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Mets sign Jose Lima

HappyRecap Feb 14 2006 04:08 PM

According to cnnsi: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/transactions/today.html Who knows what he has left but it follows Omar's pattern with Los Mets.

Edgy DC Feb 14 2006 04:16 PM Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Feb 14 2006 04:43 PM

So, Anna Benson suggests that Mets are wusses about having players with distracting wives, huh? HUH?

MFS62 Feb 14 2006 04:18 PM

She makes my team. Edgy, I had posted this to the 25 man roster thread. But without that picture. Later

metirish Feb 14 2006 04:19 PM

Damn.....they look bigger than Anna's....

Edgy DC Feb 14 2006 04:19 PM

Yes, I read it. Let's not scramble for credit for dropping news.

MFS62 Feb 14 2006 04:25 PM

Edgy DC wrote: Yes, I read it. Let's not scramble for credit for dropping news. I wasn't. I was lauding the addition of the picture. Was the 25 man thread not the appropriate place for my post? I always post such stuff there to give you a heads up in case you missed them. You seem to have the most up to date roster found anywhere on the web. Later

Edgy DC Feb 14 2006 04:26 PM

This was pretty notorious. The Dodgers and mlb.com had the shot up. It was all over the internet in a few hours, and was duly replaced by this one:

Johnny Dickshot Feb 14 2006 04:38 PM

Jeebus.

KC Feb 14 2006 04:41 PM

Those are some big ass tits.

mlbaseballtalk Feb 14 2006 04:55 PM

Lima Time got the chicks! BEE-LIVE IT!

Zvon Feb 14 2006 05:38 PM

I met Lima when he was playing for the Newark Bears and was in AC to play the Surf afew years ago. He came into my office for financial assistance. Seemed like a very nice guy. He was tall, dressed snappy, and had what I believe was an all star game ring on. It was the ring that got my attention. And then I saw his signature and knew who he was. He was very gracious and classy. He said then that he'd be back in MLB before long, and he did get back, and did well, with KC and LA. He looked all done last year tho. I wish him the best but I dont see him makin the club. That would be a pleasant surprize tho, if he did and he was effective.

GYC Feb 14 2006 05:46 PM

Anna who?

cooby Feb 14 2006 05:53 PM

Ha! They look like water balloons!

Nymr83 Feb 14 2006 06:09 PM

GYC wrote: Anna who? indeed, this chick is way hotter and probably not as big a media whore to boot.

smg58 Feb 14 2006 07:16 PM

He's a zero-risk reclamation project, so why not? My guess is there's still some upside there, but it may take more than spring training to get it back. If he's willing to spend time in Norfolk and possibly shift to the bullpen, I could see him contributing after the All-Star break.

martin Feb 14 2006 08:08 PM

i think anna benson is prettier. mrs. lima just got lucky with the angle on her big ole boobie in that one photo. she is alright, but anna benson has really outstanding teeth and a superior overall looks package. here is lima without the shades:

cooby Feb 14 2006 08:15 PM

VS Sure, martin, if you like the Fergie look

Nymr83 Feb 14 2006 08:17 PM

i still like her better... yeah Lima could be worth having at AAA especially with our suddenly not-so-deep rotation. If everyone is performing up to their potential he's still behind Soler and maybe Bannister but ahead of Maine and Iriki i'd think, and if those guys aren't doing well he could very well be the 6th starter.

metirish Feb 14 2006 08:22 PM

Cooby I think fair play is needed here, I mean that is a terrible picture of the dearly departed....

Nymr83 Feb 14 2006 08:30 PM

yeah but your picture is obviously a publicity photo as of where the picture of Mrs. Lima is a "natural" shot. I invite you to find the "natural" shots of Anna from the Post when benson was traded, she's not looking so good unless he's all done up as of where Mrs. Lima looks good anyway.

