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Shall we also discuss Jonathan Lucroy?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 01 2016 06:13 PM

Word is Mets are offering Herrera and d'Arnaud, might also get reliever Will Smith or Jeff* Jeffress * whatever his real name is Now, this AND Bruce is how you take a crappy club and go for it.

TransMonk Aug 01 2016 06:27 PM Re: Shall we also discuss Jonathan Lucroy?

If a deal with Milwaukee was struck, the day would essentially be d'Arnaud, Nimmo, Herrera and low pitching prospects for Lucroy, Bruce and ML relief help. It would leave Sandy with work to do at 2B in the off-season, but I'd consider it a favorable day.

TransMonk Aug 01 2016 06:29 PM Re: Shall we also discuss Jonathan Lucroy?

Will Smith to the Giants per multiple sources...so the plot thickens.

TransMonk Aug 01 2016 06:35 PM Re: Shall we also discuss Jonathan Lucroy?

Andrew Susac came back from SF. He is a near ready catching prospect, so it is no longer likely that Milwaukee would need d'Arnaud if (when) Lucroy is dealt.

Vic Sage Aug 01 2016 06:36 PM Re: Shall we also discuss Jonathan Lucroy?

The TiTTS sayeth: "yea, verily, yea!"

Mets Guy in Michigan Aug 01 2016 06:44 PM Re: Shall we also discuss Jonathan Lucroy?

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Word is Mets are offering Herrera and d'Arnaud, might also get reliever Will Smith or Jeff* Jeffress * whatever his real name is Now, this AND Bruce is how you take a crappy club and go for it. Jeremy Jeffress, and he's good! Imagining him as the seventh inning guy, and we have a shut-down bullpen.

G-Fafif Aug 01 2016 07:49 PM Re: Shall we also discuss Jonathan Lucroy?

Lucroy to Texas.

Frayed Knot Aug 01 2016 07:53 PM Re: Shall we also discuss Jonathan Lucroy?

Lucroy to Texas. Joe Gallo reportedly in that deal. That's crazy. oe: and now it's NOT Gallo in the mix, but is Jeffress AND Lucroy for several prospects not named Gallo

Vic Sage Aug 01 2016 08:12 PM Re: Shall we also discuss Jonathan Lucroy?

Lucroy/Jeffress: that's the package i wanted the Mets to get (rather than or in addition to Bruce)... I wonder what Texas gave for them?

Frayed Knot Aug 02 2016 02:01 AM Re: Shall we also discuss Jonathan Lucroy?

Vic Sage wrote: Lucroy/Jeffress: that's the package i wanted the Mets to get (rather than or in addition to Bruce)... I wonder what Texas gave for them? CF Lewis Brinson - #22 on BP's mid-season prospect report -- 22 y/o, currently in AA, 1st round draft pick 2012 RHP Luis Ortiz - #48 on BP's mid-season prospect report -- 20 y/o, also in AA, 1st round pick 2014 So basically it's the equivalent of Rosario (#15 on BP's list) and another prospect that we don't really have right now that's a cut below Rosario. Or maybe just two random guys named Lewis/Luis would have done it, what do I know?

TransMonk Aug 13 2016 10:29 PM Re: Shall we also discuss Jonathan Lucroy?

Doing OK these days.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 08 2018 07:47 PM Re: Shall we also discuss Jonathan Lucroy?

Jon Paul Morosi of MLB.com reports that the Mets have had "some contact" with Lucroy's agent. https://amp.mlb.com/264332228-mets-cons ... ssion=true

Edgy MD Jan 08 2018 08:48 PM Re: Shall we also discuss Jonathan Lucroy?

Sheesh, bouncing up old threads from old, failed romances seems to be a thing these days.

Nymr83 Jan 08 2018 09:30 PM Re: Shall we also discuss Jonathan Lucroy?

This thread came back from nowhere, Lucroy - a recycled off-season name that does not excite me.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 08 2018 09:40 PM Re: Shall we also discuss Jonathan Lucroy?

Yeah, I'd rather take my chances with d'Arnaud and Plawecki and spend the money that would have gone to Lucroy elsewhere.

smg58 Jan 09 2018 12:11 AM Re: Shall we also discuss Jonathan Lucroy?

Yeah, it seems like a waste of resources.

Centerfield Jan 09 2018 12:17 AM Re: Shall we also discuss Jonathan Lucroy?

Am I crazy for being kinda excited about Plawecki’s strong finish? It’s sustainable!

Nymr83 Jan 09 2018 01:32 AM Re: Shall we also discuss Jonathan Lucroy?

I always liked Plawecki, but I've been proven pretty wrong so far.

Edgy MD Jan 09 2018 02:11 AM Re: Shall we also discuss Jonathan Lucroy?

Centerfield wrote: Am I crazy for being kinda excited about Plawecki’s strong finish? It’s sustainable! Both Plawecki and d'Arnaud finished strong. They may find themelves at an Ike-v.-Lucas point soon. I'd love to see them last together for years like Grote and Dyer, but that's not the way things tend to work out, and I expect one will be dealt off in a big Felix Hernandez deal or something.

