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BLC: The Beatles vs. The Jimi Hendrix Experience

Edgy DC Feb 21 2006 11:03 AM

"Please Please Me" "Money" "A Hard Day's Night" "Ticket to Ride" "Help!" "You've Got to Hide Your Love Away" "Norwegian Wood (This Bird Has Flown)" "Helter Skelter" "Strawberry Fields Forever" "Here Comes the Sun" Tough choices. Tough choices.

Willets Point Feb 21 2006 11:11 AM

Money?!?!? You've got the whole Beatles' catalog to chose from and you include a freaking cover song?!?!? Nice choices overall. You avoided the deadly trio of Beatles' songs that everyone seems to love except me: "The Long and Winding Road," "Let it Be," and "Hey Jude." Now bad Beatles songs are better than the best songs by many bands, but I always found these three inordinately popular relative to much better Beatles songs. Some people who like these songs have told me "I Want to Hold Your Hand" is a bad song, while I think its three-minutes of rock & roll brilliance. I guess to each one's own.

Edgy DC Feb 21 2006 11:17 AM

I don't want to go too much into my thinking before the challenge, but, yeah, I laid off most of the anthemic titles. "Money" is strong choice. A Barrett Strong choice.

Willets Point Feb 21 2006 11:17 AM

<rimshot>

cooby Feb 21 2006 11:19 AM

No changin'. You'll screw up my thinking process.

Johnny Dickshot Feb 21 2006 11:46 AM

Wow. Not sure if I was sponsoring the Beets that any of those 10 would represent. Edit: After the Beatles eviscerate all the competition, we should have an all-Beatles competition, where each sponsor gets 5 or 10 beatle songs. It'd be like a rock n' roll fantasy league.

cooby Feb 21 2006 11:55 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 21 2006 12:13 PM

Attila the Hun out to lunch. Here's my list... One change, slightly juggled lineup Crosstown Traffic Hey Joe (Let me Stand Next to Your) Fire All along the Watchtower Purple Haze Are you Experienced? Castles Made of Sand The Wind Cries Mary (new!) Sunshine of My Love Foxy Lady

seawolf17 Feb 21 2006 12:01 PM

Johnny Dickshot wrote: After the Beatles eviscerate all the competition, we should have an all-Beatles competition, where each sponsor gets 5 or 10 beatle songs. It'd be like a rock n' roll fantasy league. That would be a good time. We'd have to have a draft.

Edgy DC Feb 21 2006 12:10 PM

The Beatles vs. =purple]The Jimi Hendrix Experience "Please Please Me" vs. "Crosstown Traffic" "Money" vs. "Hey Joe" "A Hard Day's Night" vs. "(Let me Stand Next to Your) Fire" "Ticket to Ride" vs. "All along the Watchtower" "Help!" vs. "Purple Haze" "You've Got to Hide Your Love Away" vs. "Are you Experienced?" "Norwegian Wood (This Bird Has Flown)" vs. "Castles Made of Sand" "Helter Skelter" vs. "The Wind Cries Mary" "Strawberry Fields Forever" vs. "Sunshine of My Love" "Here Comes the Sun" vs. "Foxy Lady"

seawolf17 Feb 21 2006 12:23 PM

"Please Please Me" vs. "Crosstown Traffic" -- JIMI "Money" vs. "Hey Joe" -- JIMI "A Hard Day's Night" vs. "(Let me Stand Next to Your) Fire" -- JIMI "Ticket to Ride" vs. "All along the Watchtower" -- JIMI "Help!" vs. "Purple Haze" -- JIMI "You've Got to Hide Your Love Away" vs. "Are you Experienced?" -- BEATLES "Norwegian Wood (This Bird Has Flown)" vs. "Castles Made of Sand" -- BEATLES "Helter Skelter" vs. "The Wind Cries Mary" -- JIMI "Strawberry Fields Forever" vs. "Sunshine of My Love" -- BEATLES "Here Comes the Sun" vs. "Foxy Lady" -- BEATLES Looked like a blowout before the Fab 4 came roaring back... but the early years were too hard to overcome, and Hendrix takes this battle, 6-4. Early Beatles bores me; it's the later years where they actually got interesting. Bad song choice by the challengers.

