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Centerfield Jul 10 2016 12:29 AM

There is absolutely no reason to play short-handed these last 2 games. Seth Lugo could have been demoted, or Syndergaard could have been DL'ed. Conforto should absolutely positively be here for these 2 games before the break. Instead, we get De Aza. Forget the injuries and everything else, the boneheaded moves by Alderson and this front office are fucking inexcusable.

Zvon Jul 10 2016 12:51 AM Re: The Mets are Fucking Dumb

I'll have to agree with you about De Useless, and yes even tho he and Nimmo are both lefties, I would have liked to see Conforto to the break with the big club. Did you see De Aza hit himself in the face with his bat while on deck earlier tonight? I was impressed he made contact.

Frayed Knot Jul 10 2016 01:57 AM Re: The Mets are Fucking Dumb

Please do remember that Conforto was like 5 for his last 85 before we go treating him as the answer to much of anything here. As far as DL'ing Syndergaard, I'll pass on an extra mediocre reliever for a day to two while also committing to being without Thor for the first week and a half post-ASB on a staff that's already missing Harvey.

bmfc1 Jul 10 2016 02:18 AM Re: The Mets are Fucking Dumb

Sandy's off-season: not signing Murphy to a long-term deal (not looking like a smart move at the moment), not getting Zobrist (he tried), then happily trading Niese for Walker (good deal) Keeping Bartolo (good!) Signing Cabrera (good!) Signing de Aza to platoon with Lagares (oops!) Signing Barstardo (disaster!) Signging Cespedes, who basically fell into Sandy's laps (great!). Sandy needs to admit his mistakes and DFA de Aza and Bastardo before Friday.

Zvon Jul 10 2016 02:25 AM Re: The Mets are Fucking Dumb Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 10 2016 02:36 AM

OE: Ha, I made it worse.

Zvon Jul 10 2016 02:26 AM Re: The Mets are Fucking Dumb

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Zvon Jul 10 2016 02:38 AM Re: The Mets are Fucking Dumb

Frayed Knot wrote: Please do remember that Conforto was like 5 for his last 85 before we go treating him as the answer to much of anything here. I do but I firmly believe he will find his sweet swing again and it might as well be up here for all we are getting from De Aza. Stop it with these place holders. The future is now.

Edgy MD Jul 10 2016 02:41 AM Re: The Mets are Fucking Dumb

Was the forum upset at time that Murphy was left to walk?

Benjamin Grimm Jul 10 2016 02:42 AM Re: The Mets are Fucking Dumb

I think we all knew it was coming. If I remember correctly, I was hoping he'd bite on the QO and come back for 2016.

bmfc1 Jul 10 2016 02:43 AM Re: The Mets are Fucking Dumb

Even if you don't call up Conforto yet, reward good play and get red hot Travis Taijeron (remember him from spring training?) up. http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?si ... g/2016/ALL

Edgy MD Jul 10 2016 02:52 AM Re: The Mets are Fucking Dumb

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I think we all knew it was coming. If I remember correctly, I was hoping he'd bite on the QO and come back for 2016. Looks like nobody was outright decrying this would blow in the team's face, but most were pretty leery that it might.

Zvon Jul 10 2016 02:57 AM Re: The Mets are Fucking Dumb

Edgy MD wrote: Was the forum upset at time that Murphy was left to walk? Benjamin Grimm wrote: I think we all knew it was coming. If I remember correctly, I was hoping he'd bite on the QO and come back for 2016. We were practically conditioned through the media that it had to be. We couldn't afford him after he raised his value during the end of 2015. And I pretty much bought it. I'm conditioned in regards to that too, that we are not a big city big market team. Guess I will be until something proves otherwise. I felt we were turning the corner with the Cespedes move and I'm going to try and continue to feel that way because even in my wildest dreams I would not have expected Muff to do what he's doing overall. Against us, I expected to get burnt, but what he's doing league wide is incredible. I'm happy for him.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 10 2016 03:19 AM Re: The Mets are Fucking Dumb

It was never that they couldn't afford him. It was that they were opting not to, given the controllable presumed near-future option. Not that Niese-for-Walker wasn't a good trade. But, man, neither before nor after the Zobrist failure did Murph seem an object of serious consideration. Which is weird, considering that he wanted back in, and he was a known commodity seemingly on the upswing.