Centerfield Jan 09 2018 02:42 AM Re: Shall we also discuss Jonathan Lucroy?

We really only need one of them to sustain that strong finish, but if they both do, that’s a nice problem to have.

A Boy Named Seo Jan 31 2018 04:47 PM Re: Shall we also discuss Jonathan Lucroy?

MLBTR sez the Mets might still be thinking about Lucroy as everyone seems to be ignoring him and his price could keep dropping. T'dA and Plawecki both had a nice finish, but so did Lucroy after he landed w/ the Rockies. Second half OPS: .777 August OPS: .862 Sept/Oct OPS: .868 Career OBP of .343 (was .345 last year in a decidedly bad year for him) and he turns 32 in June. He's also appeared as a 1Bman 47 times in his career, so he's a novice, but not a complete stranger to the big mitt anyway. Travis and Plawecki's career OBP's are .304 and .306 respectively... I would totally take a stab at Lucroy on a 1-year deal, but per Edgy's roster spreadsheet, neither T'dA nor KP have options. Lucroy made $5.25M last year and MLBTR predicted a 2-year/$24M contract for him, so I'm totally low-balling here, but what about 1 year, $6M deal, team option (or buyout) for 2019?? Try to sneak Plawecki to AAA? If Lucroy says no, then we say, "Best of luck to you, sir." What sayeth the Crane Pool Forum?

Edgy MD Jan 31 2018 05:02 PM Re: Shall we also discuss Jonathan Lucroy?

Mets Roster Central has been wrong about options before. Plawecki has split time between the majors and minors in three consecutive seasons. By the rules, he seemingly should be out of options. But there are mystery rules in there also, because some guys get a magical fourth option year.

smg58 Jan 31 2018 05:41 PM Re: Shall we also discuss Jonathan Lucroy?

If we still have resources after pitching and the infield have been adequately addressed, and he can be had on a deal that requires him to earn his spot, then maybe.

A Boy Named Seo Jan 31 2018 07:41 PM Re: Shall we also discuss Jonathan Lucroy?

Lucroy's power was down a lot last year, maybe simply because a bunch of his line drives and fly balls turned into grounders? If that reverts(?), he should be looking at 20+ doubles and 15+ homers again. Even if it doesn't, his .340 OBP would still look real nice anywhere in the lineup, sharing time with Travis (or KP when Travis inevitably gets hurt). Speaking of Travis, look like exactly 55 runners each tried their luck against Lucroy and Td'A last year, with Lucroy throwing out 20, while the incumbent nailed just 9. How about Td'A to Oakland for something? 2B/3B/SS Jed Lowrie get anyone's motor running? Lefty reliever Ryan "Rusty" Buchter??

Centerfield Feb 01 2018 03:58 PM Re: Shall we also discuss Jonathan Lucroy?

I think I might be drinking the Kool-Aid here, but am I crazy for thinking Plawecki's improvement might be sustainable? After his recall last year, he .303/.411/.476. OPS of .885. Only 76 AB's, but that's pretty good. His numbers in LV were great too. .328/.375/.514. Again, he started slow in April but then heated up as the season went on. That's 300+ ABs where he was a very productive hitter. And yes, I realize that the LV numbers have to be taken with a grain of salt, but he improved on his production even in LV. He improved his LV OPS by 57 points from 2016, and by 281 points from 2015. Sustainable!

Benjamin Grimm Feb 01 2018 03:59 PM Re: Shall we also discuss Jonathan Lucroy?

I do think that the Mets might be reasonably okay at catcher this year. I'd like them to spend their free agent dollars elsewhere, unless (perhaps) the signing of Lucroy leads to a Travis trade that fills some other need.

Ceetar Feb 01 2018 04:21 PM Re: Shall we also discuss Jonathan Lucroy?

Lucroy's bad year makes me suspect him anyway. His overall numbers look okay in the limited Coors time, but that's mostly because his swing % dropped and he walk rate doubled. His numbers with Texas last year are more in line with career. I doubt he randomly figured something out in Coors in limited AB. Of course, he K% was down from career in both places. Career high contact%, career low swinging strike rate. I don't know if that's an indication of anything good. Does he just need a change of approach or did he lose the ability to identify the pitches he can make good contact on? in any rate, I don't think the Mets could be fine how they are at C.

A Boy Named Seo Feb 01 2018 04:42 PM Re: Shall we also discuss Jonathan Lucroy?

