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When will David Wright retire?

During the 2016 season

2 votes

After the 2016 season

3 votes

During or after the 2017 season

8 votes

During or after the 2018 season

2 votes

During or after the 2019 season

1 votes

During the 2020 season

1 votes

After his contract expires at the end of the 2020 season

6 votes

Even later than THAT! He'll play in 2021.

1 votes

Benjamin Grimm May 19 2016 03:30 PM

Maybe this poll will survive as long as the one that I started after the 2011 season, concerning how many games Jose Reyes would play over the course of his contract.

Benjamin Grimm May 19 2016 03:52 PM Re: When will David Wright retire?

I'm the one 2017 vote so far. I don't know if that means I'm being optimistic or pessimistic.

Centerfield May 19 2016 04:00 PM Re: When will David Wright retire?

I have the same vote. 2017. I think this year will be pretty unsuccessful. I think in the winter of 2016-2017 they will try a new routine, or some other strengthening exercise that they will hope make 2017 a different story. It won't be. I think within a year from now, we'll all be rooting for him to sit out long periods of time so the Mets can recoup insurance money, and by the end of 2017 David's pride will cause him to retire rather than look foolish for the remainder of his contract. But that is a lot of money for David to walk away from. How does the insurance work? Can David just sit on the 60 day DL until 2020 and collect his money while the Mets collect a portion of it from insurance?

batmagadanleadoff May 19 2016 04:04 PM Re: When will David Wright retire? Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 19 2016 04:22 PM

Centerfield wrote: But that is a lot of money for David to walk away from. How does the insurance work? Can David just sit on the 60 day DL until 2020 and collect his money while the Mets collect a portion of it from insurance? That depends on whether Wright himself took out insurance on his inability to complete his contract. And if so, we'd then need to know the terms and conditions of the policy to determine whether and when Wright could collect if he's forced to retire from health/injuries before his contract ends. We already know that the Wilpons took out insurance on Wright's contract.

cooby May 19 2016 04:06 PM Re: When will David Wright retire?

I said after his contract. Ever hopeful, but bad backs hurt

Ceetar May 19 2016 04:27 PM Re: When will David Wright retire?

batmagadanleadoff wrote: We already know that the Wilpons took out insurance on Wright's contract. but not the terms and deets. and it's often not possible for the last few years. I know he's dropped to only 9 percent better than an average player this year, but hell I'm not wishing he'd sit out. Also where's the "Plays through his contract thanks to the NL adopting the DH" option?

themetfairy May 19 2016 04:27 PM Re: When will David Wright retire?

It is so painful watching him this season, especially in the field. I don't think he's going to make it through the season. I can't find the exact quote, but in speaking about his upcoming retirement Vin Scully said that he never wanted to be that guy who was holding on past his prime - he didn't want to be remembered that way. I think those words will hit home for David before the season is out.

batmagadanleadoff May 19 2016 04:28 PM Re: When will David Wright retire?

Ceetar wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: We already know that the Wilpons took out insurance on Wright's contract. but not the terms and deets. and it's often not possible for the last few years. That's right. We know some of the terms. But we don't know if those terms carried over beyond last season.

d'Kong76 May 19 2016 04:36 PM Re: When will David Wright retire?

I took after this season. His number will be retired in July next year.

batmagadanleadoff May 19 2016 04:38 PM Re: When will David Wright retire?

If you choose "After the 2016 season" you're guaranteed to get it right no matter when Wright retires, so long as he makes it to the end of this season.

d'Kong76 May 19 2016 04:40 PM Re: When will David Wright retire?

I think ya know what it means, Mr Semanticpants!

batmagadanleadoff May 19 2016 04:42 PM Re: When will David Wright retire?

d'Kong76 wrote: I think ya know what it means, Mr Semanticpants! Oh c'mon. You and Grimm write computer code. Youse should appreciate that "jest".

d'Kong76 May 19 2016 04:44 PM Re: When will David Wright retire?

I do, I'm playing!

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 19 2016 04:51 PM Re: When will David Wright retire?

If nothing else, he'll stick around through another year of contention on sheer will, even if it's as a White Julio Franco. I don't know, though; it might be much, much longer, diminishing returns or no. Any time he's sat/stepped away, it's been in the service of long-term career interest, right? So... you don't think he'll do anything-- ANYTHING--to rage against the dying of that light, ESPECIALLY during a "window" for which he's been waiting since '06-'07?

TransMonk May 19 2016 05:58 PM Re: When will David Wright retire?

Agreed with LWFS...I think David sticks around as long as they contend even if it means he has a diminished role. He stuck with the team through the leanest of years to get to this point...I can't imagine him walking away. Carried away on a stretcher? Maybe.

Benjamin Grimm May 19 2016 06:16 PM Re: When will David Wright retire?

I really don't think he'll be playing in 2021.

MFS62 May 19 2016 06:23 PM Re: When will David Wright retire?

