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POLL: 1ST BASE
David Wright (Flores plays 3B) | 0 votes |
Wilmer Flores | 7 votes |
Michael Conforto (Lagares plays CF, Cespedes to LF) | 6 votes |
Neil Walker (Dilson Herrera plays 2B) | 7 votes |
Eric Campbell | 0 votes |
Marc Krauss | 0 votes |
Dominic Smith | 0 votes |
Another Player currently in the organization | 1 votes |
PANIC!!! TRADE FOR A VETERAN 1B NOW!! | 1 votes |
Nymr83 May 24 2016 01:23 AM |
What would YOU do until Duda gets back?
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Mets Guy in Michigan May 24 2016 01:33 AM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
Has Walker ever played first?
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Nymr83 May 24 2016 01:34 AM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
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No, and Conforto hasn't either. These are all the options as I see them, I don't claim they are equally valid.
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Ceetar May 24 2016 01:39 AM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
I choose Keith out of retirement.
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Edgy MD May 24 2016 02:01 AM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
All of the above.
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d'Kong76 May 24 2016 02:06 AM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
I like the Conforto scenario the best, sounds early on like the Mets
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dinosaur jesus May 24 2016 03:03 AM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
I had a dream one time that the Mets would be playing a big piece of lasagna at first. I still like that better than any of these options.
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Zvon May 24 2016 03:10 AM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
I was a little surprised to hear the booth talking about this and making it sound like it's a consideration at the forefront. Flores could possibly step up. He usually does when he has nothing to lose.
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TransMonk May 24 2016 03:20 AM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
I like using Conforto at first to get Lagares' bat and glove on the field everyday. It doesn't hurt to try.
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MFS62 May 24 2016 03:26 AM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
Wilmer, once he returns from minor league rehab.
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Edgy MD May 24 2016 03:41 AM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
I'd bet against anything lasting 15 years.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 24 2016 07:05 AM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
Do keep in mind that Conforto is playing above-average defense in left field, and that he has never-- not in the minors, not in high school, not in little league-- wielded a first-baseman's glove in anger.
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Lefty Specialist May 24 2016 10:57 AM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
Wilmer short-term, Conforto longer term. Ty Kelly really, really short-term.
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Fman99 May 24 2016 11:25 AM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
Wilmer.
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bmfc1 May 24 2016 11:27 AM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
I don't consider this a "panic" move but a trade for Kelly Johnson could be done quickly and for minimal cost. He's no Duda but he can play 1B and would be a stop-gap while Sandy and the Mets organization figure out something bigger. If/after another move is made, Johnson stays (even though they now have a "Kelly" who wears 55) in the role he played last year.
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Benjamin Grimm May 24 2016 11:30 AM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
I was curious, so I checked to see if Curtis Granderson has ever played first base in the majors or minors.
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Edgy MD May 24 2016 12:21 PM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
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Sniff!
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Lefty Specialist May 24 2016 12:58 PM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
Also, no Panic! At the Disco trades.
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seawolf17 May 24 2016 01:12 PM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
Wilmer.
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Ceetar May 24 2016 01:46 PM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
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I'm not sure I'd call what he's doing above-average.
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Frayed Knot May 24 2016 01:58 PM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
Wilmer's going to get the majority of the time, and that should start as soon as Friday.
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Centerfield May 24 2016 02:02 PM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
I don't know. To me, Dilson Herrera seems to be the pretty obvious choice.
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TransMonk May 24 2016 02:11 PM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
I gotta say...this thread has lowered any PANIC! impulses I have had in the past 18 hours.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket May 24 2016 02:14 PM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
I think Hererra is the future at second base but only when Walker leaves -- but that's by a trade, not by moving to first base.