Frayed Knot Jul 10 2016 03:51 AM Re: The Mets are Fucking Dumb

I'm not going to go all revisionist history on either Zobrist or Murphy* simply because each are having better years than anyone expected and quite possibly the best of their careers -- certainly so in Murph's case and at least close in Zobrist's -- especially since it's not like they had the option of having these 31 and 35 year old guys for this year alone but would had also had to sign up for the next three as well. So I'm pretty sure the prospect of having Murph under contract into his mid-30s is a large part of what the Mets balked at (What about Dilson/Flores/Reynolds?!?!?!) while the fact that they weren't balking at signing Zobrist for multiple years starting in his mid-30s had many of us scratching our heads at the time and wondering why not. * Murph is also hitting all of .270 since June 1 with an OBA just a tick above .300. Two days, despite what Kenny Albert kept saying over and over again, is NOT a hot streak simply because those are the only two games he happened to watch

Chad Ochoseis Jul 10 2016 04:20 AM Re: The Mets are Fucking Dumb

Frayed Knot wrote: I'm not going to go all revisionist history on either Zobrist or Murphy* simply because each are having better years than anyone expected and quite probably of the best of their careers -- certainly so in Murph's case and at least close in Zobrist's. Definitely. I can't blame Sandy for not figuring out that Murphy was going to go from an above-average offensive 2B to one of the league's best hitters. Has any player in the history of the game suddenly started consistently OPSing 200 points over their career numbers after age 30? Well, yeah, someone did. But let's restrict that question to players who didn't play in the steroid era. And Murph had an awful WS, giving some weight to the belief that the Cubs and Dodgers series were flukes. The consensus on Walker was that he was an upgrade over Murphy, and most of us were happy to have one year of Walker over four years of Zobrist. I didn't weigh in then, but knowing what Sandy knew in 2015, I wouldn't have done anything differently. Hindsight is always...well, you know.

MFS62 Jul 10 2016 02:11 PM Re: The Mets are Fucking Dumb

I look at Sandy's moves from a strategic standpoint. To evaluate the deals, we'll have to wait a few years to see if the long term result was worthwhile. If he had re-signed Murphy, it would have been for multiple years (let's say 4). Instead, he got Walker (who isn't exactly chopped liver) for one year, and it will open up the spot to play Dilson Hererra, most likely for the three years after this. But you also have to view the total salary difference over those four years(the difference between four years of Murphy versus one year of Walker and three years of Hererra). Several pitchers will be getting eligible for large contracts over that period, and the money saved can be spent to help keep the pitching. Later

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 10 2016 02:28 PM Re: The Mets are Fucking Dumb

I was under no illusions Walker would be a superior hitter to Muffy, but a better fielder and a better bargain, given all the options. The weird thing as mentioned was being prepared to go 4 years on Zobrist, with the next option being 1 on Walker. This would suggest to me the Mets had had it up to here with Muffy's D, and/or felt Zobrist was simply a better class of asset than either Muffy or Walker. Still not convinced letting Muffy walk was a disaster. I mean, there was a also a 1 in 28 shot he wouldn't go to Washington.

Centerfield Jul 10 2016 04:20 PM Re: The Mets are Fucking Dumb

This thread took a left turn. Wasn't meaning to second guess the offseason moves. I was speaking more to the intra-organization moves this season. This series is huge and we end up having to start De Aza. Michael Conforto would have been a much bigger asset these last two games than Seth Lugo.

Frayed Knot Jul 10 2016 05:08 PM Re: The Mets are Fucking Dumb

Well the reason we were stuck with De Aza was because Cespedes isn't available and Conforto crashed and burned to the point where he had to be sent down. De Aza might be just 9 for his last 54 but Conforto was an even worse 7 for his final 59 prior to his demotion. Look, there's no getting around the fact that he's failed miserably as a signing and I'm sure if we could ever actually get Lagares, Cespedes, Nimmo, Granderson & Conforto on the roster and available at the same time that ADA will be outta here in a minute. But between the various injuries (large and small) and sucking that hasn't been the case and so, until such time as it is, he's a guy on the roster ready to play while the others aren't. P.S. He had two hits on got on base three times Saturday night which was as many as the rest of the lineup combined.

Edgy MD Jul 10 2016 05:36 PM Re: The Mets are Fucking Dumb

Yeah.

bmfc1 Jul 10 2016 07:12 PM Re: The Mets are Fucking Dumb

I don't know if this is dumb: Syndergaard won't start until the 19th which is 11 days after his last appearance. The Mets could have DL'd him, thereby adding another player and giving him additional rest, and only lost him for an additional 4 days.

