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KTE: Division Opponents for 2016: Miami Marlins

Edgy MD
Apr 11 2016 06:27 PM

A year ago, the Marlins were in a similar position the Mets were in. A young team looking for a turnaround, with a lot of young pitching pushing their way onto the roster, and a high-profile young star pitcher working his way back from Tommy John surgery, but the offense behind the pitching, with one homegrown star hoping support could arrive on his watch.

Not a lot worked out. José Fernandez was handled gently, returned on July 2, and showed fine form the rest of the way 6-1, 2.92, but by then it was almost too late to matter. (None of his 11 starts even came against the Mets.) Giancarlo Stanton homered off Dillon Gee early in the season to become the Marlins all-time leading home run hitter, and then went on a first half tear, slugging a Bondsian .606, but injured his hamate bone mid-season, and a recovery expected to last a month or so ended up topping his season off.

These two indisputable stars filed pretty much not-quite one complete year between them, and little else went right, apart from the surprising breakout season of Dee Gordon, who on-based at .359, stole 58 bases, and landed 16th in MVP voting. If you wonder if that season is repeatable, you might take heart in observing that .333 of that .359 was batting average.

Still, they finished strong and ended up a distant third, and then proceeded to have one of the quietest off seasons in baseball, counting on development and healing to change their fates. Apart from hiring a new skipper (Don Mattingly who thinks working for Jeffrey Loria is still better than Steinbrenner, but worse than working for Monty Burns), their main offseason aquiree was a five-year deal for Wei-Yin Chen (opt-out after two). The lineup that finished next-to-last in the league in scoring is back in its entirety, with the main addition being nu batting instructor Bobby Bonds.

Are you retired big leaguer with unambiguous Hall of Fame numbers but a PED-tainted track record in need of big league redemption? Well, Don Mattingly has a job for you.

Let's take a look at that lineup.

Catcher
Returning at catcher is J.T. Realmuto, who hits like a catcher. Modest average, low walks, puncher's power. Did OK last year and projects to fall back a little this year. He's a 1.5-win player.

First Base
Justin Bour came out of nowhere at 27 to hit 23 home runs. In a cavernous ballpark, too. I say he's a mistake hitter that the league will adjust to.

Second Base
Gordon is a good, sharp player who will hurt you, but no way is he last year's version over the long haul. For one, he's one of those guys who looks good on defense but isn't supported by he defensive metrics. For two, a lot of his value is tied up in that batting average, and it's not very reflective of his track record. That said, he's started off red hot this year, with eight hits in his first 19 at-bats.

Third Base
Multi-positional professional hitter Martín Prado returns. His modest power has to be park adjusted, but he's still about a 100 OPS+ hitter now, despite a hot start. He's 32 and the only player over 28 in this lineup.

Shortstop
Adeiny Hecheverria is a fine defender who will hit a mostly empty .280-.285. He'll give you three wins, but 2.5 will be with the glove. He'd probably win a gold glove or two if he wasn't in the same league as Andrelton Simmons. He's probably a better hitter than Simmons, though, if only just. Needs to cut his strikeouts.

Laffield
Christian Yellich is a solid leftielder with good average and low power. (This is something of a theme here.) He was a tick down from 2014, so he might have a bounce back year in him. Only 24, and a good bet to improve.

Sinnerfield
Marcel Ozuna probably got called up before his time. He clubbed the snot out of the ball in the low minors, but mostly skipped the upper minors, and has been adjusting for his first few years. Still young and hungry, but maybe hurt by being thrown in the deep end too soon. Is a cousin of former big leaguer Pablo Ozuna.

Raffield
Giancarlo Stanton is a big tough handsome badass, who has come back from several injuries that would have destroyed a lesser animal, and is still as dangerous a power hitter as you'll see whenever he's able to step into the box.

That's what you've got. You see a lineup balanced top to bottom, but not balanced at a very high level. It's Stanton and a bunch of guys who may get hot here or there, but are a pretty good bet to be average over the long haul. But they are young, which makes a breakout here or there still possible. And a quick disposal easy enough. That's a versatile situation, but they need a breakout, and one or two injuries could really hurt.

Bench
HOLY SHIT THEY STILL HAVE ICHIRO. He's now 94 years old, in great shape, 65 hits short of 3,000, and hit his lone home run last year off of the Mets' Álex Torres.

