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BLC: Van Halen vs. Aerosmith

Rockin' Doc Feb 17 2006 07:57 AM

Van Halen jumps into action with this line up. In a battle 0f 1980's guitar bands Eddie Van Halen awaits Joe Perry’s licks in response. “Beautiful Girls” “Ain’t Talkin’ ‘Bout Love” “Panama” “Finish What Ya Started” “Jamie’s Cryin’” “You Really Got Me” “Dance The Night Away” “Everybody Wants Some” “Runnin’ With the Devil” And the Cradle Will Rock”

seawolf17 Feb 17 2006 08:04 AM

I'm on my way out the door... I'll put songs up when I get to work. I'll try to match 'em up well, era to era.

Johnny Dickshot Feb 17 2006 08:10 AM

An all-Roth ten, I think. Has to do better than his radio show so far.

Edgy DC Feb 17 2006 09:04 AM

Why is there spandex and muscle tees all over this thread? Long gauzey scarves also. I'm a sucker for "Mean Streets."

soupcan Feb 17 2006 09:10 AM

“Finish What Ya Started” is Hagar. Good choices Doc, I like 'em all.

Johnny Dickshot Feb 17 2006 09:27 AM

No wonder I couldn't figure out how it went. Unchained rocks more.

seawolf17 Feb 17 2006 09:45 AM

Let's do this right. We'll match up the songs from VHI and II with songs from the first three Aero albums, a cover with a cover, Dance with Dance, Panama with an 80s staple, Hagar with a post-drug song, and the two W&C songs with two from the heavy drug years. Toys In The Attic Sweet Emotion Walk This Way (w/Run DMC) Love In An Elevator Dream On Train Kept A Rollin Same Old Song and Dance Draw The Line Mama Kin Come Together

soupcan Feb 17 2006 10:03 AM

'W&C songs'?

seawolf17 Feb 17 2006 10:05 AM

Women & Children (First).

Edgy DC Feb 17 2006 11:05 AM

Branding question: "Walk This Way": Isn't this more of a Run-DMC recording featuring special guests, composers Steven Tyler and Joe Perry?

Edgy DC Feb 17 2006 11:18 AM

Van Halen vs. =indigo]Aerosmith “Beautiful Girls” vs. “Toys In The Attic” “Ain’t Talkin’ ‘Bout Love” vs. "Sweet Emotion" “Panama” vs. "Walk This Way" (w/Run DMC)" “Finish What Ya Started” vs. "Love In An Elevator" “Jamie’s Cryin’” vs. "Dream On" “You Really Got Me” vs. "Train Kept A Rollin'" “Dance The Night Away” vs. "Same Old Song and Dance" “Everybody Wants Some” vs. "Draw The Line" “Runnin’ With the Devil” vs. "Mama Kin" "And the Cradle Will Rock” vs. "Come Together"

seawolf17 Feb 17 2006 12:16 PM

Technically, Edgy's right; if we're going to be technically correct, change it to the original.

Edgy DC Feb 17 2006 12:24 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 17 2006 01:47 PM

I have to also add, in fairness, that --- like "Walk Thiis Way" --- my big loser, "Stop Draggin' My Heart Around" came off of the other artist's album. The single was billed as "Stevie Nicks with Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers." So it had (a) the brand name (though billed second), and (b) all the players present.

metirish Feb 17 2006 01:29 PM

Beautiful Girls” vs. “Toys In The Attic” - Aerosmith “Ain’t Talkin’ ‘Bout Love” vs. "Sweet Emotion" - Van Halen “Panama” vs. "Walk This Way" (w/Run DMC)" - Van Halen “Finish What Ya Started” vs. "Love In An Elevator" - Van Halen “Jamie’s Cryin’” vs. "Dream On" - Tie “You Really Got Me” vs. "Train Kept A Rollin'" - Aerosmith “Dance The Night Away” vs. "Same Old Song and Dance" - Van Halen “Everybody Wants Some” vs. "Draw The Line" - Aerosmith “Runnin’ With the Devil” vs. "Mama Kin" - Aerosmith "And the Cradle Will Rock” vs. "Come Together" - Van Halen Van Halen 5.5 - Aerosmith - 4.5

soupcan Feb 17 2006 01:51 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 17 2006 01:53 PM

“Beautiful Girls” vs. “Toys In The Attic” VAN HALEN Oh yeah “Ain’t Talkin’ ‘Bout Love” vs. "Sweet Emotion" AEROSMITH “Panama” vs. "Walk This Way" (W/O Run DMC)" AEROSMITH This would very easily have gone the other way if you hadn't taken RUN DMC out of the equation. “Finish What Ya Started” vs. "Love In An Elevator" VAN HALEN Possibly the only post-Roth/VH song I like “Jamie’s Cryin’” vs. "Dream On" AEROSMITH “You Really Got Me” vs. "Train Kept A Rollin'" VAN HALEN Eddie knew which band to cover "Dance The Night Away” vs. "Same Old Song and Dance" TIE Both very gay songs “Everybody Wants Some” vs. "Draw The Line" VAN HALEN The scene in 'Beter Off Dead' “Runnin’ With the Devil” vs. "Mama Kin" VAN HALEN - My personal theme song "And the Cradle Will Rock” vs. "Come Together" VAN HALEN VAN HALEN - 6.5 / AEROSMITH - 3.5 OE: "Hot For Teacher" instead of "Dance The Gay Night Away" would've made it 7.5 - 2.5.

