2016 05:13 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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There's nothing analogous to collusion in what they've decided to do, and Trump just demonstrates his ignorance of both politics and economics by suggesting there is.
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| TransMonk Apr 25 2016 05:28 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Yeah, this seems perfectly legitimate (and I'm actually surprised they didn't do something like this weeks ago).
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 25 2016 06:00 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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And not for nothing, considering he has used the entire R nominating process to launch a scam vanity campaign, he probably deserves a few underhanded blows.
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| batmagadanleadoff Apr 25 2016 06:17 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I'm with Trump with respect to the nominating system itself. I don't know why a plurality of the delegates isn't good enough to win the nomination. Actually, I kinda do get it, but I don't agree with the rationale. It's absurd. The top vote-getter, or delegate-getter can't get the nomination with merely a plurality? So the thing to do then is to nominate a candidate who got even less delegates than the top plurality candidate? Maybe someone who didn't get any delegates. Or someone who didn't even run in the Primary. They can essentially do what they want because they can invent, make, change and amend the rules after the people have voted. And the will, or vote, of millions of registered voters isn't enough -- so then the nomination gets turned over to the will of just 1,237 individuals? That makes sense. 1,237? That's like a million fractions of one percent of the total population of this country. Or Brooklyn even. Meanwhile Trump is winning delegates who'd vote for someone else the first chance they get. Someone here upstream wrote that this Primary has a historical sense to it, over and above the usual historic nature of any Presidential primary. I agree and I think this GOP Primary will shine a long-needed light on the nominating process itself.
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| Ashie62 Apr 25 2016 06:23 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I would be interested in a lawyers opinion on this of which I am not one. I am not suggesting private business=politics, just offering a viewpoint. I understand this is a very liberal board and am not looking for validation or to piss anyone off.
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| Ashie62 Apr 25 2016 06:25 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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What is a scam vanity campaign? Being the loudest to be heard at any cost I guess?
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| batmagadanleadoff Apr 25 2016 06:25 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I know. Like we're supposed to believe that Trump's sincere desire to better the lives of the general public is what's driving his candidacy. Here's why Trump wants to be the Prez: [youtube]StJS51d1Fzg[/youtube]
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| Ashie62 Apr 25 2016 06:26 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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It is a one of a kind USA season. At least to me.
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| Ceetar Apr 25 2016 06:46 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Except, you know, it's a vote for a nomination, not for president. Those 1237 people are the party big-wigs. It's their party. They could make the rules whatever they want to make the rules. And it's not like it's even a representative sample. Through media/party promotion and staggered primaries, guys that dropped out states ago could easily have been what the bigger, later, states want. Hell, even if you add up all of Trumps votes that probably represents less 5% of registered republicans. So yeah, it's certainly fair not to pick him as your nominee.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 25 2016 06:54 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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No, its when a dumbass pandering egomaniac runs to be president with no goal beyond getting himself elected. I agree with whoever said that Trump's campaign is all about having been wounded by Obama's humiliating his "birther" crap at the Correspondents dinner. He is a small man.
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| batmagadanleadoff Apr 25 2016 07:19 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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So?
Some bigwigs. And mostly, party busybodies. But yeah, I get it. I don't agree. I suppose it comes down to how much of a say you believe the voters ought to have.
So? If Trump doesn't get the nomination, it'll instead, go to some candidate who got even less votes than Trump got. I don't see how denying Trump the nomination based on votes is compelling when it appears that he'll end up with more votes than any other GOP candidate.
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| Ceetar Apr 25 2016 07:50 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Because the whole point is beating the Democrats. Both parties view the election as a private battle between the two. Hell, many/most? voters do, and certainly most political writers. So to quibble over if they pick the guy that 3% voted for or 5% voted for? The hope is to put out a candidate that most people generally approve of, in the sense that they feel like they were part of the nomination process. Somebody voters, including many of the non-primary voters, feel good about and will actively leave the house to vote for against the Democrat. Democrats are having some of the same issues honestly, They're not getting a run-away favorite and people actively dislike the likely candidate to the point that they might stay home instead of voting.
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| batmagadanleadoff Apr 25 2016 07:59 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I get it. I just don't agree with it. It's like if I treated you to a dinner at some pricey restaurant, and after we were given menus, I told you that you can order anything you want -- that's less than $8.00. Why even bother? Why don't the party elites just lock themselves in a room and pick the candidate themselves? Anybody else that wants to run can go ahead and mount a third party campaign.
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| Ceetar Apr 25 2016 08:38 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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because they have a system set up where they're one of two. They don't want to encourage a third party runner, they want everyone to have to funnel through them.
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| Ashie62 Apr 25 2016 09:35 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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That would apply to all on both sides with the possible exception of Bernie. Dem side, but I dont believe anyone panders more than Hillary. She is just so ghetto.
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| TransMonk Apr 25 2016 09:47 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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This. The political parties are not government agencies. They are their own entity. THIS YEAR is precisely the way the rules are the way they are...so that the will of the party does not get trumped by the will of the people. If candidates (or voters, for that matter) do not like the primary process, they should not run (or vote) as part of the party. Period. But again, it would have been harder for Trump to get a seat at the big-boy table without all of these primaries and debates.