Willets Point Feb 21 2006 12:39 PM

I like early, middle and late Beatle myself. "Please Please Me"vs."Crosstown Traffic"" Beatles Close to a tie. "Money"vs."Hey Joe" Jimi Hendrix Experience Cool riginal beats eh cover. "A Hard Day's Night"vs."(Let me Stand Next to Your) Fire" Jimi Hendrix Experience Another near tie. "Ticket to Ride"vs."All along the Watchtower" Jimi Hendrix Experience JHE masterpiece shuts down great Beatles ballad. "Help!"vs."Purple Haze" Beatles Intense cry of pain beats out drug trip. "You've Got to Hide Your Love Away"vs."Are you Experienced?" Beatles One of my Beatles top 10 edges one of my JHE top 10 "Norwegian Wood (This Bird Has Flown)"vs."Castles Made of Sand" Beatles Great Beatles song, eh JHE song "Helter Skelter"vs."The Wind Cries Mary" Jimi Hendrix Experience Once you get past the whole Manson thing/Beatles inventing Metal, HS is a mediocre song about kids playing on a slide. JHE wins hands down. "Strawberry Fields Forever"vs."Sunshine of My Love" Beatles Possibly my favorite Beatles song ever. "Here Comes the Sun" vs."Foxy Lady" Beatles Eh JHE song, seems to be written off the cuff to make it on Top 40. George Harrison song wins by a landslide. Beatles 6:4 Jimi Hendrix Experience Fortuitous matchups for JHE. This should be a Beatles landslide.

Edgy DC Feb 21 2006 12:48 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 21 2006 12:56 PM

Not to dispute your fine vote, but "Hey Joe" isn't really original: There are good reasons to study the song "Hey Joe". As Lester Bangs said, for a few years in the 1960's everybody and his ...brother not only recorded but claimed to have written" "Hey Joe". Between 1966 and 1969 countless rockbands included the song in their repertoire because of it's catchy, continuous cord progression, not to mention the machismo of its text. Dave Marsh suggests another reason to study "Hey Joe": the song "probably fit[s] the academic definition of the folk process better than any rock and roll song." Anyone who wants to see how a song can come to belong to everyone --- and no one --- as it travels from artist to artist. To post-World War II Americans the name "Joe"seemed to represent everyman. A typical male was an "average Joe"; a decent fellow was "a good Joe." "Hey Joe"is a crime ballad with a question and answer format. It depicts a series of encouters between the singer and Joe: each verse consisted of a single couplet, like: Hey Joe, where you going with that money in your hand? Chasin' my woman, she run off with another man. The harmonic accompaniment to these words consists of the same four-measure major-chord progression under each line F-C-G-D-A. --- http://www.heyjoe.org/

cooby Feb 21 2006 12:50 PM

It's a good song. What's your point, you rabblerouser? Never mind, you're talking to Willets.

cooby Feb 21 2006 12:55 PM

Sorry. I see we can no longer delete embarrassing last posts... (BTW Edgy's right, Hey Joe was a classic before Jimi took it to its highest ground)

metirish Feb 21 2006 01:03 PM

Please Please Me" vs. "Crosstown Traffic" -- Tie "Money" vs. "Hey Joe" -- Hendrix "A Hard Day's Night" vs. "(Let me Stand Next to Your) Fire" -- Beatles "Ticket to Ride" vs. "All along the Watchtower" -- Beatles "Help!" vs. "Purple Haze" -- Beatles "You've Got to Hide Your Love Away" vs. "Are you Experienced?" -- Beatles "Norwegian Wood (This Bird Has Flown)" vs. "Castles Made of Sand" -- Tie "Helter Skelter" vs. "The Wind Cries Mary" -- Hendrix "Strawberry Fields Forever" vs. "Sunshine of My Love" -- Beatles "Here Comes the Sun" vs. "Foxy Lady" -- Beatles While the 10 songs Edgy chose might not be everyones choices it's still a formidable list as Hendrix found out... Beatles - 7 Hendrix - 3

