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IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

G-Fafif Jul 28 2016 05:30 AM

Get the Prince of Lightness on this ASAP: The Mets have a day game, and nobody's ever been better in day games than Jacob deGrom, who carries a 934-2 record in 1 o'clock starts into this assignment against the Rockies this afternoon. Or some insane number like that. Southpaw Tyler Anderson, who does not appear in a GEICO commercial every 15 minutes, goes for the Rox. The Mets win only the odd games (of course they do), so they're a lock.

G-Fafif Jul 28 2016 09:48 AM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 28 2016 10:03 AM

Lagares CF Granderson RF Flores 3B Walker 2B Cabrera SS Loney 1B Rivera C De Aza LF de Grom RHP

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 28 2016 09:50 AM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

Pretty radical shift with two second basemen! Genius, Terry.

SteveJRogers Jul 28 2016 09:52 AM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

Odd non Wrigley day game at the start of the series.

Ceetar Jul 28 2016 09:55 AM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

SteveJRogers wrote: Odd non Wrigley day game at the start of the series. must be a camp day promotion thing that they wanted Thursday instead of yesterday. Surprised it's not at 12.

d'Kong76 Jul 28 2016 10:04 AM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 28 2016 10:05 AM

Blackmon CF LeMahieu 2B Arenado 3B Gonzalez RF Story SS Dahl LF Descalso 1B Wolters C Anderson P

G-Fafif Jul 28 2016 10:05 AM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Pretty radical shift with two second basemen! Genius, Terry. Cliff Floydian slip there. I keep wondering why Wilmer doesn't get a few starts over there (or did before Neil broke out of his two-month slump and will now never not get three hits in any game he plays).

Edgy MD Jul 28 2016 10:19 AM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

Colorado is playing good ball, but they have a lot of ground to make up. This can be the series that pushes them to decide what they are. Is Reyes possibly available as a pinch runner?

Ashie62 Jul 28 2016 10:20 AM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

I wonder why Wilmer doesn't get to play the same position everyday.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 28 2016 10:39 AM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

Cespedes out with a sore quad again. Playing with 23 guys today.

Edgy MD Jul 28 2016 10:48 AM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

He looked like a distinctly compromised individual last night. A healthy and nimble leftfielder might have caught that foul pop in the ninth and the Mets might have emerged victorious.

Edgy MD Jul 28 2016 11:51 AM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

The #15 ranked overal starter vs. 139th ranked. Go Mets.

Lefty Specialist Jul 28 2016 12:57 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

Always thought it was hard to pitch in overalls. Hey- 1-0 Metsies!

Mets Guy in Michigan Jul 28 2016 12:59 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

De Aza. Sigh. Why is he taking at-bats away form Conforto? deGrom is up there getting better hacks that De Aza just did.

Edgy MD Jul 28 2016 01:07 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

Well, Shme Aza's gone .333 / .484 / .500 // .984 in July, so I imagine Terry is looking for anybody who is hot. The other one who you might want to insert Conforto for is Lagares, starting against the righty.

d'Kong76 Jul 28 2016 01:19 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

Wilmer!! Run. Everything. Out.

Mets Guy in Michigan Jul 28 2016 01:26 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

So many wasted opportunities. Do we lead the league in LOB?

Edgy MD Jul 28 2016 01:30 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

Feel like we should be ahead 9-0. It goes to show you how far planning gets you when you consider that our offense is bargain basement afterthought James Loney being driven in by bargain basement afterthought René Rivera.

