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Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 01 2016 01:57 PM

Reports are we're still hot on him. Pros: --Perfect replacement for the LH power that's gone missing since Duda. Would change things up considerably --Although it further crowds the outfield, for the next week it'd allow Cespedes to DH and rest, or DL if necessary. --After that, try him, or Grandy, or Cespedes, for a 1Bmans glove --Zimmo, Cecchini and a low-level pitching prospect gets it done? --Signed for next season, hedge against Cespy walk, accelerates Grandy's transition to bench player/tradebait? Cons: --Too many outfielders already but no CFers still --Mets longshot to make playoffs under any circumstances --Whiffs a lot --Need to beat offer from SF

cooby Aug 01 2016 02:02 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

Leading my fantasy team in fan points. But in the "careful what you wish for" department, yes we'd have to make an offer we fans may not like

TransMonk Aug 01 2016 02:06 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

I'm not sure how Bruce helps the Mets in 2016. Moving forward, I think it would telegraph that the Mets believe Cespy will be gone after this season and that they cannot or will not negotiate to keep him here. If Cespedes stays, it creates a major log jam in the OF, yet Bruce does not play CF, so it is a log jam of corner OFs. I'll believe the Mets spending 2017 Grandy money on a bench player when I see it...and if Curtis is tradeable, his value is decreasing by the day. Whiffs a lot.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 01 2016 02:16 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

TransMonk wrote: I'm not sure how Bruce helps the Mets in 2016. He's a legit home run guy, that's how. Lots of things have gone wrong for the Mets this season but losing their cleanup/5 hitter has undoubtedly been the biggest thing gone wrong. We've already dared Cespedes to walk after the year, and he's compromised presently. I'm talking myself into this.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 01 2016 02:24 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

JUST SAY NO. Shit with the glove, nor that great with the arm, and an okay runner. He's not even THAT great a hitter. You're giving up fresh meat for that?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 01 2016 02:30 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

I might, rabbit. I might.

Edgy MD Aug 01 2016 02:34 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

What happened to Jay Bruce's arm? If I'm talking to Cincinnati, I'm asking about Votto, not Bruce.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 01 2016 02:52 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

Aesthetically? Seems pretty cool. Everything in the right place, matches the other and all. Throwing-wise? Ees no so good no more. (Same with his range/ability to make plays in right.)

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 01 2016 02:56 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

Has three career starts at first base.

Centerfield Aug 01 2016 02:57 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

I'd pass on Jay Bruce. His best asset his his power, and he's moving from Cincy to Citifield. Yikes.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 01 2016 02:59 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

He's a power hitter in any stadium, just a better one in a friendly park, but that's true of any guy. OWNS A FIRST BASEMAN'S GLOVE

Centerfield Aug 01 2016 03:22 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

I mean, I guess it comes down to what you give up for him. Wouldn't give up any blue chippers for Bruce.

Edgy MD Aug 01 2016 03:29 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

Votto has supposedly grown into a very unhappy camper seeing the Reds falling apart. Whatever your position, Cincy needs pitching, pitching and perhaps a little pitching. It's unclear if the Mets still have enough redundancy to dangle.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 01 2016 03:31 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

Hey look if they wanna throw in Votto I'm listening. He does have soemthing like a 20-year contract tho, makes a little unrealistic from Fred's POV

Edgy MD Aug 01 2016 03:36 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

Yup, signed through 2024, but it's more affordable than some, controlling a productive hitter at $25 million per, as we're approaching the era when top hitters are going to get $40 million. The trick, of corpus, is him continuing to be something resembling a top hitter. Also, he achieves 5-and-10 status at the end of the season, so the Reds are motivated sellers. If Duda returns to form or the Mets continue to bank on Smith, they can flip Giuseppe at the end of the season. But as Keef insists that Céspedes is a cleanup hitter faking it as a #3, Vottiisimo would slot nicely into that spot in the lineup.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 01 2016 03:38 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

That would shock the world, of course it might cost you something beyond Zimmo and Cecchini. Reds may as well throw in Zach Cosart if we're going that far.

