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bmfc1 Sep 08 2016 11:37 AM

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 5m5 minutes ago Mets are signing Tim Tebow to a minor-league contract, an MLB source tells ESPN. Instructional League or Arizona Fall League next for Tebow. I never want to hear that the Wilpons don't have any money because even though this is low-risk and likely cheap, even if it costs them $5 it's $5 wasted dollars on a talentless piece of garbage. One scout saw him last week and said that he looked like an actor trying to be a baseball player... but Sandy knows best.

soupcan Sep 08 2016 11:47 AM Re: Tim Tebow

29 and going to the instructional league. Yeah, good luck pal, you're the next (baseball-playing) Michael Jordan.

Valadius Sep 08 2016 12:11 PM Re: Tim Tebow

Are there troubles at the gate in Kingsport or Columbia? Otherwise, I don't get this.

Mets Guy in Michigan Sep 08 2016 12:50 PM Re: Tim Tebow

[url]http://www.fox5ny.com/news/203455239-story I didn't see this coming. But I don't see much of a risk.

Edgy MD Sep 08 2016 12:52 PM Re: Tim Tebow

It's just a player. I know we're supposed to have polarized positions on the guy, but it's just a player.

RealityChuck Sep 08 2016 12:53 PM Re: Tim Tebow

It'll be a draw for a few weeks, and plenty of people will be showing up to see him fall on his face. It's not even an extra expense: the team will need to fill out their minor league rosters anyway, and why not do it with someone who might draw some fans (and certainly draw publicity)? I doubt he'll ever play in the majors except as a stunt.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 08 2016 12:53 PM Re: Tim Tebow

Really. If this makes anyone angry, it just means that they're looking for a reason to be angry.

Lefty Specialist Sep 08 2016 12:55 PM Re: Tim Tebow

Pointless distraction. I'm not angry, just that they've got better things to do. When he throws the ball in from the outfield does it drop short of the second baseman?

Frayed Knot Sep 08 2016 12:56 PM Re: Tim Tebow

I'm completely indifferent to this news except to the point where I find it funny that ESPN is still so wired into all things Tebow that it's their news/gossip geek Adam Schefter who apparently first breaks the news. Wonder if Schefter is next going to get a hold of Tebow's private medical records and put those out on the internet the way he did with Jason Pierre-Paul's? I hope he and the four-letter network totally get their collective a$$e$ kicked in court over that one.

metsmarathon Sep 08 2016 12:58 PM Re: Tim Tebow

i am thoroughly ok with this, and quietly hopeful that it actually develops into something. because tebow is a seemingly genuinely good dude who does not deserve all the bullshit that people give him for being a seemingly genuinely good dude.

Mets Guy in Michigan Sep 08 2016 01:00 PM Re: Tim Tebow

metsmarathon wrote: i am thoroughly ok with this, and quietly hopeful that it actually develops into something. because tebow is a seemingly genuinely good dude who does not deserve all the bullshit that people give him for being a seemingly genuinely good dude. I agree!

Edgy MD Sep 08 2016 01:01 PM Re: Tim Tebow

Lefty Specialist wrote: Pointless distraction. I'm not angry, just that they've got better things to do. When he throws the ball in from the outfield does it drop short of the second baseman? Getting an early start on the pre-emptive mocking. I doubt this ever distracted anyone from anything. Signing players to develop is always part of what they are doing no matter what else is going on. Half of the Tebow non-story is people getting distracted complaining about the distraction. I don't know that he'll be an outfielder, but I doubt he'll have the worst arm the league. metsmarathon wrote: i am thoroughly ok with this, and quietly hopeful that it actually develops into something. because tebow is a seemingly genuinely good dude who does not deserve all the bullshit that people give him for being a seemingly genuinely good dude. Hope! It's fun and doesn't cost you anything! Sign Usain Bolt while you're at it!

John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 08 2016 01:02 PM Re: Tim Tebow

Who cares? Just another Jesus-loving jock, although this one has 3.3 million Twitter followers. And not 4 nothing, he shares an agent with some other outfielder called Yoenis Cespedes

cooby Sep 08 2016 01:04 PM Re: Tim Tebow

metsmarathon wrote: i am thoroughly ok with this, and quietly hopeful that it actually develops into something. because tebow is a seemingly genuinely good dude who does not deserve all the bullshit that people give him for being a seemingly genuinely good dude. Totally agree

bmfc1 Sep 08 2016 01:07 PM Re: Tim Tebow Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 08 2016 01:14 PM

Lefty Specialist wrote: Pointless distraction. I'm not angry, just that they've got better things to do. I agree with LS. I lived through Tebow with the Jets. What's next, the New York Rangers? He'll never sniff Citi Field so what's the point? Perhaps it's Jeffy's idea to increase the Brooklyn attendance next year. As for his being a "good dude", that's debatable but I'd rather leave it at at that and focus on the how well the Mets are playing.

Mets Guy in Michigan Sep 08 2016 01:10 PM Re: Tim Tebow

Edgy MD wrote: Sign Usain Bolt while you're at it! Not like this hasn't been done before!

RealityChuck Sep 08 2016 01:21 PM Re: Tim Tebow

bmfc1 wrote: Lefty Specialist wrote: Pointless distraction. I'm not angry, just that they've got better things to do. I agree with LS. I lived through Tebow with the Jets. What's next, the New York Rangers? . Great! And then the Knicks! Maybe even the Liberty!

Frayed Knot Sep 08 2016 01:23 PM Re: Tim Tebow Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 08 2016 01:32 PM

Edgy MD wrote: Lefty Specialist wrote: When he throws the ball in from the outfield does it drop short of the second baseman? I don't know that he'll be an outfielder, but I doubt he'll have the worst arm the league. The whole problem with his throwing as a QB wasn't that his arm was so weak, it was that it took him so damn long to get rid of the ball. That wasn't a problem in college where he ran much more often than he threw and got away with it because he was generally bigger than the fast guys on defense and faster than the big guys*. But his athletic edge wasn't as big in the NFL and pro QBs need that catcher-like throwing motion where you just bring the ball back to barely behind your ear and get rid of it in a hurry otherwise you wind up telegraphing both when and where the pass is headed. I once saw a breakdown of Tebow's throwing motion and you may have to go to the PGA Tour to find a longer "back-swing"; in his case he brought the ball way to the point where it was pointed skyward and was back behind his shoulder blades before his forward motion started. IOW ... he throws like an outfielder! * and while I have no idea whether this guy can play baseball or not (bet heavily on the 'NOT') but holy shit that dude is huge and he's friggin' jacked!!

Nymr83 Sep 08 2016 01:27 PM Re: Tim Tebow

Edgy MD wrote: Hope! It's fun and doesn't cost you anything! Sign Usain Bolt while you're at it! If the 40-man roster were a season-long thing I'd argue there is a legit role for a pinch-runner. There still wouldn't be a role for Tebow. Pointless distraction. I'm not angry, just that they've got better things to do. its a distraction, but not a pointless one - the Wilpons need to maintain relationships with minor league owners and giving one of them a big shiny box office draw is a POSITIVE - just don't think of him as a guy who will ever sniff the majors and don't worry about it.

soupcan Sep 08 2016 01:33 PM Re: Tim Tebow

He's 29! Who signs a 29 year-old if not for the publiciity?

Nymr83 Sep 08 2016 01:34 PM Re: Tim Tebow

Tebow batted .448 with four home runs and 25 RBIs as a high school junior in Florida.

MFS62 Sep 08 2016 01:46 PM Re: Tim Tebow

I'm concerned about the distraction aspect of this. Spring Training next year is going to make Bingo Long and the Traveling Road Show look like a stamp show by comparison. If it turns out he can play, it will have been a good move. My first reaction was "Oh fuck, No." After thinking about it for a while, that may have been the appropriate reaction. Sandy, another lefty hitter? Later

Frayed Knot Sep 08 2016 02:00 PM Re: Tim Tebow Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 08 2016 02:02 PM

It's kind of funny that we're sounding like a bunch of football coaches by using their all-time favorite curse word -- "DISTRACTIONS" -- when discussing this. 'Distractions' in football speak meaning anything that the coach can't directly control and instantly banish. Look, Tebow's not even going to get to spring training unless he shows something in the instructional league where they'll have (what, about a month?) to evaluate him rather than the 1/2 hour or so in the group setting from last week. And if he does get there, when exactly did spring training become too exciting to where "a distraction" like the presence of T.T. will send us all to the clinic to have our blood pressure checked once a week? And if he then survives spring training and is offered a contract and decides that he's willing to ride the buses to find out where this actually leads ... well then just think about what an attraction the Port St Lucie Mets will be next April. Hell, they might just outdraw both the Rays & Marlins!!

