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IGT 9/12/16: NYM@WAS -- The Rafael With It

G-Fafif Sep 12 2016 09:39 AM

The second Wild Card-holding Mets travel to the nation's capital to send a message to those first-place pointyheaded bureaucrats. Rafael Montero and Mat Latos are your starters, as unlikely as that sounds when stripped of context. Let's Go Mets, of course.

Lefty Specialist Sep 12 2016 10:16 AM Re: IGT 9/12/16: NYM@WAS -- The Rafael With It

Latos is a ridiculous human being.

Centerfield Sep 12 2016 11:54 AM Re: IGT 9/12/16: NYM@WAS -- The Rafael With It

Just gotta survive this series. After this the schedule lightens up. Come on Mets. Just tread water here.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 12 2016 12:06 PM Re: IGT 9/12/16: NYM@WAS -- The Rafael With It

Yeah, winning one out of three wouldn't be horrible.

d'Kong76 Sep 12 2016 12:12 PM Re: IGT 9/12/16: NYM@WAS -- The Rafael With It

I'm in a playoff mindset now and dont want to slip in and out. Win the first one and then we'll talk series or sweep. Show we belong in the hunt like yesterday!

d'Kong76 Sep 12 2016 03:41 PM Re: IGT 9/12/16: NYM@WAS -- The Rafael With It

Reyes 3B Cabrera SS Cespedes LF Granderson CF K. Johnson 2B Bruce RF d’Arnaud C Loney 1B Montero P Turner CF Werth LF Murphy 2B Harper RF Rendon 3B Ramos C Zimmerman 1B Espinosa SS Latos P

Ashie62 Sep 12 2016 04:34 PM Re: IGT 9/12/16: NYM@WAS -- The Rafael With It

Mat Latos does not scare me.

Lefty Specialist Sep 12 2016 06:14 PM Re: IGT 9/12/16: NYM@WAS -- The Rafael With It

Trump fan in the front row, eating fries from a basket.

Centerfield Sep 12 2016 06:22 PM Re: IGT 9/12/16: NYM@WAS -- The Rafael With It

Throw strikes Montero.

Lefty Specialist Sep 12 2016 06:26 PM Re: IGT 9/12/16: NYM@WAS -- The Rafael With It

Brutal. He simply can't throw strikes.

Ashie62 Sep 12 2016 06:26 PM Re: IGT 9/12/16: NYM@WAS -- The Rafael With It

Montero scares me.

Frayed Knot Sep 12 2016 06:38 PM Re: IGT 9/12/16: NYM@WAS -- The Rafael With It

Well, look at it this way: it could have been a lot worse.

Lefty Specialist Sep 12 2016 06:39 PM Re: IGT 9/12/16: NYM@WAS -- The Rafael With It

Incredibly lucky to only be down 2-1. 37 pitches. Sheesh.

d'Kong76 Sep 12 2016 06:53 PM Re: IGT 9/12/16: NYM@WAS -- The Rafael With It

Ashie62 wrote: Mat Latos does not scare me. His bat should! Just jokin'...

Lefty Specialist Sep 12 2016 07:01 PM Re: IGT 9/12/16: NYM@WAS -- The Rafael With It

Well, ballgame. That's the last we'll see of Montero for a while.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 12 2016 07:03 PM Re: IGT 9/12/16: NYM@WAS -- The Rafael With It

Let's hope Montero doesn't need to get any more starts this season.

Zvon Sep 12 2016 07:07 PM Re: IGT 9/12/16: NYM@WAS -- The Rafael With It

Lefty Specialist wrote: Well, ballgame. That's the last we'll see of Montero for a while. forEVER[/bigpurple]

Zvon Sep 12 2016 07:12 PM Re: IGT 9/12/16: NYM@WAS -- The Rafael With It

I would have run Montero out there for the 2nd but after the HR to the pitcher leading off the inning..that was it 4 me.

MFS62 Sep 12 2016 07:15 PM Re: IGT 9/12/16: NYM@WAS -- The Rafael With It

My kid caught Steve Blass Disease after being known for his excellent control when he was coming up through the minors. I had hoped that he might learn something from Bartolo. Didn't happen. Shame. Later

Lefty Specialist Sep 12 2016 07:28 PM Re: IGT 9/12/16: NYM@WAS -- The Rafael With It

Zvon wrote: Lefty Specialist wrote: Well, ballgame. That's the last we'll see of Montero for a while. forEVER[/bigpurple] Well, he might turn up in an orange apron at my local Home Depot.