Frayed Knot Jul 28 2016 01:31 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 28 2016 01:33 PM

So many wasted opportunities. Do we lead the league in LOB? Probably not* because we don't get all that many guys on in the first place. But I'm sure we lead in the percentage of runners left on which is even worse. Mets had 35 PAs w/RiSP in the Cardinal series while the Cards had 18, yet runs scored in the three games were exactly the same and we lost twice, both by one run. Not a coincidence. * oe: Mets are right about league average

Mets Guy in Michigan Jul 28 2016 01:33 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

So many wasted opportunities. Do we lead the league in LOB? Probably not* because we don't get all that many guys on in the first place. But I'm sure we lead in the percentage of runners left on which is even worse. Mets had 35 PAs w/RiSP in the Cardinal series while the Cards had 18, yet runs scored in the three games were exactly the same and when lost twice, both by one run. Not a coincidence. * oe: Mets are right about league average Thanks for finding that!

Mets Guy in Michigan Jul 28 2016 01:35 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

I like vest jerseys, but I don't like the Rockies' vests. Whenever I see them, they're wearing the black t-shirts under the black vests. And the piping around the arm holes -- just doesn't look right.

Zvon Jul 28 2016 01:36 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

HEY YOU BUMS! SCORE SOME RUNS! Give deGrom some support you knuckleheads.

Frayed Knot Jul 28 2016 01:38 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

To further the point, tops in the NL at LOBs are the Marlins, who put a lot of guys on but struggle to score them because they hit few HRs except for Stanton, and the Cubs who are near the top in runs scored despite their high-LOBster quotient as a function of putting so much traffic out there in the first place.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 28 2016 01:38 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

This guy has Johnny Monell in his poop.

Frayed Knot Jul 28 2016 01:38 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

Rene Rivera: Extra Base Hitting Machine

Edgy MD Jul 28 2016 01:41 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: This guy has Johnny Monell in his poop. Picks bits of Nevin Ashley from his teeth.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 28 2016 01:46 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

Hey guys the Mets wasted a leadoff double

Frayed Knot Jul 28 2016 01:50 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

And halfway through this game the Mets are a whopping 1-for-5 w/RiSP (which actually raises their avg) and, as has been happening a lot lately, that one didn't even score a run. John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Hey guys the Mets wasted a leadoff double Here's the stat I want to see: Pct of times we've scored when the leadoff guy gets on. Digging around the interwebs I've found that league norms are around 35-40%. I have no idea what the '16 NYM pcts are but it seems like it's around 10%

Mets Guy in Michigan Jul 28 2016 01:56 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

On the bright side, deGrom is filthy today. At about 90 pitches through six innings, so he's probably going to need some help from the pen. Insurance runs, please!

d'Kong76 Jul 28 2016 01:59 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

This lack of scoring is hard to watch, and often Results in Squandered Pitching.

Edgy MD Jul 28 2016 02:00 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

Wilmer's got his knock in. And good news, there's one out, so it's not one of those cursed leadoff baserunners.

Mets Guy in Michigan Jul 28 2016 02:06 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

Brutal.

Edgy MD Jul 28 2016 02:10 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

This inning is being brought to you by the wheels and glove of Juan Lagares.

Frayed Knot Jul 28 2016 02:13 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

1-for-6 now w/RiSP which brings things to 4 for their last 39 over the last 3-1/2 games. If they were to just hit their normal (near league worst) BA of .238 in those situations it would translate those 4 hits into between 9 and 10. Think those extra 5-6 hits wouldn't make a difference when the last four games, three of which are/were one run games (and the other was two runs)? P.S. in case you hadn't noticed, I'm really started to obsess over this

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 28 2016 02:15 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

De Aza: Best hitter on the team, other than Rene Rivera

Frayed Knot Jul 28 2016 02:15 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

You can't stop Rene Rivera, one can only hope to contain him.

Edgy MD Jul 28 2016 02:15 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

¡¡¡DE AZA PODER!!!

Mets Guy in Michigan Jul 28 2016 02:16 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

I take back most of what I said earlier about DeAza.

Edgy MD Jul 28 2016 02:17 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

Shémspedes, do it for the kids.

Edgy MD Jul 28 2016 02:17 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

Send Reyes in to run for Yoenis.