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Edgy MD May 24 2016 02:15 PM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
In fairness, Duda and Murphy played plenty of first base throughout the minor leagues.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 24 2016 02:19 PM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
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Fair enough. But the metrics-- Fangraphs, BR, BP-- do seem to like him fine. Herrera's not our top hitting prospect by a longshot. He's our closest-to-ready non-pitching prospect, granted. And Walker does make the transition easier than Conforto, only because he's played, like 60 innings there. In his life. With a good portion of that coming in winter-league ball (which, defensively, is a little more than a little "fuck it," at least at first). Walker would be a subpar first baseman with both bat AND glove; it's not worth the effort, methinks, to train a guy in-season in order to weaken your squad at two positions simultaneously, JUST so you can get another look at Dilson a LITTLE earlier than you would, otherwise. (And Lord KNOWS I love me some Dilson.) The medium-term (read: pre-Smith) solution isn't yet on the roster. I vote with the pu-pu platter (led by Wilmer and AmishBeard McEwing), while Team Sandy hawks the wire/trade market.
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Centerfield May 24 2016 02:25 PM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
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Do you think it would hurt his value? I mean, it's not like anyone's going to think he forgot how to play second. I would think the ability to slide to 1B would be a plus. At least so long as the position change doesn't screw up his hitting. I was thinking about possible outside the organization options as well: 1. Kelly Johnson (someone else mentioned it) 2. That guy that used to be in Pittsburgh that hits HR's but strikes out a lot. Forgot his name and where he ended up. He was non-tendered. 3. Freddy Fucking Freeman 4. Adam LaRoche and his Son. What happens when a guy retires? Is he still under CWS control?
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Ceetar May 24 2016 02:33 PM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
A reason not to experiment at first might be for Wright's sake. He's always done best with an experienced guy there. I feel like if you go back and look at his defense when Murphy was playing there compared to say Delgado or Davis or even Duda, it's stark. With him maybe being a little stiff at times and messing around with this side-arm stuff, there's probably more value in a better glove guy there. Then again, that might be true regardless of David Wright, I'm not sure we properly quantify first base defense.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 24 2016 02:33 PM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
In a best-case scenario-- Duda returns directly after some rest/healing, and begins producing again-- a Kelly Johnson reunion leaves us with another lefty on the bench, and a multi-position infield-playing one, to boot (strengthening our one real weakness there).
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 24 2016 03:00 PM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
Apparently, Justin Morneau-- recovering from surgery-- is out there (if not in bat-swinging form until June).
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John Cougar Lunchbucket May 24 2016 03:15 PM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
Guys you could get whom you wouldn't want:
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smg58 May 24 2016 03:17 PM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
There's no easy solution. The original contingency plan at first was Wilmer Flores, but he's on the DL and was not hitting when he was healthy. I still have to think he'll get the primary opportunity come Friday, and hopefully he'll deliver with the bat and render the rest of the discussion moot. Asking Walker or Conforto or Wright to learn an entirely new position on the fly mid-season is risky. Of the three, Walker makes the most sense because of Dilson Herrera (although Herrera's bat has gone cold this past week). I also think you'll have much better luck getting an infielder to learn first base quickly rather than an outfielder.
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Edgy MD May 24 2016 03:24 PM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
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Votto is off to an horrific start, but his contract goes for another eight years. On the other hand, as time passes, it might start to seem more reasonable. Even if the Phils pick up 75%, Howard remains untouchable?
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Ceetar May 24 2016 03:27 PM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
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Like a slider when he's at the plate.
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Frayed Knot May 24 2016 03:28 PM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
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Pedro Alvarez. Finally signed in March to be the DH in Baltimore where he's playing part-time (100 ABs, mostly vs RHPs) and hitting .191 w/2 HRs
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Frayed Knot May 24 2016 03:33 PM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
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Eight years for a guy who will be 33 y/o before the first of those eight even starts makes him a no-go for me.
At .156/.226/.359 ... ummm, yeah.
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Edgy MD May 24 2016 03:38 PM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
Well, sure, if you're banking on that batting average being locked in. But you'd be fishing for more, using him as a part-timer and a pinch-hit threat when Duda gets back.
