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Help! My Zeppelin crashed on a desert island!

I (1969)

2 votes

II (1969)

2 votes

III (1970)

0 votes

IV (1971)

4 votes

Houses of the Holy (1973)

3 votes

Physical Graffiti (1975)

6 votes

Presence (1976)

0 votes

In Through the Out Door (1979)

1 votes

John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 20 2016 02:44 PM

On this Very Special Episode of Desert Island Mix Tape, you get not one song, but one ALBUM, from legendary cock-rockers Led Zeppelin to take with you on a desert island. Rules are simple: choose one and only one. No live albums. No comps. Studio rekkids only. Explain your work!

seawolf17 Sep 20 2016 03:01 PM Re: Help! My Zeppelin crashed on a desert island!

Houses of the Holy, just on "Over The Hills" and "The Ocean" alone.

TransMonk Sep 20 2016 03:04 PM Re: Help! My Zeppelin crashed on a desert island!

IV fo' sho.

sharpie Sep 20 2016 03:16 PM Re: Help! My Zeppelin crashed on a desert island!

II for me. Then I. Then IV. Then the rest.

Mets Guy in Michigan Sep 20 2016 03:29 PM Re: Help! My Zeppelin crashed on a desert island!

I love Physical Graffiti for the variety. Pulled from odds and ends, it's sprawling -- and not every cut is a winner. I don't like "In My Time of Dying" and at 11 minutes, it's a big chunk. Actually, a number of the songs are way too long. But "10 Years Gone" is dramatic and beautiful, "Kashmir" is brilliant, and "Bron-Yr-Aur" is a wonderful instrumental. "The Rover" is one of my fave Zep songs and even seeming throwaways like "Down by the Seaside" and "Boogie with Stu" are fun. "Houses of Holy" should have been on that album -- replace "Dancing Days," please -- but it fits in here, too. You could do a White Album exercise and cut it down to a single disc and it would be incredible. But like the White Album, some of the fun is in the quirky stuff that would get cut.

cooby Sep 20 2016 04:01 PM Re: Help! My Zeppelin crashed on a desert island!

This could take days. It's a good thing you limited to album selections

d'Kong76 Sep 20 2016 04:18 PM Re: Help! My Zeppelin crashed on a desert island!

Mets Guy in Michigan wrote: I don't like "In My Time of Dying" and at 11 minutes, it's a big chunk. Funny it's one of my favorites and I've joked that I'd like that played at my wake in an endless loop. If you haven't already, check out the live version from Earl's Court on Led Zeppelin DVD. Song Facts

John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 20 2016 04:29 PM Re: Help! My Zeppelin crashed on a desert island!

I asked this question of you because I'm struggling with it myself. I found a copy of HAMMER OF THE GODS at a used bookstore recently and am reading up on their story for the first time. It was clear to me right away that I was never going to be the biggest Zeppelin fan on my bus stop, by a long shot, so I tended to be satisfied with the volume of it that played on the radio. The only one I ever had was a version of HOUSES I cassette-taped when checked out from the library. In my old age I'm realizing that for all their overblown metaphysical celtic/blues bullshit, and their tendency to steal, they also had a sense of humor and thankfully didn't hang around too long.

batmagadanleadoff Sep 20 2016 04:45 PM Re: Help! My Zeppelin crashed on a desert island!

Mets Guy in Michigan wrote: I love Physical Graffiti for the variety. Pulled from odds and ends .... Not exactly. The band set out to record PG as an album of brand new material, just as they'd recorded every other album, to date. They ended up recording more than an album's worth of songs. So instead of trimming down the new material to get to what was album length in the mid-70's, the band reached into its vault of unreleased tracks to get PG to double album length. Hence, the double album. And In My Time of Dying absolutely rocks at 11+ minutes. It's their longest studio song and worth every second.

batmagadanleadoff Sep 20 2016 04:47 PM Re: Help! My Zeppelin crashed on a desert island!

d'Kong76 wrote: Mets Guy in Michigan wrote: I don't like "In My Time of Dying" and at 11 minutes, it's a big chunk. Funny it's one of my favorites and I've joked that I'd like that played at my wake in an endless loop. If you haven't already, check out the live version from Earl's Court on Led Zeppelin DVD. Song Facts It's one of my faves too. It comes off as a studio live recording, and it features what I think is some of the best interplay (what is that called? call and repeat?) between Page and Plant.

cooby Sep 20 2016 05:00 PM Re: Help! My Zeppelin crashed on a desert island!