Pitching
Jarred Cosart goes in game one against Steven Matz. He's a low-strikeout/high walk pitcher who keeps it in the park, but otherwise does little more than hold down a rotation spot until somebody better comes along. He's the type of nibbling pitcher a team like the Mets likes, to be frank.

José Fernandez gets the marquee matchup against Noah Syndergaard in game two. The Mets caught him in his first start back in 2013 and twice more in June of that year, but amazingly, haven't faced him since. While he gave up but two runs in 18 innings over those three starts, it's been a long time. José gave up five runs in 5 2/3 innings to the Tigers on opening day, but he also struck out 13 so he's still not the guy anybody wants to catch.

WtF is Adam Conley? Aside from begin a damn fine insurance salesman, Adam Conley is your game three starter, who pitched some decent ball down the stretch for the Marlins last year. He went one inning in his first start and was pulled after a rain delay. He gives up a lot o' walks and is in the rotation while Wei-Yin Chen's elbow is balky. He's the lone lefty in the lineup, so look for starts from the likes of Laggy and Florrie, if not Campy.

AJ Ramos established himself as closer last year, and he gets his share of punch outs and stuff. Doesn't expect to get a lot of dazzling support from iffy vets like David Phelps and Edwin Jackson and Dustin McGowan. Get into the bullpen early and then break out your hitting sticks, Mets.

The Marlins are 1-4. I'm not calling for a sweep, because that's a lot to ask of any team facing a stopper like José Fernandez in game two. I'm just saying that a sweep would knock this young team down for a month at least, and the Mets can start going about the business of positioning themselves ahead of everybody else.

Marlins Who Were Mets
Turn-of-the-century Mets' pinch-hitting specialist Lenny Harris coaches third for the Marlins. (It's historically something of a bugbear among some African-American coaches that they get offered the first-base coaching gig a lot more than the third-base box, so bully to Lenny.) 1995 Met rotation filler Reid Cornelius coaches the relievers. While out in the bullpen, he may occasionally cross paths with Marlins catching instructor Brian Schneider, sometimes starting catcher of the Jerry Manuel-era Mets. Failed Mets deadline pickup and Marlins fixture Jeff Conine joins former Met debutante Preston Wilson with the pre- and post-game analysis. The Barbarian also holds the coveted "Special Assistant to the President" title.

Marlins Who Compromise Seawolf's Rooting Interests
Tom Koehler remains in the service of the South Floridians, but isn't scheduled to go this series.

Mets Who Were Marlins
Bullpen coach Ricky Bones served up some meat as a 2000-2001 Marlin.

Mets Who Sound Like They Were Marlins
Asdrubal Cabrera. Come on. That guy sounds like he spent a purgatorial four-five years down in South Florida. Terry Collins, too, to be honest.

Edgy MD
Apr 11 2016 08:13 PM
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Oh, and injuries:

Wei-Yin Chen is all one-day-at-a-time after taking a liner to the elbow.

Bullpenner Carter Capps will be out for the year with Tommy John surgery, despite a near-sidearm motion.

Lefty specialist Mike Dunn is on the 15-day with a forearm strain.

Top prospect Tyler Kolek, 2014's #2 overall draft choice, will be out for the year with Tommy John Surgery. (A lot of dudes — Kyle Schwarber, Aaron Nola, Michael Conforto — already seem to have made an impact from that draft.)

seawolf17
Apr 11 2016 11:47 PM
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Edgy MD wrote:
HOLY SHIT THEY STILL HAVE ICHIRO. He's now 94 years old, in great shape, 65 hits short of 3,000, and hit his lone home run last year off of the Mets' Álex Torres.

Marlins Who Compromise Seawolf's Rooting Interests
Tom Koehler remains in the service of the South Floridians, but isn't scheduled to go this series.

I was at that game in Miami. Sucked.

I love when we miss TK. Win-win.

Edgy MD
May 26 2016 03:36 PM
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Ichiro is still at it, getting playing time, and — unfathomably — he's been really good.

Lefty Specialist
May 26 2016 07:26 PM
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Yeah, at .385, I'd ride that horse 'til it drops.

Frayed Knot
May 26 2016 07:31 PM
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Particularly with Giancarlo both missing time (out yesterday & again today) and stinking it up as much as he has (.214 w/61 Ks)

Zvon
May 26 2016 08:29 PM
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61 KS!! What the hell is wrong with him?

