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IGT 7/17/16: NYM@PHI -- We're Rubber, They're Glue

G-Fafif Jul 16 2016 10:52 PM

Rubber game. Use protection. Reluctant would-be All-Star Jacob deGrom opposes some fucking annoying Phillie. We're being told the fucking annoying Phillie is Zach Eflin. What a fucking annoying Phillie.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 17 2016 05:51 AM Re: IGT 7/17/16: NYM@PHI -- We're Rubber, They're Glue

I first read "Eflin" as "Elfin" which would be a much more interesting name, because then he'd have pointed ears and would live in a tree and make cookies.

Lefty Specialist Jul 17 2016 08:50 AM Re: IGT 7/17/16: NYM@PHI -- We're Rubber, They're Glue

Just squash these annoying little bastards already.

d'Kong76 Jul 17 2016 10:35 AM Re: IGT 7/17/16: NYM@PHI -- We're Rubber, They're Glue

No Yo for us... Reyes 3B Cabrera SS Granderson RF Walker 2B Loney 1B d’Arnaud C Nimmo LF Lagares CF Verrett P

Benjamin Grimm Jul 17 2016 10:42 AM Re: IGT 7/17/16: NYM@PHI -- We're Rubber, They're Glue

It's nice how Terry has given Wilmer Flores every opportunity to get over his hot streak by not playing.

Zvon Jul 17 2016 10:48 AM Re: IGT 7/17/16: NYM@PHI -- We're Rubber, They're Glue

Benjamin Grimm wrote: It's nice how Terry has given Wilmer Flores every opportunity to get over his hot streak by not playing. This is kinda strange & surprising. TC usually plays the hot hand.

d'Kong76 Jul 17 2016 11:31 AM Re: IGT 7/17/16: NYM@PHI -- We're Rubber, They're Glue

Herrera CF Bourjos RF Asche LF Franco 3B Howard 1B Rupp C Galvis SS Hernandez 2B Elfin P

d'Kong76 Jul 17 2016 11:33 AM Re: IGT 7/17/16: NYM@PHI -- We're Rubber, They're Glue

Zvon wrote: Benjamin Grimm wrote: It's nice how Terry has given Wilmer Flores every opportunity to get over his hot streak by not playing. This is kinda strange & surprising. TC usually plays the hot hand. Strange, surprising, and superaggravating.

G-Fafif Jul 17 2016 12:30 PM Re: IGT 7/17/16: NYM@PHI -- We're Rubber, They're Glue

Wilmer is to baseball what Alfalfa was to football: Ya gotta save him for when it's really important.

Mets Guy in Michigan Jul 17 2016 01:17 PM Re: IGT 7/17/16: NYM@PHI -- We're Rubber, They're Glue

Grander-boom puts Mets up 2-0.

Frayed Knot Jul 17 2016 01:18 PM Re: IGT 7/17/16: NYM@PHI -- We're Rubber, They're Glue

Curtis Soloderson strikes again!

Edgy MD Jul 17 2016 01:44 PM Re: IGT 7/17/16: NYM@PHI -- We're Rubber, They're Glue

The Mets are two-out RBI kings. Scoring a run after having two outs, the bases empty, and the pitcher up is found money. And now they have two on for Céspedes, so they may not be done yet.

Edgy MD Jul 17 2016 01:47 PM Re: IGT 7/17/16: NYM@PHI -- We're Rubber, They're Glue

That double steal may just take the bat out of Céspedes' hands. OE: Yup.

Edgy MD Jul 17 2016 01:57 PM Re: IGT 7/17/16: NYM@PHI -- We're Rubber, They're Glue

deGrom can be reasonably said to be rolling.

Edgy MD Jul 17 2016 02:17 PM Re: IGT 7/17/16: NYM@PHI -- We're Rubber, They're Glue

So when did deGrom get the hair bobbed? 'Cuz it's working for him.

Lefty Specialist Jul 17 2016 02:18 PM Re: IGT 7/17/16: NYM@PHI -- We're Rubber, They're Glue

You know, it's not even worth the effort of bunting a runner into scoring position with this team.

Edgy MD Jul 17 2016 02:23 PM Re: IGT 7/17/16: NYM@PHI -- We're Rubber, They're Glue

No way. They're two-out warriors. That said, BiFL. Meanwhile Cody Asche damn near hit a pop-up that turned into a homer.

Edgy MD Jul 17 2016 02:27 PM Re: IGT 7/17/16: NYM@PHI -- We're Rubber, They're Glue

Good time to get Céspy out of the game.

