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Centerfield Aug 10 2016 01:44 PM

I know that there have been some rumblings about not being happy with Terry. For me, the failure to challenge that Jay Bruce play at the plate should solidifies what we already know, and that is that Terry Collins is not equipped to lead this team. I go back to the Utley play in Game 2 last year, where they failed to say the "neighborhood play" was relevant. Terry should have thrown a shitfit out there. And I mean like literally he should have taken a dump on second base. The Mets got screwed like I have never seen but he didn't see it fit to stand up for the team. Tactical mistakes, mental errors, and the team just looks like shit. They gave Terry a 2 year deal. Which means this winter, you either give him an extension, or allow rumors to swirl about your lame-duck manager all next season. If it were me, I'd fire Terry now. And Kevin Long along with him. Shake things up. This team is going nowhere. Gotta try something.

Edgy MD Aug 10 2016 01:46 PM Re: Terry Collins

Centerfield wrote: The Mets got screwed like I have never seen but he didn't see it fit to stand up for the team. Well, there was the time Roger Clemens remained in the game despite unprecedentedly throwing a bat at a player without provocation during a World Series game. As far as historic screwings go. But I find myself riding the Terry era out, myself, so yeah.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 10 2016 02:00 PM Re: Terry Collins

I've been sick of Terry for quite a while now. Every silver cloud has a dark lining and the negative impact of the 2015 NL Championship is that it got Terry another contract. He may be a great clubhouse guy, but he's a terrible dugout guy and that's nothing new. I'm ready for the next guy, whoever it is.

Centerfield Aug 10 2016 02:03 PM Re: Terry Collins

That one too. But I don't think it was as obvious a call as the neighborhood play not being in effect. The rule states: The Umpire's judgment that a runner is clearly out on a force play at second base under circumstances in which the defensive player may or may not have touched second base in his attempt to complete a double play and avoid a collision with the runner. All other elements of the call shall be subject to review, including whether the fielder caught the ball, had control of the ball, was drawn off the bag, or tagged the runner. In this regard, a determination as to whether the fielder made a catch before dropping the ball while in the act of making a throw following the catch shall be reviewable. Murphy's throw beat Utley by a half hour. If there were two outs in the inning, Tejada had time to build a teepee on second base. The only reason he is whirling around is so he can turn the double play. And he knew he didn't have to be exact because the neighborhood play is in effect. It was just an incredibly stupid judgment by the umpire, and it is one that should have had Terry going bananas, calling in the other umpires, and just generally dumping feces all over the field. I mean, it annoys me that Don Mattingly comes out and pleads for reviews even when he's out of reviews. But given the choice I'd much rather my manager do this than to just sit on a valid review and hit the showers. Just inexcusable. And I'm not saying that going to Robles last night was a mistake. Shit like that happens. But I'm done with Terry Collins. And since I think the Mets have no visions of extending him, I think the time to make the move is now.

Lefty Specialist Aug 10 2016 02:23 PM Re: Terry Collins

I think Terry's done after this year. They won't snag a wild card and that'll be the excuse.

Ceetar Aug 10 2016 02:28 PM Re: Terry Collins

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I've been sick of Terry for quite a while now. Every silver cloud has a dark lining and the negative impact of the 2015 NL Championship is that it got Terry another contract. He may be a great clubhouse guy, but he's a terrible dugout guy and that's nothing new. I'm ready for the next guy, whoever it is. He's a middling dugout guy. Maybe better than that if you're just comparing it to the other 29 guys and not to theory. I liked, for the most part, how he managed late last year and in the playoffs, but surprisingly that probably speaks to the quality of the team. Easier to look good when you're playing with higher probabilities because good moves turn out much better than they do on bat teams, making even your good process look bad because of results and lack of talent. Take last night. Many kill the Mets/Collins for 'playing short'. So having a guy like Ty Kelly on the bench to pinch hit for d'Arnaud, which I vehemently disagree with, is what you play with a 'full roster' for. damned if you do, damned if you don't. But under no circumstances should they fire him now. They're not losing because of him, they're losing because of a ton of injuries and prospects that a lot of people had faith in not panning out. Firing him midseason might prevent them from doing the real due diligence in hiring a new guy. We might get stuck with a (probably downgrade) in Wally Backman or Dick Scott. I'd give it to Teufel myself, were they to release Collins right now, but even that is probably not the best manager the Mets can find for 2017. Mid-season replacement is how we got stuck with Jerry Manuel somehow.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 10 2016 04:27 PM Re: Terry Collins

Mid-season moves are moves made under duress, which usually don't work out too well, long term (see: recent dumb trades for "a big bat"). Whatever the next managership turns out to be, it shouldn't be borne out of shotgun marriage.

