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Frayed Knot Sep 14 2016 01:28 PM

From a recent IGT: FMan wrote: I want deGrom and Matz to go into some kind of time share for a rotation spot. Well you may just get your wish. Depending on the outcome of Matz's throwing session today, Collins et al are thinking about a situation where deGrom starts and Matz comes on as the 'piggyback' reliever after a set number of innings/pitches. The conditional target game could be Sunday afternoon vs Mini-Soda http://m.mets.mlb.com/news/article/2011 ... rn-sunday/

dinosaur jesus Sep 14 2016 01:34 PM Re: DeGromatz

Could they switch off against lefties and righties and camp out in right field when they're not pitching, like McDowell and Orosco that one time? That would be awesome.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 14 2016 01:37 PM Re: DeGromatz

They're both decent enough hitters that it wouldn't kill you too much, but I'm sure it's much more important to have them pitch in a regular rhythm.

Frayed Knot Sep 14 2016 01:38 PM Re: DeGromatz

dinosaur jesus wrote: Could they switch off against lefties and righties and camp out in right field when they're not pitching, like McDowell and Orosco that one time? That would be awesome. Sure, but since it'll be the (currently 54-91) Twins, Terry's going to have them switch off so as to pitch to their opposites (deGrom vs LHBs and Matz vs RHBs) y'know, just to make the game more fair.

Edgy MD Sep 14 2016 01:43 PM Re: DeGromatz

Oooh. Danger. Pride before a fall and whatnot.

Ashie62 Sep 14 2016 02:25 PM Re: DeGromatz

Can we use them in manner Baseball has done for over 50 years?

Fman99 Sep 14 2016 04:14 PM Re: DeGromatz

I'm so clever.

TransMonk Sep 16 2016 08:05 PM Re: DeGromatz

Lefty Specialist Sep 16 2016 08:17 PM Re: DeGromatz

Well, hold your breath all goes well.

Edgy MD Sep 17 2016 07:34 PM Re: DeGromatz

deGrom confirmed for Sunday's start. Got to release my breath.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Sep 17 2016 08:33 PM Re: DeGromatz

Feel free to release your breath... in one, big, obscenity- shaped outburst.

TransMonk Sep 17 2016 08:34 PM Re: DeGromatz

Now news is that Jacob is headed for season ending nerve surgery. Suck it up, I guess.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 17 2016 08:38 PM Re: DeGromatz

Okay then! NEXT?[/bigpurple]

Benjamin Grimm Sep 17 2016 08:51 PM Re: DeGromatz

Ynoa to pitch on Sunday. Yeesh. We're definitely going to need Lugo and Gsellman to keep it up.

Frayed Knot Sep 17 2016 09:00 PM Re: DeGromatz

Amazing how posts here go from 'Confirmed for Sunday' to 'Out for Season' inside an hour. At least it's not a structural problem I suppose, although nerve surgery can never be regarded as a Good thing.

Frayed Knot Sep 17 2016 09:14 PM Re: DeGromatz

So at this point we've gotten 121 starts from the season opening 'Starting Five' with another five or six still to come (We Hope!!) for Colon & Syndergaard plus maybe one or two from Matz - so let's call it 127 or 78% of the total 162 and 35 starts/22% from 'others'. That, viewed in isolation, is actually not so terrible and certainly teams, including NYM teams, have had worse seasons that that. The big problem is that the supposed #6, normally the first guy to turn to once someone goes out, was able to provide nothing and also that, rather than seeing the injuries one at a time, they came in bunches during the second half of the year. This meant that not only does the 7th starter get pressed into service but so do #s 8, 9, and maybe even 10, and all at the same time to the point where they're comprising 3/5 of the rotation during the stretch run and, Gulp!, the playoffs.

Fman99 Sep 17 2016 09:21 PM Re: DeGromatz

Fifteen regular season games this year, which means, really, that we have three starts that need to be done by someone not Lugo/Gsellman/Colon/Thor.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 17 2016 09:21 PM Re: DeGromatz

Didn't the Twins win the World Series one year with two good starters and one sacrificial lamb? (It may have been Morris and Blyleven in 1991.) I think, though, that they probably did it pitching their two veteran starters on three days rest. There's no way I can see the Mets doing that in 2016.