Frayed Knot Feb 14 2006 08:33 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 14 2006 08:47 PM

IT'S LIMA TIME!!!! Or maybe not. Actually, hopefully not. He'd probably be real popular in NYC if he can still pitch. I remember having some field level LF seats a few years back when he was still with Houston and he was making a whole buncha young friends by enthusiastically signing 'graphs. Problem is, aside from a brief span a few years ago he hasn't proven that he can with any kind of effectiveness. As mentioned above, it's a no-risk move. But if we need him it prolly means things aren't going well.

metirish Feb 14 2006 08:40 PM

]yeah but your picture is obviously a publicity photo as of where the picture of Mrs. Lima is a "natural" shot. I invite you to find the "natural" shots of Anna from the Post when benson was traded, she's not looking so good unless he's all done up as of where Mrs. Lima looks good anyway. Fair point Nymr83, I like your use of the word 'natural'..here are the pics you invited me to find.. She had FMH at the press conference...:)

Edgy DC Feb 14 2006 09:12 PM

Sorry to launch a hooozehotter contest.

cooby Feb 14 2006 09:13 PM

I would submit that a blond, wholesome, bovine like female takes the prize over any overly madeup bovine like female any day

cooby Feb 14 2006 09:14 PM

I will admit, that when made up, Anna is quite fetching. But come on, when she's not she's not. And Kris looks like a cadaver

metirish Feb 14 2006 09:19 PM

Edy after you posted that pic this was always going to turn into a 'hoozehotter' contest....it's the way we are I 'spose..Cooby that was cruel on Kris, just cos he looks like Glavine is not his fault...as for Anna I like her...surprise..:)

cooby Feb 14 2006 09:26 PM

Well I think he just needs to eat some meat

Rotblatt Feb 15 2006 05:48 AM

Not to distract from the who-would-you-rather discussion (Lima's wife, BTW, although it was a toughee--Anna's hotter and she probably gets freaky, but I bet she talks about herself (possibly in the third person) the whole time), but Lima's got a weird track record. He was pretty valuable in 98 (ERA+ of 110) and 99 (121), replacment level or worse between 2000 & 2002 (74, 81, 54), then a little above average in 2003 & 2004 before sucking again last year (62). He's got anywhere from good to marvelous control, but the man gives up a lot of taters and doesn't strike out many, leaving him little room for error. He's also been pretty durable throughout his career, averaging 183.3 innings a year. PECOTA doesn't really know what to expect of him (huge variation between his 10th & 90th percentiles), but his weighted mean is essentially replacement level-- 5.33 ERA, 1.49 WHIP. I suspect Shea will really help him in the HR department, though. I think he's good insurance and like the signing.

Benjamin Grimm Feb 15 2006 06:05 AM

Lima had a 6.99 ERA last year with Kansas City, and he got 32 starts! I can't help but think that instead of continuing to trot Lima out there, the Royals could have given three or four starts each to some of their AAA or even AA pitchers.

Benjamin Grimm Feb 15 2006 06:07 AM

Also, I notice that the name of this photo is "lima_before" Clearly, though, that's an after shot of Mrs. Lima. Those things can't be real. I'd prefer real and not bodacious to artificially bodacious any time.

metirish Feb 15 2006 07:33 AM

I'm expecting as much from Lima as I was from James Baldwin, but who knows, maybe he wins a few games as a spot starter.

Willets Point Feb 15 2006 07:40 AM

Tacky and tastless (and funny)

metirish Feb 15 2006 07:41 AM

Damn....they move...

Edgy DC Feb 15 2006 07:58 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 16 2006 06:10 AM

The "after" shot is the one with Melissa cropped out. The headline to this story should be "Norfolk Needs Pitchers Too." I think KC would tell you that they did throw a couple of starts to each of their AAA pitchers. They had eleven different starters in 2005, and still had enough room for a Whole Lotta Lima. Their pitching staff was disastrous last year, including one of those buried Mets Jaime Cerda.

MFS62 Feb 15 2006 07:58 AM

HOLY COW! Can we get back to baseball? I heard someone on ESPN radio in NY interview Omar yesterday. Omar was asked if he was concerned by the lack of starting depth on the team. He said that it is a case of numbers, and he felt comfortable with pitchers like Bannister, Maine, Heilmann (why in this context?) and others ready to step in should one of the starters falter. I'm not sure whether the LIma signing was completed before or after that interview. But he is probably part of that plan. Later

seawolf17 Feb 16 2006 04:47 AM

[url=http://www.progressiveboink.com/dugout/archive/nick19.htm]The Dugout[/url] weighs in.