The face of the franchise is a grimace. As has been pointed out in a previous thread about his illness, it doesn't get better with time or treatment. Treatment and his pre-game regimen (have not seen any details other than it takes two hours to "get ready" for a game) can only serve to ease the pain. But I feel there will come a point that the pain is too great for him to continue to play, even occasionally. And I also feel at the end of the season he and the Mets will sit down and renegotiate his contract. He will retire and the terms of the new contract will have him stay on with the Mets in an advisory/ front office capacity and the remaining portion of his contract will be spread out over a long term (15-25 years?). A win-win-win. He retires gracefully, it frees up a lot of near term money for the Mets to use for other players and the fans get to see the face of the franchise from time to time. Later

Chad Ochoseis May 19 2016 06:46 PM Re: When will David Wright retire?

batmagadanleadoff wrote: But that is a lot of money for David to walk away from. How does the insurance work? Can David just sit on the 60 day DL until 2020 and collect his money while the Mets collect a portion of it from insurance? That depends on whether Wright himself took out insurance on his inability to complete his contract. And if so, we'd then need to know the terms and conditions of the policy to determine whether and when Wright could collect if he's forced to retire from health/injuries before his contract ends. We already know that the Wilpons took out insurance on Wright's contract. The best article I could find on insuring contracts is this one: http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Dail ... njury.aspx. This one is long-winded and has some BS in it, but sounds logical as far as the discussion of Wright: http://metsmerizedonline.com/2013/02/un ... acts.html/ Wright gets paid by the Mets unless he does what his buddy Michael Cuddyer did and voluntarily retires before the contract expires. If he's injured, he can go on the 60-day, which I believe means that (a) he collects his full salary; (b) he doesn't take up a roster spot on the 40; and (c) from the above articles, chances are that the Mets don't collect anything, because they likely had to renew their policy in 2016 and the renewed policy likely had exclusions for Wright's pre-existing conditions, including the spinal stenosis.

Benjamin Grimm May 19 2016 06:52 PM Re: When will David Wright retire?

David Wright has enough money to last the rest of his life. His future children may also be set for life. Sure, if he were to retire after 2016 he'd be leaving, what, $80 million on the table? But those might be four miserable years if he decides to keep playing. Three hours, maybe eventually four hours, of preparation each day so he could go 0 for 5. Or pinch hit in the sixth inning. If it plays out that way, I can see him deciding that it's not worth the aggravation and the embarrassment. I remember thinking (and speculating here in the forum) the same thing about Jason Bay, but of course it never happened with Bay. But it has happened with Cuddyer, so it's no longer unprecedented. The big difference, at this point, is that Wright has more years ahead of him and more money coming to him, but the principle is the same. At what point is it no longer worth it?

Edgy MD May 19 2016 07:03 PM Re: When will David Wright retire?

Sheesh, are we all so certain of a future of unending futility from this point forward?

Benjamin Grimm May 19 2016 07:08 PM Re: When will David Wright retire?

No, I'm not certain. I'm still hoping he has a surge or two left in him for this year. But I do think that each year is going to be tougher on him and less productive than the preceding year. There's likely a lot of downward spiral ahead over the next four and 3/4 seasons.

batmagadanleadoff May 19 2016 07:44 PM Re: When will David Wright retire?

Chad Ochoseis wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: Wright gets paid by the Mets unless he does what his buddy Michael Cuddyer did and voluntarily retires before the contract expires. If he's injured, he can go on the 60-day, which I believe means that (a) he collects his full salary; (b) he doesn't take up a roster spot on the 40; and (c) from the above articles, chances are that the Mets don't collect anything, because they likely had to renew their policy in 2016 and the renewed policy likely had exclusions for Wright's pre-existing conditions, including the spinal stenosis. Yeah, we were speculating on what could happen if Wright retires. It's uncharacteristic of Wright, but hypothetically, if Wright were to reach the point where he could no longer play at the major league level, and by that I mean replacement level, but refused to retire -- he'd be sticking it to the Mets because (I assume without looking it up) Wright's contract is guaranteed. The Mets aren't obligated to pay him if he quits/retires in mid-contract, but if Wright doesn't ....

Zvon May 19 2016 07:54 PM Re: When will David Wright retire?

Ugh, was thinking about this last night. I don't want to think about it right now. After the game.

Zvon May 19 2016 08:00 PM Re: When will David Wright retire?

My biggest fear is a sudden retirement. Like one day next week he says, nope, I can't do it any more. That would really floor me. Ugh, this sounds very stupid but I'd rather see him in there giving us whatever he has left as opposed to any other scenario (that doesn't involve a fantasy). So I'll watch his decline gracefully with respect. It'll be hard sometimes, to watch, but behind that I know this is very hard on him, so I temper my feelings with care.

Ceetar May 19 2016 08:13 PM Re: When will David Wright retire?

