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Trading Season Stuff

Frayed Knot Jul 09 2016 02:50 PM

The deadline is still a couple weeks away but the Red Sox -- currently in 3rd place but only 2 games out -- have gotten the early jump on things with three separate deals in the last two days. - Acquired 3B Aaron Hill from Milwaukee for the usual price of several prospects, a 2nd baseman and a pitcher Hill was one name discussed here in various post-Sugarpants replacement scenarios. The Sox immediately stuck him in the lineup and were rewarded with two hits including the eventual game-winning RBI in the 8th - with several of their bullpen hurting (including now Kimbrel) they reached a deal with Arizona for Brad Ziegler, also for a 2nd base and pitching prospect Ziegler had been closing for the Snakes and may do so for the Sox depending on Kimbrel's status. - also traded for utility man (and phormer Philly) Michael Martinez from Cleveland

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 09 2016 03:24 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

I think the Mets need to realistically assess what their situation with Cespedes & Syndergaard is, then, if not hopeless, make a move for the best starting pitcher they can find. They could realistically trade from a group of capable ML starters (Walker, Cabrera, Reyes, Lagares, Loney, Granderson) and good-but-not-great comers (Hererra/Cecchini/Zimmo/Plawecki) + other lower-level prospects. If its hopeless, I think they can still move guys from the first group, plus Colon/Reed/Bastardo/Blevins.

Mets Guy in Michigan Jul 09 2016 03:43 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

I think I've read that there is a lack of good starting pitchers on the market this year. How is the rotation in Vegas? If this is a month-long bridge to Wheeler, is there anyone there worth giving a shot?

bmfc1 Jul 09 2016 04:04 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

The 51s rotation is shitty right now. ERAs are higher in that league but there isn't anyone who immediately jumps out as the next man up.http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.js ... e&sid=t400 Montero just gave up 10 ERs in 3 innings. Ynoa has been poor. Gsellman was promoted from AA and then got hurt. Sandy is going to have to use his big brain to find someone. ATL is taking bids on Tehran but I don't think the Mets have enough for him. Rich Hill (OAK) might be available and he's good even though he doesn't go more than 6 innings.

Chad Ochoseis Jul 09 2016 04:06 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

Montero isn't pitching well. My adoptee Gsellman just got promoted from AA and is injured (strained quad, I think...quads are the new obliques). Except for a few blips, Sean Gilmartin has gotten guys out at every level. I'd be fine giving him a shot in the rotation if it comes to that. And he's actually in the majors this week. And Ynoa? Sure, ynot?

Ashie62 Jul 09 2016 04:42 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

Talk to the 's about SP Rich Hill. Our AAA starters don't give me goosebumps,

Frayed Knot Jul 14 2016 11:18 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

Red Sox staying busy and ahead of the curve - acquiring LHP Drew Pomeranz, who just appeared as an All-Star in San Diego for San Diego, in exchange for a minor league prospect. All pending a physical, etc.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 14 2016 11:54 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

dombrowski.

Lefty Specialist Jul 14 2016 11:57 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

Sox certainly not screwing around this year, are they?

Edgy MD Jul 15 2016 02:05 AM Re: Trading Season Stuff

I think Jim Duquette sort of had Pomeranz at the top of the Mets' shopping list.

Rockin' Doc Jul 16 2016 12:17 AM Re: Trading Season Stuff

The Mets should move Bastardo as far from Citi Field as United Van Lines is willing to take him.

Ashie62 Jul 16 2016 08:20 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

Tampa Bay could be called about Chris Archer. Archer has had a bad start which should lower the price.

Mets Guy in Michigan Jul 16 2016 08:30 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

Some speculation that Jon Niese is a potential reunion candidate. No thanks.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 16 2016 10:07 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

Ashie62 wrote: Tampa Bay could be called about Chris Archer. Archer has had a bad start which should lower the price. I don't imagine they're looking to move him for pennies on the dollar. Smyly or Odorizzi, though...

Rockin' Doc Jul 16 2016 11:03 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

I hope the Mets pass on any ofers concerning the return of Jon Niese. He wasn't very good during his first time with the team and he has been even worse in Pittsburgh this year. Plus he verbally trashed the Mets after he was dealt.

Edgy MD Jul 17 2016 11:01 AM Re: Trading Season Stuff

If they have faith he can perform, I have no problem forgiving his alleged trashing, which was really just forcing himself to say that he's happy to join the Pirates.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 18 2016 03:41 AM Re: Trading Season Stuff

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Ashie62 wrote: Tampa Bay could be called about Chris Archer. Archer has had a bad start which should lower the price. I don't imagine they're looking to move him for pennies on the dollar. Smyly or Odorizzi, though... The Rays GM was asked if he'd seen any offers of value for Archer. "Comedic value," he said. I'll take me some Smiley.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 18 2016 04:41 AM Re: Trading Season Stuff

Right? Inflated-ish secondary numbers, due to slight increases in home run/flyball rate and weird strand percentages. And he's a lefty. I'd give them Nimmo for the guy, in a heartbeat, honestly.