ScarletKnight41 Feb 21 2006 01:09 PM

Please Please Me" vs. "Crosstown Traffic" -- Beatles "Money" vs. "Hey Joe" -- Beatles "A Hard Day's Night" vs. "(Let me Stand Next to Your) Fire" -- Beatles "Ticket to Ride" vs. "All along the Watchtower" -- Jimi "Help!" vs. "Purple Haze" -- Beatles "You've Got to Hide Your Love Away" vs. "Are you Experienced?" -- Beatles "Norwegian Wood (This Bird Has Flown)" vs. "Castles Made of Sand" -- Beatles "Helter Skelter" vs. "The Wind Cries Mary" -- Jimi "Strawberry Fields Forever" vs. "Sunshine of My Love" -- Beatles "Here Comes the Sun" vs. "Foxy Lady" -- Jimi Beatles 7 Jimi 3

Edgy DC Feb 21 2006 01:19 PM

Matchups that didn't come to pass: "Hey Jude" vs. Hey Joe" "Wait" vs. "Wait Until Tomorrow" "I'm Down" vs. "Manic Depression" "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band" vs. "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band"

Willets Point Feb 21 2006 01:19 PM

Edgy DC wrote: Not to dispute your fine vote, but "Hey Joe" isn't really original Well, I'll be gosh-darned, you learned me. Thanks. Let me ammend that then to the more refreshing cover. I'm assuming previous versions didn't have Jimi's guitar licks.

Edgy DC Feb 21 2006 01:21 PM

Pretty safe assumption. Pretty interesting site, though. How many sites can there be devoted to one song?

cooby Feb 21 2006 01:29 PM

"Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band" vs. "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band" By the way, on one of my son's CDs he has Jimi playing "Johnny B Goode", something tells me the Beatles probably played that once or twice too

RealityChuck Feb 21 2006 01:54 PM

Well, if you're going to leave out the Beatles best songs, it's hardly fair. Where is "She Loves You," "I Want to Hold Your Hand," "Yesterday," "Hey Jude," "Revolution," "Back in the USSR", "Come Together," "A Day in the Life," "With a Little Help From My Friends"? And why are "Money" and "You've Got to Hide Your Love Away" (a song even the Beatles didn't like too much), and "Helter Skelter" on the list. "Please Please Me" vs. "Crosstown Traffic" -- Beatles "Money" vs. "Hey Joe" -- Hendrix, but it's ridiculous to put "Money" on this list. "A Hard Day's Night" vs. "(Let me Stand Next to Your) Fire" -- Beatles "Ticket to Ride" vs. "All along the Watchtower" -- Beatles "Help!" vs. "Purple Haze" - Beatles "You've Got to Hide Your Love Away" vs. "Are you Experienced?" -- Hendrix "Norwegian Wood (This Bird Has Flown)" vs. "Castles Made of Sand" -- Beatles "Helter Skelter" vs. "The Wind Cries Mary" -- Hendrix (Another stupid choice for a Beatles song) "Strawberry Fields Forever" vs. "Sunshine of My Love" -- Beatles "Here Comes the Sun" vs. "Foxy Lady" -- Hendrix 6-4 Beatles, even despite the fact the deck is ludicrously stacked against them.

Edgy DC Feb 21 2006 02:02 PM Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Feb 21 2006 02:33 PM

Some I don't think some are the best ("She Loves You," "I Want to Hold Your Hand," "Yesterday," "With a Little Help From My Friends"). Some failed to make the cut by sheer numbers, ("Hey Jude," "Revolution," "Back in the USSR", "Come Together," "A Day in the Life.") The Rolling Stone Continuing History of Rock 'n' Roll argues that "Money" is the best Beatles recording there is. I don't know where the Beatles collectively state that they don't like "You've Got to Hide Your Love Away," but I disagree. "Helter Skelter" speaks for itself. Them that have sponsored the Stones and U2 will tell you that sending ten choices out there from a deep catalog isn't easy. I could pick ten others on a different day. Well, eight others.