Zvon wrote: My biggest fear is a sudden retirement. Like one day next week he says, nope, I can't do it any more. That would really floor me. Ugh, this sounds very stupid but I'd rather see him in there giving us whatever he has left as opposed to any other scenario (that doesn't involve a fantasy). So I'll watch his decline gracefully with respect. It'll be hard sometimes, to watch, but behind that I know this is very hard on him, so I temper my feelings with care. he was arguing himself into the game on Tuesday, so I can't see that happening.

Lefty Specialist May 19 2016 08:20 PM Re: When will David Wright retire?

MFS62 wrote: The face of the franchise is a grimace. Exactly right. And it's hard to watch. David has a burning desire to play. An article in Men's Health detailed his regimen, and it made me tired just reading it. But backs just don't get better. At some point it just won't be worth it. I think he'll try to play the 2017 season at a reduced capacity, but that'll be it.

Frayed Knot May 19 2016 08:31 PM Re: When will David Wright retire? Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 19 2016 08:34 PM

As I pointed out the in a similar discussion a few days ago (about Wright in general but not specifically about retirement) this "reduced capacity" of which we speak is, counting the approx half-season worth of ABs amassed during the tail-end of last year plus the beginning of this one, a slash-line of .260/.372/.419 (OPS+ of 119) with about 18 HRs & 30 doubles over a 500 AB span. Reduced as compared to younger David Wright? - Sure Indicative of someone ready to be put out to pasture? - Not yet anyway

Ceetar May 19 2016 08:33 PM Re: When will David Wright retire?

Frayed Knot wrote: As I pointed out the in a similar discussion a few days ago (about Wright in general but not specifically about retirement) this "reduced capacity" of which we speak is, counting the approx half-season worth of ABs amassed during the tail-end of last year plus the beginning of this one, a slash-line of .260/.372/.419 with about 18 HRs & 30 doubles over a 500 AB span. Reduced as compared to younger David Wright? - Sure Indicative of someone ready to be put out to pasture? - Not yet anyway but he's like 2 for his last 20, clearly he's done now right? flash forward to a month from now after he's hit 6 home runs and has a .405 OBP. but he's like 3 for his last 24, clearly he's done now right? He just _looks_ done.

G-Fafif May 19 2016 08:37 PM Re: When will David Wright retire?

If they win it all in 2016, I could see him pulling a Cuddyer ("there's life after baseball, Dave," his buddy will text him), but I can't see him not trying, trying and trying some more to keep going into next year, maybe treating it as the year after the year after and now everything will be easier. Darryl's HR record may endure.

Edgy MD May 19 2016 08:37 PM Re: When will David Wright retire?

Except, every player ever has sucked at one point over 24 at-bats. Some have been done at that point, but most have not been. This is true of Wright any number of times. I loathe to draw broad conclusions every time. That's living at armageddon's edge.

batmagadanleadoff May 19 2016 08:44 PM Re: When will David Wright retire?

Oh relax already. It's only a thread and a poll.

Edgy MD May 19 2016 08:50 PM Re: When will David Wright retire?

Yeah. Agitation is bad.

Benjamin Grimm May 19 2016 08:54 PM Re: When will David Wright retire?

I agree that this may just be a slump. And that David may have several hot streaks remaining in his career. But this is definitely a reminder that the best is behind him and the decline is in progress. It's really a question of how swift that decline will be.

Ceetar May 19 2016 08:59 PM Re: When will David Wright retire?

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I agree that this may just be a slump. And that David may have several hot streaks remaining in his career. But this is definitely a reminder that the best is behind him and the decline is in progress. It's really a question of how swift that decline will be. Clearly. I said as much 4/20-4/30 2007 when he went 4/35 over 10 games with a .469 OPS and 1 XBH. He was crap after that mostly, despite deserving the MVP.

Edgy MD May 19 2016 09:00 PM Re: When will David Wright retire?

At the risk of being unrelaxed, I think it's also a question of how much can be gleaned from a future that remains. I think too swift a jump is generally made among fandom from "in decline" to "done." As someone in decline myself, I think that's meaningful. For years, those on the presidential beat and the papal beat in newspapers were derided by their colleagues as having deathwatch beat. But operating them as deathwatches misses everything, letting dozens of big stories slip through your hands while always writing what you see the ultimate big story in your head.

Centerfield May 19 2016 09:14 PM Re: When will David Wright retire?

I'm not certain of anything and I am not ready to put Wright out to pasture. But my worry (posted in the worries here thread) is that he's done. This particular thread calls for a prediction, and as such, I predicted. Largely based upon my worry. And yes, I base my prediction partly on what he looks like out there. I realize every player slumps. I think Bryce Harper is mired in a terrible slump right now. But fearing he may be done (23 years old, healthy) would be silly. I don't think it's silly at all to worry that Wright (10 years older, degenerative back condition) might be done.

Edgy MD May 19 2016 09:19 PM Re: When will David Wright retire?

Wonder if somewhere, someone is writing on the internet right now that Bryce Harper is done. [youtube:179w6o5o]pWX5G8oTO08[/youtube:179w6o5o] Good Dickey Day footage in there.

batmagadanleadoff May 19 2016 09:24 PM Re: When will David Wright retire?