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| Frayed Knot Apr 25 2016 11:20 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Well of course for many years the parties did exactly that. Primaries now play a much larger role than they used to and the leader winning often enough can make any other conditions moot. But they've always just been designed to be part of the equation rather to the whole enchilada, hence the rules where delegates are bound to candidates for the first round of balloting only, or, on the Dem side, the Super-Delegate system.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 26 2016 05:47 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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A one of a kind USA season?
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| TransMonk Apr 27 2016 04:52 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Hey Ted, is this what desperation smells like?
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| Nymr83 Apr 27 2016 06:55 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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yeah, pretty weird to name her now, does he really think she gets him any votes? well, maybe if Trump says enough dumb things about her?
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| Edgy MD Apr 27 2016 07:17 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I think it's too little too late, but she works a room 10 times better than Cruz. With his campaign infrastructure and her campaigning skills, it might have mattered six weeks ago.
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| Lefty Specialist Apr 27 2016 07:19 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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He didn't name her, just let it leak that he's vetting her.
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| Edgy MD Apr 27 2016 07:26 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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There's an announcement set for this afternoon.
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| Lefty Specialist Apr 27 2016 07:43 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Wow, it really looks like it's official. Hard to see exactly what she brings to the table besides being the only woman who can stand to be in a room with Ted Cruz for more than 30 seconds.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 27 2016 08:02 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I'm sensitive to making remarks about people's looks in this line of work but she looks scarier than him most of the time.
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| Edgy MD Apr 27 2016 09:10 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Among other things, she's got California pedigree. Plus, it's a game change for a campaign with nothing to lose that it hasn't lost already. And again, she's 10 times more impressive on the stump than he is. She can talk without breathing.
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| TransMonk Apr 27 2016 10:12 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I know religious liberty is one of his main issues, but when I consider "religious liberty", the first thing I think of is how great it would be free from listening to what a dickhead politician like Ted Cruz prays about.
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| Frayed Knot Apr 27 2016 10:18 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Running mate for what remains the biggest question cuz, at this point, I think this whole thing has pretty much boiled down to naming the two most unpopular public figures in the country as the heads of the major party tickets.
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| Ashie62 Apr 27 2016 11:36 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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She does bring her experience at Lucent and Hewlett-Packard.
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| Nymr83 Apr 28 2016 03:51 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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So she'll be really good at helping Cruz CUT JOBS in his campaign team after the primaries? Zing!
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| Lefty Specialist Apr 28 2016 02:06 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Well, the H-P stock price fell 42% before she got fired by the company's board, so there's that.
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| themetfairy Apr 28 2016 02:08 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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That is scary creepy!
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| TransMonk Apr 28 2016 02:18 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Maybe, just maybe, she can bring a few women over from Trump to Cruz. And she is not a career politician, so maybe that might appeal to some of the Trump voters looking for outsider views (from someone other than Trump). And she does have more support in CA than other areas. But I think it is way too little and too late for this campaign which will be locked in its coffin by the time CA rolls around.
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| Nymr83 Apr 28 2016 03:10 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Wouldn't Meg Whitman have checked all the same boxes only with an actual record of successfully running a company?
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| MFS62 Apr 28 2016 03:39 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 28 2016 03:42 PM |
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If you need an example of her business acumen, I submit that the building in which I work was once the regional headquarters of H-P. Now, there isn't even a sign on that dumpster Lefty mentioned. And the blaze has just subsided. She really built that company up, eh? I wonder what she'll do to the Cruz organization. Later
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| Edgy MD Apr 28 2016 03:40 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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The campaign has given Ms. Fiorina an established profile that Ms. Whitman lacks. She also has the ideological purity that Cruz prides himself on.
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| Edgy MD Apr 28 2016 04:21 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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The whole Republican-establishment-is-trying-to-railroad-Trump theory is deeply damaged by the troubling reality that none of them (whoever they are) can say much nice about Senator Cruz.
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| batmagadanleadoff Apr 28 2016 04:39 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Cruz is unelectable, only he doesn't know it because he's also batshit crazy -- which is also the reason why he's unelectable in the first place. Not that Cruz'd know. (So's half of the GOP -- batshit crazy -- for even thinking that Cruz is a serious Presidential candidate). It's truly frightening how someone as intelligent as Cruz, someone who, as a young adult, could've put together a resume that would've been as impressive as anybody else's (same age) in the whole USA, could be so off the fucking wall. I think that this Fiorina move is more about stopping Trump by bolstering Cruz's support in CA's primary, which might be the StopTrump movement's last stand.
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| Nymr83 Apr 28 2016 07:26 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Please call them by their proper name #NeverTrump, be sure to include hash tag.
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| Ashie62 Apr 28 2016 11:16 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Being sarcastic, Lucent was sold to Alcatel for $1 a share under her watch and Hewlett Packard fired her.
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| Mets Guy in Michigan Apr 29 2016 10:35 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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This a a gift -- or perhaps coordinated with Cruz. Trump was starting to paint Cruz as the choice of the establishment. For the guy who was the face of the establishment to come out and say such things only boosts Cruz's outsider cred -- which he's going to need to flip Trump delegates at the convention.