Centerfield Jul 11 2016 03:11 PM Re: The Mets are Fucking Dumb

Frayed Knot wrote: Well the reason we were stuck with De Aza was because Cespedes isn't available and Conforto crashed and burned to the point where he had to be sent down. De Aza might be just 9 for his last 54 but Conforto was an even worse 7 for his final 59 prior to his demotion. Look, there's no getting around the fact that he's failed miserably as a signing and I'm sure if we could ever actually get Lagares, Cespedes, Nimmo, Granderson & Conforto on the roster and available at the same time that ADA will be outta here in a minute. But between the various injuries (large and small) and sucking that hasn't been the case and so, until such time as it is, he's a guy on the roster ready to play while the others aren't. P.S. He had two hits on got on base three times Saturday night which was as many as the rest of the lineup combined. I understand that Cespedes was not available, but that did not mean in any way, shape or form that we had to be stuck with De Aza. Conforto has been red hot and has hit 3 HR's since he returned to LV. If it were left to me, I would have started him over De Aza. And if you don't feel Conforto is ready, there are a host of other bats that could have been called up. With only two games left before the All-Star break, it's a no-brainer that you send down Seth Lugo (or DL Noah) and get a productive bat up for the last 2 games. Countless times this season the Mets front office has inexplicably failed to field the best team possible. How this can be done during a series as important as this one is mind-boggling to me.

bmfc1 Jul 11 2016 05:16 PM Re: The Mets are Fucking Dumb

Well said CF. If management was concerned about having enough arms in the bullpen, they should have made deGrom available out of the pen yesterday (the way the Nationals used Roark).

Edgy MD Jul 11 2016 05:39 PM Re: The Mets are Fucking Dumb

Well, the Mets didn't lose the game in the pen. Teams have sometimes sent down players with options just before the All Star break to be certain they kept getting their work in. There isn't a lot of precedent for teams sending down pitchers with options in order to get a few more bats for the last game or two, and assuming their off-day starters can pick up the slack. Not that it isn't a good idea. You may not want to interrupt Conforto's season, but there's also Kelly, Reynolds, Herrera, and Campbell as options. Plawecki too. A better move than sending down Lugo (or DL'ing Syndergaard), would have been to send down Verrett, who wasn't going to pitch under any circumstances.

themetfairy Jul 11 2016 05:58 PM Re: The Mets are Fucking Dumb

bmfc1 wrote: I don't know if this is dumb: Syndergaard won't start until the 19th which is 11 days after his last appearance. The Mets could have DL'd him, thereby adding another player and giving him additional rest, and only lost him for an additional 4 days. They have a couple of days before they have to make this decision. Perhaps they will DL him before play resumes.

Centerfield Jul 11 2016 06:26 PM Re: The Mets are Fucking Dumb

Edgy MD wrote: Well, the Mets didn't lose the game in the pen. Teams have sometimes sent down players with options just before the All Star break to be certain they kept getting their work in. There isn't a lot of precedent for teams sending down pitchers with options in order to get a few more bats for the last game or two, and assuming their off-day starters can pick up the slack. Not that it isn't a good idea. You may not want to interrupt Conforto's season, but there's also Kelly, Reynolds, Herrera, and Campbell as options. Plawecki too. A better move than sending down Lugo (or DL'ing Syndergaard), would have been to send down Verrett, who wasn't going to pitch under any circumstances. Right. Sending down Verrett would have been the right play. No idea why this wouldn't have been done. Yesterday's game might have gone 25 innings. Taking up a roster spot would have been a useless Logan Verrett wrapped in ice.

Edgy MD Jul 11 2016 06:30 PM Re: The Mets are Fucking Dumb

I think the reason it wasn't done is because it traditionally isn't done. There are some ways honor-bound and tradition-bound managers and GMs just don't look for an edge. It's an agreement so implicit, many wouldn't even think of doing it. Then a young guy comes in and does it and everybody hates him for 15 minutes — but it's in fact perfectly legitimate, defensible, and obvious, and they're all doing it the next year.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 11 2016 06:38 PM Re: The Mets are Fucking Dumb

Not to excuse fucking dumbness but for the Mets right now it's not even about tiny advantages on the margins it's about the guys they have out there all afternoon making some shit happen.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 11 2016 06:41 PM Re: The Mets are Fucking Dumb

