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d'Kong76
Aug 03 2016 04:30 AM

d'Kong76 wrote:
cooby wrote:
I know I am prolly the only one here that has ever shot a gun

C'mon!!

I have guns.
I can't get a pistol permit. Gun control, I smoked pot and got caught with a big bag by some
Troopers on a pull over. Like 35 years ago. I'm dangerous.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Aug 03 2016 10:42 AM
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Grandfather had a bunch of rifles on his farm, we would shoot at cans. He was fanatical about safety. Once lectured me for riding my bike with one hand.


I am not against the vast majority of reasonable sane people who own and/or like to shoot guns. But I am extremely dubious about just about anyone who tells themselves they have a gun for "protection" or so as to join a patriotic uprising against the government. Bullshit. You have a gun because you like to shoot it.

That kinda shit has bred such a toxic culture of violence, paranoia and fetishism around guns and it sure as hell isn't making anyone safer. I'd go medieval on the second amendment and cripple the weapons manufacturers if I were in charge.

Mets Guy in Michigan
Aug 03 2016 11:16 AM
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My father was a police officer, so we always had them in the house when I was growing up. But I've never touched one, much less fired one. Don't like them, but I don't have a problem with other people owning them with proper background checks.

metsmarathon
Aug 03 2016 12:17 PM
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i've never fired a gun, and do not own one. i've turned down the opportunity to go shooting on a few occasions. i just don't have the interest in them as a recreational hobby.

that said, i'm really disappointed that i missed out on the training opportunity we used to have here at work to fire actual real m-16s at an indoor test range. go big or go home, amirite?

besides, i'm much more of an artillery guy than small arms...

my take on guns is much the same as jcl's.

if you own a gun for 'protection' and do not take the time and effort to keep it and use it safely and skillfully, then it offers you no protection whatsoever, and becomes in fact the greatest threat to your safety and well-being, in addition to those around you.

d'Kong76
Aug 03 2016 12:22 PM
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Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 03 2016 12:28 PM

Gun control is in full force in Westchester (first county north of NYC). It is very difficult
to get a legal hand gun and can take a good half-year to a year to carry. Even with that
permit, bringing your gun into NY City is a big no-no. In New York State if you get caught
with an illegal hand gun, mandatory one year in prison. Not pussy prison, the big house.
It is much easier if you live in Putnam and Dutchess County, the next two north counties.

I don't really need a pistol, I couldn't sleep last night and was kinda just responding to
cooby's post in another thread. I can't shoot a hand gun well, and would probably want
to shoot a skunk in my back yard which would likely end up in an arrest. Discharging of
fire arms is, ya know, illegal in my little city.

I think a lot of gun problems (the ones that make the horrid headlines) are more linked
to a growing mental health crisis in our country than a gun problem. And of course there
is no reason for any civilian that any reasonable person can come up with to be able
to waltz into a store and buy a military-esque weapon.

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Frayed Knot
Aug 03 2016 12:25 PM
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The grandfather's farm thing, mainly his .22 rifle although he also had an older, larger caliber one which he restored -- he and his brother spent a year or two in a cavalry troop as young men (that's right, the cavalry) so he knew guns and was also an excellent woodworker.
Also did a little supervised target range shooting in Boy Scout camp (again .22's) and shot some skeet a couple of times.
Never shot, or to my knowledge even held, a legit working handgun.

Neither was I one of those kids who lusted after a BB gun (Red Rider model or otherwise) which was good because dad wasn't going to permit it anyway. He always said that he'd buy a kid a real gun before he'd buy them a BB gun because kids don't take or treat BB guns seriously.
I've thought that under certain circumstances owning a handgun for personal protection would be something I'd look into, but I've never come close to hitting such conditions and would neither need nor want any kind of carry permit.

MFS62
Aug 03 2016 12:34 PM
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I shot a rifle (.22) when I was about 10 years old.
We never had guns in the house.
I was in ROTC and then served in the Army, so I have fired many different weapons.
(I can say what Donald Trump can't say,"My gun was bigger than yours".)

But I am a staunch supporter of gun control, especially automatic firing weapons.
If you have ever seen what can happen to a human body when hit with automatic fire, you would be, too.

Later

themetfairy
Aug 03 2016 12:35 PM
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I shot a gun once at a local range. I'm not opposed to guns per se, although I cannot see any justification for individuals to possess automatic or semi-automatic weapons.

Nymr83
Aug 03 2016 01:28 PM
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themetfairy wrote:
I shot a gun once at a local range. I'm not opposed to guns per se, although I cannot see any justification for individuals to possess automatic or semi-automatic weapons.


I think there is a huge misconception as to what "semi-automatic" means. nearly every handgun and rifle from at least the early 20th century forward is "semi-automatic" which merely means that a new round is moved to the chamber after firing - you still need to pull the trigger once for every shot.

Lefty Specialist
Aug 03 2016 02:24 PM
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Well, I don't think these military-style weapons should be allowed to be sold to the public.