Ashie62 Sep 17 2016 09:23 PM Re: DeGromatz

Oh well, we have done well without him, keep it up. Reminds me of Isringhausen Wilson and Pulsipher

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Sep 17 2016 09:47 PM Re: DeGromatz

Or, y'know, any group of two or more modern starters.

dinosaur jesus Sep 17 2016 10:46 PM Re: DeGromatz

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Didn't the Twins win the World Series one year with two good starters and one sacrificial lamb? (It may have been Morris and Blyleven in 1991.) I think, though, that they probably did it pitching their two veteran starters on three days rest. There's no way I can see the Mets doing that in 2016. That was 1987 (in 1991 they had Scott Erickson, who won 20). After Blyleven and Viola it was Les Straker. And yes, they pitch them on three days' rest. A team probably could do that these days, but I don't think there are any managers who'd dare try. Maybe Bochy.

Zvon Sep 17 2016 10:53 PM Re: DeGromatz

Horrible, horrible news. If we can fill this hole I will be amazed. I know we kinda have been, but through it all deGrom's return was on the horizon. Somehow we must sustain.

Rockin' Doc Sep 18 2016 12:57 AM Re: DeGromatz

Fman99 wrote: Fifteen regular season games this year, which means, really, that we have three starts that need to be done by someone not Lugo/Gsellman/Colon/Thor. Not Montero either, I hope.

Edgy MD Sep 18 2016 04:17 AM Re: DeGromatz

Could be Montero. Could be Verrett or Gilly or some combination of the three. And Matz is still in play of course. Along with one day off. I'm not thinking the decision over which of them goes will be what keeps 'em out the playoffs.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Sep 18 2016 04:18 AM Re: DeGromatz

[Taps Edgy on shoulder] "Um... Ahem." -2007 and 2008

Edgy MD Sep 18 2016 04:25 AM Re: DeGromatz

Yeah, that could happen. But I'm not thinking it will.

Nymr83 Sep 18 2016 04:45 AM Re: DeGromatz

dinosaur jesus wrote: Benjamin Grimm wrote: Didn't the Twins win the World Series one year with two good starters and one sacrificial lamb? (It may have been Morris and Blyleven in 1991.) I think, though, that they probably did it pitching their two veteran starters on three days rest. There's no way I can see the Mets doing that in 2016. That was 1987 (in 1991 they had Scott Erickson, who won 20). After Blyleven and Viola it was Les Straker. And yes, they pitch them on three days' rest. A team probably could do that these days, but I don't think there are any managers who'd dare try. Maybe Bochy. The last time I can remember this being tried was AGAINST the Mets, it seems like yesterday to me but it has been 16 years since the 2000 St Louis Cardinals pitched the late Daryl Kile in Game 1 on the NLCS on October 11th and brought him back for Game 4 on October 15th. They had planned to bring him back for Game 7 if needed. I believe Garrett Stephenson was hurt? and they had taxed the bullpen in Game 2 when Rick Ankiel (he was a pitcher first!) couldn't find the plate. every team should of course heed the example of the Nationals and Strasburg - play to win now, because you dont know whats coming later. If I were the Mets I pitch Syndergaard on 3 days rest if he feels he can handle it in October. Colon too, he might even be better at it

Elster88 Sep 18 2016 05:58 AM Re: DeGromatz

Are any CPFers available to pitch tomorrow? Can you get a month or two off from work? If you don't like pitching there are other positions available.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 18 2016 11:33 AM Re: DeGromatz

I was looking at the post-season schedule. The Mets could, potentially, get through the NLDS with three starters. If Syndergaard starts the wild card game (as I assume he will, unless the race remains tight and the Mets aren't able to arrange their rotation), he'd be able to start NLDS Game 3 on four days rest. If Colon is the Game 1 starter in the NLDS, they could start him on three days rest in Game 4. Wild Card Game: Wednesday, 10/5, Syndergaard NLDS Game 1: Friday, 10/7, Colon NLDS Game 2: Saturday, 10/8, Matz or Lugo or Gsellman NLDS Game 3: Monday, 10/10, Syndergaard NLDS Game 4: Tuesday, 10/11, Colon (three days rest) NLDS Game 5: Thursday, 10/13, Game 3 starter Would they do this? I don't know. I figure that if any starter is going to pitch on three days rest, it would be Colon. I doubt they'd do it with Syndergaard or Matz. If Matz is unavailable, having Lugo or Gsellman start the decisive Game 5 of the NLDS is far from optimal, but it may be the best option. The alternative is a four-man rotation, where the fourth starter pitches Game 4 and Colon goes in Game 5. I'd be more willing to try that if the Mets have won two of the first three games.

Edgy MD Sep 18 2016 12:16 PM Re: DeGromatz

We may be overthinking this. If Matz is available, they have five starters. If he's not, they have four.