Frayed Knot
May 26 2016 08:47 PM
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I don't know ... but, for a guy who's played over 125 games in a season just twice in six seasons (2011 & '14), has one top-10 MVP placement (2nd, three seasons ago) and has like $300 billion or so left on his contract, it would not be a good thing for the Marlins if this was the early signs of him going south.

I mean he's still only 26 so I don't want to overthink this yet, but the whole idea of signing him to that kind of deal to is to take advantage of his prime years which he should be in the middle of Right! Now!
Instead, it seems like he may have fallen in love with his moon shots at the expense of the craft of hitting; over 1/3 of his hits this season are HRs (12 of 33) and over half (17) are for XBs. Those would be nice percentages for someone with a decent BA but not .214 from a guy who was a .270 career hitter coming into this season.

Frayed Knot
Jun 03 2016 05:55 PM
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Quickie KTE - June 3-5

Friday 7:10 -- Tom Kohler (insert sub-par education jokes here) [3-5; 4.50; 1.65] vs Syndergaard

Saturday 4:10 -- Justin Nicolino (L) [2-3 in 7 starts, 4.50, 13.25] vs Colon

Sunday 1:10 -- Jose Fernandez [8-2; 2.53; 1.11] vs Harvey (hope we get the good version)
This will be just our 6th time ever facing Fernandez as for a while we were getting lucky and were missing him a lot. He's only 1-0 against us but with a 1.27 and .163 BAA. Oh yeah, and he's also 22-1 lifetime while pitching at home (32 starts)


- Giancarlo is back after some non-DL time off (see, other teams do it too) but is hitting barely .200 and K-ing a ton (64 in 160 ABs)
As a result of both him and Yelich in LF missing time (both are now active), Ichiro has been starting a lot and is hitting a lot: .323 at age 42 even if it's almost entirely singles. He's 35 away from 3,000 MLB hits and just 13 short of tying Pete Rose when his NPL hits are counted.
Also rejuvenated following his off-year/demotion in 2015 is Marcel Ozuna in CF: .327/.380/.527

- Their infield hits a lot too.
Bour at 1st is streaky but dangerous. Derek Dietrich is hitting better [.313/.403/.496] than the suspended Dee Gordon was, Prado at 3rd is always pesky [.313/.352/.374] and Hechavarria at SS ... is a good fielder
Yet somehow with all that hitting they're just barely ahead of the Mets in run scoring: 12th at 3.93 RS/G vs 13th at 3.75

bmfc1
Jun 30 2016 06:37 PM
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Marlins "going for it" by trading for Fernando Rodney from SD.

Frayed Knot
Jul 04 2016 03:05 AM
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So when we last saw these guys they were slightly ahead of us in scoring runs (.18 RS/G)

Yet somehow with all that hitting they're just barely ahead of the Mets in run scoring: 12th at 3.93 RS/G vs 13th at 3.75


Now they're significantly ahead of us (.52 RS/G) which points out more about the way we've hit over the last month than it does about what they've done but they have picked up their offense recently.
Mainly what's happened is that Giancarlo has started to wake up after bottoming out at .192 in mid-June but hitting ~.310 since.

Mets took 2 of 3 in that last series, losing only to Jose Fernandez 1-0


No Fernandez this week though and, theoretically anyway, they should have the pitching edge in this series overall.

Monday - Harvey vs Kohler: 6-7; 4.45
3 runs on 6 hits over 6 IP off Kohler in the game on June 3rd. Mets won 6-2

Tuesday - Matz vs Justin Nicolino (L): 2-4; 5.34
Mets beat Nicolino on June 4th, 2 runs on 9 hits over 5 innings. Mets won 6-4

Wednesday - deGrom vs Wei-Yin Chen (L): 4-3; 5.11
Mets have never faced Chen, either this year or during his time with Baltimore.



As noted above, Fernando Rodney has been added to their pen. AJ Ramos still closing with Rodney now in the 8th.


We start the series 1.5 games ahead of them.

Edgy MD
Jul 04 2016 05:42 PM
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Justin Bour at first base. Earlier in this thread, I suggest that the league will adjust to him. It hasn't happened yet. He's a George Mason product with a bully's face. I mean, the back of his jersey might as well say "Biff Tannen," except not quite as charming.



He turned his ankle on Saturday in a bizarre accident in which he crashed into a manure truck chasing a skateboarder. He was out of action Sunday and is day-to-day going forward. If he can't go, right-handed journeyman Chris Johnson steps into the box. He's the Sunshine State's Eric Campbell, but that's not nothing.