Frayed Knot Jul 28 2016 02:18 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

Hate to yank deG but it's the right move by Terry to PH for him and specifically to PH Cespedes. By the same token it's the right move by Walt Weiss to IW him. And I like the move to PR with Matz!!

Lefty Specialist Jul 28 2016 02:19 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

So was he a decoy because they knew he'd get the IBB?

Frayed Knot Jul 28 2016 02:21 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

Lefty Specialist wrote: So was he a decoy because they knew he'd get the IBB? Yes and no. If they IW him then he gets to rest his leg, and if they don't then he's in the best PH situation the Mets are likely to get this afternoon So it's a kind of a lower-case win-win.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 28 2016 02:22 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

Force play at home. Of course!

bmfc1 Jul 28 2016 02:23 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 28 2016 02:24 PM

I'm not sure it's the right move but I don't have my reflexive "FIRE TERRY!" comment so it's debatable. deGrom is dealing. Familia is not available (so you need the runs but the bullpen is "shorter") Lagares is out of the game so you weaken the defense. and it's Kelly Johnson. Written before Johnson grounds out.

Frayed Knot Jul 28 2016 02:23 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

Not sure I loved PH-ing Johnson for Lagares - even before he grounded out.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 28 2016 02:26 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

Grandy wiffs

Edgy MD Jul 28 2016 02:26 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

Glub.

Lefty Specialist Jul 28 2016 02:27 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

Urkl. This goddamn team.

Frayed Knot Jul 28 2016 02:27 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

I've seen this movie before and I don't like how it ends.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 28 2016 02:28 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

BOOOOoooOoooOoooooOoOooooOoOOOOOoOooooOo

bmfc1 Jul 28 2016 02:28 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

So Terry took out deGrom and weakened the defense for nothing.

Frayed Knot Jul 28 2016 02:29 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 28 2016 02:45 PM

This isn't an offense, it's a fucking Russian novel.

Mets Guy in Michigan Jul 28 2016 02:29 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

Boo. Needed at least a run from that situation.

Edgy MD Jul 28 2016 02:29 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

Well, we may not have scored, but at least we got deGrom, Céspedes, and Lagares out of the game. Am I right, folks? Folks?

Lefty Specialist Jul 28 2016 02:30 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

Sometimes, scoring runs for this team seems as difficult as passing a kidney stone.

d'Kong76 Jul 28 2016 02:31 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

In the 8th chapter, someone will get hurt.

Frayed Knot Jul 28 2016 02:33 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

1 for 9 today -- IF 1B (no RBI) FO, K, GO, K, IF PO, GO, K, FO, so only 2 balls out of the infield and both of them shallow flies w/2 outs -- and 5 for the last 42

Edgy MD Jul 28 2016 02:36 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

bmfc1 wrote: So Terry took out deGrom and weakened the defense for nothing. Well, he meant to do it for something. The Mets just didn't provide it.

Edgy MD Jul 28 2016 02:36 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

Rivera is our salvation today.

bmfc1 Jul 28 2016 02:37 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

A few boos for Terry.

Edgy MD Jul 28 2016 02:38 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

Going to Blevins to face Gonzalez is fine, but that leaves us with only Bastardo if they want to go to a lefty to face Dahl in the ninth. Unless you want to let Blevins go after Story in between.

bmfc1 Jul 28 2016 02:38 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

Edgy MD wrote: bmfc1 wrote: So Terry took out deGrom and weakened the defense for nothing. Well, he meant to do it for something. The Mets just didn't provide it. Which he could (should?, debatable) have anticipated given their hitting track record.

Mets Guy in Michigan Jul 28 2016 02:39 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

Understand that. With Reed out and Blevins typically a short-timer, is he bringing Familia in for the ninth? Not available, right?

Edgy MD Jul 28 2016 02:40 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

bmfc1 wrote: bmfc1 wrote: So Terry took out deGrom and weakened the defense for nothing. Well, he meant to do it for something. The Mets just didn't provide it. Which he could (should?, debatable) have anticipated given their hitting track record. I certainly would have been against lifting Lagares.

