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Vacating a win after a bad call

Mets Guy in Michigan Sep 12 2016 05:09 PM

I'm not much of a college football fan, but was excited to see the Central Michigan Chippewas beat the formerly ranked Oklahoma State on Saturday. Fire up, Chips! (Especially the marching band, says the father of a Chip band member.) Now, it turns out that the Chips won on a miracle play in a down that they shouldn't have been allowed to play, courtesy of a bad call by the refs. (Said refs and video review team have been suspended for two games as a result.) The Oklahoma State paper is calling on CMU to ask that the win be overturned. [url]http://www.ocolly.com/sports/article_be7e9850-7879-11e6-b2de-13deac3c9a0e.html For the game’s result to be overturned, OSU must appeal to CMU and the Chippewas must approve it. That’s easier said than done. The Chippewas would give up a win against a team from a Power Five conference. They would give up an easy road to tallying a 12-0 record. CMU doesn’t play another opponent ranked in the top 25 this season. It’s not easy, but practice what you preach, Chippewas. CMU can be remembered for a game-winning Hail Mary that shouldn’t have happened. They can use the play as a recruiting tool. It’ll be free exposure on ESPN all season. It’s an opportunity small schools dream of. But how can CMU try to improve its university on a play that never should have happened? Especially when it motto begins with integrity? CMU, you claim to teach integrity. Now’s your chance. They say the best way to teach is by example. Here is that example. This is akin to asking the Royals to give up the Game 6 win in the 1985 World Series because Don Denkinger blew the call. The OK State paper is neglecting to point out that powerhouse college football teams fill their non-conference schedules with patsies in games that are expected to generate only an easy win for the powerhouse and some cash for the patsy team. It's also worth pointing out that the Cowboys were, I think, a 22-point favorite and shouldn't have allowed CMU to get in sniffing distance being able to win the game on a bad call and a miracle play. If the Cowboys had taken care of business, they don't have to worry about a late bad call or begging a victorious underdog to overturn a win. Am I wrong?

smg58 Sep 12 2016 05:36 PM Re: Vacating a win after a bad call

Oh no, you're not wrong. I get the feeling that the person who wrote the article would not be making a similar request had the bad call tipped the game in the other direction.

RealityChuck Sep 12 2016 06:15 PM Re: Vacating a win after a bad call

Hey, it's not the school's fault the refs blew the call. Why should they give it up?

HahnSolo Sep 12 2016 06:28 PM Re: Vacating a win after a bad call

If ever there was a game to "change the outcome because of a bad call" this might be it. And I always side with the little guy in these match ups but OSU has a good case. By all accounts and admissions, the final play should not have happened. Without going into the fairness of big guy vs. little guy in the NCAA or the point spread (which I guess wagers wouldn't have been affected because CMU would have covered anyway, not that the NCAA cares about that--wink, wink), or the stupidity of OSU's play call right before this one, Oklahoma State did everything under the rules to win the game after 60 minutes of play. This wasn't a game-turning call in the middle of the fourth quarter where you can't go back and change the outcome. Someone (the NCAA?) should be able to say the game ended following OSU's fourth down play. All that said, f*&%k Ok St and T Boone Pickens.

Frayed Knot Sep 12 2016 06:52 PM Re: Vacating a win after a bad call

The Denkinger call really isn't an apt analogy because that was a judgement call while this one is a mis-application of a rule - the remedy for which would be to protest the game on that basis. I have no idea if the NCAA even has a process for this (they must not because this is hardly the first time this sort of thing has happened at that level) and if they don't then the screwed team is S.O.L. as the kids say. But, no, it's not up to the school to voluntarily 'give back' the win as if there was some sort of misdeed on their part.

Mets Guy in Michigan Sep 12 2016 07:09 PM Re: Vacating a win after a bad call

Frayed Knot wrote: The Denkinger call really isn't an apt analogy because that was a judgement call while this one is a mis-application of a rule - the remedy for which would be to protest the game on that basis. I have no idea if the NCAA even has a process for this (they must not because this is hardly the first time this sort of thing has happened at that level) and if they don't then the screwed team is S.O.L. as the kids say. But, no, it's not up to the school to voluntarily 'give back' the win as if there was some sort of misdeed on their part. I see what you mean on the Denkinger call. I don't know if the NCAA has a protest rule, like baseball has, where the Cowboys would have needed to ask for a protest before that last play started. Then again, does that happen still in baseball? Seems like as I kid I'd hear "The Mets are playing the rest of this game under protests," but can't recall the last time that's happened. I went to Mizzou, and we had the infamous "fifth down" game in 1990. The chancellor protested to the Big 8, which ruled "the allowance of the fifth down to Colorado is not a post-game correctable error," and therefore Colorado's win would stand.

Frayed Knot Sep 12 2016 07:56 PM Re: Vacating a win after a bad call

Mets Guy in Michigan wrote: Then again, does that happen still in baseball? Seems like as I kid I'd hear "The Mets are playing the rest of this game under protests," but can't recall the last time that's happened. The process still exits but the circumstances rarely come up. Plainly put I just think baseball umps screw up a lot less than football refs on the correct application of rules. Particularly college refs but even in the NFL it seems like the league office is issuing a Monday morning apology every other week to some team for a foul that was called, went un-called, or for a rules application that was just plain FUBAR. I went to Mizzou, and we had the infamous "fifth down" game in 1990. The chancellor protested to the Big 8, which ruled "the allowance of the fifth down to Colorado is not a post-game correctable error," and therefore Colorado's win would stand. What that sounds like is the college gridiron version of 'Catch-22': We don't allow you to protest at the time and we can't go back and fix it now because you didn't protest it at the time. Otherwise known as the brass covering their collective ass. Basically with the once a week nature of football and the logistics it would take to go back after the fact and replay the final minute or whatever of the game, they probably just find it easier to pretend the whole thing either never happened or that there's something in their 457,892 page guideline that prevents it from being corrected. Plus I don't know that the NCAA or the conferences even allow for the fact that they might be responsible for something. "Student athletes" accepting a free sandwich, on the other hand, they're all over that.

RealityChuck Sep 13 2016 07:37 PM Re: Vacating a win after a bad call

This isn't the first time a team lost because the referee made a bad call. It's part of the game. In this case, did no one at OSU notice the extra play? Did they bring it to the attention of the officials before the play? Sounds like they were asleep at the wheel. It's at least partly their own fault the play was run.

Mets Guy in Michigan Sep 15 2016 01:40 AM Re: Vacating a win after a bad call

Here's how the CMU newspaper replied: [url]http://www.cm-life.com/article/2016/09/dom-col-osu-2016 But wait, here's my favorite Chip featured on the university website! (I have to boast a little.) [url]https://www.cmich.edu/stamp/Pages/Caroline-Murray.aspx