Edgy MD Sep 08 2016 02:02 PM Re: Tim Tebow

soupcan wrote: He's 29! Who signs a 29 year-old if not for the publiciity? It's been done. And I've got nothing against Baseball Michael Jordan either. There ain't a lot of 31-32 year-olds who haven't played since high school who could start their careers in AA and hit .202. Good for him for trying.

themetfairy Sep 08 2016 02:34 PM Re: Tim Tebow

It'll be like having Garth Brooks at Spring Training. Some extraneous entertainment while the real players can focus on their jobs without undue attention.

d'Kong76 Sep 08 2016 02:41 PM Re: Tim Tebow

Dude's got muscles on his muscles, he can go into professional wrestling next if baseball doesn't work out!

Ceetar Sep 08 2016 02:59 PM Re: Tim Tebow

keeping my Twitter Tebow mute filter in place. Parade him around all the minor leagues desperate for ticket sales if you like. Hell, woo back bitchy Buffalo with him. I just don't need to hear about garbage publicity stunts in my baseball chatter.

Edgy MD Sep 08 2016 03:01 PM Re: Tim Tebow

Well, let me tell you about Champ Stuart.

SteveJRogers Sep 08 2016 03:30 PM Re: Tim Tebow

Well, at least this proves Murphy's views on the LGBT community was not a factor in him no longer being a Met! ;) It is worth noting that Tebow, Cespedes and some other Mets share the same agent.

d'Kong76 Sep 08 2016 03:35 PM Re: Tim Tebow

Yeah, I was gonna make a crack on what's his stance on gays but left it be. L'bucket mentioned the agent thing earlier, I wouldn't be surprised if someone in the Mets' org was asked to do another client a solid and give him a spin. I'm sure it happens all the time in sports.

Zvon Sep 08 2016 04:25 PM Re: Tim Tebow

Ha. OE: reaction to the signing^

G-Fafif Sep 08 2016 05:07 PM Re: Tim Tebow

Mike Glavine was a far more ridiculous signing.

themetfairy Sep 08 2016 05:21 PM Re: Tim Tebow

G-Fafif wrote: Mike Glavine was a far more ridiculous signing. Not exactly a high bar for comparison....

Frayed Knot Sep 08 2016 05:29 PM Re: Tim Tebow

Puma: “This is an opportunity for us to associate with excellence,” general manager Sandy Alderson said. “While I and the organization are mindful of the novel nature of this situation, this decision was strictly driven by baseball. This was not something that was driven by marketing considerations or anything of the sort. He is a tremendous athlete, has great character, a competitive spirit and aside from the age this is a classic player development opportunity for us.” He will report to the instructional league on Sept 18th - although will miss “a couple” of days each week in the instructional league because of his commitment to the SEC Network, according to Alderson.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 08 2016 05:31 PM Re: Tim Tebow

I totally agree, Mike Glavine was practically an insult to us, not that being 30 games out before he arrived wasn;t insult enough. Not because he was signed to a minor league deal, but because he got deployed without merit. Tebow, who knows? I think Sandy likes guys who use steroids without being caught so the NFL is a good place to look.

Nymr83 Sep 08 2016 05:46 PM Re: Tim Tebow

this decision was strictly driven by baseball. This was not something that was driven by marketing considerations you don't need to lie, Sandy.

batmagadanleadoff Sep 08 2016 05:59 PM Re: Tim Tebow

I saw this thread at about 9:30 this morning on the forum index. There were already more than 20 responses and I tried to figure out what it might be about. I thought that Tebow died, but that the thread was mistakenly placed in the Baseball Forum instead of the Non-Baseball forum.

d'Kong76 Sep 08 2016 06:03 PM Re: Tim Tebow

I like the agent-favor slant over the marketing-publicity-stunt slant. If today wasn't an off day I'd probably not even posting about Tim Tebow. Let's Go Brew Crew!

d'Kong76 Sep 08 2016 06:05 PM Re: Tim Tebow

I saw this thread at about 9:30 this morning on the forum index. I saw some alerts on my phone early and thought it was some kind of Onion-esque bit.

Edgy MD Sep 08 2016 06:22 PM Re: Tim Tebow

It's baseball, man. Not the NIH or the Pentagon. It's supposed to be a distraction.

Zvon Sep 08 2016 06:23 PM Re: Tim Tebow

I haven't read up on this, just saw the headline and thought: isn't that special. A sideshow. That's all we need. There's no chance he plays on the big club in '16, right?

Ceetar Sep 08 2016 06:25 PM Re: Tim Tebow

Zvon wrote: I haven't read up on this, just saw the headline and thought: isn't that special. A sideshow. That's all we need. There's no chance he plays on the big club in '16, right? there's no chance he plays on the big club ever.

Zvon Sep 08 2016 06:35 PM Re: Tim Tebow

Ceetar wrote: I haven't read up on this, just saw the headline and thought: isn't that special. A sideshow. That's all we need. There's no chance he plays on the big club in '16, right? there's no chance he plays on the big club ever. lol. As long as it doesn't effect the big club I'm fine with this.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 08 2016 07:01 PM Re: Tim Tebow

I haven't read up on this, just saw the headline and thought: isn't that special. A sideshow. That's all we need. There's no chance he plays on the big club in '16, right? there's no chance he plays on the big club ever. Well, it's very unlikely that he'll play for the Mets, but of course there's a chance. But it should go without saying that he won't play for them in 2016. There are only 22 games left. He can't possibly be ready to play before the season ends.

Ceetar Sep 08 2016 07:12 PM Re: Tim Tebow

I haven't read up on this, just saw the headline and thought: isn't that special. A sideshow. That's all we need. There's no chance he plays on the big club in '16, right? there's no chance he plays on the big club ever. Well, it's very unlikely that he'll play for the Mets, but of course there's a chance. But it should go without saying that he won't play for them in 2016. There are only 22 games left. He can't possibly be ready to play before the season ends. I was rounding to the nearest .001 percent or so, but sure very few things are absolutely zero. But this doesn't really rate much higher than say the Mets moving to Portland next season as something even worth discussing.

G-Fafif Sep 08 2016 07:24 PM Re: Tim Tebow

Benjamin Grimm wrote: But it should go without saying that he won't play for them in 2016. There are only 22 games left. He can't possibly be ready to play before the season ends. Sounds like the setup for the trailer to the new feelgood comedy, No Time To Wait, in which Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson portrays an aging pro football washout with a tremendous personal following who wants just one more chance to make it on the field...any field...and it has to be now. The baseball team he signs with, one that's been beset by injuries, find itself in the midst of a pennant race and desperately needs help, and doesn't care where they find it. Featuring John Slattery as the GM with just the right blend of crazy and guts to sign him and Modern Family's Sarah Hyland as the love interest who's cheering him on every step around the bases. No Time To Wait It's so crazy, it just might work.

Vic Sage Sep 08 2016 07:57 PM Re: Tim Tebow

well, you know, if it's like Sandy says, and this is about being able to "associate with excellence", then they could hire Tebow to be a coach -- an "excellence" associate -- for the balance of the season. surely that will get us over the hump, right? And that way TBone won't be taking a roster spot on the Fall league or Instructional League team that could be filled by an actual prospect who has earned it.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 08 2016 08:09 PM Re: Tim Tebow

If they want to associate with excellence, maybe they should also sign Adriana Lima.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 08 2016 08:18 PM Re: Tim Tebow

I think that when they want to associate with abundance. There's a difference.

Edgy MD Sep 08 2016 08:29 PM Re: Tim Tebow

I have no problem with the notion of who has earned what. Athletes have skills to sell, some they have been blessed with and some they have honed. I have no reason to believe his are worth more or less than Will Barring's or Hengelbert Rojas'. Nor any reason to believe there is some sort of hard limit on developmental league roster spots. Hmmm ... forty-nine posts and not a single D.J. Dozier reference.

Edgy MD Sep 08 2016 09:05 PM Re: Tim Tebow

I'm just remembering, besides Dozier, there was another all-America Florida-quarteback type who labored as a Mets minor leaguer for a bit. Gave up about six or seven years ago. And last I checked, they still hold the rights to NFL receiver Bradley Marquez

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Sep 09 2016 12:39 AM Re: Tim Tebow

TEBOW SIGNINGS MAKE LWFS FEEL: \_(ツ)_/

Edgy MD Sep 09 2016 02:49 AM Re: Tim Tebow

Also notable that two recent Met draftees -- David Thompson and Witt Haggard -- went to college to play quarterback but gravitated toward baseball when faced with a Division I depth chart.

