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Shoulder Boy (Td'A to DL)

G-Fafif Apr 26 2016 06:36 PM

[youtube:1vfq93e7]q24Tt9CmJEk[/youtube:1vfq93e7] Travis d'Arnaud's shoulder sends him to the DL. Rene Rivera up from Vegas to backup No. 1 catcher Plawecki.

Centerfield Apr 26 2016 07:01 PM Re: Shoulder Boy (Td'A to DL)

Travis d'Arnaud hurt? You don't say. Maybe he can take this time to get his head straight. He hasn't been right since he came off the DL last year. He's doing that Julio Franco nonsense and his swing looks like shit.

G-Fafif Apr 26 2016 07:28 PM Re: Shoulder Boy (Td'A to DL)

Rivera will wear No. 44, made famous by John Buck, catcherwise.

TransMonk Apr 26 2016 07:46 PM Re: Shoulder Boy (Td'A to DL)

I'm worried about Travis. He's hurt A LOT. When he's not, he's often good but other times awful. I'm not close to 100% on Plawecki having the stick to be an everyday backstop on a championship team either.

Frayed Knot Apr 26 2016 08:14 PM Re: Shoulder Boy (Td'A to DL) Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Apr 26 2016 08:19 PM

Centerfield wrote: He hasn't been right since he came off the DL last year. He's doing that Julio Franco nonsense and his swing looks like shit. He was hitting fine post-DL last year: .262/.349/.475 in Aug & Sept w/8 HRs and 19 XBHs. Give me that pace for a whole season (even just 450 ABs) and we're talking around 20 HRs and close to 50 XBH which is something I'll take any season from my backstop. Much slower start this season obviously but also a bit better as of late. The throwing woes and now the shoulder ... those are problems.

Edgy MD Apr 26 2016 08:14 PM Re: Shoulder Boy (Td'A to DL)

His throwing last year was fine too, at least statistically, catching 33% of would-be base stealers, versus the league-wide figure of 28%. Injuries will come. They'll come with greater frequency to catchers. Sh'ea la vie.

TransMonk Apr 26 2016 08:39 PM Re: Shoulder Boy (Td'A to DL)

When Travis is right, he can be excellent...he was a big part of the surge last season. I worry about his durability, even for a catcher.

seawolf17 Apr 26 2016 09:00 PM Re: Shoulder Boy (Td'A to DL)

BACK IN MY DAY CATCHERS PLAYED 180 GAMES A YEAR, UPHILL BOTH WAYS. AND THEY LIKED IT.

Ashie62 Apr 26 2016 11:47 PM Re: Shoulder Boy (Td'A to DL)

And Logan Verrett becomes trade bait for a reliable catcher.

Ashie62 Apr 26 2016 11:48 PM Re: Shoulder Boy (Td'A to DL)

G-Fafif wrote: Rivera will wear No. 44, made famous by John Buck, catcherwise. Buck had 8 homers in April for the Mets once.

Ashie62 Apr 26 2016 11:54 PM Re: Shoulder Boy (Td'A to DL)

Plawecki has every opportunity to break out and make the job his. Travis has a right rotator cuff strain so who knows when he might be back.

Frayed Knot Apr 27 2016 12:56 AM Re: Shoulder Boy (Td'A to DL)

Ashie62 wrote: And Logan Verrett becomes trade bait for a reliable catcher. No he doesn't

Edgy MD Apr 27 2016 01:19 AM Re: Shoulder Boy (Td'A to DL)

God no. The only thing Verrett should be bait for is zexy ladies.