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| Edgy MD Apr 29 2016 12:37 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Politics makes for strange gifts.
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| Frayed Knot Apr 29 2016 12:47 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Even if I were somehow totally neutral and/or uninformed on the subject of Trump's candidacy, I'd still find myself frantically running the other way based solely on the celebri-freaks who have crawled out from under their rocks to endorse him.
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| Edgy MD Apr 29 2016 01:21 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Who is Lenny Dykstra backing?
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| themetfairy Apr 29 2016 01:41 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I could not get to sleep last night. I blame this freakish clip!
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| Lefty Specialist May 03 2016 06:32 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Trump accuses Cruz' father of being in cahoots with Lee Harvey Oswald.
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| Edgy MD May 03 2016 07:37 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Yeah, Ms. Fiorina can sing me to sleep every night with her dulcet tones if it means she'll be in any way standing in front of the misbegotten candidacy of Donald Trump.
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| Frayed Knot May 03 2016 08:04 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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No less wacky than any number of JFK assassination theories.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket May 03 2016 08:54 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Trump no doubt believes them too - or at least, appears to lack the gene preventing the nonretarded from passing them along.
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| TransMonk May 03 2016 09:17 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I definitely think it is more the latter than the former.
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| Ashie62 May 03 2016 09:19 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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And with that said Trump will romp in Indiana and California.
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| TransMonk May 03 2016 09:21 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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No doubt.
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| Ashie62 May 03 2016 09:23 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Obama 3 on tap. I am erect with excitement.
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| Edgy MD May 04 2016 12:43 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Cruz reportedly dropping out. I am not excited.
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| Benjamin Grimm May 04 2016 12:50 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I find him as odious as Trump, but for different reasons.
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| Ashie62 May 04 2016 01:52 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Cruz has indeed suspended operations.
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| Nymr83 May 04 2016 02:44 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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We are now one Hillary-indictment away from President Trump.
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| MFS62 May 04 2016 03:34 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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This is going to get nasty real fast:
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| Edgy MD May 04 2016 12:11 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I disagree with the "going to get" part. This has been supremely nasty for a long time.
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| Frayed Knot May 04 2016 12:50 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Does this mean Carly's not going to be my Veep?!?
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| MFS62 May 04 2016 01:39 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Donald has been doing the nastiness on his own, shooting from the hip. Now it looks like he may hire a professional anti-Clinton mud slinger to get him more ammunition. I think it will raise (lower?) his nastiness to a new level. Later
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| Lefty Specialist May 04 2016 01:47 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Oofa. I thought Cruz would tough it out even if he lost. Carly gets credit for another layoff.
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| Edgy MD May 04 2016 02:07 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Latinos may hate Trump, but he did as OK as anybody among registered Latino Republican voters. In some states, he crashed and burned, but in others, he edged over 40%. Some Latino citizens live in solidarity with their cousins hiding in the shadows, I guess some have a chip on their shoulder over their legal status.
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| Mets Willets Point May 04 2016 04:22 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I pretty much saw this coming 9 months ago even as people insisted that there was no way Trump would get the nomination, but it's still shocking and painful. And the Democrats will inevitably cede the Presidency to Trump by insisting on nominating Clinton.
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| batmagadanleadoff May 04 2016 04:37 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 04 2016 04:42 PM |
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That's an interesting thought. D'ya think Trump'll defeat her head-to-head, without a third party candidate in the mix? That some scandal, like the e-mail thing, will be HRC's undoing? Some other scenario? Because the current polls and demographics show that Trump can't win. He doesn't have the female vote, or the Latino vote or the African-American vote -- and it's impossible to win without being competitive with those groups. Me, I'm already thinking ahead to 2020. 'Cause today, which might as well be 100 years away from 2020 instead of four, as far as these things go, I don't see HRC as a two-termer, but I'm worried that she'll run anyway as the, you know, incumbent.
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| sharpie May 04 2016 04:41 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Kasich dropping out later today.
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| Edgy MD May 04 2016 05:12 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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At least part of the blame must be ascribed to all the 90s rappers who worked Trump into their lyrics.
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| Ceetar May 04 2016 05:14 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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And don't worry, the 2020 election cycle begins..well, it's probably beginning now right?
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| Lefty Specialist May 04 2016 05:28 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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| Edgy MD May 04 2016 05:31 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Yeah, I believe all that.
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| TransMonk May 04 2016 06:07 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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EVERYBODY (except Willets) has been saying for almost a year that Trump is a joke and that he would derail his own train...yet, here he is. The Democrats would be fools to take him lightly based on polls that are out today. He is a snake-oil salesman and there are a lot of people who are swayed by whatever it is that he is doing. Also, Hillary is an extremely shitty and flawed candidate. Buckle up. I think this will be closer than anyone is predicting now.
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| Ashie62 May 04 2016 06:30 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Now Elizabeth "Cherokee" Warren knows who to rail at.
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| Edgy MD May 04 2016 06:31 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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If anybody is ever gonna run a third-party or independent candidacy, this is the year to do it.
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| Mets Willets Point May 04 2016 07:19 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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In 1994, the Virginia GOP nominated Oliver North to run for Senate. Senator John Warner refused to support North and endorsed a 3rd party candidate instead. Oh to have a prominent Republican as gutsy as John Warner right now.