Edgy MD Jul 18 2016 12:17 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

Didn't you go for Syndergaard for Ian Desmond back in the day? The team traded like 19 prospects for big league talent last season. They're going to have to pull up on the stick eventually. I think I can live with the team not having a big name #5 starter for a bit. GIVE NIMMO A CHANCE!

Ashie62 Jul 18 2016 12:39 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

Amed Rosario to the Rays for Drew Smyly.

Edgy MD Jul 18 2016 12:41 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

I'll again vote no.

TransMonk Jul 18 2016 12:44 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

I don't have any desire to trade Rosario for anything.

Mets Guy in Michigan Jul 18 2016 12:51 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

With Lucas beginning baseball activities, do we have a timeline on when he could come back? When he's back, does Loney -- who has been better than I expected -- have any kind of role? Does he have any trade value?

Benjamin Grimm Jul 18 2016 12:58 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

I think Terry said that we might see Duda in three weeks.

Edgy MD Jul 18 2016 01:28 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

I lefthand think pinch hitter/part-time starter/defensive specialist is a fine role for Loney. It'd mean having a guy with only one position on your bench, and that's a luxury, but it'd only be for about three weeks until the rosters expand. And Kelly Johnson becomes your fifth outfielder instead of your sixth infielder. And if nobody else gets hurt (or traded), it'd mean folks get their wish of a De Aza-free roster.

seawolf17 Jul 18 2016 01:54 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

DeAza for Kershaw. DO IT, SANDY.

Lefty Specialist Jul 18 2016 02:25 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

seawolf17 wrote: DeAza for Kershaw. DO IT, SANDY. Only if they pick up De Aza's salary.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 23 2016 10:46 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

HugWatch on Chris Sale, who was pulled from his start tonight.

Frayed Knot Jul 23 2016 10:49 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Jul 23 2016 10:53 PM

FOX reporting that he's [u:1pwst9zl]not[/u:1pwst9zl] out because he is ill, and that the team will release a statement later. Rangers, who have been falling like a rock lately and have half their team on the DL, have surfaced in C. Sale rumors just recently. UPDATE: FOX now saying he was scratched from the start and [u:1pwst9zl]has been sent home[/u:1pwst9zl] due to a 'non-physical clubhouse incident' ... and that they'll have no further comment. Well that clears up absolutely nothing.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 23 2016 10:51 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

What the hell? I guess it was verbal in nature?

Frayed Knot Jul 23 2016 10:56 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

I remember that Sale was one of the loudest, angriest, and most public about it when the players and mgmt got into a verbal war over the Adam LaRoche kid/retirement issue back in Spring. This can't be about that of course but Sale was none too subtle about mouthing off both to and about Kenny Williams over what he thought of their handling of the situation.

Edgy MD Jul 24 2016 12:10 AM Re: Trading Season Stuff

Report (and how can this not come out?) says that he didn't like the throwback uniform the team was to wear and he cut his up. What a bunch of frat boys Chicago has.

Ashie62 Jul 24 2016 11:03 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

He cut all of them up. Suspended 5 days.

Edgy MD Jul 25 2016 12:56 AM Re: Trading Season Stuff

Lots of buzz on Aroldis Chapman, much or most of it pointing Cubward. But the Nats are a minority candidate.

Mets Guy in Michigan Jul 25 2016 01:53 AM Re: Trading Season Stuff

Mets losing patience with d'Arnaud? Daily News says the Mets offered Travis to the Brewers for Jonathan Lucroy, and want relievers Jeremy Jeffress and Will Smith, too. I can see the Brewers selling, but I'm not sure if Jeffress and Lucroy are the pieces they'd be dealing.

bmfc1 Jul 25 2016 02:10 AM Re: Trading Season Stuff

I'm a big fan of Lucroy. http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/07/m ... eturn.html

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 25 2016 02:33 AM Re: Trading Season Stuff

I hate the Brewers in general (Selig, Braun, the Gomez thing, belonging to the AL, ugly uniforms, fucking up 2008 by being unable to beat the Phillies at home even once), Lucroy seems like a whiny bitch ("trade me to a contender!") and I kind of want to see dArnaud succeed here so I'd prolly be scared to make this deal but if the Mets are convinced its time to move on then maybe it is.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 25 2016 02:39 AM Re: Trading Season Stuff

If we're gonna get a reliver we may as well keep with the theme this year and get Joe Smith, (or better yet, go back in time and get him and never bother with JJF Putz) but I don't even know how he's doing this year.

Chad Ochoseis Jul 25 2016 03:53 AM Re: Trading Season Stuff

Think Antonio Bastardo, righthanded and sidearming. No, thanks.