Johnny Dickshot Feb 16 2006 05:17 AM

classic.

Johnny Dickshot Feb 17 2006 05:25 AM

Good quotes throughout this article ]Lima's Shot With Mets No Laughing Matter By BEN SHPIGEL PORT ST. LUCIE, Fla., Feb. 16 — Pedro Martínez was cackling into his cellphone when another one rang a few feet behind him. It belonged to Jay Horwitz, the Mets' vice president for media relations, and the voice on the other end was Jose Lima's, the national anthem-crooning, towel-waving merengue singer who moonlights as a right-handed pitcher. "It's Lima Time," Horwitz said. Martínez abruptly ended his call and swiveled his head as Horwitz finished his conversation. "That was Jose Lima?" Martínez said. "Why was he calling you?" "Because we signed him, Pedro," Horwitz said. Martínez's eyes widened. "We signed him for real? Oh, not Jose Lima." Martínez buried his face in his hands and started laughing uncontrollably. "Lima!" he shouted. "Oh, no. This is going to be one crazy clubhouse." Martínez, who last season was delighted with an unscheduled sprinkler shower on the pitching mound, tried to teach Spanish to the South Korean reliever Dae Sung Koo and bestowed teammates with names like "papaya head" and "fortune cookie," is the official source of comic relief in the Mets' clubhouse. Letting the zany Lima, who has signed a minor league deal with the Mets, inhabit a locker fewer than five feet from Martínez is an invitation for all sorts of spring-training hijinks. "Any time you've got players with these sorts of personalities, they're bound to lighten up the entire mood," the pitching coach Rick Peterson said. "It's great for everybody." Lima swooped into the Mets' clubhouse late Thursday morning wearing a silver three-piece suit, a black fedora and diamond earrings roughly the size of a bottle cap. He primped and preened for photographers in front of his new jersey (No. 99) and promptly proclaimed that he owned more than 2,000 suits. "I've never worn the same one twice," he said, before changing into more casual clothes. "I give the old ones to my brothers. They wear the same size that I do." Paul Lo Duca, Lima's teammate with the Los Angeles Dodgers in 2004, nodded in agreement and then, eyeing Lima's outfit, called him "the Dominican Crocodile Dundee." Lima bent over laughing. "No, Paul Lo Duca, I'm missing the boots," he said. As much as the Mets figure to enjoy Lima's looseness and animated personality, they would prefer a return to his 2004 form, when he won 13 games for the Dodgers and helped to put them into the postseason. Officially, there is a competition for the fifth spot in the Mets' rotation, with Aaron Heilman, Brian Bannister, Yusaku Iriki, Alay Soler, John Maine and Lima all in contention. But the Mets clearly envision Heilman, who had a standout 2005 season as a reliever, emerging from the pack. His locker is in a row with the other starting pitchers, including Martínez, who has an empty cubicle beside him. Lima figures to occupy that seat more than a few times. "I'm just going to watch Pedro this spring," Lima said. "There's so much I can learn from him." On Thursday, the two Dominican pitchers — Lima, 33, is a year younger than Martínez — got together privately in a restricted area of the clubhouse. They could not be seen, but their laughter could be heard. But until proven otherwise, Lima is a long shot to make the team. That is what happens when you go 5-16 in 32 starts in 2005, with a 6.99 earned run average, with all of the damage occurring while pitching for a bad Kansas City club. At the end of the season, Lima heard that he was done, that no team wanted to take a chance on him. He returned to the Dominican Republic and said he had a fantastic season in winter ball pitching for Aguilas. He has no shortage of confidence. He said he expects to be part of the Mets' opening-day roster. Whether that is as a starter or reliever, Lima does not care. "Whatever, I'm not picky," Lima said, smiling. "I'm just proud to be wearing that uniform." Pitching for a team in New York seems more his speed. The more people who witness his fist pumping, shouting and moments of talking to himself on the mound, the better, he says. During his only season in Los Angeles, Lima once did a pregame performance with his salsa band, Banda Mambo, in the Dodger Stadium parking lot. Do not expect much in the way of dancing for the next week or so, though. Lima said he wanted to ease into the routine here before unleashing hip gyrations or reminding his teammates of a merengue album he once recorded that was called, "The Mambo of Lima." And first he wants to prove that after 12 moderately successful, and rarely boring, major league seasons, he can enjoy a 13th. The test begins Saturday, with the first official workout. "I'm so excited that I don't know if I'm going to be able to sleep Friday night," Lima said. His alarm will ring early the next morning, signaling that Lima Time is about to begin.