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seawolf17 May 24 2016 03:44 PM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
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That's the guy who caught my eye too. I don't know, though.
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Centerfield May 24 2016 03:48 PM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
The Dilson Herrera advocates seemed to have won the crowd, until the Wilmer Flores crew pulled ahead.
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Edgy MD May 24 2016 03:53 PM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
Other namey names we might hear over the coming weeks:
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Benjamin Grimm May 24 2016 04:04 PM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
I'm on Team Felicity.
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seawolf17 May 24 2016 04:28 PM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
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/googles Felicity Smoak /buys SMOAK Mets jersey just in case
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Ashie62 May 24 2016 04:31 PM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
Probably Wilmer,
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Edgy MD May 24 2016 04:47 PM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
Joel Sherman reporting that reps for James Loney (.333 / .368 / .417 // .784 for the Padres' AAA team in El Paso) are reaching out to the Mets. He apparently has an opt-out clause that allows for such tampering.
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Benjamin Grimm May 24 2016 05:03 PM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
Wait, so he's playing for a Padres farm team, but he can opt for free agency? The Mets can just sign him, without having to send any players or money to San Diego?
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TransMonk May 24 2016 05:05 PM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 24 2016 05:10 PM |
Yup. A lot of veteran minor league contracts contain opt-outs if they get interest from other orgs to be on a big league roster. Of course, San Diego could promote him to the big leagues to void the opt-out, but it doesn't seem like they have a need for him. It kinda makes me curious as to why San Diego even signed him to a mL deal, but whatevs.
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Edgy MD May 24 2016 05:07 PM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
Well, after Felicity Smoak, yeah.
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Frayed Knot May 24 2016 05:09 PM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE Edited 2 time(s), most recently on May 24 2016 05:17 PM |
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The opt-out probably states something along the lines of if he's not called up to the Padres big club by a certain date (June 1st?) then he can opt out of his deal and then, yes, he would in effect by a FA with no compensation due to SD Loney never turned out to be the player I though he was going to when he first showed up with the Dodgers. But as a stop-gap it's not a bad move [.291/.337/.393 from 2013-15 w/TB, 26 HRs over 1,500 ABs] and, if nothing else, he's a terrific fielder and still just turned 32 y/o a few weeks back. Coincidentally, James Loney is the target comp many use for Dom Smith: good glove, average-hitting 1B with less HR power than typical of that position.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket May 24 2016 05:15 PM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
He's doing better than our AAA first baseman, let's invite him over.
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Benjamin Grimm May 24 2016 05:17 PM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
Maybe we should post social media photos of his wife as an incentive!
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John Cougar Lunchbucket May 24 2016 05:22 PM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
James & Nadia
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cooby May 24 2016 05:26 PM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
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Yeah most guys would love that
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Edgy MD May 24 2016 05:32 PM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
I'll bet he had Terry Collins as a minor league manager at some point.
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Lefty Specialist May 24 2016 05:36 PM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
Hell, I'm sold on Loney. Good fielder, no long-term commitment. Won't hit much, but the added bonus of reduced Sugarpantalones errors seals the deal for me.
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seawolf17 May 24 2016 07:18 PM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
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Which I did when I signed Cesp---SHIT. COVER BLOWN. /deletes account
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metsmarathon May 24 2016 07:35 PM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
so, what about adam and drake laroche?
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Edgy MD May 24 2016 07:40 PM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
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Nick Swisher
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Centerfield May 24 2016 08:57 PM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
If you're getting Yankees, can we have Beltran back? I bet he could learn to play 1st.
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Ceetar May 24 2016 09:05 PM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
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he did play 5 innings there back in 2014, so we're set.
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Nymr83 May 25 2016 03:27 AM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
I was firmly against the panic trade (or the Joe Panik trade) at first, but now I want me some Loney. James can stay in SD, just have his wife sit behind the dugout for Mets games.