TransMonk Jul 25 2016 12:31 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

I've had my eye on Lucroy since Travis got hurt earlier this year. However, I think it's going to take much more than a swap for d'A to get him. I'm not sure what else we would have to give up while remaining a contender this season.

Ashie62 Jul 25 2016 02:01 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

Matt Snyder of CBS reported the Mets offered d'Arnaud for Lucroy even up.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 25 2016 02:23 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

dArnaud-Lucroy is an interesting idea, I guess our drawback would be competition for him. And isn't it interesting as further proof of my theory: Players who get traded tend to get traded. Would be 3rd move for dArnaud, and continue the amazin' Tim Bogar Trade Tree.

Edgy MD Jul 25 2016 02:30 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

Tim Bogar will live on forever through d'Arnaud, Syndergaard, and Dilson Herrera. If anything, trading d'Arnie for Lucroy would cut that branch of the tree dead, as Lucroy is a potential free agent this offseason, and the earliest d'Arnaud will be available is 2020. Much as I love francophonic Mets, I no likey this trade proposal..

TransMonk Jul 25 2016 03:02 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

Lucroy has a team option for 2017 at $5,250,000...I'm assuming that would transfer via a trade. The Mets may have offered a catcher-for-catcher straight up swap, but I'm not sure why the Brewers would trade one of their best players for someone who has (so far) been inferior even if Travis has a few years of team control.

Edgy MD Jul 25 2016 03:10 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

Because Travis is cheaper, has a good chance of getting better, and they're not looking at a whole lot of meaningful games in September. Personally, I think d'Arnaud will be better than Lucroy by, like, this time tomorrow.

Zvon Jul 25 2016 03:16 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

I read Chapman to the Cubs is almost a dun deal. [url]http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/cubs-yankees-reportedly-have-chapman-trade-in-place-that-could-be-completed-soon/ I like Lucroy. If we are going for a catcher to fill our needs I think he's the best fit. d' straight up don't net him. Lucroys a good bet. d', not so much.

Ashie62 Jul 25 2016 03:17 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

TransMonk wrote: Lucroy has a team option for 2017 at $5,250,000...I'm assuming that would transfer via a trade. The Mets may have offered a catcher-for-catcher straight up swap, but I'm not sure why the Brewers would trade one of their best players for someone who has (so far) been inferior even if Travis has a few years of team control. Brewers declined.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 25 2016 03:57 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

Ashie62 wrote: Lucroy has a team option for 2017 at $5,250,000...I'm assuming that would transfer via a trade. The Mets may have offered a catcher-for-catcher straight up swap, but I'm not sure why the Brewers would trade one of their best players for someone who has (so far) been inferior even if Travis has a few years of team control. Brewers declined. They declined a straight-up deal, according to Snooze beater Kristie Ackert who said also that Brew scouts have been spotted at Mets' low-level minor league games in recent weeks. It is odd by the way for a team beatwriter to get these kinda scoops. The Trade Deadline is where the national guys shine (Heyman, Rosenthal, Joel Sherman etc). Should be noted Ackert's article includes a prominent Magic Quote* near the top: “At this time of year, many players are discussed among lots of clubs,” Mets general manager Sandy Alderson said. “Most of those discussions are no more than idle conversations that lead to nothing.” * -- a useful gadget in every's journalist's tool belt, a Magic Quote can be used to sell any story and express any emotion! For example. The Mets are looking into potentially dealing Noah Syndergaard to the Nippon Ham Fighters in exchange for secrets to the hiding places of Pokemon characters in the Tri-State area. “At this time of year, many players are discussed among lots of clubs,” Mets general manager Sandy Alderson said. “Most of those discussions are no more than idle conversations that lead to nothing.”

Edgy MD Jul 25 2016 04:02 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

ALDERSON DOESN'T EVEN FLAT OUT DENY IT!!! OMG WHAT IS HE THINKING!?!1!

d'Kong76 Jul 25 2016 04:53 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

Say what ya want about the Cubs, but they didn't sit on their hands (or their wallets) this off-season and their the first with a bold move in July.

Frayed Knot Jul 25 2016 05:13 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

Yanx are really making out on this Chapman deal as the details start to come in. The got him via a salary dump by Cincy although his salary wasn't super high to begin with for a closer ($11.3 mil) because he was still on the final year of his original deal. So for taking the money the Yanx threw four nothing prospects to the Reds (more like four suspects) and then wound up only paying about half that salary anyway between him being suspended for April and banished for August & September. Now they're getting back two Top-100 prospects, also RP Adam Warren who was the pitcher they gave to the Cubs in exchange for Starlin Castro, and it looks like a fourth player thrown in as well all for a guy who is able to walk after the season anyway. Of course it's still a bit of a blow to them to admit that they're not always in 'Go For It' mode even as they're coming off maybe their best two weeks of the season (3-1 vs CLE, 3-1 vs BALT, 2-1 vs SFG) but Chapman was clearly their most expendable guy.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 25 2016 06:00 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

Jaysis. The price of midseason relief upgrades.