Zvon Sep 09 2016 03:06 AM Re: Tim Tebow

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Rockin' Doc Sep 09 2016 04:07 AM Re: Tim Tebow

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I think that when they want to associate with abundance. There's a difference. Excellent abundance. Or abundantly excellent.

Edgy MD Sep 09 2016 12:14 PM Re: Tim Tebow

"The Mets may have signed Tim Tebow to play in the Instructional League, but you're not likely to ever see him in a Met uniform. Here he is in a Mets uniform."

Mets Guy in Michigan Sep 09 2016 12:45 PM Re: Tim Tebow

I listened to the press conference call on the way into work today -- it's on the SNY podcast list if you want to hear it -- and I thought Sandy and Tebow were saying all the right things. Sandy said he'll go to the instructional league then either a winter league or more personalized instruction at the St. Lucie camp. A spring training invite with the big club is a possibility, but not a certainty. If all goes well during the winter, he'll be assigned to an affiliate for next season. Tebow said choosing football over baseball was a tough decision for him out of high school, and that he was planning this kind of a baseball bid a year ago when the Eagles called. Still seems like a no-risk, high-reward situation.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 09 2016 12:48 PM Re: Tim Tebow

I really doubt that there will be a high reward, but I agree that the risk is low. This deal gives me neither enthusiasm nor angst.

metirish Sep 09 2016 02:53 PM Re: Tim Tebow

Christ almighty, how many stupid shirts would the Mets have to sell to make any real $$ on this?, what's the cut for the team on apparel sales?, the angst over this is comical.

RealityChuck Sep 09 2016 04:16 PM Re: Tim Tebow

How does it hurt the team? Most likely, it will have no effect at all. And there's a slim chance it may help. It's not worth getting bothered about. If it wasn't Tebow, but some undrafted ex-college guy, who would care?

Nymr83 Sep 10 2016 04:50 AM Re: Tim Tebow

The Mets are now LEADING the wild card race. coincidence?

Frayed Knot Sep 10 2016 11:41 AM Re: Tim Tebow Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Sep 10 2016 12:18 PM

metirish wrote: Christ almighty, how many stupid shirts would the Mets have to sell to make any real $$ on this?, what's the cut for the team on apparel sales?, the angst over this is comical. Teams don't really make money on minor league guys. Even if Tebow winds up boosting the hell out of the attendance in whatever minor league stop he makes (assuming he even gets that far) that windfall will mostly benefit the minor league owner at each level which, with the exception of Brooklyn and the Gulf Coast squad, isn't the Wilpons. At the moment I believe the outlay for Tebow is around 100K which maybe sounds like a lot for what is so far just a winter commitment, but at the same time it's less than what many teenage draft picks get and most of them won't see the big leagues without a ticket either. Finding and developing players is expensive and you miss a lot more than you hit. Tebow's path to get there is different for sure but at this point he's just another hopeful whose journey will end far short of CitiField. The money for jersey sales is split 30 ways among the teams with the exception that teams can own and run outlets in their designated 'home area' and keep the profits from them. So if you're wondering why NYM outlet stores sell other teams' stuff (including MFY gear) it's because they think they'll sell and that helps the bottom line. But the money made from a theoretical Tebow shirt sold in Modells or wherever (and I can't believe there'd even be Tebow shirts made yet) would go to MLB's general fund and not directly to Fred's pocket. Angst is what Met fans do.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 10 2016 12:13 PM Re: Tim Tebow

Frayed Knot wrote: Angst is what Met fans do. I know. And it's so tiresome.

metirish Sep 10 2016 02:18 PM Re: Tim Tebow

Frayed Knot wrote: metirish wrote: Christ almighty, how many stupid shirts would the Mets have to sell to make any real $$ on this?, what's the cut for the team on apparel sales?, the angst over this is comical. Teams don't really make money on minor league guys. Even if Tebow winds up boosting the hell out of the attendance in whatever minor league stop he makes (assuming he even gets that far) that windfall will mostly benefit the minor league owner at each level which, with the exception of Brooklyn and the Gulf Coast squad, isn't the Wilpons. At the moment I believe the outlay for Tebow is around 100K which maybe sounds like a lot for what is so far just a winter commitment, but at the same time it's less than what many teenage draft picks get and most of them won't see the big leagues without a ticket either. Finding and developing players is expensive and you miss a lot more than you hit. Tebow's path to get there is different for sure but at this point he's just another hopeful whose journey will end far short of CitiField. The money for jersey sales is split 30 ways among the teams with the exception that teams can own and run outlets in their designated 'home area' and keep the profits from them. So if you're wondering why NYM outlet stores sell other teams' stuff (including MFY gear) it's because they think they'll sell and that helps the bottom line. But the money made from a theoretical Tebow shirt sold in Modells or wherever (and I can't believe there'd even be Tebow shirts made yet) would go to MLB's general fund and not directly to Fred's pocket. Angst is what Met fans do. excellent, thank you....

Frayed Knot Sep 12 2016 03:06 AM Re: Tim Tebow

Frayed Knot wrote: Teams don't really make money on minor league guys. Even if Tebow winds up boosting the hell out of the attendance in whatever minor league stop he makes (assuming he even gets that far) that windfall will mostly benefit the minor league owner at each level which, with the exception of Brooklyn and the Gulf Coast squad, isn't the Wilpons. At the moment I believe the outlay for Tebow is around 100K which maybe sounds like a lot for what is so far just a winter commitment, but at the same time it's less than what many teenage draft picks get and most of them won't see the big leagues without a ticket either. Finding and developing players is expensive and you miss a lot more than you hit. Tebow's path to get there is different for sure but at this point he's just another hopeful whose journey will end far short of CitiField. Actually the Mets/Wilpons do own the Port St Lucie team also. They do NOT own their affiliates at low-A Columbia, AA Binghamton, or AAA Las Vegas They appear to partially own the Appalachian League team in Kingsport.

Zvon Sep 14 2016 05:03 PM Re: Tim Tebow

lolol, this cracked me up. I had to share it here somewhere. This is the closest appropriate thread.

cooby Sep 14 2016 05:12 PM Re: Tim Tebow

Dozier. That was who it was.

d'Kong76 Sep 19 2016 06:25 PM Re: Tim Tebow

Order Yours Today!

Frayed Knot Sep 19 2016 07:16 PM Re: Tim Tebow

NYDN: Traditionally, MLB teams are forbidden from selling a jersey with a player’s name and number on it until that player makes the 40-man roster ... But, ESPN reports, Tebow signed a “bridge agreement” with Majestic Athletic, which is MLB’s official uniform provider, that allows the company to sell gear with his name and No. 15 on it before he makes it to the Big Leagues.

d'Kong76 Sep 19 2016 07:23 PM Re: Tim Tebow

That's in the column from a different source. The whole thing just strikes me as comical.

seawolf17 Sep 19 2016 07:53 PM Re: Tim Tebow

Third-best-selling jersey on the site, sez the internets, behind Thor and Custom.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 19 2016 08:09 PM Re: Tim Tebow

Can somebody explain why Tim Tebow is such a big deal? All I know about him is that he was a briefly successful quarterback, is very religious and is (or was) "saving himself" for marriage. The first two things are common enough. The third is, well, I don't know... It doesn't seem like the kind of thing that would make someone wildly popular. So what is it? What have I missed?

Edgy MD Sep 19 2016 08:19 PM Re: Tim Tebow

It's part of the broader culture war. He was a successful college quarterback, and a Heisman winner. But occasionally, somebody comes along that can succeed wildly in the college game, but isn't cut out for the pro game. So he didn't get much of a shot, and amid that shotlessness came insinuations that he was being railroaded for his Christian values. He didn't make this claim, but it was the sort of bullshit culture war non-controversy controversy everybody's got to have an opinion about. As if he's the first Christian athlete. And then --- AND THEN --- by the blessing of fate, attrition led to him getting a shot ... and he SUCCEEDED ... modestly. He led his team deep into the playoffs, and this, to some mindsets, PROVED he was getting shafted. The other side of it was that his modest success was based on his undeniable athleticism, his leadership (as nebulous a quality as THAT is, it is widely acknowledged even by his detractors). And then, nothing. His team came up short of Super Bowl glory, and he's been in the hinterlands trying to find a job ever since. And around the beginning of this purgatory (which happens, of course, to any number of players), ESPN gave orders to their on-air staff to mention his name every 17 seconds forever. Controversy! It's the non-story story that keeps giving. Only the Brad Pitt/Jennifer Anniston breakup has been milked longer.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 19 2016 08:21 PM Re: Tim Tebow

So it sounds like he's kind of like a football Kardashian, famous for being famous?