Willets Point Feb 21 2006 02:09 PM

Rolling Stone sucks.

Edgy DC Feb 21 2006 04:06 PM

Yeah, sure, but that was from 1980, before perhaps the shark was jumped. The point was to get up a John Lennon rave-up in there, and Ms. Edgy preferred "Money" to "Twist and Shout." "Please Please Me" vs. "Crosstown Traffic" Jimi Hendrix Experience "Money" vs. "Hey Joe" Beatles "A Hard Day's Night" vs. "(Let me Stand Next to Your) Fire" Tie "Ticket to Ride" vs. "All along the Watchtower" Tough one goes to the Beatles. "Help!" vs. "Purple Haze" Beatles "You've Got to Hide Your Love Away" vs. "Are you Experienced?" Beatles "Norwegian Wood (This Bird Has Flown)" vs. "Castles Made of Sand" Tie "Helter Skelter" vs. "The Wind Cries Mary" Beatles "Strawberry Fields Forever" vs. "Sunshine of My Love" Beatles "Here Comes the Sun" vs. "Foxy Lady" Beatles win, 8-2.

MFS62 Feb 21 2006 08:44 PM

Asking us who is better than the Beatles is like asking CPF-ers who they revere more than Tom Seaver. You may not have agreed with his pitch selection to an occasional batter, (as with the Beatles' occasional song)but who can not stand in awe of the overall body of work? Later

cooby Feb 21 2006 08:47 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 21 2006 10:02 PM

Never liked the Beatles that much. 10-0 Jimi

Edgy DC Feb 21 2006 09:23 PM

Well, at least outline your thinking, Miss Coo'. None of those songs rise to the level of consideration?

Nymr83 Feb 21 2006 09:28 PM

the Beatles are just head and shoulders above everyone else, i'm obviously alot younger than most of you guys- i can't think of the words to more than one of those jimi hendrix songs but i know 9 of the 10 beatles songs without looking, thats really all that needs to be said about which one is the enduring icon and which the younger generations won't remember at all.

cooby Feb 21 2006 10:00 PM

You mean like my 17 year old? Anyway...to answer Edgy... Please Please Me...excellent B side single. My sister was at a birthday party in which the birthday girl received 5 copies of this latest Beatles release in 19--. Cute memory but I like Crosstown Traffic better. Help! Beatles film which my sister waited weeks to finally arrive in mid Appalachia. Another fond big sister memory but I like Purple Haze better. The other eight Beatles delectables I remember well, in fact, most of them as current on the radio hits, listened to with a 3 by 4 inch transistor radio with a little white plastic thingy you put in your ear. But I like Jimi better.

Johnny Dickshot Feb 21 2006 10:38 PM

Please Please Me" vs. "Crosstown Traffic" Beatles "Money" vs. "Hey Joe" Money's not one of my favorites, or at least, never considered it as such. Tie? "A Hard Day's Night" vs. "(Let me Stand Next to Your) Fire" The drumming and background singing take the day: Jimi "Ticket to Ride" vs. "All along the Watchtower" Beatles. "Help!" vs. "Purple Haze" Jimi wins a heavyweight bout. "You've Got to Hide Your Love Away" vs. "Are you Experienced?" Beatles waltz to a win. "Norwegian Wood (This Bird Has Flown)" vs. "Castles Made of Sand" Wood >Sand = Beatles "Helter Skelter" vs. "The Wind Cries Mary" Beatles "Strawberry Fields Forever" vs. "Sunshine of My Love" Beatles. "Here Comes the Sun" vs. "Foxy Lady" Beatles I'd have only considered -- considered -- PPM, TTR, SFF and HCTS in my top 10. Still, Beatles roll, 7.5-2.5

metirish Feb 21 2006 10:40 PM

I think Edgy has found a winner, after the repeated beating Tom Petty took I am glad he was not rolled out again...