Edgy MD Jul 25 2016 06:36 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

It's hard. I don't know what the answer is as to what the Mets need to get. They are more-or-less getting it done all around the diamond. Nobody is overwhelmingly good except healthy Céspedes, but nobody is the obvious soft spot. They could use a left-handed pinch hitter to replace De Aza, but that'll be taken care of when Duda returns. Not to say upgrades couldn't be found in any number of places, but it's just not obvious where the best spot to look is. First base and centerfield, I guess.

TransMonk Jul 25 2016 06:59 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

Agreed on DeAza. Disagree on d'Arnaud. Catcher is a place the team can improve. Unless d'Arnaud does become better than Lucroy by this time tomorrow.

batmagadanleadoff Jul 25 2016 07:11 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

If the Mets wanted to be bold, they'd move one of their outfielders whose first name doesn't begin with the letter "Y". Some see depth in that outfield. I see a misallocation and inefficient use of resources. I doubt they'll get Lucroy because there are several teams that have more to offer than the Mets. Not surprised that the Brewers turned down d'Arnaud straight up. They can proably do much better. Jeez, Lucroy's an established all star catcher under 30. I get the sense that Sandy won't be bold this year. And maybe it'd be the right thing to do. I buy into the idea that the Mets already have the offensive pieces to contend, and that it's just a matter of those pieces playing up to their reasonable expectations, which they clearly haven't so far for the most part.

Mets Guy in Michigan Jul 25 2016 07:16 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

“At this time of year, many players are discussed among lots of clubs,” Mets general manager Sandy Alderson said. “Most of those discussions are no more than idle conversations that lead to nothing.” * -- a useful gadget in every's journalist's tool belt, a Magic Quote can be used to sell any story and express any emotion! For example. Perfect! A writer can hang a whole column around that, yet do nothing in the way of actual journalism except generate hits and take up space in print.

Ceetar Jul 25 2016 07:21 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

Mets Guy in Michigan wrote: “At this time of year, many players are discussed among lots of clubs,” Mets general manager Sandy Alderson said. “Most of those discussions are no more than idle conversations that lead to nothing.” * -- a useful gadget in every's journalist's tool belt, a Magic Quote can be used to sell any story and express any emotion! For example. Perfect! A writer can hang a whole column around that, yet do nothing in the way of actual journalism except generate hits and take up space in print. And the best part about that is everyone else that posts about it instantly gets more credibility because they're quoting you. And then everyone posts about it,because of course, and suddenly everyone's talking about it because everyone's talking about it. But it could be worse, it could be politics.

d'Kong76 Jul 25 2016 07:23 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

batmagadanleadoff wrote: I buy into the idea that the Mets already have the offensive pieces to contend, and that it's just a matter of those pieces playing up to their reasonable expectations, which they clearly haven't so far for the most part. They just can't be this bad with the RISP thing. As someone here (FK, I think) said, it has to be approaching or surpassed some kind of historical-failure thing by this point. A better (preferably much better) next five weeks and we could be looking back at it all and laughing. Let's score some fucking runs!!

d'Kong76 Jul 25 2016 07:26 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

d'Kong76 wrote: it has to be approaching or surpassed some kind of historical-failure thing by this point. We need an Elias account, somebody get working on that!

Edgy MD Jul 25 2016 07:29 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

Last I heard, perhaps a week ago, the 1969 San Diego Padres were the last team to struggle so mightily with RISP. I agree they have the offensive pieces to contend. What an acquisition could bring is a psychological jolt, but that could come from a lot of places.

batmagadanleadoff Jul 25 2016 07:30 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

batmagadanleadoff wrote: I buy into the idea that the Mets already have the offensive pieces to contend, and that it's just a matter of those pieces playing up to their reasonable expectations, which they clearly haven't so far for the most part. This assumes that the starting pitching'll hold up. You know who and who and who I'm talking about.

seawolf17 Jul 25 2016 07:31 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

ahem. http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/team/_/sta ... order/true

seawolf17 Jul 25 2016 07:32 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

seawolf17 wrote: ahem. http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/team/_/sta ... order/true Hell, you can even take the "two outs" out of the equation. http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/team/_/sta ... order/true

d'Kong76 Jul 25 2016 07:45 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

Edgy MD wrote: Last I heard, perhaps a week ago, the 1969 San Diego Padres were the last team to struggle so mightily with RISP. So it's at least historical in the sense that no league champion has sucked so bad in RISP for a long long time. Gary, can you please make inquiries for us?

Ceetar Jul 25 2016 07:51 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

This is only the 5th worst, by OPS, season for the Mets batting with RISP. They're at .616 Of course, it's also the 12th worse all time (since about 1914 or so) The record for lowest OPS with RISP in a season was the '68 Mets with .563. .598 in '62 .602 in '81 .611 in '63 Those are different offensive eras though. If you sort by sOPS+ the Mets lose the bottom spot. '69 Padres had a 62 OPS+, '62 Mets had a 63, and third is the 2016 Mets with a 65.