In Dee Gordon's disciplinary absence, Weimar Republic bierhaus entertainer Derek Dietrich has done a surprisingly Daniel Murphyish job, giving the Marlins some decisions to make upon Gordon's imminent return. Dietrich has already set the team mark with 17 hit-by-pitch outcomes, so he's clearly trying to be a soldier out there. While not in a strict platoon, he does far better against righties (.421 OBP!) than lefties, so you may see him sit against Stephen Matz on Tuesday, yielding perhaps to punchy Miguel Rojas, who has a bumper sticker on his car that says, "B-B-B-Born to Bat Eighth."

Journeydude Martin Prado is having a good year at third hitting .320, if a surprisingly low-power (.405 slugging percentage) .320. This is a theme with your 2016 Miami Marlins. The have FIVE regulars (Realmuto, Dietrich, Prado, Marcell Ozuna, and Christian Yelich) hitting .300 or better in this era of low batting averages, while no other team has more than three. And on top of that is not-quite-a-regular Ichiro Suzuki (all revitalized at .335). Go ahead, laugh about Bonds being a hitting coach.

Shortstop Adeiny Hechavarria is leading the league in letters on the back of his jersey, now that Saltalmacchia is in the American League. He's pretty much the offensive weak link, but his glove keeps him in the lineup.

Leftfielder Christian Yellich is probably the best hitter on the team until Giancarlo Stanton proves that he's all the way back from whatever post-beanball funk he fell into, but even Yellich has little power (6 homers) to match his lofty batting average. But he's already got 22 doubles (tied for fifth in the league) and that's no small cheese. This may be his breakthrough season.

Did I say best hitter? I was mistook. Marcel Ozuna has done it all and done it with uncharacteristic power for these 2016 Marlins. He's been on a two-month tear, tempered a bit by a sore wrist a week or so ago. He went 4-6 with a homer in his first game against Atlanta, but followed that up with a pair of oh-fers. We'll see if we get him at full strength.

Giancarlo has been a little better over the last month, but still remains a shadow of his former self, hitting .214 his last seven games. He may be a .219 hitter, but he's still a .219 hitter you're always going to pitch around.

Let's go, Mets!

Frayed Knot
Jul 04 2016 06:16 PM
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So what's suddenly gotten into Fernando Rodney (and are they testing for it) at the age of 39?

Dumped at the deadline by the Mariners last year while sporting an ERA near 6, he pitched reasonably well for the Cubs down the stretch although over just 12 innings.
But this season, after being signed to a one-year deal on the cheap by the Padres, he's allowed just 2 runs (1 earned) on 13 hits all season across 30.2 innings (28.2 w/SD + 2.0 w/Miami). That's a ridiculous 0.29 ERA.
Now he'll walk his share (13 in those 30+ IP) but has obviously figured out a way to work around that so far even if he's yet to figure out how to wear his hat straight.

Edgy MD
Jul 04 2016 08:32 PM
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I meant to observe, this high contact/high average model may be exactly the type of team that wears Harvey down.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jul 22 2016 02:36 PM
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Not 4 Nothing but this is an absolutely huge series for this team -- mathematically, psychologically, philosophically -- and tonight, pretty much the Biggest Game in the History of Logan Verrett. So far.

Failing to win this series will be a very big blow to the NYM postseason express. I suspect the Mets will default to "going for it" regardless at the deadline, but losing the series just makes things that much more difficult. We're not only behind Miami, but St. Louis, and a bad series invites Pittsburgh. At that point it becomes a matter of needing too many other things to go right.

It might smell of panic but I'd be very tempted to accelerate Neil Walker's transition to a bench player. I'm kind of rooting for the Mets to trade him away anyway, as he's not worth the risk of a $15.8M "qualifying offer" and we wouldn't want to have him back on a Muffylike contract anyway.

Flores at 3rd, Reyes at second? They have a lefty Conley going tonight, so perhaps baLoney gets the night off. Maybe Reyes but I'd bet not. Walker for some reason is hitting lefties much better than righties this year.

The Fish? They are 9 games over .500, which represents our season high-water mark, and are the division's best team over their last 30 games (beating us .600 to .500). OTOH they haven't won more than 4 in a row all year.

Friday: Conley (6-5, 3.61) vs. Verrett. This could be Verrett's last shot if he's not good (again) and winning tonight is crucial because tomorrow night it's:
deGrom v Fernandez
Sunday at 2:20, Matz v. Jose Urena. I don't even think I know Urena, but his numbers suggest he sucks.