Edgy MD Sep 18 2016 12:42 PM Re: DeGromatz

And Ynoa goes today. This can't go wrong.

Ashie62 Sep 20 2016 02:12 AM Re: DeGromatz

How does Matz do a 30 pitch bullpen Wednesday and start Friday. His pitch count will be 50?

bmfc1 Sep 20 2016 09:44 PM Re: DeGromatz

Say goodbye to Jacob until '17. He now can go to the 60-day DL which opens a spot on the 40-man roster. Perhaps they should get Bud Norris who was DFA'd today by LAD. He's not great but they might need a starter if Matz can't go.

Ashie62 Sep 21 2016 12:54 AM Re: DeGromatz Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 21 2016 01:00 AM

Is JD having TJ again? A strained forearm requiring surgery is structural.

Ashie62 Sep 21 2016 12:57 AM Re: DeGromatz

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I was looking at the post-season schedule. The Mets could, potentially, get through the NLDS with three starters. If Syndergaard starts the wild card game (as I assume he will, unless the race remains tight and the Mets aren't able to arrange their rotation), he'd be able to start NLDS Game 3 on four days rest. If Colon is the Game 1 starter in the NLDS, they could start him on three days rest in Game 4. Wild Card Game: Wednesday, 10/5, Syndergaard NLDS Game 1: Friday, 10/7, Colon NLDS Game 2: Saturday, 10/8, Matz or Lugo or Gsellman NLDS Game 3: Monday, 10/10, Syndergaard NLDS Game 4: Tuesday, 10/11, Colon (three days rest) NLDS Game 5: Thursday, 10/13, Game 3 starter Would they do this? I don't know. I figure that if any starter is going to pitch on three days rest, it would be Colon. I doubt they'd do it with Syndergaard or Matz. If Matz is unavailable, having Lugo or Gsellman start the decisive Game 5 of the NLDS is far from optimal, but it may be the best option. The alternative is a four-man rotation, where the fourth starter pitches Game 4 and Colon goes in Game 5. I'd be more willing to try that if the Mets have won two of the first three games. This feels premature.

Ashie62 Sep 21 2016 01:22 AM Re: DeGromatz

deGrom's surgery [url]http://www.nj.com/mets/index.ssf/2016/09/mets_jacob_degrom_to_undergo_season-ending_elbow_s.html#incart_river_index

Frayed Knot Sep 22 2016 08:14 PM Re: DeGromatz

The NYPost is reporting that Matz will NOT make his return start on Friday after experiencing "shoulder soreness" following today's throwing session. And so it goes. http://nypost.com/2016/09/22/steven-mat ... ack-start/

Rockin' Doc Sep 23 2016 03:30 AM Re: DeGromatz

Frayed Knot wrote: The NYPost is reporting that Matz will NOT make his return start on Friday after experiencing "shoulder soreness" following today's throwing session. And so it goes Sadly, these type of reports and updates no longer surprise me. I have come to expect them.

Rockin' Doc Sep 25 2016 02:12 AM Re: DeGromatz

According to Roger Rubin at ESPN, Steven Matz is not likely to pitch again this season and if by chance he does, it will be out of the bullpen. I doubt there are many here surprised by this announcement. The vaunted young rotation his been decimated. I am amazed the team is even in contention for a wildcard spot.

Centerfield Sep 27 2016 01:17 PM Re: DeGromatz

And in a shocking turn of events, Terry Collins has announced that Steven Matz is probably done for the season. Yesterday, Collins had said that Matz, if he returned, would only pitch out of the bullpen. Collins did leave open the idea that Matz might pitch in an instructional league soon, and so he might be available if the team went deep into the post-season. But even then it would only be during afternoon games, on Tuesdays, and would only face "guys who suck anyway".

Edgy MD Sep 27 2016 02:05 PM Re: DeGromatz

Psyched for that dramatic Matz/Tebow matchup. Red-hot lefty-on-lefty action.

Frayed Knot Sep 27 2016 09:30 PM Re: DeGromatz

DiComo on mlb.com: Mets starter Steven Matz will undergo season-ending surgery imminently to remove a bone spur from his left elbow, according to a team source. The club has not confirmed the news. So it's essentially nothing additional on top of what we already knew, just that it apparently can't be put off until the off-season. Or rather that IT IS the off-season starting now as far as Matz is concerned.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 27 2016 09:32 PM Re: DeGromatz

Yeah, I guess they figured he wasn't going to pitch again anyway so they might as well get the surgery done so he can begin healing all the sooner so that he'll be ready for whatever injury comes next. If the Mets do have a postseason roster this year it will be very different from last year's.