Ashie62 Jul 25 2016 07:55 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

The Yankees prize is an OF Gleyber Torres Torres, 19, is hitting .275/.359/.433 in High Class A. He was recently ranked the 27th best prospect by Baseball America and the 34th best prospect by Baseball Prospectus. Torres' combination of three potential plus tools -- with power being his lone substandard one -- and polish makes him an intriguing piece. It's unclear who else the Cubs might be sending to the Bronx, but Torres seems like a good start to the Yankees' rebuild.

Ceetar Jul 25 2016 07:56 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

Ashie62 wrote: The Yankees prize is an OF Gleyber Torres Torres, 19, is hitting .275/.359/.433 in High Class A. He was recently ranked the 27th best prospect by Baseball America and the 34th best prospect by Baseball Prospectus. Torres' combination of three potential plus tools -- with power being his lone substandard one -- and polish makes him an intriguing piece. It's unclear who else the Cubs might be sending to the Bronx, but Torres seems like a good start to the Yankees' rebuild. Warren goes to the Yankees, Torres and Crawford to Single A Tampa, and McKinney to AA Trenton.

d'Kong76 Jul 25 2016 08:03 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

Ceetar wrote: This is only the 5th worst, by OPS, season for the Mets batting with RISP. They're at .616 Of course, it's also the 12th worse all time (since about 1914 or so) The record for lowest OPS with RISP in a season was the '68 Mets with .563. .598 in '62 .602 in '81 .611 in '63 Those are different offensive eras though. If you sort by sOPS+ the Mets lose the bottom spot. '69 Padres had a 62 OPS+, '62 Mets had a 63, and third is the 2016 Mets with a 65. bbrdotcom, or something else?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 25 2016 08:56 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

That does seem like a real haul for FA to be. Somebody mentioned however that the Cardinals haven't score a single run off Chapman for something like 3 years.

Mets Guy in Michigan Jul 25 2016 09:03 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

No backlash in Chicago over Chapman's domestic violence issues?

Ceetar Jul 25 2016 09:06 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

d'Kong76 wrote: Ceetar wrote: This is only the 5th worst, by OPS, season for the Mets batting with RISP. They're at .616 Of course, it's also the 12th worse all time (since about 1914 or so) The record for lowest OPS with RISP in a season was the '68 Mets with .563. .598 in '62 .602 in '81 .611 in '63 Those are different offensive eras though. If you sort by sOPS+ the Mets lose the bottom spot. '69 Padres had a 62 OPS+, '62 Mets had a 63, and third is the 2016 Mets with a 65. bbrdotcom, or something else? yeah, baseball reference play index.

Frayed Knot Jul 25 2016 09:11 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

Mets Guy in Michigan wrote: No backlash in Chicago over Chapman's domestic violence issues? I doubt it. He's a rental who both didn't commit the act under their watch and likely won't be around past this season. If anything, Cubs fans might be wondering why their mgmt didn't pick up Chapman back in the beginning of the year when they would have only had to give up shit prospects to get him. oe: And maybe Cincy fans are suddenly thinking that their mgmt acted too rashly and should have held onto him longer.

Edgy MD Jul 26 2016 04:16 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

Melvin Upton, Jr., you're a Toronto Blue Jay.

Ashie62 Jul 26 2016 05:32 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

Thats one big B.J. for Toronto.

seawolf17 Jul 26 2016 08:23 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

More Padre ABs for Travis Jankowski. I approve of this trade.

Edgy MD Jul 27 2016 04:04 AM Re: Trading Season Stuff

“I have regret, because I play 33 times a year at most in the regular season. So I put a lot of emphasis on when I play and I take a lot of pride in work that I do. When I can’t or don’t do that, yeah, I have disappointment in myself for not being there for my guys. Do I regret standing up for what I believe in? Absolutely not. Do I regret saying business should not be first before winning? Absolutely not.” Chris Sale entering the Guinness Book of World Records for most up-your-ass non-apology ever.

bmfc1 Jul 27 2016 11:36 AM Re: Trading Season Stuff

Sale surpassed the typical non-apology apology "if you were offended, I apologize".

Frayed Knot Jul 27 2016 11:40 AM Re: Trading Season Stuff

He also went on to put a bunch of the blame on Ventura, saying that he's the guy who should be protecting the players from these sorts of 'money over winning' schemes by mgmt.

Edgy MD Jul 27 2016 12:16 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

It's just a freakin' shirt, dude.

TransMonk Jul 27 2016 12:21 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

This incident (plus the Sox mediocrity) has intensified the whispers that Robin won't be asked to continue managing in Chicago after the end of the year.