Frayed Knot Aug 01 2016 03:48 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

I hadn't realized that Jay Caitlin (as CF insisted a while back is the proper form of address in order to stay in good terms with the politically correct crowd) is signed for next season (at the reasonably reasonable number of $13 mil) which changes things slightly, but so do his numbers over the last three seasons combined which aren't nearly as attractive as just this year alone: .233/.295/.446 I'd prefer to spend our limited resources on something we don't have right now [speed, leadoff skillz] and lefty-hitting corner OFs with power potential who K a lot isn't exactly in short supply in Queens these days.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 01 2016 03:49 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

So if have this straight its one vote for Bruce, 5 or 6 no-I'm-too-scareds and one only if Joey Votto comes too? I think what they have is an option at 13 millz. If everyone's unimpressed after a few months you can reject that option, or take it and flip the crap out of him.

Frayed Knot Aug 01 2016 03:52 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

Hot off the press at MLB.com: 'Mariners near deal for Cozart'

soupcan Aug 01 2016 04:01 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

I don't think it's necessary.

sharpie Aug 01 2016 04:13 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

If I read in the next few hours that the Mets had traded for Jay Bruce I'd be pretty happy, 'specially with the notion of putting him at first base.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 01 2016 04:31 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

Buster: "Mets on the verge of acquiring Jay Bruce"

cooby Aug 01 2016 04:34 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: So if have this straight its one vote for Bruce, 5 or 6 no-I'm-too-scareds and one only if Joey Votto comes too? I think what they have is an option at 13 millz. If everyone's unimpressed after a few months you can reject that option, or take it and flip the crap out of him. Well that's true too. He could make a good trade for us later

Frayed Knot Aug 01 2016 04:43 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

Buster: "Mets on the verge of acquiring Jay Bruce" Joel Sherman: Deal, if it happens, likely to include Nimmo, but no Rosario, no Conforto

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 01 2016 04:47 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

Zimmo and two lower-level prospects for the national League's RBI leader. Done deal I believe

Mets Guy in Michigan Aug 01 2016 04:59 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Zimmo and two lower-level prospects for the national League's RBI leader. Done deal I believe I couldn't argue with that.I also don't know why the Reds would make that deal. Do we have a new ETA on Duda? I imagine this would mean Loney to the bench?

Edgy MD Aug 01 2016 05:00 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

Well, RBI are certainly what the team needs, but there goes our leadoff hitter of the near future. Hurry back, José Reyes.

TransMonk Aug 01 2016 05:02 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

Great. Move one of our more productive players (one of the ones we got for FREE) to the bench. Loney is out OPSing all of our other starters save Cespedes (granted, in half the ABs in some instances). I would be thumbs down on this move.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 01 2016 05:05 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

I liked Zimmo myself but the rest of the Mets season just got pretty interesting. No sooner had this been announced came a reminder that club is also still in on Lucroy. They say Bruce will be the regular RF with Grandy/Conforto sharing CF.

Ceetar Aug 01 2016 05:06 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

Has there been realistic talk about Bruce to first? doesn't look like he really plays there at all. I guess we'll see what happens. Don't really love it. Bruce isn't really that good especially if to play him you have to sit down guys that aren't bad. And if this means Grandy/Conforto in CF you're definitely taking a hit defensively, and Bruce's numbers suck there.

Edgy MD Aug 01 2016 05:13 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

All true. But giving up defense for offense is one of things teams making late kick to get back into the race find themselves doing. I mean, some team last year convinced themselves that Yoenis Céspedes was a center fielder. The crazy thing is that it worked ... until it didn't.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 01 2016 05:16 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

Ceetar wrote: Has there been realistic talk about Bruce to first? doesn't look like he really plays there at all. 3 games in 2014. and i would not worry even a little about Loney. He will get his time.

Mets Guy in Michigan Aug 01 2016 05:19 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

If he's staying in the outfield, this must mean the end of DeAza, no?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 01 2016 05:19 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

An abrupt end to the Legend of Nimmo, to be sure. I feel like we just spent years waiting for a roast to cook, pulled it from the oven just as it was approaching done-ness, then turned around and flipped it for a day-old steakhouse burger. Like, it used to be delectable, but now... well, I guess it's calories. Not a fan of this, really. He's got power, but really, that's ALL he has. Also, two first names? WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO HIDE, MR. FAKE NAME??!?

TransMonk Aug 01 2016 05:22 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

Crasnick and Carig say Bruce a done deal for Nimmo and two lower prospects pending physicals. Depending on the lower prospects, I can be OK with this deal since I think Nimmo's ceiling is likely not what Bruce will provide this year and next, but I don't think Bruce fills a glaring need in 2016, so I still scratch my head a little.