Frayed Knot Apr 27 2016 01:58 AM Re: Shoulder Boy (Td'A to DL)

And this doesn't even really have anything to do with Verrett. 1) unless this shoulder woe develops into something career threatening (or at least catcher-threatening) they're not going to go out catcher shopping based on a 15-day DL stint. 2) and if this does turn out to be something serious, the Mets are going to respond by pushing their chips in on Plawecki. At some point NYM mgmt is going to have to decide between one of these two guys. But the good thing about having two young promising catchers is that you don't have to make a panic move if/when one of them goes down, especially not short term.

cooby classic Apr 27 2016 11:00 AM Re: Shoulder Boy (Td'A to DL)

When I read this last night I was thinking you guys were talking about surgery. Whew

Ashie62 Apr 27 2016 12:34 PM Re: Shoulder Boy (Td'A to DL)

I would say that if Travis is traded again it wont be for a Cy Young pitcher. Travis has such a tantalizing bat. Maybe there is some way to reduce the stress on his body.

Ashie62 Apr 27 2016 12:37 PM Re: Shoulder Boy (Td'A to DL)

Frayed Knot wrote: And this doesn't even really have anything to do with Verrett. 1) unless this shoulder woe develops into something career threatening (or at least catcher-threatening) they're not going to go out catcher shopping based on a 15-day DL stint. 2) and if this does turn out to be something serious, the Mets are going to respond by pushing their chips in on Plawecki. At some point NYM mgmt is going to have to decide between one of these two guys. But the good thing about having two young promising catchers is that you don't have to make a panic move if/when one of them goes down, especially not short term. Basically I agree with you. Travis is developing a pattern of unhealthiness, even for a catcher. That might enable the Mets to get a large sample size to evaluate Plawecki.

Lefty Specialist Apr 27 2016 01:20 PM Re: Shoulder Boy (Td'A to DL)

This is a good opportunity for Plawecki. He got the rookie jitters and the sinus problems out of the way. He's going to play every day for a while, so let's hope he takes advantage.

Nymr83 Apr 27 2016 02:48 PM Re: Shoulder Boy (Td'A to DL)

Ashie62 wrote: I would say that if Travis is traded again it wont be for a Cy Young pitcher. Travis has such a tantalizing bat. Maybe there is some way to reduce the stress on his body. if you move him to another position, the bat becomes a whole lot less interesting. this is not Mike Piazza. I think he has proven by now that as a catcher he is going to keep getting hurt (he might get hurt elsewhere too, who knows), the best you can do is take what you get when he is healthy and make sure to always have a reliable backup.

Edgy MD Apr 27 2016 03:17 PM Re: Shoulder Boy (Td'A to DL)

I think he's a far cry from having proven future outcomes of health or lack thereof, except insofar as we will all keep getting hurt, and catchers more than most. It's the varsity's first DL-worthy injury of the year.

Ashie62 Apr 27 2016 05:04 PM Re: Shoulder Boy (Td'A to DL)

Varsity's first. Doubt its' Travis' last.

TransMonk May 04 2016 02:41 PM Re: Shoulder Boy (Td'A to DL)

When is the proper time to start being concerned about this?

Ashie62 May 04 2016 03:12 PM Re: Shoulder Boy (Td'A to DL)

TransMonk wrote: When is the proper time to start being concerned about this? 3 years ago.

TransMonk May 07 2016 11:26 PM Re: Shoulder Boy (Td'A to DL)

d'Arnaud has setback in shoulder rehab I thought Kevin Plawecki could hit.

Ashie62 May 09 2016 03:13 PM Re: Shoulder Boy (Td'A to DL)

Unreal. All in on Plawecki. Travis sounds like MRI's and Dr. Andrews and stuff if this doesn't abate. At 28 its shite or let someone else sit on the pot.

TransMonk May 09 2016 03:25 PM Re: Shoulder Boy (Td'A to DL)

Plawecki has answered the bell the past two games...I hope it's the start of something great.

Ashie62 May 13 2016 05:20 PM Re: Shoulder Boy (Td'A to DL)

Plawecki is serviceable. Travis got a plasma injection in his shoulder monday so who knows. Surprise us Travis and come back befpre the ASG.

Nymr83 May 13 2016 05:31 PM Re: Shoulder Boy (Td'A to DL)

d'Arnaud is looking more and more like a guy who will never stay on the field. Lets hope Plawecki is the real deal.