The title of this thread reminds me of the joke about why Mickey divorced Minnie.

batmagadanleadoff Jul 11 2016 06:43 PM Re: The Mets are Fucking Dumb

Speaking of things that aren't done until they're done, the NFL channel is showing classic games. I wasn't intending to watch any of this the other day, but I was channel surfing and caught the end of one those games. It caught my interest because it was, naturally, a great game. And it went down to the wire. And I happened to catch like the last 5 minutes of game time. Anyways, so now there's like 10 seconds left in the game and even though the score is close, the team ahead has possession of the ball. This was a Raiders playoff game from the '70s, I forgot to mention. So there's time for one more play, and the Raiders, on the last play, with the lead, in a playoff game no less, elimination ferchrissakes, run a power sweep. They don't sit on the ball. There's no victory formation. What? Before Joe Pisarcik, no one thought of the victory formation? Now that's fucking dumb!

batmagadanleadoff Jul 11 2016 06:48 PM Re: The Mets are Fucking Dumb

Which Mets? I know at least one Met is a dumb motherfucker. [youtube:62gu6l7q]6tqXaz5bD4Q[/youtube:62gu6l7q]

batmagadanleadoff Jul 11 2016 06:48 PM Re: The Mets are Fucking Dumb

How dumb are they?

batmagadanleadoff Jul 11 2016 06:50 PM Re: The Mets are Fucking Dumb

batmagadanleadoff wrote: How dumb are they? The Mets are so dumb that ___________ _____________ _____________ _____________.

bmfc1 Jul 11 2016 07:17 PM Re: The Mets are Fucking Dumb

Edgy MD wrote: You may not want to interrupt Conforto's season, but there's also Kelly, Reynolds, Herrera, and Campbell as options. Plawecki too. Oddly enough, it would have given those guys an extra day of playing or at least warming up, rather than an interruption, as the 51s were off on Sunday.

Frayed Knot Jul 11 2016 07:49 PM Re: The Mets are Fucking Dumb

They'll DL Syndergaard if they have to, but they've already decided to sort him to the back of the order, in effect missing one start already. DL'ing him unnecessarily (or at least prior to it being known to be necessary) would have him miss an additional start. Sending down Verrett, who is a permanent member of the rotation until further notice and is currently slated to start one of the first four games after the break, would make him ineligible to return for 15 days except as an injury replacement which would cause them to dig even deeper into the 7th-9th starter territory for at least two of his starts, all during this span where we're already short Harvey and are weeks away at best from subbing in Wheeler. Either or both of these moves all so we can have Ty Kelly or an extra back of the line reliever on board for a weekend strikes me as a really bad bargain. Instead, try looking to the fact that they totaled 13 hits in three games -- one of which was started by a guy who hadn't gotten anyone out recently -- and basically scored on nothing but solo HRs. I know De Aza is the scapegoat du jour these days and would quite likely be gone already if the rest of the OF could stay healthy at the same time and the anointed #3 hitter hadn't hit so shitty over two months that he lost not just his position in the order but his job as well, but, as JCL points out, making this all about having to play ADA for two days (esp. when he had two of the hits) is missing the larger point.

TransMonk Jul 11 2016 08:47 PM Re: The Mets are Fucking Dumb

Yeah, I think this goes beyond a roster move or three. If it would have come down to a play here or there, then maybe, but to my eyes, the Nats are clearly a better team than the Metsies this season. Other than the two of three the Mets took in DC back in May, the Mets have not been able to muster much against Washington. Period.