Edgy MD Aug 01 2016 05:26 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: An abrupt end to the Legend of Nimmo, to be sure. I feel like we just spent years waiting for a roast to cook, pulled it from the oven just as it was approaching done-ness, then turned around and flipped it for a day-old steakhouse burger. Like, it used to be delectable, but now... well, I guess it's calories. I wonder how the development staff feels at a time like this. Imagine the number of endless Nimmo meetings they've had over the years!

Centerfield Aug 01 2016 05:35 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

I guess we'll be talking about him a lot longer than a couple of hours. Like I mentioned, not high on Bruce, but Nimmo didn't seem like a high price to pay for someone with 25 HR's and 80 RBI. Hope he doesn't make us pay later. Welcome to NY Jay Bruce. Is he a good guy at least?

Ceetar Aug 01 2016 05:45 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Ceetar wrote: Has there been realistic talk about Bruce to first? doesn't look like he really plays there at all. 3 games in 2014. and i would not worry even a little about Loney. He will get his time. was thinking of Granderson and Conforto's potential more specifically. Mets Guy in Michigan wrote: If he's staying in the outfield, this must mean the end of DeAza, no? half the PA, but De Aza's outhit Bruce over the last 30 days.

soupcan Aug 01 2016 05:46 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

Possible medical issue holding up finalization of trade. Stay tuned...

Centerfield Aug 01 2016 05:47 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

This year has really caused me to re-think whether being able to hit with RISP is an actual skill. I always assumed this was just a stat of correlation rather than actual ability. Only this year's Mets have me thinking whether there is something to it. In any event, Jay Bruce with RISP 2016: .360 BA, 1.125 OPS 2015: .180 BA, .642 OPS 2014: .242 BA, .746 OPS 2013: .262 BA, .825 OPS So either it's a random stat, or he was ok at it, then got really bad, and practiced, and got really good at it this year. Hope he doesn't forget it.

TransMonk Aug 01 2016 05:47 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

Centerfield Aug 01 2016 05:48 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

Did Brandon Nimmo start crying?

TransMonk Aug 01 2016 06:02 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

soupcan Aug 01 2016 06:07 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

Oh BFD. Give 'em another one.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 01 2016 06:09 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

Twits say the prospects are A level pitchers Chris Flexen and Max Wotell. Also word is they're working on a solution. So, all you Wotell fans can relax. This is gonna be a hell of an afternoon.

sharpie Aug 01 2016 06:15 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

Apparently something to do with Nimmo's foot.

Lefty Specialist Aug 01 2016 06:41 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

Dunno, I see Bruce as a kind of redundancy. There are too many outfielders already, and a Cespedes/Granderson/Bruce outfield is scary beyond belief. I was hoping they'd shop Neil Walker for something to restock the farm with, then bring up Dilson, who's rotting in Vegas.

Ceetar Aug 01 2016 06:49 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

Lefty Specialist wrote: Dunno, I see Bruce as a kind of redundancy. There are too many outfielders already, and a Cespedes/Granderson/Bruce outfield is scary beyond belief. I was hoping they'd shop Neil Walker for something to restock the farm with, then bring up Dilson, who's rotting in Vegas. Walker's decent and they're gonna, CBA-willing, get a comp pick for him next year to restock with. I'd have liked to see Dilson a billion times by now though.

Nymr83 Aug 01 2016 06:56 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

very redundant with what we have - but if the prospect cost isnt too high it is a smart move to hedge against Cespedes walking for NEXT year.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 01 2016 07:04 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

sharpie wrote: Apparently something to do with Nimmo's foot. Apparently, it's Flexen's arm. He needs to do more flexin'

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 01 2016 07:35 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

Buster says deal back on; but, no Lucroy for Mets.

Frayed Knot Aug 01 2016 07:38 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

Sherman says the same. Were able to reconfigure the deal which is now 'On the verge' of completion. Also says that there's likely a separate smallish deal for relief help.

Frayed Knot Aug 01 2016 07:40 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

Rosenthal: Deal for Bruce [u:xchyrtpi]IS DONE[/u:xchyrtpi], for Nimmo and ... DILSON HERRERA, and a 3rd prospect.

