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Skipping deGrom

It's NUTTY! — Biggest game of the year and they bump the guy who was their best pitcher up until 10 days ago for a washout who has fallen to AA!

1 votes

It's QUESTIONABLE! I mean, he's been bad twice in a row, sure, but if your alternative is Montero ...

1 votes

WHATEVER! Seriously, dude, whatever.

5 votes

It's DEFENSIBLE! It could blow up in their faces, in fact it probably will. But you understand why they may feel they have to try something. And if you're going to take a big gamble, you might as well do it on the day Fernandez pitches.

8 votes

It's the RIGHT MOVE! The way deGrom is throwing, he can't help us, and we've got to get him right for the stretch run! It's more than this game! And Montero looks like he may have totally found himself!

1 votes

Edgy MD Aug 29 2016 06:58 PM

I'm having trouble with this decision. It's courageous. It can even be called strategic — I mean when was the last time you think Miami looked at a Rafael Montero scouting report? But how do you justify replacing an all-star quality pitcher with a guy from AA whose career has been tumbling down hill for two years? The word most folks would use is crazy. [fimg=350]http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1703937.1393522944!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/gallery_1200/rafael-montero.jpg[/fimg]

d'Kong76 Aug 29 2016 07:04 PM Re: Skipping deGrom

All five answers work for me, so I'm taking whatever...

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 29 2016 07:04 PM Re: Skipping deGrom

I'm squarely in the "whatever" camp. I don't know enough facts to say whether it makes sense or not but I would suspect that they wouldn't be "skipping a turn" unless they felt they really had to.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 29 2016 07:19 PM Re: Skipping deGrom

I'm on team DEFENSIBLE! I think skipping deGrom makes sense. I just wish they had a better alternative than Montero but maybe he'll surprise everyone. In another thread I predicted (tongue-in-cheek) that he'd throw a one-hit shutout. I guess I was thinking of Aaron Heilman in 2005...

Frayed Knot Aug 29 2016 08:12 PM Re: Skipping deGrom

It's DEFENSIBLE They cited mechanical issues and potential fatigue as reasons, as well as pointing the second wind he's had following short rests in the past. And, after 13 runs and 25 hits over 2 starts/9 innings, it's not like you can just turn your head and say 'eh, it's just [crossout:clzq37em]one[/crossout:clzq37em] two of those things'.

Lefty Specialist Aug 29 2016 08:32 PM Re: Skipping deGrom

Defensible. deGrom looked like he was out of gas. Of course, Montero starts with an empty tank.

themetfairy Aug 29 2016 08:38 PM Re: Skipping deGrom

I was between Whatever and Defensible. If Jacob needs rest, Jacob needs rest. And we don't have too many options at the moment.

metirish Aug 29 2016 10:20 PM Re: Skipping deGrom

Whatever

TransMonk Aug 29 2016 10:35 PM Re: Skipping deGrom

Whatever. This team has a lot of 2007 in them.

cooby Aug 29 2016 11:23 PM Re: Skipping deGrom

I think it's a stupid idea. What's it going to accomplish?

Frayed Knot Aug 29 2016 11:55 PM Re: Skipping deGrom

cooby wrote: I think it's a stupid idea. What's it going to accomplish? Hopefully it'll keep him from having a third disaster game in a row.

Lefty Specialist Aug 30 2016 12:05 PM Re: Skipping deGrom

Well, they dodged the bullet.

Edgy MD Aug 30 2016 02:08 PM Re: Skipping deGrom

Shit, they dodged a laser guided ordinance. How strange that control was this guy's ticket to the big leagues, lack of control was his ticket back to the boonies, and he comes back up, walks six in five innings, but still keeps the other team off the board. I'm going to mark that one down as "not repeatable," but I'll sure take it.

Vic Sage Sep 02 2016 02:18 PM Re: Skipping deGrom

They should have skipped deGrom again. He's either throwing it down the middle or walking guys. He's probably bewildered, too.

TransMonk Sep 02 2016 02:47 PM Re: Skipping deGrom

Seemed to get behind on every batter last night. Tough to deGrominate when you''re consistently behind 1-0, 2-0 and 2-1.

cooby Sep 02 2016 02:49 PM Re: Skipping deGrom

Vic Sage wrote: He's either throwing it down the middle or walking guys. He's probably bewildered, too. Why I don't they should be skipping him. How's he going to work things out on the bench?