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| Lefty Specialist May 04 2016 07:35 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Trump got traction because the Republican base (those who vote) were ready for his brand of xenophobia/racism/nationalism. Cruz tried to be cute by cozying up to the Donald early when by all rights he should have been bashing him. Had he done so way back when he might be the nominee now.
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| TransMonk May 04 2016 08:14 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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1000X this. I don't believe Sanders would ever beat Trump in a GE. All Trump would do for 6 months would stick the word "communist" in every speech, debate, press conference and tweet.
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| Ceetar May 04 2016 08:39 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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big deal? Communist isn't the scare word it might've been 30 years ago. Obviously it doesn't really matter since Sanders isn't getting the nomination, but I think there's a large swath of people that would vote for him that won't vote for Hillary (me among them) I think a much larger percent of those already supporting Hillary would toe the party line and vote for Sanders though.
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| TransMonk May 04 2016 09:00 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Really??? Have you seen the bullshit Trump has been peddling for months hat the "conservative" electorate is eating up? "Lyin' Ted", "Corrupt Hillary", "Commie Bernie"...it all has an effect whether it's true, false, scary or not.
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| Ashie62 May 04 2016 09:28 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Never say never. We have come this shockingly far.
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| Edgy MD May 05 2016 12:36 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I'm a Never Trumper. There, I just said it.
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| Lefty Specialist May 05 2016 03:07 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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This is kind of a defining moment for America. Electing someone as completely unqualified (and not interested in learning) as Trump would be disastrous not just for this country, but for the world. Sounds like hyperbole, but it's not. Anyone who's nominated has a chance to win.
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| Nymr83 May 05 2016 05:11 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Did Gary Johnson get the Libertarian nomination yet?
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| Benjamin Grimm May 05 2016 09:59 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I need to have Nate Silver tell me that everything is going to be okay.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket May 05 2016 10:53 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Sorry Ceets. Are you saying you'd prefer Trump to Clinton? Or does your vote go to someone else? My feeling is, the large base of sexist numbnuts who won't go Clinton no matter what have long since aligned with Trump anyhow. I've been behind Bernie as a message to HRC but have a good idea of where I'll go when the curtain closes.
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| Lefty Specialist May 05 2016 11:54 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Last year, Nate Silver said there was no way Trump could get the nomination. So he's not the warm blanket he used to be.
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| Ceetar May 05 2016 12:37 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I've softened on Trump. Originally I thought he was a racist bigoted idiot, now I'm not 100% sure what to think because everything he says is spur of the moment bs. (so, like, a normal politician apparently) I suspect, push come to shove in real situations that aren't him selling his brand he'd be better than Cruz so maybe I should be happy he got the nom. There were probably more reasonable people that dropped out of the race early, but lack of quality candidates is partially to blame for Trump. My vote goes elsewhere. I'm not a democrat and I know I'm not going enjoy the next 6 months of democrats trying to enlist me like the election is a private war between two parties. I voted for Obama because I thought he was a good candidate. I didn't vote for Kerry. maybe i'll vote for HEY HE STOLE THAT GUY'S, PIZZA [url]http://www.fec.gov/fecviewer/CandidateCommitteeDetail.do?candidateCommitteeId=P60021086&tabIndex=3
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| TransMonk May 05 2016 01:04 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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If you want to be "presidential", then even spur of the moment BS should not be hurtful towards several swaths of the (non-white, non-male, non-christian) public.
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| Ceetar May 05 2016 01:46 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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oh, I didn't mean he wasn't racist and bigoted, just maybe he's not quite AS racist and bigoted as his comments portray. I don't buy into a guy having to appear 'presidential' and I understand the allure of electing someone that's not a polished politician. Of course, I mean I want to elect someone that's more substance than stance, not someone that's still charismatic but talks about 'issues' in a less polished way. What I mean to say is that I don't think, when he's put at a table in a discussion with presumably smart people discussing things like immigration, he's going to immediate go to the "screw 'em, deport them all" rhetoric that he's spouting, and that just maybe he'd approach it with some reason, or at least more reason than guys like Cruz, which granted is a low bar
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| Edgy MD May 05 2016 01:52 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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It's disappointing to think it's no longer important it is to act like a dignified adult in human company.
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| metsmarathon May 05 2016 03:34 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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aside from the fact that trump is a supposedly accomplished businessman (whose primary accomplishments are building gaudy buildings & casinos, and leveraging his name to enable a string of strategic bankruptcies), what has he demonstrated that should lend any credence to the notion that he might be a reasonable, informed, intelligent person capable of forming consensus and successfully leading a government and nation?
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| Edgy MD May 05 2016 03:39 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Yeah, the big lie that he's slid by on is that his rhetoric has merely exposed him as refreshingly unpolished and unscripted and "politically incorrect," whatever that means.
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| TransMonk May 05 2016 03:57 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I would throw out that Trump was (by far) the best "politician" of anyone in the Republican race. He may not have the dozens (maybe hundreds?) of years in elected life of all of the combined foes he knocked off, but he did play the best "political" game of any of them.