Vic Sage Aug 01 2016 07:43 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

well THAT sucks. Its one thing to include Herrera in a deal for an all-star catcher, and quite another to give him away in a deal for a 1-dimensional power bat.

Zvon Aug 01 2016 07:43 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

ahh shit. OE: Don't like parting with Dilson in this trade.

bmfc1 Aug 01 2016 07:50 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

Nimmo stays, which deserves a smile if not a point to the sky.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 01 2016 07:52 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

Frayed Knot wrote: Rosenthal: Deal for Bruce IS DONE, for Nimmo and ... DILSON HERRERA, and a 3rd prospect. Not Nimmo but Herrera +. Lucroy to the Rangers, evidently.

seawolf17 Aug 01 2016 07:53 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

If you're going to include Herrera, you should have asked for Brandon Phillips too.

seawolf17 Aug 01 2016 07:57 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

seawolf17 wrote: If you're going to include Herrera, you should have asked for Brandon Phillips too. Scratch that, my bad. It's Herrera INSTEAD of Nimmo.

Frayed Knot Aug 01 2016 07:58 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

seawolf17 wrote: seawolf17 wrote: If you're going to include Herrera, you should have asked for Brandon Phillips too. Scratch that, my bad. It's Herrera INSTEAD of Nimmo. Yeah, that was mostly my fault jumping the gun. New info (Jonathan Mayo) says Herrera and Max Wotell, no 3rd player.

Zvon Aug 01 2016 08:01 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

Oh. I still don't think I like this. I thought Dilson was a good future piece. Actually, I'd have had him up for good by now. Is this talk of an arm included true?

seawolf17 Aug 01 2016 08:02 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

Zvon wrote: Oh. I still don't think I like this. I thought Dilson was a good future piece. Actually, I'd have had him up for good by now. Is this talk of an arm included true? I would hope they would include his arms or else this is a bad trade.

Vic Sage Aug 01 2016 08:05 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

i like Herrera's potential upside more than Nimmo. I don't like the deal, but it might give us a little boost this year. Still, without a Lucroy deal (or similar), this is too little and too much.

Zvon Aug 01 2016 08:06 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

seawolf17 wrote: Zvon wrote: Oh. I still don't think I like this. I thought Dilson was a good future piece. Actually, I'd have had him up for good by now. Is this talk of an arm included true? I would hope they would include his arms or else this is a bad trade. Whew. lmao

Edgy MD Aug 01 2016 08:07 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

Much better with Dilson but not Nimrod, I think. Dilson is a talent, but the Mets have some redundancy in middle infield prospects, and currently have three older middle infield vets under contract — and one younger one if you count Flores. This deal can help streamline the transition, and the Mets should know more than other teams about who to deal off and who to keep among Rosario, Cecchini, Herrera, Carpio, Ramos, Reynolds, Giminez, Guillorme, Guerrero, etc.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 01 2016 08:09 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

Makes the outfield situation even weirder tho. Players who get traded tend to get traded....

Centerfield Aug 01 2016 08:11 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

Yeah, I'm not ok with this at all for Dilson Herrera. Wow. What the fuck Sandy.

Frayed Knot Aug 01 2016 08:12 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

So look at it this way: Nimmo was probably crying earlier but now he's not and is destined to hit a game-winning HR tonight.

Edgy MD Aug 01 2016 08:13 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

Centerfield wrote: Yeah, I'm not ok with this at all for Dilson Herrera. Wow. What the fuck Sandy. It's the game. Trading sucks.

Mets Guy in Michigan Aug 01 2016 08:15 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

Frayed Knot wrote: So look at it this way: Nimmo was probably crying earlier but now he's not and is destined to hit a game-winning HR tonight. Bad ass! Now, does all this mess up Travis? Does he get pissed that his name was dangled out there so much and potentially traded for a better catcher? Or does this motivate him?

Ceetar Aug 01 2016 08:15 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

Mets were very down on Herrera.

Vic Sage Aug 01 2016 08:16 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

Edgy MD wrote: Much better with Dilson but not Nimrod, I think. Dilson is a talent, but the Mets have some redundancy in middle infield prospects, and currently have three older middle infield vets under contract — and one younger one if you count Flores. This deal can help streamline the transition, and the Mets should know more than other teams about who to deal off and who to keep among Rosario, Cecchini, Herrera, Carpio, Ramos, Reynolds, Giminez, Guillorme, Guerrero, etc. well yes, it's certainly better than Dilson AND Nimmo, and we do have more MI depth than OF depth. But i just think, based on his power/speed combo and MI glove, Herrera has a greater likelihood of developing into an all-star than Nimmo does. And i'm not in love with Bruce. He's ok as a supplementary move, not as the primary move.