Edgy MD May 13 2016 06:04 PM Re: Shoulder Boy (Td'A to DL)

I don't believe those injury prone tags. Guys get hurt. By random chance, some get hurt more. By professional hazard, first string catchers get hurt more than most.

Ashie62 May 14 2016 12:07 AM Re: Shoulder Boy (Td'A to DL)

Edgy MD wrote: I don't believe those injury prone tags. Guys get hurt. By random chance, some get hurt more. By professional hazard, first string catchers get hurt more than most. If you are saying that no players are injury prone we disagree. Not letting Travis off the hook because catches. He has proven at age 28 he is either a part-time player or DH. Two other teams have given up on him. I don't see why you like him so much. Heck, we possibly have to troll for a better backup to Plawecki. But we did get Thor in that trade.

Frayed Knot May 14 2016 12:29 AM Re: Shoulder Boy (Td'A to DL)

1) he's 27, not 28 2) Injury "Prone" means someone not only has had a lot of injuries but that it's in some way an indication that he's also more likely than most to be injured again in the future. But even if the first part of that statement is true it doesn't prove that the second is also. 3) Including a guy in a deal for a CY winner is not the same as "giving up on him"

Ashie62 May 14 2016 12:34 AM Re: Shoulder Boy (Td'A to DL)

4 years 800 plus ab ats total. 200 some games in 4 years. Hurt every year. Philly and Toronto may have sold high. Frayed, you can have him. I am not interestd. We will know for sure soon.

Edgy MD May 14 2016 01:38 AM Re: Shoulder Boy (Td'A to DL)

Ashie62 wrote: I don't believe those injury prone tags. Guys get hurt. By random chance, some get hurt more. By professional hazard, first string catchers get hurt more than most. If you are saying that no players are injury prone we disagree. We, your highness? Ashie62 wrote: Not letting Travis off the hook because catches. There are hooks involved? How brutal. Ashie62 wrote: He has proven at age 28 he is either a part-time player or DH. So, how much do I get if you're wrong? If he appears in 100 game a few times? 120? Ashie62 wrote: Two other teams have given up on him. I would that someone quit as much on me. Ashie62 wrote: I don't see why you like him so much. I'm a baseball fan. You should try it. Ashie62 wrote: Heck, we possibly have to troll for a better backup to Plawecki. Trolling is not in my blood. Ashie62 wrote: But we did get Thor in that trade. Never heard of him.

Frayed Knot May 14 2016 02:43 AM Re: Shoulder Boy (Td'A to DL)

Ashie62 wrote: Hurt every year. I am aware of his history. "4 years 800 plus ab ats total." -- Actually it's over 1,000 with the minor league ABs thrown in and it's two seasons plus pieces of two others (wasn't brought up until Aug 2013). You're entitled to your own opinions in these discussions but not to your own facts. "Philly and Toronto may have sold high." -- Ignoring the fact that there's a team trading FOR him each time that another deals him away. Or do those decisions not count? d'Arnaud was the player Sandy was after, Syndergaard was an add-on. "Frayed, you can have him. I am not interestd." -- But you know that Plawecki is the real deal?

Benjamin Grimm May 14 2016 10:37 AM Re: Shoulder Boy (Td'A to DL)

Edgy MD wrote: Edgy MD wrote: I don't believe those injury prone tags. Guys get hurt. By random chance, some get hurt more. By professional hazard, first string catchers get hurt more than most. If you are saying that no players are injury prone we disagree. We, your highness? By "we" he clearly meant "you and I".

Ashie62 May 14 2016 06:04 PM Re: Shoulder Boy (Td'A to DL)

Edgy MD wrote: Edgy MD wrote: I don't believe those injury prone tags. Guys get hurt. By random chance, some get hurt more. By professional hazard, first string catchers get hurt more than most. If you are saying that no players are injury prone we disagree. We, your highness? Not letting Travis off the hook because catches. There are hooks involved? How brutal. He has proven at age 28 he is either a part-time player or DH. So, how much do I get if you're wrong? If he appears in 100 game a few times? 120? Two other teams have given up on him. I would that someone quit as much on me. I don't see why you like him so much. I'm a baseball fan. You should try it. Heck, we possibly have to troll for a better backup to Plawecki. Trolling is not in my blood. But we did get Thor in that trade. Never heard of him. You dont have to be mean.