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| Ceetar May 05 2016 04:19 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Well, people have dug up quotes that he's had different, more nuanced, stances on many of things he's shouted about. But I'm not saying he might be reasonable, informed, or intelligent about it, merely that I think he's less honest in his blustering about things like 'arrest all the women who have abortions' than say Ted Cruz.
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| sharpie May 05 2016 04:46 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Politicians tend to at least try to do what they say they are going to do. It is always foolish to think "well, he says this shit but he doesn't really believe it and he probably won't be so bad." George W. Bush campaigned saying that he would appoint judges like Clarence Thomas and that's what he did. People projected things onto both Bush and Obama (thinking that both of them were to the left of where they really were) thinking that for campaign purposes they had to say things that people on the left didn't like. They were wrong. If they had listened to what the candidates actually said they both governed pretty much like they said they would (with Obama being stymied by a Republican congress). If Trump says that he will try to deport all of the illegal Mexicans and build a wall, then you can assume that he will try to do exactly that.
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| Ashie62 May 05 2016 05:52 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Ala Saturday Night Live I see Trump as Ackroyd and Clinton as Jane Curtin with the Trump version saying,
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| Ashie62 May 05 2016 05:55 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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People who know what "paleolithic" means are not in Trump's demographic.
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| Edgy MD May 05 2016 06:20 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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But... and this is a big part of the problem... this ain't about the entertainment value. The proliferation of satire has accustomed us to seeing the impact of our polity in terms of its satirical value.
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| Lefty Specialist May 05 2016 07:31 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Just once I want Trump to be sat down to an interview he doesn't control and be asked detailed questions with real follow-ups.
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| Lefty Specialist May 05 2016 07:49 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Bear in mind that Hillary sat through an 11-hour grilling by a Congressional committee whose sole purpose was to embarrass her about Benghazi and they couldn't lay a glove on her. I'd like to see Trump subjected to the same treatment.
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| TransMonk May 05 2016 07:53 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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| d'Kong76 May 05 2016 10:47 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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¡Holy guacamole!
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| d'Kong76 May 13 2016 03:21 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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*test*
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| d'Kong76 May 13 2016 03:23 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I knew this thread was going to be one of the wonky ones. About ten
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| cooby classic May 13 2016 03:23 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I agree with kylemann btw about the sun. Not sure what it meant in this context though
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| Zvon May 16 2016 09:35 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Should I put this in both the R & the D? You may have noticed I don't talk politics online. But for Vin I'll make an exception.
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| Lefty Specialist May 16 2016 12:52 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Scully's foreign and economic policy HAVE to be better than The Donald's. Vin's probably not as much of a Putin fanboy, either.
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| Ashie62 May 18 2016 04:42 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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It believe it is a mistake to underestimate Trump's ability to win in November.
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| Lefty Specialist May 18 2016 06:46 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Well, I wouldn't underestimate it. A lot can happen in 6 months. The Clinton people certainly aren't underestimating it, though. And a Democrat can attack him in so many ways that a Republican couldn't. They held their fire until it was too late. That won't be a problem with Hillary. The Republicans sat around, not wanting to irritate The Donald, thinking they could scoop up his supporters when he inevitably did something to crash and burn. Ted Cruz was Exhibit A of this. Had he gone after him early, he'd be the nominee now. (Scary!) This will be a campaign about tearing down supposed strengths of the opposition. Trump will try to blunt the 'woman card' by saying Bill Clinton is an abuser of women and Hillary's the enabler. He'll attack her time as Secretary of State by repeating the word 'Benghazi' a lot. He'll give her a nickname, like he gave Lyin' Ted and Little Marco. She, on the other hand, has too many targets. She's already going after his taxes. Her surrogates will go after his small hands. And she's already using his words against him. Remember that this is a guy who wants to treat the national debt like the debt of a bankrupt casino. She'll take every opportunity to point out the enormity of what he doesn't know, and the wrongness of what he does know. She'll have plenty of money to do it, too, since Trump is new to the whole donor solicitation game and she's a pro. Any party nominee has a reasonable chance to win in November. Trump will start from a 40% Republican base. He'll win some traditionally red states, simply because Hillary. But it'll be hard to see how he expands his base from there. There'll be a lot of sitting this one out on the Republican side, I'd reckon. If you're a one-issue abortion voter, you don't trust Trump. If you're a woman, black, Latino, Gay or an immigrant of any kind, you don't trust Trump. And his lifestyle is making freaking UTAH competitive. He can win, but I'd sure rather be Hillary than him at this point. There's a hard-core 15-20% of Republicans that despise him. For all the wailing of the Bernie Bro's, they'll come home in November; not so sure about the #NeverTrump people. They'll be focusing their energies and their money down-ballot, hoping to minimize the storm damage to the Senate and House.
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| TransMonk May 19 2016 04:41 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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| Lefty Specialist May 19 2016 05:42 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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A truly scary thought.... Major party nominees get security briefings. What the hell do they do with a Twitter addict like Trump?
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| Ashie62 May 20 2016 12:44 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Hillary claimed terrorism also.
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| TransMonk May 20 2016 02:49 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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She sure did...much later in the day...and in a much more measured tone. Still, shame on both of them.