Edgy MD Jul 17 2016 02:32 PM Re: IGT 7/17/16: NYM@PHI -- We're Rubber, They're Glue

There's some more two-out hitting. All five runs have come with two outs, some after there was two out and none on.

Edgy MD Jul 17 2016 02:52 PM Re: IGT 7/17/16: NYM@PHI -- We're Rubber, They're Glue

Welcome to the ninth inning, Jacob deGrom.

Edgy MD Jul 17 2016 02:59 PM Re: IGT 7/17/16: NYM@PHI -- We're Rubber, They're Glue

You are now entering Complete Gamesville, Population 0.

themetfairy Jul 17 2016 03:00 PM Re: IGT 7/17/16: NYM@PHI -- We're Rubber, They're Glue

Edgy MD Jul 17 2016 03:00 PM Re: IGT 7/17/16: NYM@PHI -- We're Rubber, They're Glue

Brilliant.

Zvon Jul 17 2016 03:06 PM Re: IGT 7/17/16: NYM@PHI -- We're Rubber, They're Glue

What a fantastic and much needed outing by the deGrominator.

Lefty Specialist Jul 17 2016 03:50 PM Re: IGT 7/17/16: NYM@PHI -- We're Rubber, They're Glue

I like games where our pitchers make it look easy. He never broke a (figurative) sweat the whole afternoon.

Ashie62 Jul 17 2016 04:16 PM Re: IGT 7/17/16: NYM@PHI -- We're Rubber, They're Glue

Pleasant Valley Sunday.

Zvon Jul 17 2016 06:52 PM Re: IGT 7/17/16: NYM@PHI -- We're Rubber, They're Glue

Nats lose to Pitt in 18 innings, 2-1 (Marte HR).

cooby Jul 17 2016 07:17 PM Re: IGT 7/17/16: NYM@PHI -- We're Rubber, They're Glue

Yay, Kay

Benjamin Grimm Jul 17 2016 07:31 PM Re: IGT 7/17/16: NYM@PHI -- We're Rubber, They're Glue

I love complete game shutouts. I wish they weren't as rare as they are, but that's probably what makes them special. The Mets have never had a season in which they didn't have at least one CG/ShO, but they only had one in each of the last two years. (Zack Wheeler in 2014 and Bartolo Colon in 2015.) http://ultimatemets.com/yrleaders.php?cattype=p#sho

Fman99 Jul 17 2016 08:41 PM Re: IGT 7/17/16: NYM@PHI -- We're Rubber, They're Glue

Missed 100% of this game but glad to see the end results.

d'Kong76 Jul 17 2016 08:51 PM Re: IGT 7/17/16: NYM@PHI -- We're Rubber, They're Glue

I didn't see much either, but I had the fun of telling my buddy's daughter's boyfriend in a Phillie cap the Yahoo phone updates.

batmagadanleadoff Jul 17 2016 08:54 PM Re: IGT 7/17/16: NYM@PHI -- We're Rubber, They're Glue

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I love complete game shutouts. I wish they weren't as rare as they are, but that's probably what makes them special. The Mets have never had a season in which they didn't have at least one CG/ShO, but they only had one in each of the last two years. (Zack Wheeler in 2014 and Bartolo Colon in 2015.) http://ultimatemets.com/yrleaders.php?cattype=p#sho Wow! Seaver didn't throw a CG/SHO until 1971, his 5th season. Also, the Mets never had a season in which four different pitchers threw CG/SHO's.

Zvon Jul 17 2016 09:07 PM Re: IGT 7/17/16: NYM@PHI -- We're Rubber, They're Glue

batmagadanleadoff wrote: I love complete game shutouts. I wish they weren't as rare as they are, but that's probably what makes them special. The Mets have never had a season in which they didn't have at least one CG/ShO, but they only had one in each of the last two years. (Zack Wheeler in 2014 and Bartolo Colon in 2015.) http://ultimatemets.com/yrleaders.php?cattype=p#sho Wow! Seaver didn't throw a CG/SHO until 1971, his 5th season. Also, the Mets never had a season in which four different pitchers threw CG/SHO's. Wow. I would have thought he had a few under his belt by then. What about the almost no-no vs. the Cubs in '69?

batmagadanleadoff Jul 17 2016 09:28 PM Re: IGT 7/17/16: NYM@PHI -- We're Rubber, They're Glue Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 17 2016 09:30 PM