RealityChuck Sep 19 2016 08:25 PM Re: Tim Tebow

Tebow was a great college QB, so he had that behind him when he joined the NFL. He is very demonstrative about his faith, which played well with religious NFL fans, and he won a couple of playoff games with long passes when people thought things were over. Scouts never thought he was a particularly good QB, but he did have enough talent to get lucky. It built up his fan base (many of whom were fans of his college career). His clean-living style is also very appealing to some.

Edgy MD Sep 19 2016 08:27 PM Re: Tim Tebow

Benjamin Grimm wrote: So it sounds like he's kind of like a football Kardashian, famous for being famous? Sort of, but again, he has the added distinction of being a sustained flashpoint in the culture wars. When and if Tebow succeeds, I say good. But there are any number on both sides who see his success as linked to the advancement Christian and Republican and Conservative hegemony. Donald Trump's numbskull staff announced him as a speaker at the Republican National Convention, and he publicly responded with "No, I'm not, and I haven't even been asked." He can't lose and he can't win.

Frayed Knot Sep 19 2016 08:28 PM Re: Tim Tebow

Over-lapping with several of the above but, what the hell, I already typed it. He was WILDLY successful a college quarterback (Two? Heisman Trophies)* down deep in the south (U of Florida) where nothing is bigger than being the star QB and particularly a white one. I mean they built a fucking statue of the guy when he was like 23 years old!!! But his style of play -- more run than pass which he could get away with because he was bigger than the fast guys on defense and faster than the big guys -- always drew questions about whether his game would translate into the NFL so questions such as, would he be drafted?; on which team(s) would he best fit?; how high or low w/should he go in the draft?; how quickly c/should he start?; would his throwing motion (long & ugly) prevent his success?; were the teams passing over him smart or be kicking themselves down the road? All those questions and more essentially preceded him into the league in an era where nothing is talked to death more on a national basis than NFL QBs. He then played a year, in Denver, where his team seemed to succeed despite him (or so his detractors claimed) but at the same time he had just enough late-game heroics for his supporters to claim that he had the old 'knack' for it, that he had, like Jeter, the 'clutch-ness' gene that could overcome whatever deficiencies he had. He even won a playoff game in last minute fashion. And then Denver signed Peyton Manning and T.T. was shunted aside like last week's fish and so THAT became its own cause celebre. In short, there were just so many stories around him and so many not just willing to take a 'Pro' or 'Anti' stance on him but felt as if they had to that he was probably the most talked about figure in sports for a several year period despite not having the career to back it up ... and then THAT becomes a story to talk about. Then there's ESPN, which practically owns college football and caters to pro football, couldn't get enough of him and it's tough to underestimate how much the four-letter network drives the sports conversation in this country, particularly once one gets away from the big city and they become the only voice available to so many. * just one actually

Benjamin Grimm Sep 19 2016 08:40 PM Re: Tim Tebow

Thanks, everyone, for the explanations. For me he's been one of those people whose name is very familiar but I've never really focused on why his name is so familiar.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 19 2016 08:44 PM Re: Tim Tebow

My memory of Tebow becoming famous was appearing in an icky commercial with his mother testifying that he coulda been aborted but wasn't. It was just, ew.

Ceetar Sep 19 2016 08:49 PM Re: Tim Tebow

The coverage of him is the worst part, surely. He fit/fits a certain promotional schema that has little to with actual skill and dominating airwaves/news coverage where many fans would've preferred to hear about other/better players and things. And like much of media (today) the over-promotion becomes the story so it feeds itself. "We're only talking about Tebow because it gets traffic! ..because we've been hyper promoting it. Because it gets traffic!" see also: Donald Trump. Take the "devoted to baseball" and "Just want to put the work in" angles that are being played up now, despite that he's being paid like 100x more than a walk-on, has special marketing deals, and still gets to skip games for his other job(s). John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: My memory of Tebow becoming famous was appearing in an icky commercial with his mother testifying that he coulda been aborted but wasn't. It was just, ew. and yeah, the preachy anti-abortion Super Bowl commercial certainly doesn't help the dislike factor.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 19 2016 08:51 PM Re: Tim Tebow

I don't recall that commercial, but I would guess that it made some people love him and some people despise him.

Frayed Knot Sep 20 2016 01:02 AM Re: Tim Tebow

One other thing that adds to the Tebow 'controversy' is the switching sports thing. On the one hand there are a handful of snobs within baseball who don't like what he's doing because they think he'll be allowed to 'cut the line' ahead of 'real' baseball players. They did the same when Michael Jordan tried his hand at baseball although, considering that MJ was essentially given a pass directly to AA, the resentment was more justified as he WAS taking the spot of a more deserving player based solely on his fame. As of now anyway, Tebow is guaranteed nothing beyond the instructional league so it's not really in the same class. Then, on the flip side, there's the anti-baseball part of the media (which is essentially most of it right now) who get pissed off whenever someone chooses baseball over either football or hoops. Again Jordan was an example, SF pitcher Jeff Samardzija (a top receiver at Notre Dame) made the 'wrong' choice according to those who like to dictate how others should run their lives, as did Bo Jackson going back a bit further. So Tebow basically gets the attention/criticism coming and going here and one of the first questions he got asked today was whether he was going to essentially abandon this thing before it even got started and contact the Patriots on account of their QB getting injured on Sunday.

d'Kong76 Sep 20 2016 01:38 AM Re: Tim Tebow

It would be interesting if you could get 1000 jersey buyers and ask them, "why did you buy a Tebow Mets' jersey?" Since we can't do that, feel free to give fake answers that might have been.

themetfairy Sep 20 2016 01:40 AM Re: Tim Tebow

d'Kong76 wrote: It would be interesting if you could get 1000 jersey buyers and ask them, "why did you buy a Tebow Mets' jersey?" Since we can't do that, feel free to give fake answers that might have been. It's my path to salvation!

Frayed Knot Sep 20 2016 01:42 AM Re: Tim Tebow

I don't think it can be dismissed that all this is going down in Florida which is the home base for many of the Tebow worshipers.

Zvon Sep 20 2016 01:43 AM Re: Tim Tebow

I wouldn't make a card til I saw an NY on his head. What position is he supposed to be playing? I haven't followed this at all. Except to read that the Mets Tebow jerseys have been moving briskly. Ha, smart move Sandy.

MFS62 Sep 20 2016 03:11 AM Re: Tim Tebow

If there had been no Tim Tebow, ESPN would have created him. Later

Lefty Specialist Sep 20 2016 01:34 PM Re: Tim Tebow

d'Kong76 wrote: It would be interesting if you could get 1000 jersey buyers and ask them, "why did you buy a Tebow Mets' jersey?" Since we can't do that, feel free to give fake answers that might have been. "Thought I was getting a Beltran jersey." Or in 3 months: "They were giving them away and I was cold."

Frayed Knot Sep 20 2016 02:38 PM Re: Tim Tebow

MFS62 wrote: If there had been no Tim Tebow, ESPN would have created him. The folks that cover college football -- and ESPN all but Owns college football at this point -- don't really cover it so much as they cheerlead for it so they essentially try to create a new Tebow, or several news ones, every year. Each season they'll pick out some teenager to fall in love with and attempt to build him into the new national hero with a zeal topped maybe only by NBC Olympic coverage. Most will fall by the wayside, usually when the performance can't match the hype, but maybe because he gets tossed over in favor of the next cute young thing, or when his rap sheet starts to grow longer than the stats sheet. Tebow was merely the guy who never did falter so he still carried that partly accurate/partly hyped rep into the pros where the whole thing blew up into a monster. What position is he supposed to be playing? He'll be strictly an outfielder for now, although I suppose 1st base isn't out of the question down the road. Of course if he can't hit then his position will go back to being a football talking head.

Mets Guy in Michigan Sep 20 2016 03:41 PM Re: Tim Tebow

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I don't recall that commercial, but I would guess that it made some people love him and some people despise him. [youtube]sw7qX1TpdNQ[/youtube] Here's the Super Bowl ad. I don't have a problem with it.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 20 2016 04:15 PM Re: Tim Tebow

If I had been watching the Super Bowl that year, and had seen that commercial, I wouldn't have known what kind of message they were trying to deliver. Log on to a website to learn more about the Tebow family? My response would have been, "Who gives a rat's ass?"