Zvon Sep 12 2016 07:37 PM Re: IGT 9/12/16: NYM@WAS -- The Rafael With It

Lefty Specialist wrote: Lefty Specialist wrote: Well, ballgame. That's the last we'll see of Montero for a while. forEVER[/bigpurple] Well, he might turn up in an orange apron at my local Home Depot. Not if they give a mental aptitude test.

Edgy MD Sep 12 2016 07:45 PM Re: IGT 9/12/16: NYM@WAS -- The Rafael With It

I'm pretty sure we'll see him again.

Edgy MD Sep 12 2016 07:59 PM Re: IGT 9/12/16: NYM@WAS -- The Rafael With It

So who was for pinch-hitting for him in the top of the second. I wasn't paying attention at the time, but that would have been cool, decisiveness-wise. Washington getting some pitcher attrition of their own.

Zvon Sep 12 2016 08:00 PM Re: IGT 9/12/16: NYM@WAS -- The Rafael With It

Oh wow. With 2 outs to go for a decision. Maybe just a cramp. This may bode well. It can't bode worse.

Zvon Sep 12 2016 08:16 PM Re: IGT 9/12/16: NYM@WAS -- The Rafael With It

Edgy MD wrote: So who was for pinch-hitting for him in the top of the second. I wasn't paying attention at the time, but that would have been cool, decisiveness-wise. Washington getting some pitcher attrition of their own. With the tying run on 2nd Id be okay with that as well. But I know TC. He wants to know if Montero can find it. He wants to know what he's got. Especially after the guy does his worst. Collins seems to always give the player the opportunity to balance the scales. I kinda respect that as a character building thing. But this is not the time for such tests. You know what we got w/Montero, I know what we got w/Montero, by now TC should know what we got w/Montero. A Sept. race for a spot is not the time to be giving a pitcher with such a glaring problem a second chance. And as I said, I was also ok w/him starting the 2nd. But as soon as he gives up a gopher to the PITCHER(!), Terry gave him a third chance. I'm still a TC fan but he's gonna hear a lot of shit about this one. More than the Flores business and more difficult to deflect.

Edgy MD Sep 12 2016 08:24 PM Re: IGT 9/12/16: NYM@WAS -- The Rafael With It

I honestly don't know what we've got in Montero. I may know better today than yesterday. But it's folly to think things are cast definitively. We have a Bruce hit in captivity.

Frayed Knot Sep 12 2016 08:36 PM Re: IGT 9/12/16: NYM@WAS -- The Rafael With It

Yeah, good idea Dusty. At 2-1/2 hours for 6 innings this game was moving much too quickly, so switching pitchers prior to the first pitch of the inning was completely necessary when facing a switch-hitter with an 7-run game lead and a 9-game division lead.

Zvon Sep 12 2016 08:42 PM Re: IGT 9/12/16: NYM@WAS -- The Rafael With It

Edgy MD wrote: I honestly don't know what we've got in Montero. I may know better today than yesterday. But it's folly to think things are cast definitively. We have a Bruce hit in captivity. Then I should only speak for myself. But 9 walks in 10 innings (and that was before the game) and he's not on a short leash, he's got a tiny short noose to work with. IMO, of course.

Zvon Sep 12 2016 08:42 PM Re: IGT 9/12/16: NYM@WAS -- The Rafael With It

I had never seen or heard Gary laugh so hard. [fimg=400:2syfrrtd]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CsMpfEKUEAACfeb.jpg[/fimg:2syfrrtd]

Frayed Knot Sep 12 2016 08:43 PM Re: IGT 9/12/16: NYM@WAS -- The Rafael With It

Zvon wrote: A Sept. race for a spot is not the time to be giving a pitcher with such a glaring problem a second chance. Which leaves the question, if not him then who? This team has already gone ten deep in starters so it's either giving one of the other spare parts a second (third?) chance: Ynoa?, Merrett?, Niese is no longer in the equation, or give it to a completely new starter: Gilmartin? Smoker?