Centerfield wrote: I'm not certain of anything and I am not ready to put Wright out to pasture. But my worry (posted in the worries here thread) is that he's done. This particular thread calls for a prediction, and as such, I predicted. Largely based upon my worry. And yes, I base my prediction partly on what he looks like out there. I realize every player slumps. I think Bryce Harper is mired in a terrible slump right now. But fearing he may be done (23 years old, healthy) would be silly. I don't think it's silly at all to worry that Wright (10 years older, degenerative back condition) might be done. Everyone realizes players slump. And everyone here understands that Wright might simply be mired in a bit of a slump himself that he'll work his way out of. It's just that some people can't handle any negative talk about the Mets, especially when it's coming from certain people. So now the whole sensible discussion is gonna get sabotaged with ridiculous sarcastic and ironic comments like this all means that Wright is gonna hand in his retirement papers tomorrow and Bryce Harper will follow as soon as he goes hitless in three straight games.

Edgy MD May 19 2016 09:26 PM Re: When will David Wright retire?

I'm certain I write more thoughtfully than you suggest. And the "some people" act is unworthy of you. Please stop. I certainly think it's entirely possible that he may never be good again.

Zvon May 19 2016 09:38 PM Re: When will David Wright retire?

Ceetar wrote: Zvon wrote: My biggest fear is a sudden retirement. Like one day next week he says, nope, I can't do it any more. That would really floor me. Ugh, this sounds very stupid but I'd rather see him in there giving us whatever he has left as opposed to any other scenario (that doesn't involve a fantasy). So I'll watch his decline gracefully with respect. It'll be hard sometimes, to watch, but behind that I know this is very hard on him, so I temper my feelings with care. he was arguing himself into the game on Tuesday, so I can't see that happening. My father has spinal stenosis. It is said to be degenerative and that makes you think, oh, nice and slow. But in some cases you can take a sudden downward spin. I'm sure my father's age is a major contributor and not the same as David's situation, but the spinal stenosis is what it is. Let's say Wright is performing at maybe 75% (speculation) of his potential (before the back). Believe me (because I would rather not be typing this) that his back condition could go from 75% to 50% (or lower) overnight. Because of Wrights age & conditioning, I don't see it either, but my fear is that possibility. And the possibility is very real.

Ashie62 May 19 2016 10:12 PM Re: When will David Wright retire?

I have a friend, 47 year old male in good shape with spinal stenosis. It is a degenerative disease and he had his first disc surgery last year. How can you swing a bat with such force and not tweak a disc sooner or later? End of 2016.

d'Kong76 May 20 2016 12:46 AM Re: When will David Wright retire?

I've had degenerative spine issues since my early 20's. I also have chronic arthritis in my neck in three vertebrae. (can't believe I spelled that without the browser red underlining). It's all attached and needs daily attention with a half-hour routine or the rolling dice can come up snake eyes. I forget if it was pre-game yesterday, or post, when they said ya know ya just know day to day how they'll feel when they wake up. Truer words never spoken. People without back problems should count their blessings. It's hell sometimes.

Zvon May 20 2016 12:54 AM Re: When will David Wright retire?

d'Kong76 wrote: I've had degenerative spine issues since my early 20's. I also have chronic arthritis in my neck in three vertebrae. (can't believe I spelled that without the browser red underlining). It's all attached and needs daily attention with a half-hour routine or the rolling dice can come up snake eyes. I forget if it was pre-game yesterday, or post, when they said ya know ya just know day to day how they'll feel when they wake up. Truer words never spoken. People without back problems should count their blessings. It's hell sometimes. That's some tough stuff. Sorry you have to go thru that.

Frayed Knot May 20 2016 12:56 AM Re: When will David Wright retire?

I decided to get a jump on middle age and started having back problems at age 14. Not a common malady for guys weighing about 110 pounds but whatyagonnado? But, aside from the occasional times (once or twice every couple of years) when they totally knock me off my feet for a few days at a time, I don't require any particular maintenance or precautions.

d'Kong76 May 20 2016 01:04 AM Re: When will David Wright retire?

Zvon wrote: That's some tough stuff. Sorry you have to go thru that. Thanks, but nah I'm good and I'm not an aging professional athlete. 90 percent of the year I'm fine. That ten percent sucks...

Lefty Specialist May 20 2016 12:10 PM Re: When will David Wright retire?

I get that anybody can go 2-24. What's alarming are the strikeouts- 48 K's in 117 AB's. It's one thing if you're going to hit 40 home runs, but he's not.

Ashie62 May 21 2016 11:15 PM Re: When will David Wright retire?

49 k's 121 AB

Frayed Knot May 21 2016 11:21 PM Re: When will David Wright retire?

When will David Wright retire? Not today.

Zvon May 21 2016 11:37 PM Re: When will David Wright retire?