Zvon wrote: Wow. I would have thought he had a few under his belt by then. What about the almost no-no vs. the Cubs in '69? Yeah. What about that game, Grimm? http://ultimatemets.com/gamedetail.php?gameno=1265

batmagadanleadoff Jul 17 2016 09:30 PM Re: IGT 7/17/16: NYM@PHI -- We're Rubber, They're Glue

Or this one. http://ultimatemets.com/gamedetail.php?gameno=823 From the days when the walls were white.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 17 2016 09:32 PM Re: IGT 7/17/16: NYM@PHI -- We're Rubber, They're Glue

He didn't lead the team in shutouts until 1971. But he had 2 in 1967, 5 in 1968, 5 in 1969, and 2 in 1970. That page doesn't list all shutouts. It lists who led the team in each season.

batmagadanleadoff Jul 17 2016 09:34 PM Re: IGT 7/17/16: NYM@PHI -- We're Rubber, They're Glue

Benjamin Grimm wrote: He didn't lead the team in shutouts until 1971. But he had 2 in 1967, 5 in 1968, 5 in 1969, and 2 in 1970. That page doesn't list all shutouts. It lists who led the team in each season. Yeah. I just figgered that out as you were probably explaining to me. Thanks.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 17 2016 10:30 PM Re: IGT 7/17/16: NYM@PHI -- We're Rubber, They're Glue

WE were at the game thanks to Wifey Buckets' folks. Easily as many Mets fans as Phillies fans. Seats in the sun in LF, brutal. Had a good feeling deGrom would be good, only a matter of whether we'd score a few. Free Phanantic beach towel! Took Lunchpail over to see Bull's BBQ and explained who Luzinski was: "Big fat guy, awful outfeilder, hit a lot of home runs." Realized moments later he was sitting right next to me when I said that but I'm sure he heard worse.

Edgy MD Jul 17 2016 10:38 PM Re: IGT 7/17/16: NYM@PHI -- We're Rubber, They're Glue

Best description of Greg Luzinski: "Such a bad outfielder that Lonnie Smith was used as his defensive replacement." And they won the World Series that way!

Benjamin Grimm Jul 18 2016 06:59 AM Re: IGT 7/17/16: NYM@PHI -- We're Rubber, They're Glue

Cast your vote!

Edgy MD Jul 18 2016 11:27 AM Re: IGT 7/17/16: NYM@PHI -- We're Rubber, They're Glue

Cool stats from ESPN.com: [list=1:1yibimhd][*:1yibimhd]Most games allowing zero runs by a starting pitcher in first 68 starts: 1. Jose Fernandez: 18 T2. Jacob deGrom: 16 T2. Dwight Gooden: 16 (@NYMStats) [/*:m:1yibimhd] [*:1yibimhd] deGrom had a game score of 97, tied for the fifth highest game score in franchise history. (@NYMStats) [/*:m:1yibimhd] [*:1yibimhd]Jacob deGrom’s 97 game score ties him for the second-best nine-inning game in Mets history. Only Cone’s 19-strikeout game was higher (99). (@AmazinAvenue) [/*:m:1yibimhd] [*:1yibimhd]Jacob deGrom becomes the first Met to pitch a complete game and allow one hit or fewer since R.A. Dickey on June 18, 2012. (@NYMStats) [/*:m:1yibimhd] [*:1yibimhd]Jacob deGrom: 3rd Mets pitcher to throw a 1-hit shutout in Philadelphia, joining Tom Seaver (1970) and Terry Leach (1982- 10 innings) (@ESPNStatsInfo)[/*:m:1yibimhd][/list:o:1yibimhd] Tough luck to have a one-hitter where the pitcher gets the only hit. deGrom had half a chance of snaring it, too.

Edgy MD Jul 18 2016 11:32 AM Re: IGT 7/17/16: NYM@PHI -- We're Rubber, They're Glue

To look at this objectively, however, I hesitate to place this so high. I didn't know there were multiple ways to calculate Game Scores, but Baseball-Reference gives him a 91 and not a 97. I'm not sure how or why his 9-inning/0-run/1-hit/1-walk/7-strikeout performance should outrank Tom Seaver's 9-inning/0-run/1-hit/0-walk/11-strikeout performance of July 9, 1969, for instance.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 18 2016 11:39 AM Re: IGT 7/17/16: NYM@PHI -- We're Rubber, They're Glue

I don't know shit about Game Scores neither. Could they be era-adjusted?

dinosaur jesus Jul 18 2016 01:02 PM Re: IGT 7/17/16: NYM@PHI -- We're Rubber, They're Glue

Baseball Reference uses Bill James's original game score calculation. There's a modified formula used by FanGraphs and mlb.com. DeGrom's game score was 91 by the first formula, 97 by the second. Cone's 19-strikeout game was 99 or 105. Seaver's one-hitter was 96 or 103. Leach's one-hitter was 91 or 93.