You want a handgun, fine, you're more likely to shoot a family member than a burglar anyway, but knock yourself out. You want a shotgun to chase the deer away from eating your hostas, fine. But weapons whose only purpose is to kill people, not fine.

Even semi-automatic, you can do an incredible amount of harm in an incredibly short time. Every. pull. of. the. trigger. is. a. dead. person.

The benefit to society ("hey, look at all the holes I put in that bullseye") doesn't outweigh the cost to society (not just dead people, but wounded as well as their families).

But I'm of the belief that this is all pointless anyway. Guns are more important than people and that's not going to change.

cooby
Aug 03 2016 02:35 PM
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Sorry luvs, I didn't mean to ruffle any feathers. I just figured shooting a gun at a target was more of a rural past time and you all have more exciting things to do :D

But where I live hunting is still a major tourist activity and guns are just very common. I personally could never ever shoot an animal, let alone a human being (although when I worked at the bank I daydreamed alot..........)

We own maybe three or four handguns. All for target shooting. Haven't gone in two or three years. My aim has probably suffered.

My husband talks about keeping one handy for protection because where he works he makes some enemies or two, but we keep them on the top shelf in a closet on the first floor and we sleep on the second floor and honestly with all the fans we have running here, anybody could break in and take every stick of furniture in the house and we'd never hear it. And then come up and get us.

d'Kong76
Aug 03 2016 02:36 PM
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cooby
Aug 03 2016 02:37 PM
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Oh, we had a gun collector neighbor....we have a bullet hole in our garage from a shootout he had with the police late one night. In our very, very nice neighborhood.

You just never know, do you?

cooby
Aug 03 2016 02:38 PM
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d'Kong76 wrote:
d'Kong76 wrote:
I know I am prolly the only one here that has ever shot a gun

C'mon!!

I have guns.
I can't get a pistol permit. Gun control, I smoked pot and got caught with a big bag by some
Troopers on a pull over. Like 35 years ago. I'm dangerous.




KC....illegal weapons carrier :D

soupcan
Aug 03 2016 02:38 PM
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Don't own a gun but I've shot all kinds many times. Skeet shooting, target shooting, intramural competition in college, etc. etc.

I once fired machine guns, including a 1930's gangster style Tommy gun at a range in Vegas. Most powerful and impressive gun I ever shot was called, I think, a desert eagle. It was a .357 Magnum pistol.

I think about buying a gun only because it seems like everyone else has them and I don't want to be the only left who doesn't when we devolve back into the wild, wild west.

The one statistic that stops me though is the fact that if you have a gun in your house, the odds overwhelmingly show that the gun will be used at some point.

As to our constitutional right to own them, our founders wanted us to be able to defend ourselves against an oppressive government and militia. i get that. I don't particularly think it's necessary anymore but those could be famous last words for all I know.

I also realize that while the NRA may in fact see the logic in trying to ban assault weapons, they oppose it to stop precedents being set that further down the line could lead to a repealing of the 2nd amendment.

Ceetar
Aug 03 2016 03:42 PM
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ban 'em all and repeal the second amendment. Leave the guns to the armed forces (Though I'd at least half those as well).

We're never going to progress towards more peaceful 'utopia' while ignorant, untrained and angry people are running around killing people. And then there is the non-cops too.

The personal freedom reasoning seems to grow less worthwhile with each passing day. chalk it up to "This is why we can't have nice things" if you like, but the evidence is there that limited guns limits death and there's really nothing to me that's not worth limiting death. I'll have the same stance if/when we eventually start talking about banning human driving.

Zvon
Aug 03 2016 04:00 PM
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Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 03 2016 04:01 PM

I know I am prolly the only one here that has ever shot a gun

C'mon!!

I have guns.
I can't get a pistol permit. Gun control, I smoked pot and got caught with a big bag by some
Troopers on a pull over. Like 35 years ago. I'm dangerous.


I was busted in the early 90's on a pull over. A friend of mine and I were dickin' around and racing on the expressway after a round of golf.
They found a roach in a pocket of my golf bag. Can you believe that shit? A roach that may have been in there for years. Maybe not even mine. I was more of a pipe guy on the course.

One thing I learned shooting a gun so young. Some guns make powerfully big holes. They are deadly. They are dangerous. They kill. And they are easy to use.
After that I never had any desire to have anything to do with guns. I don't hold it against those who want 'em, but I have no interest.

At least I didn't. If we are going all Wild Wild West in the USA and everyone is gonna be packing then it becomes part of your daily gear. Watch: check. Keys: check. Smart Phone: check. Glasses: check. Guns: check.

Hey, I'll invent a SmartGunPhone and folks can walk around outside holding up, looking & poking at their guns.

d'Kong76
Aug 03 2016 04:01 PM
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cooby wrote:
KC....illegal weapons carrier :D

Not me! You know what they do to old bald guys in the big house?

d'Kong76
Aug 03 2016 04:09 PM
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At least I didn't. If we are going all Wild Wild West in the USA and everyone is gonna be packing then it becomes part of your daily gear. Watch: check. Keys: check. Smart Phone: check. Glasses: check. Guns: check.
Hey, I'll invent a SmartGunPhone and folks can walk around outside holding up, looking & poking at their guns.