Frayed Knot wrote: When will David Wright retire? Not today. big purple boc

Rockin' Doc May 22 2016 01:29 AM Re: When will David Wright retire?

I still think that due to age and health (back) issues David Wright is in steep decline. He will have his moments, but they will be far less frequent than in the past. To a great extent he seems overmatched at the plate. I expect that after a disappointing 2016 season, he will work hard in the off season with the intention of showing that 2016 was an aberration and he can still be a major contributor to a contending team. By mid season 2017, it will become apparent to everyone, including David, that he is essentially done and he will retire around the All Star break. I truly hope my vision of the future is wrong and Wright shows himself to be a solid MLB third baseman, but I will be very pleasantly surprised if that were to happen.

Ceetar May 22 2016 02:35 AM Re: When will David Wright retire?

Rockin' Doc wrote: To a great extent he seems overmatched at the plate. Gary harps on this some lately. I disagree. Just the other day he turned a Strasburg 98 mph fastball right around and drove it 98mph, 310+ feet to center field. Had he been just a tad slower catching up to it, it would've gone into the gap for a double.

batmagadanleadoff May 22 2016 02:38 AM Re: When will David Wright retire?

Ceetar wrote: Rockin' Doc wrote: To a great extent he seems overmatched at the plate. Gary harps on this some lately. I disagree. Just the other day he turned a Strasburg 98 mph fastball right around and drove it 98mph, 310+ feet to center field. Had he been just a tad slower catching up to it, it would've gone into the gap for a double. Yeah, and if he swung a lot harder without compromising his ability to hit the ball, he woulda drove it 550 feet to left center field. Also, Wright would probably have about 45 HR's by now if he was better than Babe Ruth and Barry Bonds combined. And three or four complete game shutouts.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 22 2016 02:58 AM Re: When will David Wright retire?

Overmatched? Slump inclusive, he's the third-most valuable bat on the team this year, and top-20 in average batted-ball exit velocity. In other words, very few hitters in baseball are consistently hitting it harder.

Lefty Specialist May 22 2016 03:01 AM Re: When will David Wright retire?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Overmatched? Slump inclusive, he's the third-most valuable bat on the team this year, and top-20 in average batted-ball exit velocity. In other words, very few hitters in baseball are consistently hitting it harder. He isn't hitting it harder when he strikes out 50 times in 42 games.

batmagadanleadoff May 22 2016 03:03 AM Re: When will David Wright retire?

Wright's base on balls rate is off the charts this season. He's on pace to draw 100 walks while playing only 75% of the season. I have mixed feelings about that -- and it's not because I have anything against the walk -- I don't -- I absolutely love it. I just think that this development might be further evidence of Wright's decline. Especially when his walk rate is considered in tandem with his increased strikeout rate. His whiff rates are also off the charts. He's on pace to fan almost 200 times this season -- again, obviously, in only 75% of the season. I think these numbers demonstrate what we can all see with our own eyes -- that his ability to simply make contact with pitches has markedly diminished between last season and this one. We can speculate as to whether this will be the new norm or whether this is something fixable or even just random.

batmagadanleadoff May 22 2016 03:08 AM Re: When will David Wright retire?

Lefty Specialist wrote: LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Overmatched? Slump inclusive, he's the third-most valuable bat on the team this year, and top-20 in average batted-ball exit velocity. In other words, very few hitters in baseball are consistently hitting it harder. He isn't hitting it harder when he strikes out 50 times in 42 games. It's even worse than that. It's the Mets that played 42 games. Wright -- 33 games.

Chad Ochoseis May 22 2016 03:53 AM Re: When will David Wright retire?

Overmatched? Slump inclusive, he's the third-most valuable bat on the team this year, and top-20 in average batted-ball exit velocity. In other words, very few hitters in baseball are consistently hitting it harder. This got me curious, so I checked the correlation between OPS and exit velocity for those fifty players - it's 0.001. The correlation between strikeout:AB and exit velocity is 0.157. Those stats aren't perfect, but it certainly looks like there's no meaningful relationship between how hard a player hits a ball and how productive of a hitter he is, and only a little bit of a relationship between how hard he hits the ball and his strikeout rate.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 22 2016 04:26 AM Re: When will David Wright retire?

Overmatched? Slump inclusive, he's the third-most valuable bat on the team this year, and top-20 in average batted-ball exit velocity. In other words, very few hitters in baseball are consistently hitting it harder. This got me curious, so I checked the correlation between OPS and exit velocity for those fifty players - it's 0.001. The correlation between strikeout:AB and exit velocity is 0.157. Those stats aren't perfect, but it certainly looks like there's no meaningful relationship between how hard a player hits a ball and how productive of a hitter he is, and only a little bit of a relationship between how hard he hits the ball and his strikeout rate. Correction: the problem is with using OPS as a one-size-fits-all measure to gauge offensive productivity, as it inelegantly smashes its component parts together, weights them equally, and flattens the difference between them. There does seem to be some significant correlation between slugging and wOBA, especially when taken in conjunction with launch angle. Blahblahblah... My point in citing the exit-velocity stuff was, Wright's not getting cheapies when he puts bat on ball, and he's walking a lot more. While he might not be optimal-DW at this time, he's not ineffective, even if the strikeout rate stays ridiculously high.