Zvon Sep 12 2016 08:52 PM Re: IGT 9/12/16: NYM@WAS -- The Rafael With It

Frayed Knot wrote: A Sept. race for a spot is not the time to be giving a pitcher with such a glaring problem a second chance. Which leaves the question, if not him then who? This team has already gone ten deep in starters so it's either giving one of the other spare parts a second (third?) chance: Ynoa?, Merrett?, Niese is no longer in the equation, or give it to a completely new starter: Gilmartin? Smoker? Unfortunately you have to go thru them and see who gets the job done. Who's next? I dunno. I liked Ynoa early on. Right now I'll just observe. And maybe pray. lil bit. I know one thing. We have a lot of arms on the team right now. If Terry wants to see what someone's got use onea those. Montero had all this potential, this promise, but that evaporated some time ago.

metirish Sep 12 2016 08:56 PM Re: IGT 9/12/16: NYM@WAS -- The Rafael With It

Bruce is diabolical

Zvon Sep 12 2016 08:59 PM Re: IGT 9/12/16: NYM@WAS -- The Rafael With It

Cardinals don't have a hit through 7 innings, they trail the Cubs 4-0.

Frayed Knot Sep 12 2016 09:08 PM Re: IGT 9/12/16: NYM@WAS -- The Rafael With It

Zvon wrote: Cardinals don't have a hit through 7 innings, they trail the Cubs 4-0. Now thru 8 Also Pitt losing and Marlins losing in addition to the Cards. Giants play late in SD. So maybe we'll survive tonight intact despite it all.

Zvon Sep 12 2016 09:15 PM Re: IGT 9/12/16: NYM@WAS -- The Rafael With It

9th here. We threw up the white flag in this one tho. We shudda stuck with Frampton.

Zvon Sep 12 2016 09:17 PM Re: IGT 9/12/16: NYM@WAS -- The Rafael With It

Frayed Knot wrote: Zvon wrote: Cardinals don't have a hit through 7 innings, they trail the Cubs 4-0. Now thru 8 Also Pitt losing and Marlins losing in addition to the Cards. Giants play late in SD. So maybe we'll survive tonight intact despite it all. The Cub pitcher is Hendricks.

Zvon Sep 12 2016 09:22 PM Re: IGT 9/12/16: NYM@WAS -- The Rafael With It

Which would have been worse? 8-1 or 2-1?

Frayed Knot Sep 12 2016 09:22 PM Re: IGT 9/12/16: NYM@WAS -- The Rafael With It Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 12 2016 09:23 PM

In St Louis: 3rd pitch of the 9th inning = HR by Jeremy Hazelbaker. And now somehow this all leads to Joe Maddon getting tossed from the game although it's not exactly clear why B followed A

d'Kong76 Sep 12 2016 09:23 PM Re: IGT 9/12/16: NYM@WAS -- The Rafael With It

Cubs no-no evaporates with a HR by Baker (I think)...

Zvon Sep 12 2016 09:23 PM Re: IGT 9/12/16: NYM@WAS -- The Rafael With It

WOW. Card kaBOOM in the 9th. Hazelbaker. WTF is Hazelbaker.

Zvon Sep 12 2016 09:24 PM Re: IGT 9/12/16: NYM@WAS -- The Rafael With It

Still 4-1 Us. OOOO, Maddon gets run. WHy?

Zvon Sep 12 2016 09:29 PM Re: IGT 9/12/16: NYM@WAS -- The Rafael With It

They just said Chapman hasn't given up a run vs. the Cards since 2011! Wowzers.

Zvon Sep 12 2016 09:39 PM Re: IGT 9/12/16: NYM@WAS -- The Rafael With It

I tweeted that too. Ha, what an idiot.

Zvon Sep 12 2016 10:34 PM Re: IGT 9/12/16: NYM@WAS -- The Rafael With It

Joe always has the best spin. [fimg=300:2pveakx8]https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s526x395/14333136_10154377251199333_6910037655182769989_n.jpg?oh=1b06ada6ec00f9009da7ead1a1f657b1&oe=5839B8C0[/fimg:2pveakx8]

Edgy MD Sep 12 2016 10:59 PM Re: IGT 9/12/16: NYM@WAS -- The Rafael With It

Well, he was sent from Bingo, rather than Vegas, and he ain't going back, because the season is over. /pedant I'm thinking the problem isn't Montero. It's taking the foot off the gas.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 13 2016 07:57 AM Re: IGT 9/12/16: NYM@WAS -- The Rafael With It

Cast your vote!