Physical Graffiti My son played Kashmir constantly in Middle School. It's a depressing dreadful tune but I like it and I miss those days so I'll go with that Lots to choose from here

Frayed Knot Sep 20 2016 05:15 PM Re: Help! My Zeppelin crashed on a desert island! Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Sep 20 2016 06:54 PM

I've long had a complicated relationship with Led Zep. I was always a significant jump below those who worshipped them (and there were plenty of those at the time) but certainly didn't DISlike them. But during what became the increasingly annoying 'Classic Rock' era of radio, the over-exposure of selected and aging acts caused me to turn against them and LZ became the symbol to me of everything that was evil about that format -- Carol Miller and her "Zep-tember" promotions and the like. To my credit Robert Plant himself agreed with me saying, during an interview at one point, that the best thing that could happen to 'our music' is for no one to play it for at least a year - and for me the self-imposed exile lasted a lot longer than that. That said, I always tended towards the earlier/bluesier stuff (aka: the numbered albums) more so than the later HOUSES/GRAFFITI era stuff. So my ultimate vote will be somewhere along the lines of Sharpie's, but after being intentionally disconnected from them for so long I'm going to have to go back and review song lists so I remember what songs were from where before I can choose a specific order. So I'll get back to you on my vote.

sharpie Sep 20 2016 05:41 PM Re: Help! My Zeppelin crashed on a desert island!

Similar to Frayed Knot. When LZ first came around I was in middle school and all the kids I hated loved them. This only became more pronounced the longer their career went on. Robert Plant exemplified for me everything that I hated in rock stars down to his hair, his clothes, his whole attitude. Like everyone else my age, each album's release was treated as an important event until Houses of the Holy when I felt free to pretty much ignore them except for the singles, some of which I liked some of which I didn't. The first couple of albums, before they became what they became, still do it for me.

Edgy MD Sep 20 2016 06:12 PM Re: Help! My Zeppelin crashed on a desert island!

I went for In Through the Out Door. Every song on side one is danceable for different reasons, and when it's LZ, you dance 'til you drop. I love how Jimmy stumbles into his solos. I tend to think he's not a great soloist. Musically, they don't always go somewhere. But as a producer, he's brilliant, and I love how his solos burst out of the mix, when you didn't realize there was room for one more layer with one more voice. Yeah, the fawning of Carol Miller and other cultists made me keep them at arm's length, but I bought up the catalog when it came out on CD and was pretty stunned. No filler on Zeppelin albums.

d'Kong76 Sep 20 2016 06:13 PM Re: Help! My Zeppelin crashed on a desert island!

I know all of these albums quite intimately, and still listen to them all regularly. In Through the Out Door probably the least so I know I won't vote for that. I felt at the time they partially mailed that one in. I remember me and my friends weren't too thrilled with the gimmicky half dozen or so album covers. It was like Swan Song had gone all Topps on us, not that we were clever enough back then to come up with such an analogy. I like all the Zep album covers, especially lll. But six different ones wrapped so you can't see them was kinda fucked up. I miss the feeling of holding a new record album cover in your hands and just soaking it all up. This morning I was just going to vote for the album I listen to the most. Makes some sense right? It must be my favorite. But then I started going over things in my head, I haven't listened to anything today, they are ingrained in my head. Every single song. I realized a case could be made for like five of them or even seven so I have to go back and revisit and make some notes.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 20 2016 06:17 PM Re: Help! My Zeppelin crashed on a desert island!

I've been changing the station when this song comes on the air for 30 years but I did like this video. [youtube:2fe0o7a8]DDo4CA13LbY[/youtube:2fe0o7a8]

Mets Guy in Michigan Sep 20 2016 06:32 PM Re: Help! My Zeppelin crashed on a desert island!

Edgy MD wrote: I went for In Through the Out Door. Every song on side one is danceable for different reasons, and when it's LZ, you dance 'til you drop. I love how Jimmy stumbles into his solos. I tend to think he's not a great soloist. Musically, they don't always go somewhere. But as a producer, he's brilliant, and I love how his solos burst out of the mix, when you didn't realize there was room for one more layer with one more voice. Yeah, the fawning of Carol Miller and other cultists made me keep them at arm's length, but I bought up the catalog when it came out on CD and was pretty stunned. No filler on Zeppelin albums. In Through the Out Door is definitely different from the others,a and who knows where the band would have drifted had Bonham not died. But "In the Evening" is, I dare say, a better roll-down-the-windows, crank-up-the-volume song than "Rock and Roll." "Fool in the Rain" is quirky cool, with the drum sections. "All of my Love" is beautiful.