Fman99 Sep 20 2016 04:17 PM Re: Tim Tebow

d'Kong76 wrote: It would be interesting if you could get 1000 jersey buyers and ask them, "why did you buy a Tebow Mets' jersey?" Since we can't do that, feel free to give fake answers that might have been. It's what Jesus would wear if he were going to Citi Field.

G-Fafif Sep 20 2016 04:19 PM Re: Tim Tebow

From when Tebowing was so the rage in Denver that it caught on nearby South Park, Colo. [youtube:3i6gj1yv]B1GoJk7BKd4[/youtube:3i6gj1yv]

bmfc1 Sep 20 2016 07:21 PM Re: Tim Tebow

Just in time for Xmas (but likely not for Hanukkah).

d'Kong76 Sep 20 2016 07:28 PM Re: Tim Tebow

I suppose "Shaken, not stirred" is probably copyrighted or something.

bmfc1 Sep 20 2016 07:35 PM Re: Tim Tebow Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 20 2016 09:33 PM

The bonus chapter for the paperback will be about his month as a New York Met before he realized that his $100,000 check cleared and he got as much publicity for the book as he could.

Mets Willets Point Sep 20 2016 07:58 PM Re: Tim Tebow

Edgy MD wrote: It's just a player. I know we're supposed to have polarized positions on the guy, but it's just a player. I think I would agree with this if I hadn't gotten an email from the Mets proclaiming "WE SIGNED TIM TEBOW!!!" Why am I supposed to be more excited about this 29-year-old who failed multiple times at getting a position in his best sport and hasn't played organized baseball since he was in high school, as compared to anyone else signed to a minor league deal to fill a roster spot with same qualifications? It doesn't even have the publicity stunt appeal of Michael Jordan or Garth Brooks where you can say "Hey, this guy is really talented in his field, let's see how he does at baseball." The only thing that makes Tebow famous is that he's become an icon to the type of Christian right people who believe that Christianity is being persecuted in the United States. I don't have anything against Tebow as an individual, but it strikes me as odd that the Mets want to tap into that rigmarole.

Edgy MD Sep 20 2016 08:42 PM Re: Tim Tebow

I didn't get that e-mail. Three exclamation points? That's not very tasteful.

seawolf17 Sep 21 2016 01:27 PM Re: Tim Tebow

Mets Willets Point wrote: It's just a player. I know we're supposed to have polarized positions on the guy, but it's just a player. I think I would agree with this if I hadn't gotten an email from the Mets proclaiming "WE SIGNED TIM TEBOW!!!" Why am I supposed to be more excited about this 29-year-old who failed multiple times at getting a position in his best sport and hasn't played organized baseball since he was in high school, as compared to anyone else signed to a minor league deal to fill a roster spot with same qualifications? It doesn't even have the publicity stunt appeal of Michael Jordan or Garth Brooks where you can say "Hey, this guy is really talented in his field, let's see how he does at baseball." The only thing that makes Tebow famous is that he's become an icon to the type of Christian right people who believe that Christianity is being persecuted in the United States. I don't have anything against Tebow as an individual, but it strikes me as odd that the Mets want to tap into that rigmarole. For one reason, and one reason only. https://twitter.com/CStewartWPTV/status ... 60/photo/1

Edgy MD Sep 21 2016 02:24 PM Re: Tim Tebow

They must've moved something like 100 Gs in merchandise already.

Frayed Knot Sep 21 2016 03:37 PM Re: Tim Tebow

Mets Willets Point wrote: The only thing that makes Tebow famous is that he's become an icon to the type of Christian right people who believe that Christianity is being persecuted in the United States. I'm not buying that. MOST of the discussion surrounding Tebow was born of his stellar career as a college QB (Heisman, two-time national champion, numerous awards, etc) contrasted to his checkered one as a pro (1st round draft pick, division title, playoff win, but ultimately couldn't hold the job) and it's not like risk-averse ESPN is given to having religious discussion on their air. So even if the majority of the talk about him was overwrought and over-hyped, it was mainly about his football bonafides or lack thereof. His story and fame and coverage was really no different than what happened with Johnny Manziel* a year or three later where religion wasn't even an issue. Now that doesn't mean there weren't some fans who lined up with him for his religious status and backstory (born in Philippines to missionary parents) and who cited that as why he wasn't given enough of a chance in the NFL, but so were there others who specifically railed against his image and thought that the reason he was cut too much slack. * Manziel, btw, was once drafted in the 12th round by the Padres. Go get him NOW Sandy!!!! ... he ain't doing anything at the moment

d'Kong76 Sep 21 2016 03:47 PM Re: Tim Tebow

seawolf17 wrote: https://twitter.com/CStewartWPTV/status/777862963977973760/photo/1 That's a pretty god damn funny picture. Lmfao...

Mets Guy in Michigan Sep 21 2016 04:25 PM Re: Tim Tebow

I'm always surprised that people belittle him because of his faith.

TransMonk Sep 21 2016 04:31 PM Re: Tim Tebow

Is it specifically because of his faith or the way that he wears his faith on his sleeve? I honestly don't know one way or the other (my Tebow knowledge is pretty low), but there are lots of sports figures who have faith.

d'Kong76 Sep 21 2016 04:47 PM Re: Tim Tebow

I know very little (and care even less) about his 'faith.' I poke fun at him because of the side-show he creates wherever he goes. The Mets brought him in to create a buzz but they deny it. It comes out that his agent is also the same agent as some big name stars. Oh, he has a book coming out!! That picture that sea17 shared says it all. Busted! Bullshit, on the Mets; the ball will be placed at the spot of the foul. 1st down!

Mets Guy in Michigan Sep 21 2016 07:43 PM Re: Tim Tebow

I think the sideshow is generated, in part, by people poking fun at his devout faith. My sister lives not too far from PSL and some people from her church went over there today to watch him. He spent a lot of time meeting fans, posing for photos and signing autographs. I don't think a team signs a player just for merchandise sales, but I think merchandise sales are an extension of overall interest in a player, which, if positive, can help the team. I still see this as a no risk proposition.

d'Kong76 Sep 21 2016 07:58 PM Re: Tim Tebow

Whatever, seems I can't say anything some days. Go Tebow! Go Wilpons! Yay!

Mets Guy in Michigan Sep 21 2016 08:16 PM Re: Tim Tebow

d'Kong76 wrote: Whatever, seems I can't say anything some days. Go Tebow! Go Wilpons! Yay! Now you're talking positive! Optimism is infectious!

Benjamin Grimm Sep 21 2016 08:26 PM Re: Tim Tebow

Yeah! And so is botulism!

d'Kong76 Sep 21 2016 08:46 PM Re: Tim Tebow

People need to chill. Poking fun at a parade float of Tebow jerseys is just that, poking fun, and not about who went to church today to shake hands. Jeez, sorry... I mean geez...

Mets Guy in Michigan Sep 21 2016 08:52 PM Re: Tim Tebow

d'Kong76 wrote: People need to chill. Poking fun at a parade float of Tebow jerseys is just that, poking fun, and not about who went to church today to shake hands. Jeez, sorry... I mean geez... I wasn't talking about you, I meant the overall discussion about the guy.

Edgy MD Sep 21 2016 08:54 PM Re: Tim Tebow

DIVISION! DISTRACTION! TEBOW!

RealityChuck Sep 28 2016 05:56 PM Re: Tim Tebow

Maybe this could work out: Tebow homers on first professional pitch. I know, meaningless at this level. But clearly he's no joke.

Lefty Specialist Sep 28 2016 06:58 PM Re: Tim Tebow

He was 0-5 after that. Cut the bum.