Centerfield Jul 11 2016 08:59 PM Re: The Mets are Fucking Dumb

Frayed Knot wrote: They'll DL Syndergaard if they have to, but they've already decided to sort him to the back of the order, in effect missing one start already. DL'ing him unnecessarily (or at least prior to it being known to be necessary) would have him miss an additional start. Sending down Verrett, who is a permanent member of the rotation until further notice and is currently slated to start one of the first four games after the break, would make him ineligible to return for 15 days except as an injury replacement which would cause them to dig even deeper into the 7th-9th starter territory for at least two of his starts, all during this span where we're already short Harvey and are weeks away at best from subbing in Wheeler. Either or both of these moves all so we can have Ty Kelly or an extra back of the line reliever on board for a weekend strikes me as a really bad bargain. Our mileage clearly varies. Conforto is hitting .340 since he's been sent down. On Saturday he went 3 for 5 with a HR and 3 RBI. I would have loved to have gotten him AB's this weekend over De Aza. We lose Logan Verrett for 15 days? I can deal with that. Even more so if the loss is Seth Lugo. Recall Gilmartin. Or Ynoa. What was that acronym Edgy created for interchangeable pitchers? I'm down with that. Frayed Knot wrote: Instead, try looking to the fact that they totaled 13 hits in three games -- one of which was started by a guy who hadn't gotten anyone out recently -- and basically scored on nothing but solo HRs. I know De Aza is the scapegoat du jour these days and would quite likely be gone already if the rest of the OF could stay healthy at the same time and the anointed #3 hitter hadn't hit so shitty over two months that he lost not just his position in the order but his job as well, but, as JCL points out, making this all about having to play ADA for two days (esp. when he had two of the hits) is missing the larger point. I am fully aware of the futility of the offense. That's why I'm saying take every advantage you can get. Does it increase our odds of winning those games by .001%? Then yes. Do it. Is the downside not having Logan Verrett/Lugo for 15 days? Yeah. I'm ok with that.

Centerfield Jul 11 2016 09:02 PM Re: The Mets are Fucking Dumb

TransMonk wrote: Yeah, I think this goes beyond a roster move or three. If it would have come down to a play here or there, then maybe, but to my eyes, the Nats are clearly a better team than the Metsies this season. Other than the two of three the Mets took in DC back in May, the Mets have not been able to muster much against Washington. Period. I don't get this. So because Washington is much better than the Mets, we don't even try to make up the difference? Whether or not they are the better team, a team in a pennant race should be taking every advantage they can get. If the Mets fall short, so be it. But man, don't leave bullets in the chamber just to save on airfare. Would Conforto have gone 3 for 5 against Washington? Maybe not. But maybe he would have. I don't see why you wouldn't try. If the fate of the world rested on the outcome of the last two games, no sane person would have let Seth Lugo take a roster spot over Michael Conforto.

Frayed Knot Jul 11 2016 09:31 PM Re: The Mets are Fucking Dumb

See, it's this thought that, despite already being without Harvey, willingly giving up as many as three starts from Syndergaard and/or Verrett to start the 2nd half and go two turns through the rotation without half of our top 6 starters will all be worth it if it saves us the indignity of eight ABs from Alejandro De Aza (in which he delivered two hits) is where I think the over-reaction and misplaced blame are going here. Look, I understand that ADA has no history or future here and therefore he's the designated boogyman these days. But Nimmo takes and oh-fer on Saturday (while K'ing three times) and then K's again in the 9th inning on Sunday on no one says a word. De Aza gets two hits and a walk on Saturday but then when he K's in the 9th on Sunday everyone knows it was a foregone conclusion and acts as if even allowing him in the stadium is akin to the team offering up a forfeit. Personally, I'm going to do everything I can to avoid giving starts to anyone from the Vegas staff and their near 6.00 collective ERA, and also might want to see a bit more than 50 ABs from Conforto before I decide he's not the same guy who clogged up the middle of the order with his .145 BA and 33% K-rate for the better part of two months.

Centerfield Jul 11 2016 09:48 PM Re: The Mets are Fucking Dumb

Frayed Knot wrote: See, it's this thought that, despite already being without Harvey, willingly giving up as many as three starts from Syndergaard and/or Verrett to start the 2nd half and go two turns through the rotation without half of our top 6 starters will all be worth it if it saves us the indignity of eight ABs from Alejandro De Aza (in which he delivered two hits) is where I think the over-reaction and misplaced blame are going here. If you want to save Verrett, then demote Lugo. You didn't need him last weekend and you don't need him going forward. You were much more likely to need Michael Conforto. I don't understand why advocating for a move that would have helped the team win the last two games qualifies as "over-reaction" or "misplaced blame". Conforto is and was a better bet to help us during those games than De Aza. I don't see how anyone can reasonably dispute this. He is clearly the better hitter. He was better last year, and he has been better this year, even taking into account his slump. He has certainly been better than the De Aza the last 13 games. And I get that Conforto sucked in May and June (.591 and .419 OPS). Just terrible. The worst he's ever done in his career. But you know who he was still better than? ALEJANDRO FUCKING DE AZA. (.417 and .345 OPS). So why would I want Conforto over De Aza? Because at his absolute shittiest, Conforto is still better than De Aza. This is not over-reaction. This is just reaction. And I'm not taking the blame off of everyone else. They all sucked too. But I can't just push a button and make them better. Sandy could have just picked up the phone and instantly upgraded the offense these past two games. Not doing so was foolish.