Frayed Knot Jul 18 2016 01:07 PM Re: IGT 7/17/16: NYM@PHI -- We're Rubber, They're Glue

If game scores aren't era-adjusted, particularly say for strikeouts, then it seems to me it would throw off at least part of its intended meaning. 10 Ks in a game meant a helluva lot more years ago than it does today.

dinosaur jesus Jul 18 2016 01:28 PM Re: IGT 7/17/16: NYM@PHI -- We're Rubber, They're Glue

The thing about game scores is, they were never meant to measure how well someone pitched, but how impressive he was. A shutout's a shutout; if you don't allow any runs, it doesn't matter if you struck out 20 and allowed 1 hit, or allowed 12 hits and didn't strike out anybody. But the first game is definitely more impressive than the second. It's definitely biased in favor of more recent pitchers, as far as the highest individual game scores. But overall it's actually biased the other way, since pitcher's used to pitch more innings.

Zvon Jul 18 2016 02:06 PM Re: IGT 7/17/16: NYM@PHI -- We're Rubber, They're Glue

Game highlight card :)

Edgy MD Jul 18 2016 02:14 PM Re: IGT 7/17/16: NYM@PHI -- We're Rubber, They're Glue

dinosaur jesus wrote: The thing about game scores is, they were never meant to measure how well someone pitched, but how impressive he was. A shutout's a shutout; if you don't allow any runs, it doesn't matter if you struck out 20 and allowed 1 hit, or allowed 12 hits and didn't strike out anybody. But the first game is definitely more impressive than the second. It's definitely biased in favor of more recent pitchers, as far as the highest individual game scores. But overall it's actually biased the other way, since pitcher's used to pitch more innings. So deGrom's game is better (game score-wise) than Seaver's because a complete game is more impressive in 2016 than in 1969?

Frayed Knot Jul 18 2016 02:19 PM Re: IGT 7/17/16: NYM@PHI -- We're Rubber, They're Glue

But if, just to pick an example, two 15-K/one-hit/no-walk complete game shutouts were to automatically receive the same score even if pitched in very different eras then Game Score is distorting things somewhat in a similar way to say judging Jorge Posada the better offensive hitter as compared to Johnny Bench based on owning a 31 points higher lifetime OPS would be without also taking into account that Posada's entire career fell during the boom era 90s-2000s while Bench debuted in 1968. And indeed the era-compensating [u:ijel3sa2]OPS+[/u:ijel3sa2] shows Bench to be some 5% better (126 to 121).

dinosaur jesus Jul 18 2016 02:49 PM Re: IGT 7/17/16: NYM@PHI -- We're Rubber, They're Glue

Edgy MD wrote: dinosaur jesus wrote: The thing about game scores is, they were never meant to measure how well someone pitched, but how impressive he was. A shutout's a shutout; if you don't allow any runs, it doesn't matter if you struck out 20 and allowed 1 hit, or allowed 12 hits and didn't strike out anybody. But the first game is definitely more impressive than the second. It's definitely biased in favor of more recent pitchers, as far as the highest individual game scores. But overall it's actually biased the other way, since pitcher's used to pitch more innings. So deGrom's game is better (game score-wise) than Seaver's because a complete game is more impressive in 2016 than in 1969? It isn't better score-wise. DeGrom's game score is 91 or 97, depending which calculation you use, and Seaver's is 96 or 103. AmazinAvenue got confused by the two ways of calculating game score. DeGrom's isn't even close to the second-best Mets nine-inning game score ever. It's not even in the top 10, maybe even the top 20. Seaver alone had seven games higher than that. In 1984, Gooden had two in a row. In 2012, so did Dickey. Two starts before his record 99, Cone had a 95. Shawn Estes, for Christ's sake, had a 92 one time.

Edgy MD Jul 18 2016 02:51 PM Re: IGT 7/17/16: NYM@PHI -- We're Rubber, They're Glue

Thanks. THAT'S what I was trying to clarify.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 12 2016 08:59 AM Re: IGT 7/17/16: NYM@PHI -- We're Rubber, They're Glue