Mets Willets Point Sep 20 2016 06:40 PM Re: Help! My Zeppelin crashed on a desert island!

Went with Physical Graffiti. It's a double album after all and I have a lot of spare time on the island and need some variety. Although I also like their earlier, bluesier stuff. too.

cooby Sep 20 2016 06:47 PM Re: Help! My Zeppelin crashed on a desert island!

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I've been changing the station when this song comes on the air for 30 years but I did like this video. [youtube]DDo4CA13LbY[/youtube] There was a lady we all know who changed my life and washed this shirt ... Awesome little film!

dgwphotography Sep 20 2016 06:51 PM Re: Help! My Zeppelin crashed on a desert island!

"When it comes down to making out, whenever possible, put on side one of Led Zeppelin IV"

John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 20 2016 07:20 PM Re: Help! My Zeppelin crashed on a desert island!

Mets Guy in Michigan wrote: Edgy MD wrote: I went for In Through the Out Door. Every song on side one is danceable for different reasons, and when it's LZ, you dance 'til you drop. I love how Jimmy stumbles into his solos. I tend to think he's not a great soloist. Musically, they don't always go somewhere. But as a producer, he's brilliant, and I love how his solos burst out of the mix, when you didn't realize there was room for one more layer with one more voice. Yeah, the fawning of Carol Miller and other cultists made me keep them at arm's length, but I bought up the catalog when it came out on CD and was pretty stunned. No filler on Zeppelin albums. In Through the Out Door is definitely different from the others,a and who knows where the band would have drifted had Bonham not died. But "In the Evening" is, I dare say, a better roll-down-the-windows, crank-up-the-volume song than "Rock and Roll." "Fool in the Rain" is quirky cool, with the drum sections. "All of my Love" is beautiful. I'm with you 100% on "Evening" and even "Fool" but I've always hated "All of My Love." As I recall, ITTOD came new in a brown-paper cover, then the "wipe" bar-scene cover inside. That was a "clue" that you could take a damp sponge and colorize the inner sleeve.

soupcan Sep 20 2016 07:49 PM Re: Help! My Zeppelin crashed on a desert island!

This is almost an impossible question, BUT I have to go with Physical Graffiti. Honestly though, you could give me any from a combination of PG, IV, III or I and I'd be fine with it. I think the tipping point for me is I need to hear 'Boogie With Stu' often for the rest of my life.

Edgy MD Sep 20 2016 07:55 PM Re: Help! My Zeppelin crashed on a desert island!

Heirs to Mrs. Valens would be very appreciative.

d'Kong76 Sep 20 2016 08:22 PM Re: Help! My Zeppelin crashed on a desert island!

dgwphotography wrote: "When it comes down to making out, whenever possible, put on side one of Led Zeppelin IV" Segue to Kashmir from Physical Graffiti...

Vic Sage Sep 20 2016 08:41 PM Re: Help! My Zeppelin crashed on a desert island!

Similar to Frayed Knot. When LZ first came around I was in middle school and all the kids I hated loved them. This only became more pronounced the longer their career went on. Robert Plant exemplified for me everything that I hated in rock stars down to his hair, his clothes, his whole attitude. Like everyone else my age, each album's release was treated as an important event until Houses of the Holy when I felt free to pretty much ignore them except for the singles, some of which I liked some of which I didn't. The first couple of albums, before they became what they became, still do it for me. This, for me too. But if i were to pick one album, I guess it would be ZEP IV, which has the most songs i enjoyed back in my high school/college years, and which i can still listen to in its entirety without wincing (i think). The other albums have 1-3 songs each, max, and often at least 1 self-indulgent wank fest that would make the album unlistenable for me. after ZEP IV, i'd rank them as: zII,GRAFFITI, zIII, and zI I don't like the others much at all: HOUSES, DOOR, PRESENCE

John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 20 2016 08:58 PM Re: Help! My Zeppelin crashed on a desert island!

soupcan wrote: This is almost an impossible question.... Finest commentary on Desert Island Mix Tape ever! My work is done here!!

HahnSolo Sep 20 2016 09:12 PM Re: Help! My Zeppelin crashed on a desert island!

#1 has always been my favorite.

Rockin' Doc Sep 20 2016 11:47 PM Re: Help! My Zeppelin crashed on a desert island!