RealityChuck Feb 17 2006 01:52 PM

“Beautiful Girls” vs. “Toys In The Attic” -- tie “Ain’t Talkin’ ‘Bout Love” vs. "Sweet Emotion" -- Aerosmith “Panama” vs. "Walk This Way" (w/Run DMC)" -- Aerosmith “Finish What Ya Started” vs. "Love In An Elevator" -- Aerosmith “Jamie’s Cryin’” vs. "Dream On" -- Aerosmith “You Really Got Me” vs. "Train Kept A Rollin'" -- tie “Dance The Night Away” vs. "Same Old Song and Dance" -- Aerosmith “Everybody Wants Some” vs. "Draw The Line" -- tie “Runnin’ With the Devil” vs. "Mama Kin" -- Van Halen "And the Cradle Will Rock” vs. "Come Together" -- Van Halen 5-2 Aerosmith

Edgy DC Feb 17 2006 01:58 PM

We traditionally distribute half points for ties, not that it makes much of a a difference, so we should call that 6.5-3.5.

Willets Point Feb 17 2006 02:00 PM

“Beautiful Girls” vs. “Toys In The Attic” Van Halen - if you have a great thirst and you're gay... “Ain’t Talkin’ ‘Bout Love” vs. "Sweet Emotion" Aerosmith “Panama” vs. "Walk This Way" (w/Run DMC)" Aerosmith “Finish What Ya Started” vs. "Love In An Elevator"Van Halen “Jamie’s Cryin’” vs. "Dream On" Van Halen “You Really Got Me” vs. "Train Kept A Rollin'" Aerosmith “Dance The Night Away” vs. "Same Old Song and Dance" Van Halen “Everybody Wants Some” vs. "Draw The Line" Van Halen - pat pig “Runnin’ With the Devil” vs. "Mama Kin" Van Halen "And the Cradle Will Rock” vs. "Come Together" Van Halen Van Halen 7:3 Aerosmith

metirish Feb 17 2006 02:07 PM

This is helping to prove just how great the early VH stuff was, Van Halen are the band looking for a new singer in the second season of the CBS show 'Rock Star', at least that's what Roth says.and apparently it's true, just some minor stuff to work out, how terrible an idea is that?, still I'll watch.

willpie Feb 17 2006 02:11 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 17 2006 02:12 PM

This is tough. On the one hand, I have a long-standing (and heretofore undisproven) hypothesis that everyone likes at least one Van Halen song, whether they try to act like they're too cool for VH or not. Even the mighty Aerosmith can't boast that kind of universal appeal. So for breadth, you gotta go with Halen. On the other hand, both Dream On and Sweet Emotion are better than anything VH ever recorded. Depth goes to the boys from Boston. I figure this comes down to longevity, and in that case, I gotta hand that to Aerosmith. But this might be the single closest contest in the history or head-to-head comparisons.

seawolf17 Feb 17 2006 02:11 PM

Everybody else involved with VH denies that rumor, and the latest word is that Dave Navarro is putting together a supergroup of sorts to look for a singer instead. Regardless... “Beautiful Girls” vs. “Toys In The Attic” -- AEROSMITH “Ain’t Talkin’ ‘Bout Love” vs. "Sweet Emotion" -- AEROSMITH “Panama” vs. "Walk This Way" (w/Run DMC)" -- AEROSMITH “Finish What Ya Started” vs. "Love In An Elevator"-- AEROSMITH “Jamie’s Cryin’” vs. "Dream On" -- AEROSMITH “You Really Got Me” vs. "Train Kept A Rollin'" -- AEROSMITH “Dance The Night Away” vs. "Same Old Song and Dance" -- VAN HALEN “Everybody Wants Some” vs. "Draw The Line" -- AEROSMITH “Runnin’ With the Devil” vs. "Mama Kin" -- AEROSMITH "And the Cradle Will Rock” vs. "Come Together" -- AEROSMITH Aerosmith 9, Van Halen 1. (Always loved "Dance The Night Away.") VH had good stuff, but no staying power. And even some life-long fans can't agree which incarnation of the band was the best; overall, their career arc isn't even close.