Edgy MD Jul 27 2016 12:25 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

I guess two player revolts in a year over what should be housekeeping issues looks bad for Robin, but maybe Sale's just a jerk. I think that's why they make pitchers run on their days off. Otherwise, they just spend four restless days imagining they know more than everybody.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 27 2016 01:04 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

I mean, he got angry. He didn't cut A shirt. He waited until BP, then cut ALL of the shirts. Over the course of however long it takes to cut all the shirts. Whatever beef he has with management, it's pretty hefty, and likely well-aged. He's not long for Chicago (even if it waits until the offseason). On a less fraught note, a good old fashioned Challenge TradeTM: struggling old Nat/current Jay reliever Drew Storen heads to Seattle in exchange for scuffling Joaquin Benoit.

Ashie62 Jul 29 2016 12:16 AM Re: Trading Season Stuff

J. Giglio from what is left of the Star Ledger maintains the Mets are talking to the Brewers about Lucroy. This goes against what S.A. said but trade chatter is mostly cat and mouse anyway.

Mets Guy in Michigan Jul 30 2016 08:43 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

Would Lucroy even be much of an update over Travis? I could see, maybe, if we were getting a reliever in the deal.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 30 2016 09:07 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

Guys On The Internet think its a multiple players deal where wed also get LHRP Will Smith. Apparently Darnaud,Zimmo and a prospect going away.

TransMonk Jul 30 2016 09:09 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

Lucroy's 2016 WAR is higher than Cespedes'. And he has been consistently producing for a few years now. I'm missing how Lucroy wouldn't be a significant upgrade over d'Arnaud.

TransMonk Jul 30 2016 09:14 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

Zvon Jul 30 2016 09:19 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

Including what he brings behind the plate as well, very significant IMO. At least as it stands now. If Travis can start to block pitches properly and throw a few guys out we wouldn't even be considering this move. I like lil d' too, but it's crunch time and he ain't cutting' it.

Frayed Knot Jul 30 2016 09:56 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Guys On The Internet think its a multiple players deal where wed also get LHRP Will Smith. Apparently Darnaud,Zimmo and a prospect going away. I don't like the direction this seems to be heading.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 30 2016 10:08 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

thinking now some of the speculation had to do with the Mets being slow to announce lineup; turns out that could have been Ruggiano related. Who knows. btw pouring here. will be a challenge to grill fish tonite

Zvon Jul 31 2016 06:09 AM Re: Trading Season Stuff

Lucroy to the Indians. [url]http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/report-brewers-agree-to-trade-jonathan-lucroy-to-indians/ar-BBv3xqr?li=BBgET5V&ocid=spartandhp

Frayed Knot Jul 31 2016 11:56 AM Re: Trading Season Stuff

Certainly looking that way but not official yet. Cleveland is on Lucroy's N-T list so he still gets the final stamp of approval. I'm kind of relieved to be honest here. Now rumors have the Mets turning their attention to Jay Bruce although I'm not sure how he's a real fit either, especially seeing as how he'd be gone at the end of the year. At least with Lucroy you'd also get his 2017 season in the swap.

Frayed Knot Jul 31 2016 12:10 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

Strangest trade of the year so far is probably San Diego dealing Matt Kemp to the Braves in exchange for Hector Olivera, or at least the contract of Olivera as the Pad's plan is to release Olivera as soon as they get him. Olivera is the Cuban the Dodgers signed seemingly sight unseen - or maybe they just figured that after surprisingly everybody by hitting on Puig that they had the golden touch and any ballplayer who escaped that island was going to turn out just as well. Signed by the Dodgers in May of 2015, the 30 y/o Olivera had 75 ABs in the minors (mostly in rookie ball) before LA dealt him to Atlanta as part of a multi-team, mega-player trade at last year's deadline, agreeing to pay his entire $28 million signing bonus in the process. The Braves put him on the ML club last September and again at the start of 2016. But an assault charge put a damper on those plans (hate when that happens) and he's been on double secret probation ever since. In the meantime this means the Mets will have the still only 31 y/o Matt Kemp to deal with six series per year for the next three seasons (signed thru 2019). As erratic as his career has been it's tough to know whether that's a good thing for the Braves or a bad thing. He's back to hitting for power again but his .285 OBA is a steep drop off his .340 career average or when he was putting up .399 in his near-MVP season five years ago. And then just to bring this full circle, the Dodgers are paying a large chunk of the contract for each of these guys as they were the ones who signed both to their current deal but then quickly decided they wanted out.

TransMonk Jul 31 2016 12:56 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

Frayed Knot wrote: Now rumors have the Mets turning their attention to Jay Bruce although I'm not sure how he's a real fit either, especially seeing as how he'd be gone at the end of the year. At least with Lucroy you'd also get his 2017 season in the swap. Bruce has a $13 million team option or a $1 million buyout for 2017. Yet, even with the option, I'm not all that interested in Bruce.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 31 2016 01:25 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

MFYs collect Indians No. 1 and 5 prospects, plus 2 oither guys, for Andrew Miller. Is there any reason Mets shouldn't be fishing the same waters for Addison Reed?