metirish Feb 17 2006 07:35 AM

]"the Dominican Crocodile Dundee." love it

Edgy DC Feb 17 2006 07:37 AM

How much pimp is too much pimp?

MFS62 Feb 17 2006 09:24 AM

I dunno. How do you measure pimp? Is there an acceptable amount of pimp? A munimum or maximum amount of pimp allowed? Does that differ by circumstances? What are those circumstances? What are the penalties if you exceed the limits? Is pimp a matter of national security? Inquiring minds want to know. Later

Rotblatt Feb 17 2006 11:01 AM

MFS62 wrote: How do you measure pimp? There are several outstanding metrics used to measure pimp, but I'm personally fond of BP's WHOMP--the formula follows: SQRT(# of suits in Wardrobe) + (# of Ho's)^2 + (est. $ value of Outrageous bling on person)/100 + (# of letters in Moniker)*2 + est. value of Pimpin' ride/1000 So in Lima's case, we have 44.72 + 1 + 60 + 16 + 35, or a WHOMP of 156. As you can see, his Outrageous bling is his strongest point, followed by his Wardrobe, but he REALLY takes a hit by, well, not actually being a pimp. The average Pimp had a WHOMP of 200 last year, so Lima's a bit below average, but still around the level of a replacement level Pimp (160 WHOMP). If he could just convince his wife to let him have have a stable of, say 10 or 11 ho's, we'd be looking at a possible trip to the All-Bling games in Reno next year. At his age, however, the outlook is a bit bleak. To address your other questions, generally, a pimp with a 300+ WHOMP moves out of the pimp realm and into the more unsavoury mafia/global sex trade realm--and then becomes a matter of national security.

MFS62 Feb 17 2006 11:06 AM

Thank you for clearing that up. Where can I send you the bill for a new keyboard? :) Later

Johnny Dickshot Feb 17 2006 11:09 AM

The question is can Lima can bring his WHOMP back up to historical levels, or whether his WHOMP is in longterm decline. I believe he indexes pretty closely through age 32 with MC Hammer, and he didn't age gracefully, WHOMP shows.

Frayed Knot Feb 17 2006 11:52 AM

Are those WHOMP scores adjusted for different eras? I mean the bling factor is certainly higher in the '90s & '00s but the clothing factor will never match some of the outfits strutted around in during the late 1970s all of which makes it tough to objectively measure the pimpness factor over different times. Just as it'll be virtually impossible for a pitcher to match Gibson's 1.12 ERA from '68, it'll be just as tough for a modern day player to come close to Clyde Fraizer's duds from back in the day. I won't accept WHOMP as an accurate metric until I'm more convinced it can adjust for these variables.

Edgy DC Feb 17 2006 11:53 AM

Thanks Rots. I don't know if that ho factor of one is fair. Yeah, he's married, but she's like one-plus, and let's not forget his history of indifferently spreading venereal disease. Dude's moving into Deion Sanders/Michael Irvin territory.