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| Edgy MD May 20 2016 03:24 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I don't respect it. But I certainly understand it. Fear, retribution, scapegoating, demagoguery: These things sell.
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| Ashie62 May 20 2016 04:10 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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You are pretty much on the money. I am Mormon and if nothing else we smile alot, are generally polite and funny. They rejected Trump with prejudice. I find it ironic they flocked to Ted Cruz. This state in in play. Hilary has and will almost certainly have the best ground game here. Yes, it will be ugly and I would say Trump is far more likely to damage himself in a debate. I hope his peeples get him off Twitter for his own good. It will be a battle to change some colors of the states. Lastly, how many disenfranchised pissed racist voters who are voting for the first time go to Trump? Sadly thats what he needs. General election thread will be up before we know it.
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| Edgy MD May 20 2016 04:27 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I hope his peeples get him off Twitter for all of our good, really. That potential scenario noted above about him leaking classified information from security briefings during a late night Twitter binge scares my underpants off.
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| Nymr83 May 20 2016 05:56 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Better that Hillary leaks it to her friends, family, and Chinese hackers on her unsecured email. At least the Donald is telling all of us! on a related note, I saw a poll today that had Gary Johnson at 10% in a 3-way race with 75% of respondents having never heard of him. America wants to trust someone and neither party is providing.
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| Ceetar May 20 2016 06:11 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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There is always the newly registered Check, Mic
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| Lefty Specialist May 20 2016 07:29 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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You can bet Chinese hackers have broken into State Department e-mail servers too. We've also probably broken into theirs as well, many times over on both sides. Nothing electronic is truly secure, no matter how hard you try.
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| Nymr83 May 20 2016 07:44 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I'm willing to bet he at least doubles that and possibly does far better. Does he do enough to change the vote in any states? maybe. Actually win a state? probably not.
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| Edgy MD May 20 2016 07:48 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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The problem is judging this race by what always happens has failed us miserably, particularly within this thread. I'm as guilty as any and maybe moreso than most.
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| Lefty Specialist May 20 2016 08:09 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Well, if he does better, it'll mostly be at the expense of Drumpf. There's a lot more Republican/Libertarian crossover than Democrat/Libertarian crossover. And win a state? Umm, no.
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| Ashie62 May 20 2016 09:29 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I have not seen Gary Johnson's named floated about. Is something up?
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| batmagadanleadoff May 25 2016 02:03 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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| Ashie62 May 26 2016 01:57 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Trump clinches same day as Hillary. 6/7
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| TransMonk May 26 2016 05:18 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Trump clinches today (thanks to unpledged delegates, uh, pledging I guess).
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| Ashie62 May 26 2016 09:57 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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A few unbounds made the number.
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| Ceetar May 27 2016 04:15 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I mean, the Bush white house lost millions of emails but I guess if you're not running for president no one cares. Just like no one cared about Clinton's until it was time for the election coverage. Hell, it appears many of the (former) candidates for president did the same thing, saw a blurb about Jeb having a private server too.
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| Edgy MD May 27 2016 04:25 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I hope we can all agree that the standards for the US secretary of state are somewhat different from the standards for the governor of Florida, and the standards of 1999 are very different from the standards of 2009.
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| Ceetar May 27 2016 05:46 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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no, it's about discussing that objective standard, which clearly doesn't exist. and I believe it was 2007 not 1999 that the White House had the similar issue. Bush is a governor, but Rubio is a senator. No one would be talking about Clinton's emails if she was just the senator for New York and not running for president. And almost no one is talking about the 'objective standard' of email use in government, and is instead focusing on Clinton herself. Security is certainly an issue, but it's an issue apart from the election and is only being used in mud-slinging ways right now. My response was meant to illuminate that it IS still an issue, and it HAS been an issue for a while, in many different places other than Hillary's home.
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| Edgy MD May 27 2016 05:51 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Thanks. Another sweetheart of a post.
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| d'Kong76 May 27 2016 05:57 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I'm surprised the indictment hasn't come, and of course I'm not.
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| d'Kong76 May 27 2016 05:59 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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| Lefty Specialist May 27 2016 09:23 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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If objective standards existed, Donald Trump would have been laughed off the stage months ago. Obviously, they don't.
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| Edgy MD May 28 2016 01:26 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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We're talking about explicit laws and the policies of federal departments and agencies. There's no relativism here.
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| d'Kong76 May 28 2016 02:02 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Are you asking me or the forum in general?
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| Edgy MD May 28 2016 03:44 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Of course there's a third choice, and a fifth, sixth, seventh, and ten millionth. I've voted write-ins before and I'll happily do write-ins going forward.
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| Ashie62 May 28 2016 09:41 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I've always thought of "Political Science" as an oxymoron. It really is a mix of the mix subjective and objective thought. You just don't know.
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| Chad Ochoseis May 28 2016 02:56 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Unfortunately, because of the batty way we count votes in this country, one sure is dependent on the other. If Hillary proves herself to be enough of a bozo that a meaningful percentage of her supporters defect to a write-in candidate, they're helping to elect Trump in the same way that leftish Nader voters helped elect GWB in 2000. Therefore, Hillary would have to prove herself to be a bigger bozo than Trump before I'd move to a write-in candidate. And that's a very, very, very, extremely high (or low?) bar. If the President were elected by a majority of the popular vote, with a runoff among the top candidates if no candidate received a majority - or, even better, a system like this one - it wouldn't matter. You could go ahead and vote for whomever you wanted in the first round without being concerned about helping a Trump, and then vote for the lesser of two evils in a runoff. But we've got the system we've got.