MFS62 Sep 28 2016 11:51 PM Re: Tim Tebow

d'Kong76 wrote: People need to chill. Poking fun at a parade float of Tebow jerseys is just that, poking fun, and not about who went to church today to shake hands. Jeez, sorry... I mean geez... Agree. Later

Edgy MD Sep 29 2016 04:34 PM Re: Tim Tebow

Amazin' Avenue time travels and reviews Tim Tebow's career from the future. The 51s are eliminated from the playoffs on September 10. On that day, Tim Tebow receives a call. It’s Sandy Alderson. Tim Tebow is being promoted to MLB as a September call-up. Tim Tebow was maybe the tenth-best player on the Las Vegas 51s. But in just two years as a professional baseball player, Tim Tebow has shot through the Mets’ farm system and made the major leagues. He isn’t even that good. The Mets, at this point, are sitting at 77-66, and are leading the NL East by 6 games over the 71-72 Phillies. They don’t need the distraction that Tebow provides. Why is this happening? But the Mets don’t care. Against all reason, the New York Mets have made Tim Tebow a Major League Baseball player. Tebow got the call while others more deserving in the organization didn’t. It’s obvious what has happened here. This video game knows what the Mets intentions really are here, and so it reacted accordingly. This game has pushed and promoted Tim Tebow to the major leagues way too quickly just for the publicity. This is what I am left to assume, at least. There is no reason for Tebow to be in the big leagues. But let’s see what he has to offer at the MLB level. Or maybe we won’t. Despite the headlines and fanfare that the former Florida Gator brings, it becomes clear early on that Terry Collins will not play Tim Tebow once—even as a pinch-runner. He may be the 40th man on the roster, but it’s unusual for September call-ups to be called up and fail to see even one garbage time appearance. Days and weeks go by, and Tebow can’t see the field at all. The Mets clinch the division, and Terry Collins won’t even let him play in the game after the division clincher. Fans are getting restless, and Collins has to field questions about it every night. Why can’t he just put Tebow in once? Skip Bayless is probably losing his mind somewhere. All of a sudden, this is starting to closely resemble Tebow’s previous tenure with a New York team. When he was with the Jets, Tebow was basically forced onto Jets coach Rex Ryan by management. Ryan did not have any plans for Tebow in any capacity, so Tebow could not get on the field at all. Even though the Jets were starting the terrible Mark Sanchez at QB and the fans were clamoring for Tebow, Ryan refused to put Tebow in a game.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Sep 29 2016 05:46 PM Re: Tim Tebow

Yes, but how is his football announcing going? I WANT A MORE COMPLETE SIMULATION

Ceetar Sep 29 2016 05:52 PM Re: Tim Tebow

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Yes, but how is his football announcing going? I WANT A MORE COMPLETE SIMULATION it's odd how MLB The show doesn't include that.

Edgy MD Sep 29 2016 06:12 PM Re: Tim Tebow

The same guy has used the game to simulate an entire league of Bartolo clones. There an 18-inning marathon on opening day that included one walk the entire game. And that was it. It was the last walk for anybody on any of the 30 teams the entire season. Cloning is bad, even when it's cloning the one guy nobody can get enough of.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Sep 29 2016 06:20 PM Re: Tim Tebow

Ceetar wrote: LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Yes, but how is his football announcing going? I WANT A MORE COMPLETE SIMULATION it's odd how MLB The show doesn't include that. Right? GIVE ME MORE TEBOW, LAMESTREAM VIDEO GAME

Mets Guy in Michigan Oct 12 2016 02:08 AM Re: Tim Tebow

Well, give him credit for this. Tim Tebow has more saves this October than Familia. [url]http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/11/report-tim-tebow-saves-fan-from-seizure-after-laying-his-hands-on-him-and-praying/ New York Mets prospect and former NFL quarterback Tim Tebow reportedly saved a fan’s life from a seizure Tuesday. The unnamed fan had a seizure while the Heisman winner was signing autographs, but the seizure stopped after Tebow placed his hands on the fan and prayed, according to ABC15 reporter Kari Van Horn.

Edgy MD Oct 12 2016 03:02 AM Re: Tim Tebow

Put it in the box score as 0-3, with a grand slam. [tweet:30zwbd8y]https://twitter.com/KariVanHorn/status/785981031572647936[/tweet:30zwbd8y] [tweet:30zwbd8y]https://twitter.com/ByrnesC10/status/785981437736423424[/tweet:30zwbd8y]

Frayed Knot Oct 12 2016 03:21 AM Re: Tim Tebow

Did he get credit for the save?

Edgy MD Oct 12 2016 04:14 AM Re: Tim Tebow

Shows how out of it I am. I was thinking the guy standing over the fallen fan was wearing a TEUFEL-11 jersey.

Ceetar Oct 12 2016 01:33 PM Re: Tim Tebow

Dude you're a "baseball player" not a medic, stand back.

Centerfield Oct 12 2016 01:38 PM Re: Tim Tebow

I'm going to show my ignorance here, but why wouldn't Tebow go play for the CFL or for NFL Europe or something? I remember that's what football players used to do when I followed. Is there even an NFL Europe anymore?

Ceetar Oct 12 2016 01:41 PM Re: Tim Tebow

Centerfield wrote: I'm going to show my ignorance here, but why wouldn't Tebow go play for the CFL or for NFL Europe or something? I remember that's what football players used to do when I followed. Is there even an NFL Europe anymore? The commute for the SEC gig must be tougher. (I don't think there is an NFL Europe) and the CFL season is just about over.

Edgy MD Oct 12 2016 01:58 PM Re: Tim Tebow

But yeah, I sort of expected him to head to Canada years ago looking to pull a Flutie and make fools out of NFL GMs.

MFS62 Oct 13 2016 02:51 PM Re: Tim Tebow

0-3, but with an RBI yesterday. Later

d'Kong76 Oct 15 2016 12:38 AM Re: Tim Tebow

His presence in the AFL is a joke and getting ripped on the internet and by scouts. My phone told me this, I ain't got no links...

MFS62 Oct 15 2016 12:31 PM Re: Tim Tebow

d'Kong76 wrote: His presence in the AFL is a joke and getting ripped on the internet and by scouts. My phone told me this, I ain't got no links... Here's one: https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/espn- ... 04344.html Later

d'Kong76 Oct 15 2016 03:00 PM Re: Tim Tebow

He might be better suited to playing in an Arizona high school league. His presence here is a farce, and he looks like an imposter pretending to have talent he does not possess. Ouch!

seawolf17 Oct 15 2016 08:08 PM Re: Tim Tebow

If this is really the case, then I have a hard time with them giving him AFL at-bats. You're telling me there's NOBODY in the system who could use this level of competition? Come on.

Edgy MD Oct 15 2016 11:35 PM Re: Tim Tebow

Well, I imagine they are not telling anybody that. But he's likely there because he's got a lot of catching up to do and needs as many reps as possible in as short a time as possible.

d'Kong76 Oct 16 2016 12:47 AM Re: Tim Tebow

Edgy MD wrote: he's likely there because he's got a lot of catching up to do and needs as many reps as possible in as short a time as possible. As possible for what or to what end? He needs reps to get his high-school stroke back to play professionally? Things don't leak out like they used to when we had HVAC Guy at Shea to report to us, but this was obviously a back-room agent favor or a publicity stunt. *clink*

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 16 2016 01:21 AM Re: Tim Tebow

Edgy MD wrote: Well, I imagine they are not telling anybody that. But he's likely there because he's got a lot of catching up to do and needs as many reps as possible in as short a time as possible. What might help with that is making this his full-time job, no? Honestly, regarding Tebow, that keep-the-announcer-gig deal sticking-point is what really sticks in my craw.

Ceetar Oct 17 2016 07:00 PM Re: Tim Tebow

seawolf17 wrote: If this is really the case, then I have a hard time with them giving him AFL at-bats. You're telling me there's NOBODY in the system who could use this level of competition? Come on. Probably not anybody with more than an imperceptible chance of making the majors. I'm not a minors junkie but I don't expect there's much to the AFL. It really just seems like a way to extend the minor league season in order to get guys reps that may have gotten hurt and things like that. If you want to go deeper into the conspiracy theory thing this could easily be more than just a Mets favor to Tebow's agent and could be a "help out MLB" thing to draw a few more reporters/press to Arizona.

Edgy MD Oct 17 2016 08:15 PM Re: Tim Tebow

d'Kong76 wrote: Edgy MD wrote: he's likely there because he's got a lot of catching up to do and needs as many reps as possible in as short a time as possible. As possible for what or to what end? He needs reps to get his high-school stroke back to play professionally? Things don't leak out like they used to when we had HVAC Guy at Shea to report to us, but this was obviously a back-room agent favor or a publicity stunt. *clink* To better prepare him to play and advance, I imagine. If his signing nothing more than a empty stunt, then whether he plays in the AFL or not is of little consequence. It's more of the same. And we shouldn't root against his deployment in the AFL so much much as his employment under any circumstances. If his signing is in earnest, then he needs reps whenever and wherever he can get them. I certainly think he's over his head, but probably over his head in a more controlled environment than a Caribbean team would afford him, where he'd have to earn his playing time, and likely rot on the bench, and require some personal security. As long as he's in the system though, he needs as much action as he can get. To prove himself or hang himself, whichever it may be. Oswalt gets his second start today for the Scorps.