Edgy DC Feb 21 2006 11:11 PM

Not fair to ask Coo her thinking and not play mine out. "Please Please Me" vs. "Crosstown Traffic" Jimi Hendrix Experience "Please Please Me" is the song that started it all, after the lukewarm reception of "Love Me Do" and after they had to convince George Martin to let them release another original composition. It was originally conceived as an Orbisonesque ballad, and I'd like to hear somebody try and sing it mid-tempo with a high tenor. "Crosstown Traffic" is just a perfect execution of what they were going for, with the cadences of the song mimicking crosstown traffic. "Money" vs. "Hey Joe" Beatles I wanted a throat-burning Lennon rave-up because that's what the Beatles were first great at. "Money" wins out over "Twist and Shout" and "Rock 'n' Roll Music" and others. With "Please, Mr. Postman" and "You Really Got a Hold on Me," it's one of three great re-workings of early Motown off the same album. The Beatles were great writers, and they were great record-makers, but, before that, they were a great band with a fantastic Rock 'n' Roll singer up front as their primary vocalist. John simply sings a sentiment that flies in the face of everything he'd be telling the world just a few years later, and, knowing all that now, it's still nonetheless completely believable, because of how he sells it. Bonus points for a classical musician like George Martin laying down a mean and crude piano lick (think it was him.) Hendrix's "Hey Joe" is something I never trusted because the serious tabooness of a first-person murder song always adds an automatic weight to a song that the singer doesn't have to earn. Coming from a black blues musician, even moreso. "Oooh, how taboo, how rock 'n' roll." Lennon was more rock-'n'-roll when he went for my money, than Jimi reaching for his gun. "A Hard Day's Night" vs. "(Let me Stand Next to Your) Fire" Tie Nothing wrong with either of these songs. John being the mensch you'd never believe he was from "Money," gives Paul the bridge to sing in "Night" brings that multi-personality texture that helps the Beatles blow away all comers. "Fire" is remarkable in how well the drummer holds it together --- not a small thing for a hippy drummer --- making this rocker a great dance song to this day. "Ticket to Ride" vs. "All Along the Watchtower" Tough one goes to the Beatles. Someone once wrote that, in the summer of 1965, three songs "Satisfaction," "Like a Rolling Stone," and "Ticket to Ride" were the only three songs on the radio, and nobody cared a lick. "Help!" vs. "Purple Haze" Beatles You'll know from my votes, psychedelia cuts little ice with me --- another genre that gets way too many points for being taboo. Weird guitar chord opens "Help!" and a someone less weird vocal chord closes it, and the way it works into a pop masterpiece is much more compelling than the mind trip Hendrix is offering. It's riskier. "You've Got to Hide Your Love Away" vs. "Are You Experienced?" Beatles "You've Got..." is so heartbreaking. It has this gorgeous flute bridge and then, rather than returning to the verse, just cuts out, as if John is too heartbroken to go on. "Are You Experienced?" is again just too wink-wink to stand up to my Beatles. "Norwegian Wood (This Bird Has Flown)" vs. "Castles Made of Sand" Tie "Castles..." is what Hendrix should be remembered for. Not that song, as a songwriter. His guitar pyrotechnics, his sexual-menace persona, and all that personality crap obscured that he could write as well as the guys he paid tribute to --- Dylan, Beatles, etc. --- on his best days. "Wood" has good John/Paul harmonies, the sitar, and it's palateable oddness going for it. "Helter Skelter" vs. "The Wind Cries Mary" Beatles I don't think it's a stupid choice at all. Inventing metal is no small feat, and it took all four of them to do it. It's enough to beat another very pretty Jimi composition. "Strawberry Fields Forever" vs. "Sunshine of My Love" Beatles Yeah, I can take some psychedelia. "Strawberry Fields" is so full of longing. John's got a dozen different ideas and George Martin squeezed them all into the song's multiple movements. "Here Comes the Sun" vs. "Foxy Lady" Beatles Wry George having the guts to be more earnest than U2. George had the two best compositions on Abbey Road, but gets overshadowed by the high concept of the medley of John's and Paul's snippets. "Foxy Lady," can be read as a gimmicky exploitation of Hendrix's predatorial persona, which I think helped overwhelm him.

cooby Feb 21 2006 11:31 PM

I liked being called Miss Coo though...