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| Lefty Specialist May 28 2016 03:45 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Well, sure, you can write in anybody. Mickey Mouse probably averages a few thousand votes per presidential campaign. But essentially there'll be two choices that have any reasonable shot of winning.
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| Ashie62 May 28 2016 04:52 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Jumping ahead its about who wins in Novenber.
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| Nymr83 May 30 2016 01:31 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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This is what Donald Fucking Trump has done. He has gotten us to the point where I can read two straight paragraphs from LS in a politics thread and agree with them. And this is the problem with our system - We are SIX WHOLE MONTHS from a National Election and we are at the point where more than 50% of the nation feels they have no good choice on election day. solve THAT problem.
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| Edgy MD May 30 2016 03:18 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Yeah, I'm told by both supporters of both candidates that my voting for a write-in candidate is a vote for the enemy. It's not, it's a vote that represents my conscience. I have no problems with Nader voters for voting theirs.
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| Frayed Knot May 30 2016 03:59 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Yeah that's the thing, by surrendering to the idea that no choice exists other than a vote for one major party or the other you wind up rubber-stamping their poor choice of candidates with no feedback to them at all that they need to do a better job next time or even that they did a poor one this time. So don't automatically dismiss the idea of voting Green, or Libertarian, or 'Slightly Silly' party, or whoever, simply for the message it will send.
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| Lefty Specialist May 30 2016 01:46 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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"If you want to send a message, try Western Union."
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| Edgy MD May 30 2016 02:38 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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My message is just the same as every other voter. I'm asked who I want to be president and I show up at the polling station and answer.
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| Frayed Knot May 30 2016 04:25 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I'm reminded of the race in Louisiana a bunch of years ago when KKK supporter David Duke was running for something (senator? governor?) against a Democrat with some sort of criminal record against him (which, in Louisiana, often seems more like a given than a hinderance).
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| Lefty Specialist May 30 2016 10:43 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I know a lot of Republican women who feel exactly the way you do. The Republicans have been very good at voter suppression. They're about to see how it feels.
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| Edgy MD May 30 2016 11:27 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I'm not suppressed.
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| Nymr83 May 31 2016 01:30 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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its important to suppress the vote to counteract the illegals and dead people who all vote democrat.
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| Ceetar May 31 2016 02:11 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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if we're playing the No True Scotsman card, the illegals and dead people might be better citizens than a large swath of Trump voters.
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| Nymr83 May 31 2016 04:05 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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this might be true.
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| MFS62 May 31 2016 12:38 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Many of them look like the Hedley Lamar sign-up line in Blazing Saddles. Later
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| Lefty Specialist May 31 2016 01:52 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Well, they'll be self-suppressing. Kind of like Mitt Romney's illegal immigrants who were going to self-deport.
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| Nymr83 Jun 01 2016 12:34 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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i'm getting tired of liking your posts more than i used to. F YOU DONALD TRUMP!!!
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| Lefty Specialist Jun 01 2016 07:22 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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| Ashie62 Jun 02 2016 12:16 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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It would appear support for the Donald will largely be in the form of neverhillary#
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| Lefty Specialist Jun 02 2016 11:58 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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That's true. Hillary does bring Republican haters out of the woodwork, which is why I'd have expected her to lose against a Romney-type candidate. Drumpf's 'Crooked Hillary' nickname is about where they're at.
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| Edgy MD Jun 02 2016 12:36 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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We also have reams of video of Japan responding.
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| Lefty Specialist Jun 02 2016 12:59 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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And it's not pretty. 
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| Lefty Specialist Jun 03 2016 02:22 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Headlines you never thought you'd see:
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| metsmarathon Jun 09 2016 05:51 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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an on-point, timely - and surprisingly SFW - comic from the oatmeal.
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| Vic Sage Jun 09 2016 09:02 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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did a big chunk of this thread go missing or am i hallucinating again?
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| Ashie62 Jun 11 2016 12:53 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 Edited 3 time(s), most recently on Jun 12 2016 05:53 PM |
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| Frayed Knot Jun 11 2016 01:02 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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The thread is 29 pages long. If something went missing it can't be much!
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| Nymr83 Jun 22 2016 04:13 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Rubio has rejoined the Senate race... Shocker.
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| Lefty Specialist Jun 23 2016 01:04 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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It's all about 2020. Of course, if he loses, he's toast, and time to get the cushy lobbying job.
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| Edgy MD Jun 24 2016 01:03 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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That's from the grown-up, scripted, teleprompter speech he gave two days ago. I'm in the refugee game, and this is akin to saying, "For what your mother spends on hairpins, we could rebuild this entire house from the ground up." It's so utterly divorced from reality that it should be disqualifying in it's own right. But among all that preceded and followed it, it exists in it's own cloud of risible nonsense so vast that it has become a new reality that huge groups of people believe they can inhabit. The irony is that the ideology of the cloud's would-be inhabitants includes hostility toward bailouts, and subsidies, and safety nets, but that's exactly what these folks are going to need when this reality collapses upon itself.
