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cooby Jul 18 2016 12:37 AM

We had a shooting thread. We are really way too intelligent to pretend this isn't happening. The Post Office doesnt even get a chance to post the flag at full staff any more. :C

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 18 2016 04:01 AM Re: Shootings

i dont want to trivialize or politicize this but these acts of taking arms against an oppressive government is pretty much what these 2nd amendent thumpers are all about.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 18 2016 04:17 AM Re: Shootings

Well, yeah, that's why the NRA came out strongly against the treatment of law-abiding firearms-carrier Philando Castile, immediately after the incident occurred. Wait, what? Thing is, so many folks spoiling for a fight-against-the-uppity are treating this Black Lives Matter/police matter like either-or, when it's, like, the most both-and public issue out there. Black men shouldn't be shot by police; police shouldn't be ambushed in the line of duty. How do we get this done? (And how exactly is protesting the kind of thing "ingrates" do, Crazy White Cousin In-Law?)

Edgy MD Jul 18 2016 01:38 PM Re: Shootings

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: i dont want to trivialize or politicize this but these acts of taking arms against an oppressive government is pretty much what these 2nd amendent thumpers are all about. This is the dialogue that keeps going in my head. Isn't this what you keep arguing is the joyous uprising that's coming? Agents of the state taken down by rights-brandishing underclass who is sick of being pushed around? I don't actually MAKE that argument, because cops have families. And to these sons and daughters and sisters an brothers and parents, cops aren't abstractions, but actual loved ones that folks are terrified for. But yeah, this is us reaping what we've sewn. Stand down, America. Here in Baltimore, we had a hostage situation at a Burger King most of yesterday. Can you imagine that in 100 degrees?

Lefty Specialist Jul 18 2016 02:48 PM Re: Shootings

Well, this is why the NRA was okay with reasonable gun-control measures in the 1960's. Because they didn't want well-armed black people rioting in the streets. Well-armed white people are fine. Well armed black people, well..... And none of this is to trivialize shooting police officers (some of whom were black). It's just that we let guns get away from us in this country. People think that the way to solve problems or to deal with their issues is to kill other people. Guns make that extraordinarily easy to do. We were in London last December, and on the Underground there were two guys yelling at each other, then beating the crap out of each other- really going at it. And I had the thought that if this had happened in the US, one of them or both of them would have pulled a gun, and one or both of them would have been dead. And that saddened me.

Zvon Jul 22 2016 09:14 PM Re: Shootings

I don't really like to talk politics or even about my beliefs online. That stuff is my business. I'll talk to friends or relatives or anyone IRL about such things ( and some on-line friends as well, who I feel I have really come to know), but online I don't see the reason or feel the need . I have my beliefs, no one that I don't really know is going to change them, and people out there have their beliefs, and I'm not looking to change them. So online I try to keep it light, maybe give someone a laugh, a smile. But this latest incident, with the man with his hands up in the air, laying on the ground, telling the police exactly what the situation was, and that there was no need for guns, and PLEASE DON'T SHOOT ME. I assume you all know the story. He was caring for an autistic man and was taking his patient home. He was black, the patient was white. The patient was acting erratically and did a few things the police might have taken as a threat (I wouldn't have if I was an officer on the scene, but these days....). The colored man did nothing that even came close to a threat. He did the opposite. He did what the textbook says to do if you don't want to get shot. Yet, he was shot. The erratic white man (I have no idea if the cops comprehended that he was autistic, although they were informed) wasn't shot. On the vid you can clearly see what takes place and you can plainly hear the man, unarmed, laying down, hands in the air, explaining to the cops who he was & what he was doing. And he says PLEASE DONT SHOOT ME a number of times. And a policeman shot him. When asked why he did it, the officer responded: "I don't know." That statement speaks volumes. Something is terribly wrong. Lack of training? Jumpy trigger finger ( I saw no weapon on either man, I would not have had my finger on the trigger, but along side it)? A case of paranoia? On the whole, in these situations I want to lean on the side of the police. In some of these shootings I find I simply can't. The facts indicate that a number of these shootings were unjustified. Most times the victim has been a criminal to some extent so to a certain extent it's understandable. Here it was a behavioral therapist on the job. In any case there is ABSOLUTELY no excuse for the way the police behaved in this most recent situation.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 22 2016 10:15 PM Re: Shootings

The whole country is completely amped up about guns, with ridiculous "stand your grand" and "open carry" laws and terrified of one another. They need guns so no one takes their guns away. They need guns because other people who might shoot them have guns. I have no idea how to fix it but would suggest repealing the 2nd amendement and melting them all would be a good start.

Zvon Jul 22 2016 10:33 PM Re: Shootings

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Nymr83 Jul 23 2016 12:24 AM Re: Shootings

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: The whole country is completely amped up about guns, with ridiculous "stand your grand" and "open carry" laws and terrified of one another. They need guns so no one takes their guns away. They need guns because other people who might shoot them have guns. I have no idea how to fix it but would suggest repealing the 2nd amendement and melting them all would be a good start. a good start towards ensuring that only criminals have guns, sure.

Edgy MD Jul 23 2016 02:23 PM Re: Shootings

My friend Jenn has an autistic, African-American son. She lives in fear of a lot of things, but now that he's a tall, strapping, and often not seemingly rational tweenager, she wakes up breathless, terrified that this will that this is how he will come to his end. They've started an act, partnering with the police and going from department to department, with her son Jake lecturing police and cadets, letting them know what autism might look like, how people respond to loud noises, and imposing threats, sometimes shutting down, sometimes striking out, absolutely terrified. But now every cop is terrified too. And they are armed like never before.

Lefty Specialist Jul 25 2016 07:56 PM Re: Shootings

A good start would be banning the sale of military weapons to civilians. You shouldn't be able to buy an AR-15 or similar arms. The only purpose for these weapons is to inflict maximum human damage in the minimal amount of time. No one NEEDS them. Basically, ban the sale of them. You have one, mazel tov, you get to keep it. But you can't sell it (except to the police, who'll happily take it off your hands) or buy any new ones. Also, because we're that fucked up in this country, you can buy grenade launchers. I'd ban those too. Call it an anti-terrorism measure. I spent yesterday afternoon in a field in upstate New York with a closely-packed crowd of 50,000. You could bring your own folding chairs, coolers and food. Nobody was checked through security. 4 determined people could have killed hundreds if they really wanted to, given the weaponry available today. Just saying.

d'Kong76 Jul 25 2016 08:21 PM Re: Shootings

Lefty Specialist wrote: I spent yesterday afternoon in a field in upstate New York with a closely-packed crowd of 50,000. You could bring your own folding chairs, coolers and food. Nobody was checked through security. 4 determined people could have killed hundreds if they really wanted to, given the weaponry available today. Just saying. I was wondering about security yesterday and if they amped stuff up. I guess not. And of course, 4 determined people could have bought a bunch of guns and stuff from a guy's trunk in Albany and killed hundreds if they really wanted to. Just saying. I agree on the banning of military-esque weapons. They should ban heroin too. Oh wait.

Vic Sage Jul 26 2016 03:51 PM Re: Shootings

Australian comedian Jim Jefferies on gun control: https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/sear ... 006453f189

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 26 2016 04:11 PM Re: Shootings

That's a great clip. Stick to your guns, boys. [youtube:hxk1w270]6Vj9D3NnYn8[/youtube:hxk1w270]

d'Kong76 Jul 26 2016 04:33 PM Re: Shootings

Vic Sage wrote: Australian comedian Jim Jefferies on gun control: https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/sear ... 006453f189 That's a great bit, will have to share that...