Lefty Specialist Sep 13 2016 08:04 AM Re: IGT 9/12/16: NYM@WAS -- The Rafael With It

Well, there's no real option for a 5th starter right now. Gilmartin? Ynoa? Pitch by committee? The total collapse of Montero has been stunning.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 13 2016 08:08 AM Re: IGT 9/12/16: NYM@WAS -- The Rafael With It

There's a day off coming, so the fifth guy can be skipped next time around. And maybe in the turn after that, deGrom will be ready.

Centerfield Sep 13 2016 08:22 AM Re: IGT 9/12/16: NYM@WAS -- The Rafael With It

Yes, or Matz. Serious question, what happened to Logan Verrett? I know I was down on him, but maybe he has some magic left for a start or two. Montero is puzzling. On one hand, I feel like he could still work it out. He seems to have good stuff. Low 90's fastball, a good sinker, and his slider moves. And we've all heard that he has, or at least used to have, good control. His problem seems to be mental. His fastball is 94 with movement. I don't know why he's so afraid to throw it. If he could ever get straight in the head, I think he could still be pretty good. The problem is, if history tells you anything, that guys who have this mental block have just as hard a time getting over it as someone with physical limitations.

Edgy MD Sep 13 2016 08:27 AM Re: IGT 9/12/16: NYM@WAS -- The Rafael With It

Yeah, I don't think the Mets have any reason to panic. They likely have deGrom or Matz returning, and if not, they have Gilly, Gabey, and Logey. I guess they thought he was close enough to effective thus far to try and give him one more shot. Failure happens, and they're blessed to have other options to turn to. As noted, the one early run and the lack of a will/ability to punch themselves back into the game concerns me more. If you want to be a post-season team, you can't just take the lickings from the best and console yourself that Minnesota is still on your schedule.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 13 2016 09:01 AM Re: IGT 9/12/16: NYM@WAS -- The Rafael With It

Montero is next due to start on September 18. If they skip him, and move Syndergaard into that start, then they won't need that fifth starter until the 20th.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 13 2016 09:01 AM Re: IGT 9/12/16: NYM@WAS -- The Rafael With It

Oh, and bumping this to the new page: Cast your vote!

Centerfield Sep 13 2016 02:10 PM Re: IGT 9/12/16: NYM@WAS -- The Rafael With It

Edgy MD wrote: So who was for pinch-hitting for him in the top of the second. I wasn't paying attention at the time, but that would have been cool, decisiveness-wise. Washington getting some pitcher attrition of their own. I was definitely for pinch-hitting for him. That's kind of the advantage of expanded rosters you know? But then again, I think I tend to be quick with the hook. I was all over Terry to pull him in the first. I think it's a miracle we got with only 2 runs. Inexcusable, though, to leave him in to give up four runs in the second. He have up a HR to the pitcher, then gave up a laser beam to Turner that found the bat of Reyes. After the double to Murphy, he should have been gone. Instead Terry left him in to face Rendon. This is not Jacob deGrom we are talking about here. If the kid has nothing, go and get him. It's September.

Ashie62 Sep 13 2016 04:53 PM Re: IGT 9/12/16: NYM@WAS -- The Rafael With It

The Mets look beaten. I'd can TC and Sandy after the season and start semi fresh

Benjamin Grimm Sep 13 2016 04:56 PM Re: IGT 9/12/16: NYM@WAS -- The Rafael With It

And what if they win the World Series? Despite their losing one consecutive game, it's still a real possibility.

Edgy MD Sep 13 2016 07:05 PM Re: IGT 9/12/16: NYM@WAS -- The Rafael With It

He was indefatigable, that Quitkowski. Unstoppable. No matter what came to pass, he never quit quitting. Those who knew him thought of him as a machine. While they were considering possibly giving up on the season, he was already quitting on the next one.

Frayed Knot Sep 13 2016 07:23 PM Re: IGT 9/12/16: NYM@WAS -- The Rafael With It

Ashie62 wrote: The Mets look beaten. I'd can TC and Sandy after the season and start semi fresh 10 wins in the last 14 got you down? not to mention moving from 5th in the WC race to 2nd

MFS62 Sep 13 2016 07:32 PM Re: IGT 9/12/16: NYM@WAS -- The Rafael With It

Frayed Knot wrote: Ashie62 wrote: The Mets look beaten. I'd can TC and Sandy after the season and start semi fresh 10 wins in the last 14 got you down? not to mention moving from 5th in the WC race to 2nd Don't interrupt him, he's on a roll. Later

Benjamin Grimm Sep 29 2016 07:56 AM Re: IGT 9/12/16: NYM@WAS -- The Rafael With It