Centerfield Aug 10 2016 06:30 PM Re: Terry Collins

Sure. You go clearly interim route here and find the right guy this winter.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 10 2016 06:50 PM Re: Terry Collins

I don't really care for interim managers. I'd keep Terry until his permanent replacement is identified. If they think it's going to be Wally, for example, give him the job now. (Bobby Valentine was an in-season replacement who, if I remember correctly, was introduced as the permanent, not interim, replacement for Dallas Green.) However, if they think that a new manager will give them a better chance to salvage 2016, then yes, I guess they should make the move. I expect the interim guy would come from within the organization, someone like Teufel or Backman, and if they did go with one of those two then they'd likely get the permanent job over the winter (unless their term was disastrous). However it shakes out, though, I want someone else running the team in Port St. Lucie next year. I'm certain of that.

Edgy MD Aug 10 2016 06:52 PM Re: Terry Collins

I tend to think that, under current league hiring guidelines, a team is almost required to do the full dog-and-pony show. So even if they were fully committed to Backman or Teufel or Dick Scott or whoever, they would name him as an interim initially before making him permanent in the offseason. I think a team in their position ought to have had their designated replacement lined up by now. Maybe they do, and Bob Geren left because he had come to realized it wasn't him.

Mets Guy in Michigan Aug 10 2016 07:06 PM Re: Terry Collins

I think that managers sometimes get scapegoated when there are struggles. Terry's the defending National League champ and the team has been absolutely gutted by injuries. Even the guys brought in to replace the guy who had injuries now have injuries. It's like losing two tires and the battery on your car and someone is yelling at the driver to go faster. It's not the driver's fault. Terry has made some moves recently that backfired and cost the teams some games. No doubt about it. He might even have over or under managed in the Series last year, especially in Game 5. But I don't know what he's supposed to do when so many players go down. I don't know what a new manager does differently that makes up for the injuries.

Centerfield Aug 10 2016 08:42 PM Re: Terry Collins

I'm not scapegoating Terry for the team's struggles this year. And I'm not saying injuries have not been a factor. Certainly this hampers a team's success no matter who is at the helm. I'm saying Terry should be fired because he's a bad manager. I said as much before this season, and the mistakes he's made this year have only bolstered my existing feeling. The reason I'm saying to do it now is that I feel firing Terry is inevitable (certainly I don't want to extend him). And sometimes firing a manager can shake up and wake up a team. This team has been hit by injuries, yes, but there is enough talent out there to capture a wild card. And they are not playing up to that talent.

bmfc1 Aug 10 2016 08:48 PM Re: Terry Collins

I've been in favor of #fireterry for years. He might be a good manager in the clubhouse (what we don't see) but he is not a good in-game manager. And don't take it from me, this ESPN "Insider" column has him as #27 in the game: http://www.espn.com/mlb/insider/story/_ ... -well-no-1 I wish that he retired after last season to "go out on top." I think that he has one more year on his contract but it's time for him to go. Teufel and Backman can platoon as manager.

Gwreck Aug 10 2016 11:29 PM Re: Terry Collins

The Mets had a 6 run lead in Game 3 of the WS and he used Reed, Clippard and Familia when he could reasonably expect to need all 3 of them in much higher leverage situations over the next 2 days. Still unhappy about that.

Nymr83 Aug 11 2016 04:25 AM Re: Terry Collins

I would fire him - his in-game management seems even worse this year. Just looking at the on-field stuff, I think a bad manager takes away a lot more than a good manager gives. Terry is now in the bad camp and the only reason you might not think so is that other recent managers like Wee Willie Small Ball were worse.