Centerfield wrote: I think I might be drinking the Kool-Aid here, but am I crazy for thinking Plawecki's improvement might be sustainable? After his recall last year, he .303/.411/.476. OPS of .885. Only 76 AB's, but that's pretty good. His numbers in LV were great too. .328/.375/.514. Again, he started slow in April but then heated up as the season went on. That's 300+ ABs where he was a very productive hitter. And yes, I realize that the LV numbers have to be taken with a grain of salt, but he improved on his production even in LV. He improved his LV OPS by 57 points from 2016, and by 281 points from 2015. Sustainable! Plawecki was my #Pick2Click Spring Training MVP last year, but he didn't quite do the thing. He's always hit really well in the minors (.815 OPS career) and this will be his age 27 season at cheap rate of pay. I think he could be for realz. Td'A is gonna make $3.45M each of the next 2 years and this will be his age 29 season. Lucroy might completely suck nowadays, I don't know, but even in his most recent suck, he was still a pretty efficient OBP machine. I'd be open to taking a flier on him and trading Travis for something. The Pirates don't need a catcher, but the A's do. Maybe Travis for LOOGY Ryan "Rusty" Buchter and some minor league kid to be named later. Mets would save about $3 mils in that deal which will make daddy happy.

Centerfield Feb 01 2018 04:45 PM Re: Shall we also discuss Jonathan Lucroy?

I know we have a lot riding on Smith and Rosario, but I feel like someone (or sometwo) from the group of Nimmo, Lagares, Plawecki, Rivera and Flores is (are) going to break out in 2018. On Edit: And we shouldn't be giving these guys up for Josh freakin' Harrison.

A Boy Named Seo Feb 01 2018 05:19 PM Re: Shall we also discuss Jonathan Lucroy?

I want to believe in super buff Juan Lagares 2.0. That would be awesome if both ends of that platoon ended up happening.

Benjamin Grimm Feb 01 2018 05:29 PM Re: Shall we also discuss Jonathan Lucroy?

Me too. I'm looking forward to seeing if there's anything to this new improved Juan Lagares.

Centerfield Feb 01 2018 05:30 PM Re: Shall we also discuss Jonathan Lucroy?

I want to believe in super buff Juan Lagares 2.0. That would be awesome if both ends of that platoon ended up happening. Right? Could totally be the next big thing. Juan Lagares hits 50 HR's. Juan Lagares is seen dating Selena Gomez Is Juan Lagares' bat more valuable than his glove? We discuss on Loudmouths at 6 p.m.! Selena Gomez: Juan Lagares has a "big bat" Juan Lagares to cameo as poolboy on Desperate Housewives reboot Juan Lagares wins Celebrity America Ninja Warrior Juan Lagares exposes corruption behind CPF Tabloid Cover Derby

Edgy MD Feb 01 2018 05:30 PM Re: Shall we also discuss Jonathan Lucroy?

Centerfield wrote: I know we have a lot riding on Smith and Rosario, but I feel like someone (or sometwo) from the group of Nimmo, Lagares, Plawecki, Rivera and Flores is (are) going to break out in 2018. This is true. Although it can be argued that Flores may have already broken out, but we haven't fully seen the blossom because of playing time limited by injuries and opportunities. I'd add in d'Arnaud, Cecchini, Reynolds, and Rivera too. Bartender, potential breakouts all around. My treat. Tebow, too. Why not? It's February 1.

Ceetar Feb 01 2018 05:44 PM Re: Shall we also discuss Jonathan Lucroy?

Flores is what he is. A lefty masher. he's had his shot. I don't believe in Lagares anymore, but there's still potential he can be useful if he hits more HR, or takes more walks, and still plays elite defense. Nimmo is probably already good. Really the biggest hope of mine is not that Smith and Rosario are great, but that they're not bad. If they can be simply average (and Plaw/d'Aran too) the Mets will have pretty much no holes because the NL one. I think having real weak spots might end up being better for all around run creation.

Centerfield Feb 01 2018 06:58 PM Re: Shall we also discuss Jonathan Lucroy?

Flores had a .765 OPS against righties last year. Harrison, by comparison, was .745. I know speed and defense and stuff, but do you want to give away talent for a guy who doesn't hit as well as Wilmer?

Frayed Knot Feb 01 2018 08:18 PM Re: Shall we also discuss Jonathan Lucroy?

The Mets are going to have to make an Ike/Duda type decision with TdA & Plawecki at some point, but I don't think they're at that point now. Selling either now would be selling low and there's simply not the pressure to do so, nor is there an obvious upgrade candidate sitting out there just waiting for the right deal.

Vic Sage Feb 01 2018 08:19 PM Re: Shall we also discuss Jonathan Lucroy?

Frayed Knot wrote: The Mets are going to have to make an Ike/Duda type decision with TdA & Plawecki at some point, but I don't think they're at that point now. Selling either now would be selling low and there's simply not the pressure to do so, nor is there an obvious upgrade candidate sitting out there just waiting for the right deal. This. And as a rule, i don't like signing catchers over 30.

Ceetar Feb 01 2018 08:22 PM Re: Shall we also discuss Jonathan Lucroy?

Frayed Knot wrote: The Mets are going to have to make an Ike/Duda type decision with TdA & Plawecki at some point, but I don't think they're at that point now. Selling either now would be selling low and there's simply not the pressure to do so, nor is there an obvious upgrade candidate sitting out there just waiting for the right deal. maybe. Catcher workload being what it is, it's not as pressing. Maybe this doesn't happen with Gonzalez here, but the idea of putting a catcher at first against lefties occasionally, and the 12ish DH games make it a little less pressing.