The Motorola Sidearm6 ®, by Zvon

Zvon
Aug 03 2016 04:11 PM
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And admit it.
It's kinda sad to say but admit it.
Even as a boy with a toy if you had a gun strapped to your side you felt taller and tougher. I wonder if that type of conditioning has worked it's way out of childhoods. We were conditioned by playing cowboys and Indians and army in the great big outdoors.

Cripes, with kids and vid games these days, the reality involved in that (virtually speaking, but man, some of those games look as real as live footage) without even leaving the house, this type of conditioning might be even worse.

d'Kong76
Aug 03 2016 04:16 PM
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Zvon wrote:
Cripes, with kids and vid games these days, the reality involved in that (virtually speaking, but man, some of those games look as real as live footage) without even leaving the house, this type of conditioning might be even worse.

No doubt, when we popped a cap it was on an RC Cola not one in someone's
ass on Playstation, etc.

Centerfield
Aug 03 2016 04:27 PM
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I know I'm a bit extreme on this, but I think we should get rid of guns. All of them, except law enforcement.

I'm ok with an armed police presence at schools, public places, etc., but individuals have to give them up.

I realize that it's easy for me to say. I live in a safe neighborhood, and my building is tight with security. I imagine if I lived in a freestanding rural house I might feel differently.

But I say get rid of them all. Fast, before someone I love becomes a statistic.

Vic Sage
Aug 03 2016 04:44 PM
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Driving is a necessity for our economy. Gun ownership is not. But even so, car ownership is much more strictly regulated than gun ownership, theoretically because we have a constitutional right to gun ownership but not to car ownership.

But the interpretation that the 2nd Amendment established a personal right of gun ownership is a modern 20th century concept created by the supreme court and is not inherent in the provision itself. The historical record of the constitutional convention clearly shows that it was a compromise in protection of "state's rights" in order to get the states to approve the new constitution. At a time when the colonies were very afraid of another despot arising out of their new federal government, the states didn't want to disarm and turn over all military protection to a new federal government. So, "[u:1pcz2z84]for the purposes of maintaining a well regulated militia"[/u:1pcz2z84], the right of the people to bear arms was protected.

In the intervening 200 years, the states have ceded control over the US military to the federal government, even while maintaining state militias for safety and security issues that arise within their states. So i suppose if you are a member of a state-controlled militia, the 2nd amendment protects those soldiers' right to have guns. But the amendment was never about hunting, or personal protection. If anything, it was about the states' right and ability to protect itself from the federal government. The question is: do we still want to protect the right of states to engage in armed cecession or revolution? If not, then the 2nd amendment should be repealed and guns can be treated like cars -- a useful but dangerous tool that is subject to regulation for the protection of the public.

Otherwise, why not say the 2nd A protects all kinds of "arms". Machine guns, bazookas, cannons, tanks, long-range missiles... Remember, the only one who can stop a bad terrorist with a bomb is a good terrorist with a bomb.

And that's what this is about... domestic terrorism. There is a strain of our American culture that wants to maintain its ability to stage an armed insurrection against the federal government, as they once did 150 years ago. After that war, we should have repealed the 2ndA so we didn't have to suffer through another civil war or violent internal revolt, but we did not. Disarming the south would have been too difficult and would just have prolonged the war, so we left it alone. But the 20th century bullshit about hunters' rifles and pistols use for self-protection is a big con by vested economic interests in the gun industry. I don't give a shit if a hunter wants to collect hunting rifles, as long as they are not military grade assault weapons. And i also don't give a shit about somebody who wants to keep a pistol in their house because they're deluded themselves into thinking it offers them protection (rather than actually increasing their risk of harm, which it does). That's up to the person, as long as they're not carrying them out into the public, where other people can get killed. And as long as the rifles and pistols are registered so they can be accounted for, in case they're used to commit a crime or get stolen, and as long as the purchasers don't have a history of mental illness. I think reasonable people could find a system of enforceable regulation of firearms that met the needs of most gun owners who truly used them for hunting or home protection.

But this is not about reasonable people. This is about a segment of society that wants to keep the possibility of revolution alive, motivated and funded by economic interests who want to keep their industry profitable. In a democracy, though (or a republic, in our case), the majority can decide that both our history and current events give us more than enough just cause to repeal this outdated law and say once and for all that, if you want to change the government, participate in it, don't try and do it by force. We're grown up enough for that now, i think. Weapons technology has made every gun a weapon of mass destruction, so the cost is just too damn high to continue allowing the misinterpretation of the 2nd Amendment to keep us in a state of perpetual war.

Ashie62
Aug 04 2016 12:20 AM
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I shot .22 prone in high school. I loved it but I was primarily concerned about my score.

What got to me was the amount of unattended horseplay by others on the team. I am not a gun fan in any form.