MFS62 Dec 08 2016 03:05 PM Re: Tim Tebow

He's getting closer: http://nesn.com/2016/12/tim-tebow-likel ... lins-says/ Later

Nymr83 Dec 08 2016 05:47 PM Re: Tim Tebow

MFS62 wrote: He's getting closer: http://nesn.com/2016/12/tim-tebow-likel ... lins-says/ Later ugh, Collins buys the Tebow-aurora-hype too? this is ridiculous.

Edgy MD Dec 08 2016 05:56 PM Re: Tim Tebow

Aurora? Tebow will go to minor league camp and get floated once or maybe twice to join a travel roster, ride a bus and maybe get a couple of at-bats. No problem.

Lefty Specialist Dec 08 2016 06:01 PM Re: Tim Tebow

Betting he'll get an at-bat in one of those Channel 11 spring games, and strike out on 3 pitches.

Mets Guy in Michigan Dec 08 2016 06:10 PM Re: Tim Tebow

Lefty Specialist wrote: Betting he'll get an at-bat in one of those Channel 11 spring games, and strike out on 3 pitches. I'm hoping he succeeds. We all benefit from Mets players doing well.

Lefty Specialist Dec 08 2016 06:34 PM Re: Tim Tebow

It's spring training. It'll probably be the only time any of us will actually see him in a Mets uni live. And if he gets a hit, he may never go back to Chisholm, Minnesota and become the town doctor.

Frayed Knot Jan 13 2017 01:14 AM Re: Tim Tebow

Puma @ NY Post: Alderson was asked how often Tim Tebow will appear in Grapefruit League games this spring. -- “Too frequently for some and not frequently enough for others,” Alderson said. I like when we get feisty Sandy. He also initially responded "Who?" when asked about Wally Backman's recent comments.

Frayed Knot Feb 24 2017 03:04 PM Re: Tim Tebow

The Braves just signed Sanders Commings, a University of Georgia and later KC Chiefs defensive back who wants to give baseball a try despite having not played since high school. The soon to be 27 y/o had his NFL career curtailed to just two games on account of separate injuries involving a broken ankle and a broken collarbone. He was once a 37th round draft pick (2008) of the Diamondbacks. I don't expect that this signing will generate the publicity, the animosity, or the handwringing that the Mets signing of Tebow did.

Benjamin Grimm Feb 24 2017 03:12 PM Re: Tim Tebow

And if it does, the Mets can steal the spotlight back by signing Kim Kardashian.

cooby Feb 25 2017 03:56 PM Re: Tim Tebow

Or Beyoncé.

Rockin' Doc Feb 26 2017 03:48 AM Re: Tim Tebow

Word in scouting circles is that Kim Kardashian runs so slow she makes Prince Fielder look like Billie Hamilton. Beyonce hits a curve ball about as well as Tim Tebow.

Benjamin Grimm Feb 26 2017 03:52 AM Re: Tim Tebow

But she looks better doing it.

Frayed Knot Mar 06 2017 01:53 AM Re: Tim Tebow

Rockin' Doc wrote: Word in scouting circles is that Kim Kardashian runs so slow she makes Prince Fielder look like Billie Hamilton. That's because Prince has a smaller butt than K.K. Tebow to show up in the big league camp this week to fill in as the WBC boys clear out and is rumored to be targeted for the starting lineup maybe for the games on Wednesday and/or Friday of this coming week. I wonder if, during his ABS, ESPN goes to live break-ins of whatever program they're running at the time?

MFS62 Mar 06 2017 02:51 PM Re: Tim Tebow

Let him have his one fucking Charley Pride moment already, then forget about this folly. Later

d'Kong76 Mar 08 2017 02:17 AM Re: Tim Tebow

Yeah, god damn christ followers! Spit on 'em all!

MFS62 Mar 08 2017 02:31 AM Re: Tim Tebow

Read my response to Cooby. That was not my intention. I wan't spitting on him or his religion. As a member of a religious minority in this country, I don't do that, and condemn anyone who does. You always seem to misinterpret that. Badly. I just think he is getting too much press for someone of his unproven baseball ability. And its MY right to have that opinion. Later

d'Kong76 Mar 08 2017 02:35 AM Re: Tim Tebow

MFS62 wrote: You always seem to misinterpret that. Badly. Maybe it's you and not me.

MFS62 Mar 08 2017 02:35 AM Re: Tim Tebow

d'Kong76 wrote: MFS62 wrote: You always seem to misinterpret that. Badly. Maybe it's you and not me. Where did I mention religion? You did. Later

d'Kong76 Mar 08 2017 02:38 AM Re: Tim Tebow

Yes, I did! So what.

d'Kong76 Mar 08 2017 02:39 AM Re: Tim Tebow

No, you're less tolerant of others. No, you are! No....

MFS62 Mar 08 2017 02:43 AM Re: Tim Tebow

So, its about baseball and press coverage and an anticipated media circus. I can just hear the local news coverage of the next few games, "The Mets won 17-15. Tim Tebow went 0 for 3. Now for other scores ... " That was all. No offense was meant toward anybody. I don't know how anything I said could be taken that way. And some folks posted in the thread in the spirit in which it was intended. Later

MFS62 Mar 08 2017 02:46 AM Re: Tim Tebow

d'Kong76 wrote: No, you're less tolerant of others. No, you are! No.... Funny, isn't it? That's why wars have been fought over religion. Nobody uses or reads words the same way. Later

cooby Mar 08 2017 03:00 AM Re: Tim Tebow

Okay I don't care what his religion is, as long as he's not a devil worshiper...the point is, he's an athlete and he wouldn't have gotten this far without a firm and solid athletic career, and that has nothing to do with his religion. I wish him well in any and all cases and as a former college football player I think his spring training experience is worth a close look.

MFS62 Mar 08 2017 04:04 AM Re: Tim Tebow

cooby wrote: Okay I don't care what his religion is, as long as he's not a devil worshiper...the point is, he's an athlete and he wouldn't have gotten this far without a firm and solid athletic career, and that has nothing to do with his religion. Exactly. Later

Frayed Knot Jun 30 2017 10:55 PM Re: Tim Tebow

Earlier in this thread we tossed around the projected windfall from a Tebow signing, well here Baseball America examines The Tebow effect Per/game Sally League attendance for the 28 road games Tebow played prior to his promotion = 5,821 Per/game attendance for the 277 Sally League games not involving Tim Tebow = 3,230 Put another way, basically one in four people who walked through the gate for a Sally League game this year through his promotion on June 25 did so to watch a game involving Tim Tebow

Edgy MD Jun 30 2017 11:58 PM Re: Tim Tebow

The Mets paid Tebow a $100,000 signing bonus when they signed him. I thought it was more like $500,000. Either way, he's kind of getting exploited. I wonder if he'll get the idea that spending half his year or more doing this isn't worth it, when his name brand can bring in far more money elsewhere. I mean, even if he makes it to the bigs, the big money isn't coming until he does six years, and by then he'll be 38 or so, so he's almost guaranteed to never see a big baseball salary. But maybe baseball exposure will lead to increasing $$$ elsewhere.

Ceetar Jul 01 2017 12:00 AM Re: Tim Tebow

He signed on to be exploited. That's why he's there..

Edgy MD Jul 01 2017 12:01 AM Re: Tim Tebow

Gosh.

seawolf17 Jul 01 2017 12:45 AM Re: Tim Tebow

Ceetar wrote: He signed on to be exploited. That's why he's there.. Absolutely. He can't play football any more, so he's doing what he can to keep in the public consciousness; both he and the Mets are getting exactly what they want out of this.

Frayed Knot Jul 01 2017 01:12 AM Re: Tim Tebow

Or it's possible that he's playing to see if he's capable of succeeding at it.

seawolf17 Jul 01 2017 01:57 AM Re: Tim Tebow

Frayed Knot wrote: Or it's possible that he's playing to see if he's capable of succeeding at it. Okay, yes, that's probably part of it also.

bmfc1 Jul 01 2017 02:02 PM Re: Tim Tebow

I didn't realize that I started this thread but feel like saying that I've come full circle on Tebow. There are more important things to be angry about. I've been taken in by all of the articles showing how caring and thoughtful he is to his fans and teammates. He draws more people to minor league games and that's good. The odds that he's taking ABs from a future Met are slim so if he surprises and succeeds, that's good. If he doesn't and they release him, it was at little cost. And if the Mets are out of it in September and Sandy adds him to the 40, calls him up, he draws a few fans to CF and Sandy uses that extra $ on a free agent, it will have been a good thing.