Edgy MD Aug 11 2016 01:35 PM Re: Terry Collins

All I look for from a manager is a team of guys trying to find an edge, exploit weaknesses, control the game situation rather than their just their own outcomes. I'm not seeing that.

Ashie62 Aug 11 2016 05:14 PM Re: Terry Collins

Maybe Sandy will pull the plug if we go under .500 Sandy may not be that safe either.

TransMonk Aug 11 2016 08:47 PM Re: Terry Collins

I've got no problems with Sandy.

Mets Guy in Michigan Aug 11 2016 08:58 PM Re: Terry Collins

TransMonk wrote: I've got no problems with Sandy. Me neither.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 11 2016 08:58 PM Re: Terry Collins

I'm okay with Mr. Alderson. It's Mr. Collins who I'd like to see get dismissed.

Vic Sage Aug 11 2016 09:17 PM Re: Terry Collins

i've never been a big "fire Terry" guy, but he seems dispirited and lost at this point. Pulling the plug now would be a mercy killing. Nobody they name now is going to make a bit of difference this year... we've been a sub-.500 team for over the past 1/2 season [80 gms], and you are exactly what your record says you are. But a move might change the mood around the team and could help the younger players relax a bit and give us a better look at what we have for next year. I don't want a guy desperately trying t salvage this season, playing vets over kids to eke out a win here or there. At this point, i want a guy whose sole job is to put our kids in positions to be successful. Bring up Rosario and Hererr... um, i mean, Cecchini. Give Dom Smith a look-see. Next man up; let's go!

Edgy MD Aug 11 2016 10:26 PM Re: Terry Collins

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I'm okay with Mr. Alderson. It's Mr. Collins who I'd like to see get dismissed.

cooby Aug 12 2016 01:05 AM Re: Terry Collins

Go Terry! Just saw it

metirish Aug 12 2016 01:31 AM Re: Terry Collins

Vic Sage wrote: i've never been a big "fire Terry" guy, but he seems dispirited and lost at this point. Pulling the plug now would be a mercy killing. Nobody they name now is going to make a bit of difference this year... we've been a sub-.500 team for over the past 1/2 season [80 gms], and you are exactly what your record says you are. But a move might change the mood around the team and could help the younger players relax a bit and give us a better look at what we have for next year. I don't want a guy desperately trying t salvage this season, playing vets over kids to eke out a win here or there. At this point, i want a guy whose sole job is to put our kids in positions to be successful. Bring up Rosario and Hererr... um, i mean, Cecchini. Give Dom Smith a look-see. Next man up; let's go! now Agree, he looks like he can't find the answers , I like Terry but I would not oppose a change now.

Edgy MD Aug 12 2016 04:24 AM Re: Terry Collins

irish is back. Terry did something right!

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 12 2016 04:25 AM Re: Terry Collins

Saw Terrys rant today but very little of the last 2 games. We know he's not mad at Walker but whos he referring to running 45 feet and complaining of the heat?

Ceetar Aug 12 2016 01:02 PM Re: Terry Collins

metirish wrote: Agree, he looks like he can't find the answers , I like Terry but I would not oppose a change now. Well I mean, he knows where the answer are, they're just on the DL.

MFS62 Aug 12 2016 01:29 PM Re: Terry Collins

If "Terry Collins" is the answer, maybe you're asking the wrong question. Later

cooby Aug 12 2016 02:41 PM Re: Terry Collins

Edgy MD wrote: irish is back. Terry did something right! Hooray!

Edgy MD Aug 12 2016 02:57 PM Re: Terry Collins

Right? Anyhow, it was a good rant.

cooby Aug 12 2016 03:53 PM Re: Terry Collins

I actually thought I heard him mention metirish in there

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 12 2016 03:56 PM Re: Terry Collins

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Saw Terrys rant today but very little of the last 2 games. We know he's not mad at Walker but whos he referring to running 45 feet and complaining of the heat? Bueller?

G-Fafif Aug 12 2016 09:13 PM Re: Terry Collins

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Saw Terrys rant today but very little of the last 2 games. We know he's not mad at Walker but whos he referring to running 45 feet and complaining of the heat? Bueller? It was so hot Terry was seeing mirages.