Edgy MD May 14 2016 07:02 PM Re: Shoulder Boy (Td'A to DL)

I don't think I particularly was. I was defending my position against an unreasonable critique. I apologize if it was less-than charitable. But... "I don't see why you like him so much." What kind of statement is that? I'm a Met fan. Do I need a reason to root for the guy? Has he maliciously hurt anybody? Is there some sort of moral falling in straining his rotator cuff? What sort of hook is he on? You've quit on Plawecki enough also. I don't know why, but you seem to be the first to quit on most everybody. I invite you, with all the friendship and kindness I have, to quit dogging all these guys and enjoy the game, despite all of its uncontrollable vicissitudes. It's one injury, at a position where they have a pretty solid plan B. The Mets rode the storm out last year and it worked out pretty good for them.

Ashie62 May 14 2016 10:06 PM Re: Shoulder Boy (Td'A to DL)

I see your point but I did feel humiliated and chopped up. I must have soft skin.

Ashie62 May 21 2016 08:03 PM Re: Shoulder Boy (Td'A to DL)

[url]http://nypost.com/2016/05/18/theres-no-telling-when-travis-darnaud-will-return-to-mets/ Rehabbing at home in CA

Lefty Specialist May 21 2016 08:51 PM Re: Shoulder Boy (Td'A to DL)

Plawecki burnishing his AAAA credentials.

Ashie62 May 29 2016 05:35 PM Re: Shoulder Boy (Td'A to DL)

Anything with Travis? We really need him.

Ashie62 May 29 2016 05:40 PM Re: Shoulder Boy (Td'A to DL)

Reporting to PSL and speculating a late June return. [url]http://www.rotoworld.com/player/mlb/5250/travis-darnaud

Ashie62 Jun 02 2016 12:13 AM Re: Shoulder Boy (Td'A to DL)

Getting closer. Yeah! Travis d'Arnaud (shoulder) could begin a minor league rehab assignment this weekend. D'Arnaud, who has been out since late April with a strained right rotator cuff, resumed baseball activities last week in Florida. The big test will be game action. Assuming he can avoid setbacks, the Mets could send Kevin Plawecki to Triple-A upon his return and keep Rene Rivera as the backup. May 31 - 1:47 PM Source: ESPN New York

Edgy MD Jun 07 2016 02:51 AM Re: Shoulder Boy (Td'A to DL)

Mets set the return d'Ate for on about June 26, according to the Rube. He's 1-5 so far in the FSL, DHing in his first game back.

Frayed Knot Jun 07 2016 03:31 AM Re: Shoulder Boy (Td'A to DL)

Well that essentially has to be the target date now that he's started a rehab assignment which has a 20 day limit. The test comes when he starts throwing again.

Centerfield Jun 07 2016 01:25 PM Re: Shoulder Boy (Td'A to DL)

You call that "throwing" what he was doing before?

Ashie62 Jun 07 2016 05:07 PM Re: Shoulder Boy (Td'A to DL)

He will have been out about two months if he makes his date.

Edgy MD Jun 07 2016 05:12 PM Re: Shoulder Boy (Td'A to DL)

I like good usage of the future perfect tense.

Ceetar Jun 07 2016 07:15 PM Re: Shoulder Boy (Td'A to DL)

Frayed Knot wrote: Well that essentially has to be the target date now that he's started a rehab assignment which has a 20 day limit. The test comes when he starts throwing again. in which case he can be shut down again making the 'target date' moot and pointless.

Ashie62 Jun 07 2016 09:36 PM Re: Shoulder Boy (Td'A to DL)

Pretty much. Place your bets.

Edgy MD Jun 07 2016 10:50 PM Re: Shoulder Boy (Td'A to DL)

Mets better win game two, 20-0.