Lefty Specialist Jul 28 2016 02:40 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

Well dammit, a major-league baseball team should be able to put up at least one run in a bases-loaded, no-out situation.

Edgy MD Jul 28 2016 02:41 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

Thank Heavens for Blevins!

Zvon Jul 28 2016 02:45 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

Mets Guy in Michigan wrote: Boo. Needed at least a run from that situation. John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: BOOOOoooOoooOoooooOoOooooOoOOOOOoOooooOo Lefty Specialist wrote: Well dammit, a major-league baseball team should be able to put up at least one run in a bases-loaded, no-out situation. I'm not one to boo my team, but after that inning I must join you. BOOOOooooOOOoooOO! I will cheer our pitching insanely if we can keep things in check.

Frayed Knot Jul 28 2016 02:45 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

DAMMIT, another leadoff man on!! This inning is fucked.

bmfc1 Jul 28 2016 02:48 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

Edgy MD wrote: Edgy MD wrote: So Terry took out deGrom and weakened the defense for nothing. Well, he meant to do it for something. The Mets just didn't provide it. Which he could (should?, debatable) have anticipated given their hitting track record. I certainly would have been against lifting Lagares. Agreed. That was a bad move and it puts an infielder in the outfield.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 28 2016 02:50 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

Familia coming in, 1-0. Hoo boy

Zvon Jul 28 2016 02:51 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

Fammy is up. Hmmph. I like the "get right back out there" thing but I dunno about it this time. From Juerys post game interviews last night, he will welcome this. But I dunno... OE: ^My Benitez Syndrome kicking in.

Edgy MD Jul 28 2016 02:52 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

Zvon wrote: Fammy is up. Hmmph. I like the "get right back out there" thing but I dunno about it this time. From Juerys post game interviews last night, he will welcome this. But I dunno... OE: ^My Benitez Syndrome kicking in. Will his arm welcome it?

d'Kong76 Jul 28 2016 02:52 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

Hold onto your capz boyz and girlz!

Mets Guy in Michigan Jul 28 2016 02:55 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

Lead off batter .... on.

Zvon Jul 28 2016 02:56 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

Fammy is up. Hmmph. I like the "get right back out there" thing but I dunno about it this time. From Juerys post game interviews last night, he will welcome this. But I dunno... OE: ^My Benitez Syndrome kicking in. Will his arm welcome it? Lead off single, so....I dunno. I've come to the realization that you never really get cured of Benitez Syndrome. It's always there buried inside your soul.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 28 2016 02:57 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

stolen base. Cabrera getting a day off with a spike injury probably couldn't hurt

Mets Guy in Michigan Jul 28 2016 02:57 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

Of course he stole second base. man on second, no outs ... what could go wrong?

bmfc1 Jul 28 2016 02:58 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

What happened to Familia getting a day off? Was Terry talked into changing his mind by another pitcher?

Mets Guy in Michigan Jul 28 2016 03:03 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

Killing me. Bases loaded, no outs.

Zvon Jul 28 2016 03:04 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

bmfc1 wrote: What happened to Familia getting a day off? Was Terry talked into changing his mind by another pitcher? I heard this earlier and I was okay with it for all the obvious reasons. OMG. Rivera had the best intentions there. Being that the ball was so close and the guy was just getting out of the box I would have jumped on that and thrown to 1st. Hard one to call though.

Zvon Jul 28 2016 03:06 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

Get out of this Juerys, there's another movie poster in it for you. BIG K!!!!!!!!!!!!! 1 0ut

Mets Guy in Michigan Jul 28 2016 03:07 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

Brutal. Jacob deGrom, you've been screwed out of a win once again.

Zvon Jul 28 2016 03:08 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

Loney, solid at first, except for this all important grounder. 1-1

Mets Guy in Michigan Jul 28 2016 03:10 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

BRUTAL!!!!!!!