Centerfield Aug 01 2016 08:18 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

So let me get this straight, the Mets lost their starting first baseman, their starting third baseman, and their starting shortstop. They've also lost the guy signed to fill in at 3B and SS while the first stringers are on the shelf. We lost our only true centerfielder, and we have so many corner outfielders, we talked about moving some of them to CF and 1B. We are down a starting pitcher, and could use bullpen help. All season long the offense has been plagued by all-or-nothing guys who strike out too much. And so, the solution here is to take our top hitting prospect and trade for Jay Bruce?

seawolf17 Aug 01 2016 08:19 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

Centerfield wrote: So let me get this straight, the Mets lost their starting first baseman, their starting third baseman, and their starting shortstop. They've also lost the guy signed to fill in at 3B and SS while the first stringers are on the shelf. We lost our only true centerfielder, and we have so many corner outfielders, we talked about moving some of them to CF and 1B. We are down a starting pitcher, and could use bullpen help. All season long the offense has been plagued by all-or-nothing guys who strike out too much. And so, the solution here is to take our top hitting prospect and trade for Jay Bruce?

Edgy MD Aug 01 2016 08:23 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

Well, wait. The team's consensus top hitting prospect is Amed Rosario. And he's not going anywhere. I think, within Metly circles if nothing else, and perhaps more broadly, the bloom has faded somewhat on Herrera's flower.

Centerfield Aug 01 2016 08:24 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

Ceetar wrote: Mets were very down on Herrera. It seems so. I just don't get this at all. It's like we're in the second half of the Cashen regime except we never got our championship.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 01 2016 08:26 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

Sandy said the fact we have Reyes for next year was a factor, as was versatility of Flores, availability of Cecchini, Reynolds. I wanted to see Hererra here myself but if they were truly going for it, Bruce cost them.

Zvon Aug 01 2016 08:30 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

Centerfield wrote: Ceetar wrote: Mets were very down on Herrera. It seems so. I just don't get this at all. It's like we're in the second half of the Cashen regime except we never got our championship. I got the feeling they were more down on Reynolds. I was thinking of Dilson at 2nd and Rosario at short a few years down the line, so I can't lump them together as interchangeable pieces. Wow, what a deadline day. It's nice when the Mets matter.

Centerfield Aug 01 2016 08:31 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

For the first time since Sandy started, I feel like he panicked. Thought he had a deal for Bruce, it fell through. Felt the need to get something, gave up too much. Wtf man. Dilson is TWENTY YEARS OLD.

Ceetar Aug 01 2016 08:35 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

Centerfield wrote: For the first time since Sandy started, I feel like he panicked. Thought he had a deal for Bruce, it fell through. Felt the need to get something, gave up too much. Wtf man. Dilson is TWENTY YEARS OLD. 2014-2016. Dilson Herrera gave the Mets 0.9 fWAR. Jay Bruce gave the Reds -0.2 fWAR.

smg58 Aug 01 2016 08:41 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

Herrera is 22, for what it's worth. That still makes him very young, but he has regressed in his second season of AAA this year and never forced the Mets to call him up. The bigger concern is that the Reds passed on Nimmo for medical reasons. Well that, and the Mets have too many left-handed outfielders.

Lefty Specialist Aug 01 2016 08:43 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

I could be okay with this if it was Nimmo. I am NOT okay with this with Herrera.

Mets Guy in Michigan Aug 01 2016 08:44 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

Michael Fullmer is looking great as a Tiger this year, but I sure did love Cespedes getting us to the World Series last year. Here's hoping Bruce can do that this year.

Centerfield Aug 01 2016 08:46 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

Does this mean you have to re-sign Walker in the post-season? FUCK MAN WE SHOULDA JUST KEPT MURPHY.

Edgy MD Aug 01 2016 08:47 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

Centerfield wrote: Wtf man. Dilson is TWENTY YEARS OLD. Twenty-two and a half, man. He's creepy old.