Frayed Knot Feb 17 2006 02:16 PM

Despite the fact - or maybe it's because of it - that neither band is a fave of mine I'm inspired to vote here. I think I'm just curious how my vote will come out. “Beautiful Girls” vs. “Toys In The Attic” -- Tie “Ain’t Talkin’ ‘Bout Love” vs. "Sweet Emotion" -- Aerosmith “Panama” vs. "Walk This Way" (w/Run DMC)" -- Aerosmith with or w/o DMC though I much prefer the version with “Finish What Ya Started” vs. "Love In An Elevator -- VH LiaE is a crummy PoS “Jamie’s Cryin’” vs. "Dream On" -- Aerosmith and it's not even close. Jamie's Cryin suxx “You Really Got Me” vs. "Train Kept A Rollin" -- Aerosmith Roth's cover versions always sounded like it was him dong Karoke, no originality whatsoever. “Dance The Night Away” vs. "Same Old Song and Dance" -- Van Halen, I always liked that song and it made my list of top 30 1979 songs “Everybody Wants Some” vs. "Draw The Line" -- Tie The best thing about Draw the Line was the Al Herschfeld's album cover art “Runnin’ With the Devil” vs. "Mama Kin" "And the Cradle Will Rock” vs. "Come Together" Both ties ... I've lost interest again. Aerosmith - 6 -- Van Halen - 4

Johnny Dickshot Feb 17 2006 02:24 PM

“Beautiful Girls” vs. “Toys In The Attic” I like both of these well enough; but Toys is higher up the Aerosmith food chain in my estimation than Girls is in the VH catalog. Win for Aerosmith. “Ain’t Talkin’ ‘Bout Love” vs. "Sweet Emotion" Aerosmith in a power struggle. “Panama” vs. "Walk This Way" (w/Run DMC)" Aerosmith by a slight margin. “Finish What Ya Started” vs. "Love In An Elevator" Hold your nose and vote. Hagar the Horrible sounds like he's trying so hard on the vocals on this one. Tie. “Jamie’s Cryin’” vs. "Dream On" Aerosmith. “You Really Got Me” vs. "Train Kept A Rollin'" Van Halen. A much better Invasion interpretation than Aerosmith's 'Come Together' below. “Dance The Night Away” vs. "Same Old Song and Dance" Diamond Dave's squeakiness and VH's Secret Weapon: Great background singing. Slifght edge to VH “Everybody Wants Some” vs. "Draw The Line" Al Hirschfeld album cover v. scene in 'Better Off Dead' ... edge to VH. “Runnin’ With the Devil” vs. "Mama Kin" VH. "And the Cradle Will Rock” vs. "Come Together" VH. Don't see what Aerosmith brought this cover VAN HALEN 5.5, AEROSMITH 4.5

Centerfield Feb 17 2006 03:55 PM

I'm probably in the minority here, but I happen to love the Sammy Hagar Van Halen years. Maybe it's because they coincided with my teens...I don't know. I just feel like I spent half of high school cruising around town with 5150 looping on the tape deck. Aerosmith vs. Van Halen...I just can't choose. It's like being asked to pick between burgers and steak.

metirish Feb 17 2006 04:17 PM

I liked Hagar's Van Halen a lot, saw them at Jones beach in 95 or 96, great live show.

soupcan Feb 17 2006 05:11 PM

Youngsters.

Rockin' Doc Feb 17 2006 09:41 PM

“Beautiful Girls” vs. “Toys In The Attic” Aerosmith “Ain’t Talkin’ ‘Bout Love” vs. "Sweet Emotion" Aerosmith - One of my favorite Aerosmith songs. “Panama” vs. "Walk This Way" (w/Run DMC)" Aerosmith “Finish What Ya Started” vs. "Love In An Elevator" =darkred]Van Halen “Jamie’s Cryin’” vs. "Dream On" Aerosmith - Unfortunately for Tyler and the gang, can't award but one point per match up. Dream On totally kicks Jamie's ass. No wonder Jamie's cryin'. “You Really Got Me” vs. "Train Kept A Rollin'" =darkred]Van Halen “Dance The Night Away” vs. "Same Old Song and Dance" =darkred]Van Halen “Everybody Wants Some” vs. "Draw The Line" =darkred]Van Halen “Runnin’ With the Devil” vs. "Mama Kin" =darkred]Van Halen - Closed out with two of Van Halen's best to anchor the line up. "And the Cradle Will Rock” vs. "Come Together" =darkred]Van Halen - A favorite from the Van Halen catalog. A tough match up of two bands that aren't all that dissimilar. Van Halen squeeks out a hard fought victory. Van Halen 6 Aerosmith 4

HahnSolo Feb 18 2006 04:33 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 18 2006 06:40 PM