Iciro will undoubtedly get career his 3,000 (he's four away).

Their lineup is better than ours, hitting well are Yelich, Realmuto, the suddenly wide-awake Stanton and Ozuna.

d'Kong76
Jul 22 2016 03:22 PM
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I have playoff-like anxiety and I'm craving fish tacos.

d'Kong76
Jul 22 2016 03:22 PM
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Oh, and fuck you Ichiro!

themetfairy
Jul 22 2016 06:42 PM
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d'Kong76 wrote:
Oh, and fuck you Ichiro!


This!

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jul 22 2016 06:47 PM
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What's this hostility toward Ichiro?

First-ballot Hall of Famer still doing it at 42, watching him to me is the very definition of poetry in motion, he's a pioneer, and at least used to be a great outfielder.

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d'Kong76
Jul 22 2016 06:56 PM
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I'm just goofin', it's tmf's thing. She'll have to remind us, I forget the beef.

Zvon
Jul 22 2016 07:00 PM
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d'Kong76 wrote:
I'm just goofin', it's tmf's thing. She'll have to remind us, I forget the beef.


I think it was "just because" and that's good nuff for me.

d'Kong76
Jul 22 2016 07:05 PM
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O'fer twelve this weekend works for me!

seawolf17
Jul 22 2016 07:20 PM
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And we escape the white-hot Tom Koehler -- 8 innings with 1 ER last night and somehow tied for the NL lead in games started with 20 -- so that's nice.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jul 22 2016 07:29 PM
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d'Kong76 wrote:
O'fer twelve this weekend works for me!



That's fine too. I hate the Marlins as a thing, but Ichiro's OK in my book.

themetfairy
Jul 22 2016 07:34 PM
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Zvon wrote:
d'Kong76 wrote:
I'm just goofin', it's tmf's thing. She'll have to remind us, I forget the beef.


I think it was "just because" and that's good nuff for me.



It's an in-law thing.

Frayed Knot
Jul 22 2016 07:41 PM
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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
Sunday at 2:20, Matz v. Jose Urena. I don't even think I know Urena, but his numbers suggest he sucks.


24 y/o RH, pitched part of last year, more relieving than starting, and again out of the pen early this year before being sent down at the end of May.
Just recalled post-ASB (essentially replacing Justin Nicolino) for his first ML start of the year, held Philly to 1 run over 5-2/3. This will be his 11th ML start of his career, his 2nd this season.


- Slugging 1B Justin Bour (DL ankle) and speedy 2B Dee Dee Gordon (PED suspension) will miss the series. Gordon eligible again in about a week or so.
Don't suspect we'll see more than one start this series from Ichiro, and maybe not even one. The rest of their OF is going too good right now.

Edgy MD
Aug 10 2016 12:14 PM
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Gar—Batting Stance Guy wrote:
2017 Marlins 1st victory: "ARod base hit! Puig will score, here comes Tebow and the Marlins win it!!!"

Frayed Knot
Aug 14 2016 11:37 PM
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Groin strain for Giancarlo - probably lost for the season.
Suxx for both him and for them obviously but it was also partially his fault; he got caught watching his single which turned out NOT to be caught at which point he suddenly had to turn on the jets attempting to reach 2nd. It was legging it out that caused the pull and, to add insult to injury, he never did reach the base.
So probably more Ichiro in RF ... and maybe some ARod mixed in?


Also DL'd for the Fishies is LH starter Adam Conley with some kind of finger injury. He had the 2nd most innings pitched and K's on the team (behind Fernandez in each).

Mets Guy in Michigan
Aug 15 2016 02:57 AM
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Tough to be a fish fan. These losses, plus the Dee Gordon suspension, coming at a time when the team is finally ready to step up.

Of course, we all know what that's like.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Aug 15 2016 04:02 AM
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Or, at least, it would be tough to be a Fish fan, were there actual Fish fans.

Frayed Knot
Aug 25 2016 02:58 AM
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Three-way trade involving the Marlins, Braves, and Rangers -- the gist of which is that Jeff Francoeur winds up in Miami, presumably to platoon in RF w/Ichiro while Giancarlo is out.
Several minor leaguers changed addresses as did some cash and a couple of "international signings slots" (I still don't understand how those work).

This leaves only the Nationals on Francoeur's NL East bucket list.

Edgy MD
Aug 25 2016 01:40 PM
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God, Francoeur. What a way to show your fans you care.