41Forever Jul 01 2017 02:03 PM Re: Tim Tebow

Frayed Knot wrote: Or it's possible that he's playing to see if he's capable of succeeding at it. I agree with this. And honestly, there's been no downside to this attempt, other than the one team that mocked him all night and apologized later. If he was only interested in growing his brand, he'd stick solely with broadcasting, where you are seen and heard by potentially millions of people rather than 5,000 a night.

Edgy MD Jul 01 2017 03:02 PM Re: Tim Tebow

Here's that creep Tim Tebow last night robbing perhaps two dozen children of a chance to corral a home run ball. WHY DOES TIM TEBOW HATE CHILDREN?! [tweet:2pa2acfm]https://twitter.com/AMcDevittTV/status/880946472430313472[/tweet:2pa2acfm]

d'Kong76 Nov 06 2017 04:09 PM Re: Tim Tebow Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 06 2017 04:29 PM

Edgy MD wrote: Tim Tebow, celebrated Highsman winner and failed NFL quarterback switching to baseball in his late 20s, is a much more interesting story than continuing the ESPN use of him as a flashpoint in the culture wars. I disagree to a point. He's much more a fish out of water selling baseball tickets to the born-again, Uni of Fla, celeb-watching fans than he is whatever it is he does college football-analysis coverage wise for ESPN. Lefty Specialist wrote: Is Tebow coming back next year or has he gotten baseball out of his system? I hope he's not back. I can't remember if I read he was (and welcomed by whoever said it) here or if I actually read it in the paper.

Edgy MD Nov 06 2017 04:16 PM Re: Tim Tebow

Well, it's certainly more interesting to me. Heck, a huge number of ballplayers are Christians, and any number of them would give testimony if asked. The way this gets covered — with the implicit idea that the viability of faith flies or dies on the shoulders of this one galoot — is absurd. Like the broader culture wars it's a part of, it's a losing game for everybody. But a stupid controversy draws ratings, because somehow we're being increasingly conditioned that we must come down fervently on Side A or Side B of selected TV-created issues.

d'Kong76 Nov 06 2017 04:32 PM Re: Tim Tebow

You're painting my take with a brush that doesn't apply. I'm not fervently doing anything. I think he's a waste of time and resources and most importantly a ticket/merchandising gimmick.

Edgy MD Nov 06 2017 04:46 PM Re: Tim Tebow

I didn't mean to suggest that you were fervently doing something. I was saying that the way he's covered asks us to fervently come down one side or another, for the silliest of reasons. I just think he's another among hundreds of ballplayers in the Mets minor leagues.

d'Kong76 Nov 06 2017 04:52 PM Re: Tim Tebow

Edgy MD wrote: I just think he's another among hundreds of ballplayers in the Mets minor leagues. And I just think that if that's what you think you're intentionally ignoring him and the whole gimmick to call him just one of the guys. No, he's not just one of the guys. Haven't really thought about him since summer, just posted about some of the quotes in the derby thread to not get too muddled in Tebow there.

Edgy MD Nov 06 2017 04:58 PM Re: Tim Tebow

You think I'm ignoring him? I have thought about him since the summer. A bloody lot!

d'Kong76 Nov 06 2017 05:07 PM Re: Tim Tebow

You know what I mean. Don't do this. People fucked him in other threads but you chose to play word games with me. Whatev.

Edgy MD Nov 06 2017 05:41 PM Re: Tim Tebow

Word games? Fucked him? I'm not sure what's going on here, but I'm not playing any games. He's a player. He comes from a non-traditional background, acquisition-wise, and he's got a brand that makes him more of gate attraction. I think both are great, in and of themselves. Obviously the latter has diminishing returns, especially if he doesn't perform. So far, he hasn't been good, but hasn't been particularly bad, but just by being meh, I'd guess he's upped his chances of someday appearing in a big league game from 5-10% to 35-40%. That's interesting. If they can find ballplayers from non-traditional backgrounds like failed football players, I'm all for it. Even if he sees big league time, it's still highly unilkely that he'll ever be more than marginal, but I'd still look on the experiment as a success. I'm certainly jealous that the Pirates got the first African-born big-league player, but maybe the Mets can get the first Filipino-born one. He would also be the third Highsman winner to play in the bigs. Too late to be first there, too. As a Christian, he'd be about the millonth. So I think covering him from that angle (or mainly from that angle) misses a better story. But he's thought about less and less — the novelty wearing off — so there really isn't that much of a story at all anymore. And so he's becoming in the media what he really is: a late-to-the-table ballplayer playing barely mediocre ball trying to move up from high A to AA. I've seen a lot of footage in him, and I realize why appraisers didn't see much in him. He's got great strength and coordination. But the speed that made him a great asset in an NCAA backfield hasn't translated as much as it can to baseball. In the outfield, he runs with a low center of gravity, violently, like he's watching for opposing tacklers and needs to be ready to make cuts or throw a shoulder into somebody, rather than committing to the route and taking long, upright, confident strides toward the ball like decent outfielders do. The coordination makes him a surprisingly good contact hitter, for a guy who has been away from the game for over a decade, but the lack of snap in the wrists that kept his throwing at sub-NFL level is also evident in a lack of bat speed. He just doesn't whip through the zone like you want a power guy to do, so his hitting has been largely opposite field, and his power has been mostly in his muscle, and there's only so much you're going to be able to get out of that. His strike zone judgment has been a surprise. I imagine running more like a ballplayer will improve, and I think it has somewhat. The lack of snap is probably just a thing that isn't there, though. It doesn't mean he can't improve as a hitter, but it puts longer odds against him. But I think he's already done better than many would have guessed. And he doesn't appear to be a total dick. So yay?

cooby Nov 06 2017 05:51 PM Re: Tim Tebow

I can't believe it's come to this. We all either love him or hate him over whether he's Christian (and for the record , I love him for that) or whether he draws too much attention over his teammates (he's a Heisman winner for gosh sakes. That gives him star power) or because he's 'healed' people. (Not my branch of religion but if he's done it, that's pretty cool) As someone said he's decent, he's athletic, he's acceptable to instruction, so if he's a met one day, I'll be happy to have him

41Forever Nov 06 2017 06:34 PM Re: Tim Tebow

I like him. I think he's good for the Mets and good for baseball. If it works out, great. If not, no harm done.

d'Kong76 Nov 06 2017 06:49 PM Re: Tim Tebow

Edgy MD wrote: Word games? Fucked him? Yes, fucked him. But instead you take out your hickory stick and try to school me with it instead. He's a side show, Side Show Tim. I'm sorry some of you don't see that.

cooby Nov 06 2017 06:54 PM Re: Tim Tebow

no, Garth Brooks was a sideshow

d'Kong76 Nov 06 2017 07:01 PM Re: Tim Tebow

Same thing. All I did was move a couple of thoughts from the derby thread so as not to muck it up with too much Timmy. And if there were more people here interested in defending the Christianity slant -- where were they when it was posted in the politics thread that some politician pleasured herself with a Jesus shaped dildo? But d'Kong doesn't like Tebow... mean ol' cranky KC. I get it.

Edgy MD Nov 06 2017 07:03 PM Re: Tim Tebow

I don't really understand your meaning. Hickory stick? Is "fucking him" good or bad? Which people did this? I gave an opinion about the media. It was aimed at no one here. When you quoted it and moved it to another thread, I didn't think we were so far apart. But when you accused me of holding back about the real issue and ignoring him somehow, I diarrhea'd out every dumb opinion I could possibly have about the guy to clarify that I am not. I assure you I meant no disrespect. Nor did I presume to school anybody.

cooby Nov 06 2017 07:26 PM Re: Tim Tebow

d'Kong76 wrote: Same thing. All I did was move a couple of thoughts from the derby thread so as not to muck it up with too much Timmy. And if there were more people here interested in defending the Christianity slant -- where were they when it was posted in the politics thread that some politician pleasured herself with a Jesus shaped dildo? But d'Kong doesn't like Tebow... mean ol' cranky KC. I get it. Did not see that. That thread is very long and I don't always read it

cooby Nov 06 2017 07:48 PM Re: Tim Tebow

And KC for the record I don't think you have an anti-christian slant against him. If you don't like him, you don't like him. Heaven knows, there's been Mets I don't like

d'Kong76 Nov 06 2017 08:19 PM Re: Tim Tebow

Thanks. I don't dislike anyone (well, Trump and a few other political types). I thought I was pretty clear here, maybe I wasn't. Best for me to just let the thread go back to page 6 or 7 where I fetched it from.