If voting is still open... “Beautiful Girls” vs. “Toys In The Attic” -- AEROSMITH “Ain’t Talkin’ ‘Bout Love” vs. "Sweet Emotion" -- VH “Panama” vs. "Walk This Way" (w/Run DMC)" -- AEROSMITH “Finish What Ya Started” vs. "Love In An Elevator"-- AEROSMITH, barely. Not fond of either song “Jamie’s Cryin’” vs. "Dream On" -- AEROSMITH “You Really Got Me” vs. "Train Kept A Rollin'" -- TIE. “Dance The Night Away” vs. "Same Old Song and Dance" -- VH “Everybody Wants Some” vs. "Draw The Line" -- VH “Runnin’ With the Devil” vs. "Mama Kin" -- VH "And the Cradle Will Rock” vs. "Come Together" -- TIE. Can't put a full vote on a cover song. Van Halen 5, Aerosmith 5

seawolf17 Feb 18 2006 04:46 PM

He says he can't put a full vote on a cover, but yet he gives "You Really Got Me" a full vote. Disgusting.

soupcan Feb 18 2006 05:29 PM

Maybe because 'Come Together' was a pretty disgusting cover?

HahnSolo Feb 18 2006 06:38 PM

I would never want to disgust Seawolf. And he's absolutely right. I will edit my original post.

Rockin' Doc Feb 19 2006 02:38 PM

When does this thing end? I haven't counted it up, but I think Van Halen will be entering at the bottom rung on the ladder.

seawolf17 Feb 19 2006 04:33 PM

HahnSolo wrote: I would never want to disgust Seawolf. And he's absolutely right. I will edit my original post. LOL - I was just messing with you. But fair's fair.

Edgy DC Feb 25 2006 09:01 AM

“Beautiful Girls” vs. “Toys In The Attic” Aerosmith “Ain’t Talkin’ ‘Bout Love” vs. "Sweet Emotion" Aerosmith, barely “Panama” vs. "Walk This Way" (w/Run DMC)" Aerosmith “Finish What Ya Started” vs. "Love In An Elevator" =red]Van Halen gets on the board with a Hagar-era tune? An atmospheric record wins this battle of overwrought libidos “Jamie’s Cryin’” vs. "Dream On" Aerosmith “You Really Got Me” vs. "Train Kept A Rollin'" =red]Van Halen “Dance The Night Away” vs. "Same Old Song and Dance" =red]Van Halen “Everybody Wants Some” vs. "Draw The Line" =red]Van Halen “Runnin’ With the Devil” vs. "Mama Kin" =red]Van Halen "And the Cradle Will Rock” vs. "Come Together" =red]Van Halen An Awesome comeback win and Halen takes it, 6-4.

Edgy DC Feb 25 2006 09:09 AM

My vote ties this up at 50-50. I'll log it one way or the other after the next vote, but I think we can leave these open and accept late votes and any results they may change. It is an ongoing challenge.

Rockin' Doc Feb 25 2006 10:34 AM

Wow, I never imagined this one to be so close.

Johnny Dickshot Feb 25 2006 12:40 PM

Woulda been cool if ended up 51-50

Rockin' Doc Feb 25 2006 02:00 PM

Well, it was almost 50.5 -49.5. Where does a tie leave my entry? Since I was challenging Aerosmith, but failed to beat them I would imagine I fall to the bottom rung on the ladder. I believe that you should have to beat a band to bump them from their spot. Ties should go to the challenged.

Edgy DC Feb 25 2006 02:18 PM

I think these threads should stay active. Next voter decides it (unless he or she goes 5-5), but if a later voter comes and changes the outcome, rankings may shift accordingly. I think Dickshot or somebody should be the BLC administrator. I'll stick to doing the tables.

PatchyFogg Feb 25 2006 02:34 PM

I am a firm believer in Celebrity Tithing. For example, John Travolta should tithe at least 10% of his post-Pulp Fiction earnings to Quentin Tarantino (well, the part he doesn't tithe already) for making him relevant again. Of course, Mr.Tarantino should burn in hell for that, too--well, that and the fact that he has disparaged The Who, unlike Who-phile Spike Lee, who is also a much better writer/director. But, I digress. Aerosmith should be tithing to the members of Run DMC for putting them back on the map with the re-working of "Walk This Way." Instead, Jam Master Jay's widow is working at Banana Republic. For that reason alone--and the fact that Van Halen has never employed hitmakers (Desmond Child, Diane Warren) to write songs for them os enough for me to vote VH.

Johnny Dickshot Feb 25 2006 02:35 PM

The way this goes I think we'll rarely have ties, but in the event we do, I suggest a rematch but only with say, 7 songs each, then 5 and so on.

Willets Point Feb 25 2006 02:50 PM

On the other hand voting closes after 2 hours, and even with the long weekend that means this one was done on Tuesday and nothing after that counts.