Mets Guy in Michigan Jul 31 2016 05:05 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

Reading the Lucroy exercised his no-trade clause and tribe deal is off. Of course that's likely a ploy for cash. We'll see.

MFS62 Jul 31 2016 09:38 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

So, the Mets didn't make any moves today. They'll just have to win it all with what they have. Later

Frayed Knot Jul 31 2016 10:07 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

Deadline is tomorrow (Monday) 4 PM

Chad Ochoseis Jul 31 2016 10:26 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

Mets Guy in Michigan wrote: Reading the Lucroy exercised his no-trade clause and tribe deal is off. Of course that's likely a ploy for cash. We'll see. The word was that he wanted the $5.25M club option for 2017 waived. I don't know if the deal is necessarily kaput. The Tribe is running away with the AL Central, but they're doing it with their starting catcher out for the season and his main backup batting .080. They need a catcher for a 2016 playoff run more than the Mets do.

MFS62 Jul 31 2016 10:52 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

Frayed Knot wrote: Deadline is tomorrow (Monday) 4 PM I thought it was today. Lacroy was held out of today's game pending a trade. That made me think they didn't want him on the field while a trade went down (like the Flores internet fiasco last year). Thanks. Later

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 31 2016 11:22 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

If the Mets were REALLY looking to fortify, then a deal like the Cards made today-- picking up Andrew-Miller-Lite Zach Duke from the President's favorites for speedy-but-power-free AAA centerfielder Charlie Tilson.

Ashie62 Jul 31 2016 11:26 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: MFYs collect Indians No. 1 and 5 prospects, plus 2 oither guys, for Andrew Miller. Is there any reason Mets shouldn't be fishing the same waters for Addison Reed? Yanks got Clint Frazier. Wow.

Frayed Knot Jul 31 2016 11:41 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

MFS62 wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: Deadline is tomorrow (Monday) 4 PM I thought it was today. Lacroy was held out of today's game pending a trade. That made me think they didn't want him on the field while a trade went down (like the Flores internet fiasco last year. Well you NEVER want a guy on the field when a deal is in the works and a deal WAS in the works, it just happened to fall through. Lucroy later pinch hit after the deal was declared dead. The deadline was bumped back a day this year because the traditional day fell on a Sunday and would haven't landed right in the middle of virtually every team's game. Jayson Stark is saying that Lucroy to the Mets is a dead issue.

Edgy MD Aug 01 2016 12:52 AM Re: Trading Season Stuff

Tyler Clippard back to the Yanks like a son of Al Leiter. What a hot potato that guy has become.

Frayed Knot Aug 01 2016 01:21 AM Re: Trading Season Stuff

Edgy MD wrote: What a hot potato that guy has become. Fourth team for Clip-Art since the beginning of 2015. Wasn't having a particularly good season out in the desert: 4.30 ERA / 1.3 WHiP compared to the 3.06 / 1.05 he put up in Queens last year. I guess he's going to be the guy setting up Bettances at this point, either him or Adam Warren who's also a recidivist Yanqui. Whatever it's going to be, it's a far cry from the Bettances - Miller - Chapman trio they were running out there since May

TransMonk Aug 01 2016 05:57 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

Twats on Twitter still saying Lucroy deal to the Mets is not yet dead even after Bruce. Still, it's being labelled as on "life support". Brews looking for Dilsson Herrera in addition to d'Arnuad per various sources.

TransMonk Aug 01 2016 06:30 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

To the Giants: [youtube:3kfyo4zt]wQjDSlVyGiU[/youtube:3kfyo4zt]

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 01 2016 06:45 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

Dodgers got Reddick and Rich Hill from the A's and are said to be close to a TB pitcher. MFYs expected to deal Beltran in the next 1:15

G-Fafif Aug 01 2016 06:59 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

Beltran reportedly to Texas for Dillon Tate, pitching prospect.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 01 2016 07:20 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

Jeez, 41 minutes left!

Edgy MD Aug 01 2016 07:31 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

G-Fafif wrote: Beltran reportedly to Texas for Dillon Tate, pitching prospect. If that isn't a computer-generated NPC, then I don't know what. [fimg=250]http://mets360.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/1976-Topps-Randy-Tate.jpg[/fimg]

Frayed Knot Aug 01 2016 07:54 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

Sidearming ex-NYM Joe Smith to the Cubs

sharpie Aug 01 2016 07:58 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

Will Smith and Joe Smith being traded within an hour of each other.

G-Fafif Aug 01 2016 07:59 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

Ivan Nova now a Pirate.

Edgy MD Aug 01 2016 08:12 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

Aaron Nola and Ivan Nova, now just one big indistinguishable nebulous Pensylvanian character. Like George Ross and Benjamin Rush.