Edgy MD Jul 11 2016 10:32 PM Re: The Mets are Fucking Dumb

I certainly see the futility of the offense as the main factor in the Mets losing. But here they were, down by a run despite all that. One thing about a manager who works to find an edge, it sets a standard for players who work to find an edge. Because I don't see that.

Frayed Knot Jul 12 2016 02:24 AM Re: The Mets are Fucking Dumb

Centerfield wrote: I don't understand why advocating for a move that would have helped the team win the last two games qualifies as "over-reaction" or "misplaced blame". Well for starters you're so tied up in your declaration of De Aza as the problem and about mgmt compounding that problem by not jumping through hoops to make player movements to make sure he not infect the lineup in either game regardless of whatever downside it might cause now or after the break, that the fact that he turned out to not be the problem (getting on base 4 times in 8 PA - more than any other player on the team) seems to have totally flown over your head.

Centerfield Jul 12 2016 03:58 AM Re: The Mets are Fucking Dumb

Well for starters you're so tied up in your declaration of De Aza as the problem I think you're well aware that I've never declared that De Aza was the problem. In fact, I think I've said exactly the opposite. I am fully aware of the futility of the offense. That's why I'm saying take every advantage you can get. And I'm not taking the blame off of everyone else. They all sucked too. My point was that management was not doing their part by putting the best team on the field. But I can see how you might have missed my point though, seeing as I only made it: One The Mets are Fucking Dumb Two Forget the injuries and everything else, the boneheaded moves by Alderson and this front office are fucking inexcusable. Three Wasn't meaning to second guess the offseason moves. I was speaking more to the intra-organization moves this season. Four Countless times this season the Mets front office has inexplicably failed to field the best team possible. How this can be done during a series as important as this one is mind-boggling to me. Five Whether or not they are the better team, a team in a pennant race should be taking every advantage they can get. If the Mets fall short, so be it. But man, don't leave bullets in the chamber just to save on airfare. Six Times. Sandy could have just picked up the phone and instantly upgraded the offense these past two games. Not doing so was foolish. You know, come to think of it. Six times is kind of a lot. If I didn't know better, I'd say you were distorting my point and trying to couch it as something else. Trying to make it seem like knee-jerk scapegoating so as to make its validity more easily assailable. You know, if I didn't know better. and about mgmt compounding that problem by not jumping through hoops to make player movements See, that's the thing. Management making player movements involves very little hoop-jumping at all. Almost none actually. Some would go as far as to say player movement is part of management's job. to make sure he not infect the lineup in either game Back to De Aza I see. Maybe I should have said it seven times. regardless of whatever downside it might cause now or after the break, I think I've been explicit that I am totally down with the downside. Specifically, I think I said: We lose Logan Verrett for 15 days? I can deal with that. Even more so if the loss is Seth Lugo. Recall Gilmartin. Or Ynoa. What was that acronym Edgy created for interchangeable pitchers? I'm down with that. I'd be willing to bet good money that there will be no instance during the next 15 days where I'm saying "Man, if only we had Seth Lugo." that the fact that he turned out to not be the problem (getting on base 4 times in 8 PA - more than any other player on the team) seems to have totally flown over your head. The fact that he reached base four times over those games is, unfortunately, irrelevant to my point. If I put my grandmother on the roster for the last two games, this would be a bad move, even if she somehow slugged the game-winning hit. Management's role is to give the team the best chance to win. Individual moves might work out or not in the short run, but an organization that makes a habit of making foolish moves will ultimately play themselves into a disadvantage in the end. I want a team that maximizes my chances. This management team has not done that. Besides, it's impossible to know what Conforto might have done. He might have gone 8 for 8 with 4 HR's. We'll never know. What we do know is that Conforto (even at his worst) gives you a better chance to win than De Aza. Edgy MD wrote: One thing about a manager who works to find an edge, it sets a standard for players who work to find an edge. This. Management should set the example. Use every angle you possibly can to your advantage. Maybe the players will learn something. "Wow. Management is fucking smart. Maybe I should play smart. Like maybe even hitting the ball to that side of the field over there where no one is standing. Hmmm."