Rotblatt Feb 17 2006 12:45 PM

You all raise excellent points! ]The question is can Lima can bring his WHOMP back up to historical levels, or whether his WHOMP is in longterm decline. I believe he indexes pretty closely through age 32 with MC Hammer, and he didn't age gracefully, WHOMP shows. JD, of course, is referring to the PECOTA-like forecasting system for WHOMP, PIMPIN, which unfortunately is highly unreliable, as they failed to take into account the large number of pimps who, despite off-the-carts WHOMP, were either arrested or had a cap popped in they ass. I suspect that Lima's due for a rebound despite his MC Hammer comp, however, due to the influence of Petey. While Petey himself doesn't have a particularly high WHOMP, he historically has had a signficant impact in the WHOMP of those around him. Take Johnny Damon, for example, who despite his white, Kansas roots, catapulted himself to pimp stardome in 2003--after just just one season of rubbing elbows with Petey! ]Are those WHOMP scores adjusted for different eras? Well, WHOMP of course is adjusted for inflation, so I can ease your mind a bit there, Frayed, but you are correct in saying that the field has changed dramatically since the 70's (where the WHOMP of the average pimp was close to the now unthinkable 500 mark!). That's why we are committed to devloping WHOMP+, which will chart the difference in WHOMP between players of the same year, rather than trying to adjust for the many, many variables in the game of pimping. ]I don't know if that ho factor of one is fair. Yeah, he's married, but she's like one-plus, and let's not forget his history of indifferently spreading venereal disease Well, Edgy, you have really touched on a key liability of WHOMP--it doesn't account for the quality of ho. I mean, here's a hypothetical: P-Diddy & Lima-Time have equal Wardrobes, Outrageous bling & Pimpin' rides, and Lima's got a slight edge in Moniker length. P-Diddy's got 3 ho's to Lima's 1. According to WHOMP, P-Diddy's got a significant edge. BUT let's say that 1 ho is none other than America's Sweetheart, Julia Roberts, wheras P-Diddy's 3 ho's are Suzyn Waldman, A-Rod's mother, & Bernie Williams (hey, a washed up Yankee's gotta eat somehow, right?). Clearly, Lima's the one makin the green, while P-Diddy's close to having to sell off his bling. And yet, WHOMP picks P-Diddy as the clear winner. I understand that Eric Van over at SoSH is working on a hush-hush statistic that would rate the quality of ho's, which could then be rolled into WHOMP.

Edgy DC Feb 17 2006 12:50 PM

I've got some work to do. Somebody keep pumping quarters into Rottblatt.

MFS62 Feb 17 2006 12:57 PM

Rotblatt wrote: BUT let's say that 1 ho is none other than America's Sweetheart, Julia Roberts, wheras P-Diddy's 3 ho's are Suzyn Waldman, A-Rod's mother, & Bernie Williams (hey, a washed up Yankee's gotta eat somehow, right?). So, if Suzyn is Steinbrenner's ho, and we all suspect she is, where does that put him on the WHOMP scale? "Da man got heavy bling (unfortunately) from those Series rings. Don't know nothin' 'bout his ride, though. Can anyone run a quick calculation? Later

Willets Point Feb 17 2006 12:59 PM

Note to self: This one goes in the Featured Archives.

Willets Point Feb 17 2006 01:00 PM

MFS62 wrote: So, if Suzyn is Steinbrenner's ho, and we all suspect she is, where does that put him on the WHOMP scale? "Da man got heavy bling (unfortunately) from those Series rings. Don't know nothin' 'bout his ride, though. Can anyone run a quick calculation? Later I would think the turtleneck/blazer combo would adversely affect the Boss's WHOMP scores.

metirish Feb 17 2006 01:10 PM

Lima pimping out on 'turn back the clock night' while an Astro.

Edgy DC Feb 17 2006 01:34 PM

Mercy, that photo is classick in a dozen ways --- a festival of anachronistic goofiness.

Rotblatt Feb 17 2006 01:40 PM

Well, if we include ALL of Steinbrenner's ho's (Torre, Waldman, McCarver, etc.), he pretty much gets catapulted into the global sex trade stratosphere. And the turtleneck thing is probably outweighed by the sheer quantity of verbal abuse he dishes out to his ho's. Without running the numbers, I'm guessing his WHOMP is right up around the Donald's.

seawolf17 Feb 19 2006 08:37 AM

[img=http://www.progressiveboink.com/dugout/archive/nick20.htm]The Dugout> weighs in again on the wifey issue.