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| Edgy MD Jun 24 2016 04:12 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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| Vic Sage Jun 24 2016 04:54 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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"cocksplat"... ya gotta love it.
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| Edgy MD Jun 26 2016 01:47 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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George Will has joined Mary Matalin, among others, announcing his resignation from the Republican Party.
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| Frayed Knot Jun 27 2016 12:50 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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When given the opportunity to respond to Trump's response to him leaving the party (Trump predictably called him "over-rated" and some variation of worst columnist ever, etc.) Will declined on the basis that it would be an unfair fight; 'Trump can say everything he knows about a subject in 140 characters or less and I can't'.
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| Benjamin Grimm Jun 27 2016 01:09 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Oh, SNAP!
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| Lefty Specialist Jun 27 2016 06:02 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Yeah, that's a pretty funny comment from Will. Yeah, sure he says he's changing his registration, but he'll be voting for Republicans down the line.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 27 2016 06:08 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I abandoned my previous good judgement and went after a moron Trump fan/guy I used to know in high school on the ol' Facebook this weekend.
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| d'Kong76 Jun 27 2016 06:09 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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LS, your head would explode if you read some of the things my
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| Edgy MD Jun 27 2016 06:47 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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When it comes to taking on Trump supporters, my alleged judgment is shot to shit. If I was somebody else, I'd be embarrassed for me.
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| d'Kong76 Jun 27 2016 07:42 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Trump is so far up a few of my very old friends collective asses, it
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| metsmarathon Jun 27 2016 08:26 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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my mom is a trump supporter.
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| metsmarathon Jun 27 2016 08:29 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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i've had my facebook fun earlier this primary season. i'm out.
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| Ceetar Jun 27 2016 08:40 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I only dabble at the fringes but I'm shocked at how many political 'experts' there are. Occasionally I see a headline that looks interesting to me and read it and often end up thinking "yeah, no, that's not quite right." or "That certainly takes liberties with what a large swath of people think."
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| Nymr83 Jun 28 2016 12:49 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I thought he was using our tax dollars for that?
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 28 2016 10:44 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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But of course.
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| Lefty Specialist Jun 28 2016 12:40 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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And that's what I've noted about Trump supporters; they're a lot more set in their ways. I've had plenty of conversations with conservatives, but the Trump supporter is a whole nother animal. It's like they made their decision and even if he really does shoot someone on Fifth Avenue, they'll still vote for him.
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| Frayed Knot Jun 28 2016 12:52 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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It's the whole cult of personality thing, people who get behind a certain candidate because they're for HIM rather than because of any particular plan or philosophy. They don't know HOW their chosen one is going to make things better but they've been sold on the idea that he/she will and that's all they need to know.
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| Edgy MD Jun 28 2016 01:16 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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I've played the "Can you name a single virtue?" card.
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| metsmarathon Jun 28 2016 01:32 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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but he's a successful businessman...!
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| Vic Sage Jun 28 2016 01:57 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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you guys are trying to use rationality to counter an irrational impulse. You're no more going to talk them out of following their messiah than you could talk a fundamentalist out of following theirs.
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| Ceetar Jun 28 2016 02:45 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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It's somewhat a factor of the stupid two-party system too. It's easy to not like Hillary. Most voters are not digging deep into voting records or positions (And most people know politicians lie anyway) so it's about picking a person who's charismatic. There's little choice. It's pretty close to a popularity contest. There are any number of qualified, interesting, even charismatic people running for president or that would run for president, they just don't have the infrastructure or money behind them to break into the conversation because the two parties that are having the conversation really really really want it to be just the two of them.
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| Lefty Specialist Jun 28 2016 02:59 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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There's also a fair amount of 'let's burn this thing to the ground' sentiment in there.
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| Edgy MD Jun 28 2016 09:01 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Yeah, most of what I get from folks is how delightful it is to use him to say fuck you to ... somebody. Messiahs have qualities. He's not seen as a messiah so much as an avenger.
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| Edgy MD Jul 21 2016 01:42 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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District of Columbia delegates cast their votes — 10 for Senator Rubio, and nine for Governor Kasich — and essentially get told, "Oh no you don't, 19 votes for Mr. Trump."
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| d'Kong76 Jul 21 2016 01:49 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Funny though, it kinda sounds like the Clintons last two decades.
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| Lefty Specialist Jul 22 2016 12:41 AM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Not by a long shot. I mean, really. If it worked that way she would have been president in 2008, wouldn't she?
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 23 2016 04:20 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Overheard a couple of ranting next-table-over conversations at diners and such in the last few weeks, snd, well, the most popular target appears to be our government. Not just Those Guys In Washington (although, certainly, those guys too), but, like, the whole political system. Give me a Decision Maker, they seem to be saying, the more Duce-y the better. Make America Great Again... by ending the American Experiment.
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| Edgy MD Jul 23 2016 04:39 PM Re: Republican Race 2016 |
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Hmmm. Forget Drumpf. I think the nation needs to commonly refer to him as Il Douche.
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