Edgy MD May 22 2016 11:02 AM Re: When will David Wright retire?

Yeah, I was going to mention that. Accepting the equal weights between slugging and OBP inherent in OPS works well enough when that's what you're measuring, but it's highly deceptive when grabbing it to measure something else.

MFS62 May 22 2016 02:00 PM Re: When will David Wright retire?

Chad Ochoseis wrote: Those stats aren't perfect, but it certainly looks like there's no meaningful relationship between how hard a player hits a ball and how productive of a hitter he is, If you're looking for an example of that, look at those seventeen hoppers that found holes in the infield off the bat of Derek Jeter. Later

Chad Ochoseis May 22 2016 05:55 PM Re: When will David Wright retire?

Don't want to get too far off the Wright topic, but nobody has proved that OPS isn't a useful statistic, or that it's highly deceptive. It's flawed, certainly, for the reasons you mentioned - that's why I said that the stats I was using weren't perfect. But if team X has an average OPS of .750, and team Y has an average OPS of .700, it's a good bet that team X will be more productive, by any offensive measure you're willing to use. I used OPS because that was the stat that was easy to copy off the web quickly. wOBA might have been better, but I don't know where to download up to date wOBA quickly, conveniently, and cheaply by player. Regarding exit velocity, the FiveThirtyEight article seems to imply that exit velocity isn't particularly useful unless coupled with launch angle, with the exception that home runs have a consistently high exit velocity. And simply looking at average exit velocity and average launch angle wouldn't be helpful, as you'd need to look at each instance in tandem. That is, an average exit velocity of 85 mph and an average launch angle of 12 degrees may represent a good line drive hitter (if there isn't much variance in that launch angle's distribution) or just a stiff who pops up and grounds out a lot (if the launch angle's distribution has a high variance).

Frayed Knot May 22 2016 08:59 PM Re: When will David Wright retire?

Some stuff to chew on regarding a lot of what's been discussed in this thread. http://mets.locals.baseballprospectus.c ... -scenario/ I'll need to digest this a bit more fully when I have some time.

Nymr83 May 23 2016 01:52 AM Re: When will David Wright retire?

lets get real here - Cuddyer was a much older player with ONE year left on his deal who figured he'd rather take an undisclosed buyout to retire instead of riding the bench all season. Wright is a man owed a ton of money over many seasons who really doesn't have to do anything - other than find a doctor who says he cant play - to collect it all. So the real question is what is the soonest the Mets' would stomach a monster-size buyout? I'd have to think the last year of the deal. The other factor is the embarrassment factor that many believe the Wilpons' look at combined with their post-Madoff "cheapness" - Wright getting a buyout makes for Bonilla-like jokes for decades to come while Wright on the DL is just another bad contract. Also, Wright on the DL inflates their payroll number while a bought-out Wright leads to years of criticism as to what their 'true' payroll is as they try to say that "counts" and the critics say it doesnt. I say he retires after the contract, and probably spends 1/3 of the remaining contract on the DL. Now, he hasn't actually been bad so far this season... but i'm really skeptical of back injuries

batmagadanleadoff May 23 2016 06:47 PM Re: When will David Wright retire?

Frayed Knot wrote: Some stuff to chew on regarding a lot of what's been discussed in this thread. http://mets.locals.baseballprospectus.c ... -scenario/ I'll need to digest this a bit more fully when I have some time. This is what I kinda thought was going on. If Wright is making less overall contact -- and he undoubtedly is -- but hitting the ball harder, then he's likely being more selective. Probably with pitches at and near the edges of the plate that he recognizes that he can no longer hit -- at least not as good as he used to. On those pitches, he's just letting them go by, hoping to get the ball instead of strike call. If this is an accurate explanation of what's going on with Wright, then i don't think that he'll be able to sustain his current level of effectiveness -- I'd expect more decline, probably in-season. The reason being that pitchers that haven't yet figured out Wright's new vulnerabilities will find out soon enough and then those pitches at the edges that Wright can't handle will suddenly appear more and more so right over the fat part of the plate where Wright won't be able to take them and hope for a ball call. I hope I'm wrong.

Edgy MD May 23 2016 07:12 PM Re: When will David Wright retire?

Nymr83 wrote: lets get real here - Cuddyer was a much older player with ONE year left on his deal who figured he'd rather take an undisclosed buyout to retire instead of riding the bench all season. Of course, he'd be our first baseman right about now.