Nymr83 Feb 22 2006 12:41 AM

]Someone once wrote that, in the summer of 1965, three songs "Satisfaction," "Like a Rolling Stone," and "Ticket to Ride" were the only three songs on the radio, and nobody cared a lick. radio hasn't changed much in 40 years, stations play songs repeatedly until they get boring, this past summer it was "wake me up when september ends" and nickelback's "photograph", now its a few kelly clarkson songs and next month it'll be something else, the real question is which songs do people still like years later and which ones do they remember as "wow i can't believe they played that for 3 months"

Edgy DC Feb 22 2006 09:23 AM

Well, certainly. Just to be clear, I don't mean to suggest that the frequent airplay recommends those songs, but rather the implication that they were impossible to play out.

Edgy DC Feb 22 2006 11:45 AM

"Lovely Rita, Meter Maid" vs. "Crosstown Traffic"

abogdan Feb 22 2006 12:06 PM

I've never voted in these before, but I'll jump in anyway to add nothing by calling this battle a draw because of the matchups of my favorite Hendrix tunes against some of my least favorite Beatles songs. 5-5. "Please Please Me" vs. "Crosstown Traffic" "Money" vs. "Hey Joe" "A Hard Day's Night" vs. "(Let me Stand Next to Your) Fire" "Ticket to Ride" vs. "All along the Watchtower" "Help!" vs. "Purple Haze" "You've Got to Hide Your Love Away" vs. "Are you Experienced?" "Norwegian Wood (This Bird Has Flown)" vs. "Castles Made of Sand" "Helter Skelter" vs. "The Wind Cries Mary" "Strawberry Fields Forever" vs. "Sunshine of My Love" "Here Comes the Sun" vs. "Foxy Lady"

Edgy DC Feb 22 2006 12:45 PM

Hold on. I didn't expect any real agreement on my selections --- everybody has different favorite Beatles songs --- but those are your least favorite? You prefer "You Know My Name (Look Up the Number)" to "Strawberry Fields Forever"? You prefer "Revolution 9" to ""You've Got to Hide Your Love Away"? "Mr. Moonlight" to "Ticket to Ride"?

cooby Feb 22 2006 12:48 PM

You don't like Revolution 9?

Edgy DC Feb 22 2006 12:50 PM

Not reading nymr's post as a vote, I get the Beatles ahead 50.5-39.5. We'll log it but welcome late votes.

soupcan Feb 22 2006 08:57 PM

"Please Please Me" vs. "Crosstown Traffic" -BEATLES "Money" vs. "Hey Joe" -BEATLES "A Hard Day's Night" vs. "(Let me Stand Next to Your) Fire" -BEATLES "Ticket to Ride" vs. "All along the Watchtower" -BEATLES "Help!" vs. "Purple Haze" -BEATLES "You've Got to Hide Your Love Away" vs. "Are you Experienced?" -(my friend) JIM HENDRIX EXPERIENCE "Norwegian Wood (This Bird Has Flown)" vs. "Castles Made of Sand" -BEATLES "Helter Skelter" vs. "The Wind Cries Mary" -JIMI HENDRIX EXPERIENCE "Strawberry Fields Forever" vs. "Sunshine of My Love" -BEATLES "Here Comes the Sun" vs. "Foxy Lady" -JIMI HENDRIX EXPERIENCE BEATLES 7-3 if I counted right. For future reference and for what its worth - I'm a sucker for early Beatles stuff. P.S. I like U2's cover of Helter Skelter a hell of a lot more than the original.

Vic Sage Feb 24 2006 12:06 PM

8-2 Beatles

Edgy DC Feb 24 2006 12:22 PM

Where did the Experience win?