Mets Guy in Michigan Jul 28 2016 03:12 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

Robles should have started the inning.

Frayed Knot Jul 28 2016 03:12 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

What's next, a balked-in run? This entire inning has been seeing eye singles, walks, bunt singles, broken bat infield-single/error, SBs, WPs

Zvon Jul 28 2016 03:12 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

This would be the major thing I would have hoped to avoid. Familia blowing 2 in a row. I can only hope that Mets fans give Familia a lot of rope. Don't start turning on him already. 2-1, not NY.

bmfc1 Jul 28 2016 03:13 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

Terry over-managed the shit out of this game and none of his decisions worked out. Even with removing deGrom, he could have gone with Robles/Blevins in the 8th and Reed in the 9th but no. And now Yo isn't available to PH in the 9th.

Zvon Jul 28 2016 03:21 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

bmfc1 wrote: Terry over-managed the shit out of this game and none of his decisions worked out. Even with removing deGrom, he could have gone with Robles/Blevins in the 8th and Reed in the 9th but no. And now Yo isn't available to PH in the 9th. That's how I had it laid out. Was he saving Robles for this?

Lefty Specialist Jul 28 2016 03:22 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

So does Familia just go sideways every year in late July? If he does, maybe next year they should just give him a vacation or something.

Mets Guy in Michigan Jul 28 2016 03:25 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

Gut punch loss.

Lefty Specialist Jul 28 2016 03:26 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

Ten hits, a walk and a Colorado error = 1 run. YOUR New York Mets, ladies and gentlemen.

Mets Guy in Michigan Jul 28 2016 03:27 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

In the books, and not in a good way.

Ashie62 Jul 28 2016 03:40 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

Mets Guy in Michigan wrote: Gut punch loss. Season altering loss. wtg Terry

Zvon Jul 28 2016 03:57 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

Mets Guy in Michigan wrote: Gut punch loss. Two in a row. Given his recent work load and the streak ending just last night I would have avoided using Familia today. I think this is the first time this season I've gone on record slapping Collins upside the head for a bad decision. Reed or Robles could have taken the 9th today. I feel confident with both of them. I guess TC don't.

Zvon Jul 28 2016 03:57 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

Ashie62 wrote: Mets Guy in Michigan wrote: Gut punch loss. Season altering loss. wtg Terry It could be.

Frayed Knot Jul 28 2016 04:24 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

Terry's moves: - as I said at the time, although I didn't want to PH for deGrom, it was the right move. It was a major situation run scoring opportunity (2nd & 3rd/none out) and, for all the talk about what a good hitter JdG is, he has 3 hits this entire season and has K'd just under 1/3 of the time. - using Cespedes there was the right move too. Yeah you pretty much knew he was going to get walked but that's OK too since it uses him without taxing him. Then I also liked that it was a pitcher PR'ing for him so as to not waste a player on a day with a short bench. The alternative there is saving him for some other PH situation that might never come up - and what are the odds that there was going to be a better one than that: 2nd & 3rd/no outs and already the bottom of the 8th?? - I was less OK with PH'ing Johnson for Lagares but mostly for the defense it might (though didn't) cost us later than the move itself. But I understand the thinking; with the team hitting as poorly as it has lately leaving Juan in there vs RHPs (where he's hitting .224) is not going for even the smallest edge you can find. And I'm certainly not buying the logic that because the black cloud is so thick right now that it's all going to fail anyway so let's all just throw our hands up and not bother trying. - I would have gone to Robles to start the 8th with the idea of going to Reed in the 9th. And not just because Familia blew the save the night before (in a way I was almost glad the streak is over) but for the several games he had pitched in a row and for the thing that's kind of gone unnoticed this season with all the emphasis on his streak ... that Reed's been the better pitcher all year: lower ERA (by a full run), lower WHiP (by almost 50%!!), fewer batters faced in the same amount of innings. What's saved JF has been that he generates more ground balls (9 GiDPs) and that he keeps it in the park (0 HRs). He probably needed the break and I don't feel like you're losing much (if anything) replacing Reed/Familia with Robles/Reed That said, Jeurys was actually was more unlucky today than bad after so many games lately of it being the other way around. Broken bats hits, seeing-eye hits, bunts that didn't roll foul, etc. The walk killed him but it's not like that's a rarity with him. Not blameless, but also not terrible. - Once Reed was in I would have been tempted to let him finish the inning on just about anyone except maybe Carlos Gonzalez when one swing ties the game. But CG hits 50 points less vs LHPs and was 0-3 w/2 Ks vs Blevins ... and now he's 0-4 w/3 Ks All IMHO of course. oe: and lest we forget where the real problem lies: we scored one run today and 15 over the last 6 games, that's not a formula for winning under any strategy.