Frayed Knot May 23 2016 11:19 PM Re: When will David Wright retire?

batmagadanleadoff wrote: This is what I kinda thought was going on. If Wright is making less overall contact -- and he undoubtedly is -- but hitting the ball harder, then he's likely being more selective. Probably with pitches at and near the edges of the plate that he recognizes that he can no longer hit -- at least not as good as he used to. On those pitches, he's just letting them go by, hoping to get the ball instead of strike call. That selectivity would also explain the increased pct of K's-looking. My only gripe with the piece is that BP (as BP tends to do) is taking a small sample size and acting as if they now know the set pattern for the remainder of his career. Maybe that will be it, but that's a big assumption to make based on just 26 games - the number that Davey had played up to the point of the article. And it's not like his K-rate hasn't fluctuated before.

Frayed Knot May 24 2016 12:58 AM Re: When will David Wright retire?

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Edgy MD May 28 2016 12:47 AM Re: When will David Wright retire?

David Wright looks like he's going to cause a few retirements before he packs it in himself.

cooby May 28 2016 01:14 AM Re: When will David Wright retire?

Frayed Knot wrote: [fimg=400]http://edex.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/montypython.gif[/fimg] Fk, WTF is that? I might wake up screaming

Frayed Knot May 28 2016 01:20 AM Re: When will David Wright retire?

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cooby May 28 2016 01:21 AM Re: When will David Wright retire?

Oh okay! Monty Python makes even scary stuff ok !

Zvon May 28 2016 03:24 AM Re: When will David Wright retire?

You have to see it Cooby :) [youtube:karmzpy3]W4rR-OsTNCg[/youtube:karmzpy3]

cooby May 28 2016 03:27 AM Re: When will David Wright retire?

'I feel fine!'

Zvon May 28 2016 03:33 AM Re: When will David Wright retire?

That's a classic. As is the whole movie. Check it out sometime. :)

cooby May 28 2016 03:35 AM Re: When will David Wright retire?

I'm sure I've seen it! But I'm overdue to see it again!

batmagadanleadoff May 28 2016 04:18 AM Re: When will David Wright retire?

I wonder if David Wright took a page from last season's new Daniel Murphy playbook? When Wright sees a pitch that he thinks he can handle, he tries to annihilate it, instead of just hitting it. It's consistent with the BP piece FK linked to above.

Centerfield May 28 2016 04:24 AM Re: When will David Wright retire?

Zvon wrote: You have to see it Cooby :) [youtube]W4rR-OsTNCg[/youtube] "I think I'll go for a walk..."

Lefty Specialist May 28 2016 11:58 AM Re: When will David Wright retire?

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Some stuff to chew on regarding a lot of what's been discussed in this thread. http://mets.locals.baseballprospectus.c ... -scenario/ I'll need to digest this a bit more fully when I have some time. This is what I kinda thought was going on. If Wright is making less overall contact -- and he undoubtedly is -- but hitting the ball harder, then he's likely being more selective. Probably with pitches at and near the edges of the plate that he recognizes that he can no longer hit -- at least not as good as he used to. On those pitches, he's just letting them go by, hoping to get the ball instead of strike call. If this is an accurate explanation of what's going on with Wright, then i don't think that he'll be able to sustain his current level of effectiveness -- I'd expect more decline, probably in-season. The reason being that pitchers that haven't yet figured out Wright's new vulnerabilities will find out soon enough and then those pitches at the edges that Wright can't handle will suddenly appear more and more so right over the fat part of the plate where Wright won't be able to take them and hope for a ball call. I hope I'm wrong. Interesting. Certainly explains all those strikeouts looking. And last night, just one hit but that hit left the yard. He's hitting .226, but has a .788 OPS.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 28 2016 03:08 PM Re: When will David Wright retire?

Like I said before, it's a different shape, but not necessarily less effective. Hell, it's pretty much what we got out of Grandy last year, along with unexpectedly good defense.

d'Kong76 May 29 2016 01:46 PM Re: When will David Wright retire?

Marc Carig, Newsday -- Mets’ David Wright now dealing with neck injury

Zvon May 29 2016 02:29 PM Re: When will David Wright retire?

"Now the neck, that's pretty close to the spine, isn't it? Could the someone who's causing the back be the same someone causing the neck? Just speaking hypothetically here, mind you..."

Ashie62 May 29 2016 05:33 PM Re: When will David Wright retire?

d'Kong76 wrote: Marc Carig, Newsday -- Mets’ David Wright now dealing with neck injury This is really not good. Should David be thinking about his body in life after baseball at this point or is that just off base.

Zvon May 29 2016 10:32 PM Re: When will David Wright retire?

Marc Carig, Newsday -- Mets’ David Wright now dealing with neck injury This is really not good. Should David be thinking about his body in life after baseball at this point or is that just off base. Unfortunately not off base:(

Zvon May 30 2016 08:38 PM Re: When will David Wright retire?

Herniated disc in his neck. :( OE: More about it tomorrow after Dave sees doc. David Wright says it's difficult to turn his head side to side. He's hoping medicine keeps reducing pain. Notes it's team's call on DL.

MFS62 May 30 2016 11:40 PM Re: When will David Wright retire?