Edgy MD Aug 01 2016 08:14 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

Trade deadline day, the one day a year Twitter is a gift to mankind.

G-Fafif Aug 01 2016 09:02 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

Francisco Liriano is a Blue Jay. Kemp is a Brave, or did we already know that?

smg58 Aug 01 2016 09:13 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

Steven Pearce goes back to Baltimore for a catcher who can't hit. Hell, we have plenty of those...

Frayed Knot Aug 02 2016 12:17 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

Couple of odd bits of fallout from a few of yesterday's trades. - Pitcher Scott Feldman had been traded by the Astros to the Blue Jays just prior to the deadline, and seeing as how the Jays happened to be in Houston for a series he was able to to report to his new team right away merely by switching dugouts (and presumably hotel rooms). Safe to say that it would have pissed off his new team had he exercised his right to take up to 72 hours to report, huh?. But of course he did report immediately and so when the game went into the bottom of the 14th with the Jays having already used six pitchers, Feldman made his Toronto debut against his teammates from a few hours earlier. Four pitches later the 'Stros had a walk-off win [Altuve single - Correa double] and he had already racked up his first 'L' as a Jay. - The Dodgers trade for RF JJ Reddick had an unexpected counter-move: Yasiel Puig to the minors! The guy who got MVP consideration in his first two MLB seasons (finished 15th & 19th) has seen his OPS+ drop steadily since his rookie year from 159, 145, 110, to now 93 in this his 4th season [.260/.320/.386], not exactly what you want from an unpredictable and oft-fundamentally challenged corner OF Predictably he's threatening not to report, but just as predictably I suspect he will as he doesn't have a whole lot of options other than, y'know, forfeiting his remaining salary and the ability to play in any ML-affilitated league.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 02 2016 02:39 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

See, now... Josh Reddick, I might have been a little more okay with than I an with Bruce.

Frayed Knot Aug 02 2016 02:54 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: See, now... Josh Reddick, I might have been a little more okay with than I an with Bruce. I thought of that too; less powah than Bruce better better glove, legs, arm, contact skillz. The main difference is that he's a FA at the end of the year whereas we have JB for 2017 also - which I suppose one could look at as either a positive or a negative.

Edgy MD Aug 02 2016 03:03 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

The real story is Colin Rea. In between Men at Work reunion tours. Colin was pitching for San Diego. But Colin got traded, because he's a Padre, and it's the law. But it was one of those seven-player deals (the Andrew Cashner deal) that, once the eggs are scrambled, they cannot be unscrambled. So, the Padres' trade partners, the Marlins, IMMEDIATELY tried to un-scramble the eggs. Well not so immediately. Rea took the hell for the Fishies, threw 3 1/3 innings of one-hit, shutout ball, and left the game with an elbow injury. [fimg=450]http://a.fssta.com/content/dam/fsdigital/RSN/Florida/2016/7/30/073016-fsf-mlb-miami-marlins-rea-PI.vadapt.664.high.37.jpg[/fimg] Are you effing kidding me? [fimg=450]http://cdn.sandiegouniontrib.com/img/photos/2016/07/31/0cd6f82da1f64601a186753686b9368a_r900x493.JPEG?122770e84b36f1c039d5c4c2ca15c2d8bc4ecd52[/fimg] How about you back off, Donnie Baseball? Weren't you injured for, like five years straight? Then the Marlins ("absolutely livid" according to Jeff Passan) returned Rea to the Padres pretty much before the game was over, getting one of the pieces they sent over in the package — class A righty Luis Castillo. Because if your name is "Luis Castillo," the Marlins are a destiny that you just can't shake.

Ashie62 Aug 02 2016 11:34 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

We coulda had LuCroy and cheap at that. It appears d'Arnaud's days as trade bait may have come to end.

Frayed Knot Aug 02 2016 11:36 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

Ashie62 wrote: We coulda had LuCroy and cheap at that. Based on?

Edgy MD Aug 02 2016 11:42 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

Wishful thinking. Come on, now.

Frayed Knot Aug 28 2016 02:44 AM Re: Trading Season Stuff

Frayed Knot wrote: LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: See, now... Josh Reddick, I might have been a little more okay with than I an with Bruce. I thought of that too; less powah than Bruce better better glove, legs, arm, contact skillz. The main difference is that he's a FA at the end of the year whereas we have JB for 2017 also - which I suppose one could look at as either a positive or a negative. Reddick w/Dodgers 11 for 75; .147/.210/.160; 10 singles + 1 double He somehow managed to be worse than Jay Bruce who has all of 13 hits (81 AB) w/5 of them for XB

Edgy MD Aug 28 2016 04:08 AM Re: Trading Season Stuff

Never get taken by a guy's legs. That's my motto.

MFS62 Aug 28 2016 12:51 PM Re: Trading Season Stuff

Edgy MD wrote: Never get taken by a guy's legs. That's my motto. Makes a nifty bumper sticker. LOL! Later