Ceetar Sep 02 2016 02:53 PM Re: Skipping deGrom

cooby wrote: Vic Sage wrote: He's either throwing it down the middle or walking guys. He's probably bewildered, too. Why I don't they should be skipping him. How's he going to work things out on the bench? yeah, the extra rest and days might actually have messed him up more than anything else, barring an actual pending physical injury. It'd be nice of the defense could occasionally bail him out of course, but at this point a healthy Cabrera's better, but otherwise it's probably a tossup between deGrom and d'Arnaud on who's the best defender ( per his position) on the field.

Edgy MD Sep 02 2016 03:17 PM Re: Skipping deGrom

But he did pitch better. It would be hard not to, but he did, certainly. The walks were partially a result of some squeezing. A little offense in the first seven innings yesterday would have gone a long way. He'd have left with a lead, and gotten the front half of the bullpen working for him instead of the back half and the same performance would have been framed as a meaningful step forward.

batmagadanleadoff Sep 02 2016 03:20 PM Re: Skipping deGrom

Vic Sage wrote: They should have skipped deGrom again. He's either throwing it down the middle or walking guys. He's probably bewildered, too. I hope that's kinda what it is -- that he has mechanical problems, rather than being fatigued and needing some rest. Because history sez that pitchers that are kinda run down in September don't recover that same season, even with extra rest.

Ceetar Sep 02 2016 03:24 PM Re: Skipping deGrom

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Vic Sage wrote: They should have skipped deGrom again. He's either throwing it down the middle or walking guys. He's probably bewildered, too. I hope that's kinda what it is -- that he has mechanical problems, rather than being fatigued and needing some rest. Because history sez that pitchers that are kinda run down in September don't recover that same season, even with extra rest. like Jacob deGrom, who struggled last September... ..and then pitched some great postseason games. Granted, a lot of that September struggle was luck whereas this August he's been a little more wild. It's just not always easy to see what's fatigue and what's just a little out of whack.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 02 2016 10:11 PM Re: Skipping deGrom

Mets expected to announce health issue for deGrom shortly, twits say.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 02 2016 10:35 PM Re: Skipping deGrom

Post says inflammation and will miss a syart. Terry still mum.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Sep 03 2016 08:47 AM Re: Skipping deGrom

Shit like this is exactly what erodes trust. Why lie/obscure? If he's hurt, he's hurt. If not, then, he's not.

Ashie62 Sep 03 2016 02:55 PM Re: Skipping deGrom

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Shit like this is exactly what erodes trust. Why lie/obscure? If he's hurt, he's hurt. If not, then, he's not. Tell it bro. The lyin Mets

Ashie62 Sep 03 2016 03:05 PM Re: Skipping deGrom

deGrom has been sore for months. [url]http://www.nj.com/mets/index.ssf/2016/09/mets_jacob_degrom_admits_arm_problem_not_an_isolat.html#incart_river_index

MFS62 Sep 03 2016 07:39 PM Re: Skipping deGrom

Montero is listed as the starting pitcher for Binghamton today. Why isn't he up with the big club? Five scoreless innings in his last major league start wasn't good enough to fill in if DeGrom (or Matz) can't go? Later

Rockin' Doc Sep 04 2016 12:59 AM Re: Skipping deGrom

The Mets great young rotation seems to be wearing out pretty fast. I would prefer they protect the young arms for the future, rather than risk further injuring them. When pitchers pitch with pain, discomfort, or mental doubts regarding their arm health, they are often prone to altering their motion and mechanics to avoid the discomfort, which can lead to ineffectiveness or further injury.

Edgy MD Sep 04 2016 04:33 AM Re: Skipping deGrom

MFS62 wrote: Montero is listed as the starting pitcher for Binghamton today. Why isn't he up with the big club? Five scoreless innings in his last major league start wasn't good enough to fill in if DeGrom (or Matz) can't go? Later DeGrom can go. Matz has already been replaced in the rotation. DeGrom doesn't need to be.

MFS62 Sep 04 2016 02:22 PM Re: Skipping deGrom

Good to hear. Later

Edgy MD Sep 04 2016 02:56 PM Re: Skipping deGrom

It's not lying. It's withholding. Too much information helps the enemy.

Centerfield Sep 05 2016 01:10 PM Re: Skipping deGrom

Jake may miss multiple starts according to Terry. It is what it is. So long as Seth Lugo stays healthy we should be ok.

Ashie62 Sep 05 2016 02:51 PM Re: Skipping deGrom

Everything happens for a reason?