Herniated disc in his neck. :( OE: More about it tomorrow after Dave sees doc. David Wright says it's difficult to turn his head side to side. He's hoping medicine keeps reducing pain. Notes it's team's call on DL. Well, it would be a way to make room on the roster for the new first baseman they just acquired. Later

Edgy MD May 31 2016 01:33 AM Re: When will David Wright retire?

The Mets will need room on the 40 for Lonesome, so it might take more than that. It could be a dramatic 24 hours. I suspect a possible DFA of Campbell and transfer of Walker to third is also on the table.

duan May 31 2016 10:00 AM Re: When will David Wright retire?

I don't see them DFA'ing Campbell, but I could be wrong. I'd think that Jeff Walters could well be your man - a 28 year old reliever with a 9+ era in AAA (even Las Vegas) isn't going to have THAT many people grabbing him.

Edgy MD May 31 2016 12:24 PM Re: When will David Wright retire?

Yeah, I only mention it as a possibility. Walters has cleared waivers before and he's probably their best candidate to clear them again.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 31 2016 03:41 PM Re: When will David Wright retire?

Edgy MD wrote: The Mets will need room on the 40 for Lonesome, so it might take more than that. It could be a dramatic 24 hours. I suspect a possible DFA of Campbell and transfer of Walker to third is also on the table. "On the table," insofar as Conforto's first-base move was, or Campbell pitching the other day was. Like, it was verbalized at some point, and it's theoretically within the realm of possibility, as nothing precluding that has yet occurred. But yeah... positional shifts, when you've got guys who can fill in more naturally (see: Willy F, Loney), are probably a bridge too far for a defense that's already halfway to shrugging at balls in play.

Ashie62 Jun 03 2016 02:38 AM Re: When will David Wright retire?

This is horrible. I am sad for him. I believe it is over. [url]http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/15913633/david-wright-new-york-mets-extended-period

d'Kong76 Jun 03 2016 03:16 AM Re: When will David Wright retire?

Guess not entirely unexpected, but it is sad news. These things don't get better and now it's top to bottom.

Zvon Jun 03 2016 04:41 AM Re: When will David Wright retire?

I guess we can say we've already witnessed the beginning of the end, last season (or the 2011 back injury may be the real root). But I don't want it to end yet. Please don't let end yet. There is more to David's story. There is a happy ending, hopefully with a ring, but at this point I'll settle for just the happy ending. Catching Strawman would be a nice addition to the story, and the accomplishment would make me very happy. Now it's one step at a time. I want to see him get the HR record. The Wright WalkOff ToppsNOW cards just came today. It caught Wright full smile with his teammates mobbing him. I was so happy when I saw the card earlier. Then I read this and I view it with a tinge of sadness. I don't want David's story to be over yet. If anyone can come back from this it's Wright.

bmfc1 Jun 03 2016 01:05 PM Re: When will David Wright retire?

4 to 6 weeks of no David (at least). Time for Sandy to step up and do something besides recalling Matt Reynolds.

cooby Jun 03 2016 01:40 PM Re: When will David Wright retire?

Terrible news. Can we start a different DW thread? Sometimes I don't open this one any more. Maybe a DW's getting some well deserved rest thread or something?

Zvon Jun 03 2016 05:56 PM Re: When will David Wright retire?

bmfc1 wrote: 4 to 6 weeks of no David (at least). Time for Sandy to step up and do something besides recalling Matt Reynolds. I'd like to see Reynolds get more playing time, a few games in a row (okay, a few more) and see what he can do. Why do they keep shuffling this guy under the rug. They ran Campy out there day after day even though he was clearly not getting it done on any basis. I think he popped one and got one important hit. I think Reynolds could be the answer to a few of our problems. Of course, you guys know what a brown nose I am for Mets players but this is more than me going RA!RA! SIS! BOOM!BAA~! The only part of this vid that applies is when MJ says "SHOW ME WHAT YOU CAN DO!" (girl?-Gah! omit the girl part). [youtube]ho7796-au8U[/youtube]

Zvon Jun 03 2016 06:08 PM Re: When will David Wright retire?

And btw, all of you looking for a gut punch. This is a gut punch.

cooby Jun 03 2016 06:37 PM Re: When will David Wright retire?

Zvon wrote: bmfc1 wrote: 4 to 6 weeks of no David (at least). Time for Sandy to step up and do something besides recalling Matt Reynolds. I'd like to see Reynolds get more playing time, a few games in a row (okay, a few more) and see what he can do. Why do they keep shuffling this guy under the rug. They ran Campy out there day after day even though he was clearly not getting it done on any basis. I think he popped one and got one important hit. I think Reynolds could be the answer to a few of our problems. Of course, you guys know what a brown nose I am for Mets players but this is more than me going RA!RA! SIS! BOOM!BAA~! The only part of this vid that applies is when MJ says "SHOW ME WHAT YOU CAN DO!" (girl?-Gah! omit the girl part). [youtube]ho7796-au8U[/youtube] I want that fringed vest