Frayed Knot Aug 01 2016 09:24 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

I never got the idea that the Mets are/were down on Herrera. You simply have to give to get and no trade is going to be pain free. smg58 wrote: The bigger concern is that the Reds passed on Nimmo for medical reasons. Well that, and the Mets have too many left-handed outfielders. My understanding was that it was a physical question with one of the minor leaguers* who was to go with Nimmo that caused the first deal to cave in - and so when the deal was reworked it morphed into Dilson plus one minor leaguer rather than Nimmo plus two. * specifically I believe this is the guy who we still have that we wouldn't still have if it had been Nimmo and not Dilson

Ashie62 Aug 01 2016 10:32 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

Nimmo was passed for Dilson. Thats not good for us.

Edgy MD Aug 01 2016 10:47 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

That's not really what happened. Nor do I see how it's particularly good or bad for us. Either the trade is a net win for the team or a net loss. Who wasn't traded doesn't really enter into it.

cooby Aug 01 2016 11:19 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

so did it happen? I've been swimming and eating

Chad Ochoseis Aug 01 2016 11:28 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

Well, if you get a cramp, don't come crying to me. The trade happened, though Bruce isn't in the lineup today. Don't know if that means he's on a plane right now or if he's sitting against the lefty. This is puzzling, given that we deliberately traded for a 2B in the last year of his contract to make room for Herrera in 2017. Herrera wasn't having an awful year in Vegas. If Céspedes' quad doesn't heal, the Mets aren't very good, even with Bruce. And if Céspedes' quad does heal, Bruce doesn't fill a need.

cooby Aug 01 2016 11:32 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

:) I see what I said. As I said earlier, Jay Bruce is my main point getter in my fantasy league so hopefully he will help the Mets this season. After that, we will see what happens. I like a guy to stick around a little; maybe he will do really well and like it here.

MFS62 Aug 01 2016 11:44 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

At least they didn't give up Don Rose and Leroy Stanton. Later

Edgy MD Aug 02 2016 12:38 AM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

Chad Ochoseis wrote: This is puzzling, given that we deliberately traded for a 2B in the last year of his contract to make room for Herrera in 2017. Herrera wasn't having an awful year in Vegas. I don't think the team traded for a 2b in the last year of his contract to make room for Herrera in 2017. I think they did it to have second baseman in 2016. That it left the job open a year later (vs. a multi-year deal for Murphy) is part of the equation, but that's a calculation a team can make independently of who they have. Wilmer can be there next year. Cecchini, Reynolds, or somebody else. The system is healthy up the middle.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 02 2016 06:09 AM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

Centerfield wrote: Does this mean you have to re-sign Walker in the post-season? FUCK MAN WE SHOULDA JUST KEPT MURPHY. Um, yeah. Would have been worth considering. Met lifer, who-- more importantly-- seemed to have turned a corner offensively and was priced somewhat affordably... only the plan was to go with Dilson, so Murph was allowed to walk. Hell, we jumped for other options specifically because they wouldn't tie up second-- Zobrist OR Walker-- or too long, lest we blocked Dilson. And now we blow that up for a marginal improvement, at best? Alderson had never seemed reactive or jumpy to me, but, frankly, this REEKS of panic-move.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 02 2016 10:49 AM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

Hererra may have been first in line to succeed Walker/Muffy but that doesn't mean he was ever the only heir. Maybe I'm too optimistic of the system but I'm taking their willingness to part with him as an endorsement of Cecchini as the new Matthew Crawley.

G-Fafif Aug 02 2016 07:30 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

Jay Bruce, No. 19.

RealityChuck Aug 02 2016 08:13 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

I don't mind the trade, but it leaves us with too many left handed outfielders (and no good choice in CF) and a shortage of infielders.

Edgy MD Aug 02 2016 08:54 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

Well, I think it's injuries to three right-handed center fielders in about a week that has left us with too many left-handed outfielders (and no good choice in CF). The shortage of infielders is a byproduct of roster choices, and it's pretty much been taken care of by swapping Nimmo out for Kellybean.

cooby Aug 13 2016 01:21 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

Just replaced Jay Bruce with Andrew McCutchin in my fantasy lineup. That is significant, because McCutchin is having a terrible year and I have him on my bench most of the time.

metirish Aug 13 2016 02:29 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

Wow, people still play fantasy baseball...................and talk about it in the CPF???

cooby Aug 13 2016 04:31 PM Re: Let's talk about Jay Bruce for the next couple hours

just me I think :/