Ashie62 Jul 28 2016 04:57 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

Your humble opinion is correct and likely more than most managers can process anyway. K.I.S.S.

Zvon Jul 28 2016 05:04 PM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

Terry's moves: - as I said at the time, although I didn't want to PH for deGrom, it was the right move. It was a major situation run scoring opportunity (2nd & 3rd/none out) and, for all the talk about what a good hitter JdG is, he has 3 hits this entire season and has K'd just under 1/3 of the time. - using Cespedes there was the right move too. Yeah you pretty much knew he was going to get walked but that's OK too since it uses him without taxing him. Then I also liked that it was a pitcher PR'ing for him so as to not waste a player on a day with a short bench. The alternative there is saving him for some other PH situation that might never come up - and what are the odds that there was going to be a better one than that: 2nd & 3rd/no outs and already the bottom of the 8th?? - I was less OK with PH'ing Johnson for Lagares but mostly for the defense it might (though didn't) cost us later than the move itself. But I understand the thinking; with the team hitting as poorly as it has lately leaving Juan in there vs RHPs (where he's hitting .224) is not going for even the smallest edge you can find. And I'm certainly not buying the logic that because the black cloud is so thick right now that it's all going to fail anyway so let's all just throw our hands up and not bother trying. - I would have gone to Robles to start the 8th with the idea of going to Reed in the 9th. And not just because Familia blew the save the night before (in a way I was almost glad the streak is over) but for the several games he had pitched in a row and for the thing that's kind of gone unnoticed this season with all the emphasis on his streak ... that Reed's been the better pitcher all year: lower ERA (by a full run), lower WHiP (by almost 50%!!), fewer batters faced in the same amount of innings. What's saved JF has been that he generates more ground balls (9 GiDPs) and that he keeps it in the park (0 HRs). He probably needed the break and I don't feel like you're losing much (if anything) replacing Reed/Familia with Robles/Reed That said, Jeurys was actually was more unlucky today than bad after so many games lately of it being the other way around. Broken bats hits, seeing-eye hits, bunts that didn't roll foul, etc. The walk killed him but it's not like that's a rarity with him. Not blameless, but also not terrible. - Once Reed was in I would have been tempted to let him finish the inning on just about anyone except maybe Carlos Gonzalez when one swing ties the game. But CG hits 50 points less vs LHPs and was 0-3 w/2 Ks vs Blevins ... and now he's 0-4 w/3 Ks All IMHO of course. oe: and lest we forget where the real problem lies: we scored one run today and 15 over the last 6 games, that's not a formula for winning under any strategy. Excellent breakdown. I didn't know that about Reed, even though watching as many games as I do, I should have. That's fascinating.

Fman99 Jul 29 2016 06:48 AM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight

Fboy and I were there. It was hotter than blazes. We were sad when Familia barfed on the mound.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 22 2016 09:09 AM Re: IGT 7/28/16: COL@NYM -- Jake Can See Daylight