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Frayed Knot May 25 2016 03:41 AM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
Loney's not even a panic move. 'Panic' to me would mean dealing some potentially valuable future piece for an outsider because you think the team is going to fall apart without imported help.
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Edgy MD May 25 2016 04:45 AM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
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Joel Sherman says his agents have made plans to meet with the Mets and OHMYGOD!! SOMANYCHICKENS!!!
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MFS62 May 25 2016 12:18 PM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
Wilmer started at first base for Binghamton last night and went 2-3.
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RealityChuck May 25 2016 12:51 PM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
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My thoughts exactly. It only costs the major league minimum salary to get him. He's no Duda, but he's a strong replacement.
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Benjamin Grimm May 25 2016 12:53 PM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
Yeah, I don't really see any downside to Loney at this point. I know the official word is that it will be Wilmer, but they can't say it will be Loney because he's still a Padre.
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Frayed Knot May 25 2016 01:02 PM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
And I still think that Wilmer will get a sizable portion of the 1B time.
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Centerfield May 25 2016 01:57 PM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
I am still team Dilson.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 25 2016 05:10 PM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
I like-- well, "like" might be strong-- the Loney backup plan, in a belt-and-suspenders way. But really, I think I want to give Wilmer another extended audition here. True, he hasn't been the bat one would have hoped for out of a bat-first infielder so far, but that's so far. He's trended in the right direction, approach-wise and results-wise, AND HE'S 23. He's still not necessarily what he will be, you know?
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Edgy MD May 25 2016 06:56 PM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
Wrinkle in the plan: Pads sat Will Myers last night with a forearm strain. They may end up calling up Loney themselves.
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Frayed Knot May 25 2016 07:03 PM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
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Too many sliders?
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Edgy MD May 28 2016 07:09 PM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
No transaction announced by the team, but The Daily News (among others) is reporting that this is a done deal. Loney himself just tweeted out, "I❤️NY."
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Mets Guy in Michigan May 28 2016 07:14 PM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
Mets.official posted something on Instagram, too!
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Zvon May 28 2016 07:21 PM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
Wow. I really didn't expect them to make a move like this.
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Edgy MD May 28 2016 07:37 PM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
Hardly any reason not to do it.
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RealityChuck May 28 2016 07:47 PM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
Sucks to be Ty Kelly right now.
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Lefty Specialist May 28 2016 08:04 PM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
Yeah, someone's getting voted off the island. Please be Eric Campbell.
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Zvon May 28 2016 08:07 PM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
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Ten bucks it's Reynolds.
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Frayed Knot May 28 2016 09:18 PM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
I'd keep Reynolds and exchange Campbell & Kelly for Loney & Flores. Which order that happens in is pretty much irrelevant.
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Zvon May 28 2016 09:46 PM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
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I agree 100%. But Reynolds always seems to get the short stick. Always liked Looney. When it was just talk in the wind my bro asked what do the Padres get? and I said a bag of balls. I didn't want him to cost us any flesh. And to me the Mets $$ is just a bag of balls so I think we did real good here.
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Lefty Specialist May 28 2016 09:51 PM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
So, does this count as:
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Ashie62 May 28 2016 10:24 PM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
Rubin says we got Loney and no further info.
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Centerfield May 31 2016 01:38 PM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 31 2016 03:30 PM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
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How do you feel about slightly more westerly time zones, bud?
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Vic Sage May 31 2016 04:17 PM Re: POLL: 1ST BASE |
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Yeah, right? Walker played 3b when he came up with Pitt and I think he'd be fine there while David is out, particularly since his lack of range would be less of a factor there than it is at 2b. Meanwhile, we get Herrera into the lineup, rather than Kelly or (gulp!) Campbell, and let Loney platoon with Flores at 1b. I think an infield of Walker - Cabrera - Hererra - Flores/Loney would give us the best combo of offense and defense, and keep Campbell off the field. It would also give us another option for the top of the order, where Grandy is hurting us on a daily basis.
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