I was never a big Led Zeppelin fan growing up. Largely due to the fact they were at their peak at a time in my life (ages 9- ) when I truly wasn't that interested in music. I had no older siblings and my parents certainly weren't listening to the Led Zeppelin, so I really didn't hear their music much until years later. I was far more familiar with the Beatles and the Beach Boys. It was from the classic rock radio format that I became familiar with Led Zeppelin and their music. So I was late coming to the party, so to speak. Somehow, my son was a huge Led Zeppelin fan during his high school years, even though their last studio release was 25 years before his graduation. I had to review the track listings on the albums as I am far more familiar with the songs than I am the albums. It's a tough call between II and IV, but I voted for Led Zeppelin II.

Fman99 Sep 21 2016 02:10 AM Re: Help! My Zeppelin crashed on a desert island!

I love all of their albums, and have since I was 14 or so. I've gone through phases where I listen to them less but there are still songs on every album that I love. Jimmy Page is as emotive on the guitar as anyone. Having said that, I lean towards the stuff that I feel got the least FM air time and therefore seems freshest to me. And between that, and sheer volume, I'm taking Physical Graffiti with me to my island, and it's not really that close a call.

Frayed Knot Sep 21 2016 02:24 AM Re: Help! My Zeppelin crashed on a desert island!

Rockin' Doc wrote: Somehow, my son was a huge Led Zeppelin fan during his high school years, even though their last studio release was 25 years before his graduation. Because ... a) Zeppelin was made for teenage white boys and b) their music probably got more air-time after the band was defunct than they did while they were active

batmagadanleadoff Sep 21 2016 03:25 AM Re: Help! My Zeppelin crashed on a desert island!

I've been avoiding this poll all day because limiting myself to just one LZ album is a bastard of a Hobson's Choice for me to have to make. They're probably my favorite band and have been so for most of my adult life. I'm also immune to all of the criticism the band is getting here on account of all the radio play they've gotten over the years. Mainly because I stopped listening to the radio for my pop music a long long time ago but also, because it makes no sense to me to punish a band just because they get air-play. It's also probably a chicken-egg thing. They probably get so much air-play because they're that effin good. With that said, I'd say my desert island choice is a toss-up between the first two albums. (See, after all this, I still can't give a straight answer) I go back and forth on those two whenever I get into discussions about my favorite LZ album. Originally, I was drawn to LZ on account of their earlier more blues-based sound, but over the years, I've come to appreciate the changes to their musical styles. I'm not so crazy about what JCL describes as their Celtic lyrics, either (others call it Tolkien), but I can tune out the words so that they sound like a muddled blur of music tone instead of actual words. I also have tons of LZ bootlegs and still listen to their discography on a regular basis. Well, not all of it. I hardly listen to Presence and rarely In Through the Out Door. Actually, the only song I really listen to on ITTOD is In the Evening. Dance to Led Zeppelin? Who the fuck dances to Led Zeppelin?

cooby Sep 21 2016 11:49 AM Re: Help! My Zeppelin crashed on a desert island!

Frayed Knot wrote: Rockin' Doc wrote: Somehow, my son was a huge Led Zeppelin fan during his high school years, even though their last studio release was 25 years before his graduation. Because ... a) Zeppelin was made for teenage white boys and b) their music probably got more air-time after the band was defunct than they did while they were active LOL that explains my son's listening to them all the time too. And btw, Rockin Doc's son and mine are the same age. I wonder if teenaged boys still like them? If I knew one, I'd ask him.

Frayed Knot Sep 21 2016 12:36 PM Re: Help! My Zeppelin crashed on a desert island!

batmagadanleadoff wrote: I'm also immune to all of the criticism the band is getting here on account of all the radio play they've gotten over the years ... it makes no sense to me to punish a band just because they get air-play. It's also probably a chicken-egg thing. They probably get so much air-play because they're that effin good. Plainly put, I just got sick of hearing them. Plus I was never the guy SO into them in the first place (not sure that I even owned an LZ album) that I would sit around and listen to 'backlist' stuff while skipping past the over-played radio tunes. After a while their stuff almost provoked a fingernails on the blackboard reaction to the point where the time between an LZ song coming on the car radio and me hitting another preset button could be measured in micro-seconds. So it was almost a revelation when, seeing ARGO when it first came out, their use of WHEN THE LEVEE BREAKS provoked a 'Hey, this is good shit' reaction from me. That it sounded good after not hearing it for so long (not just that song but the group in general) made me think that my unofficial boycott worked out well all around - although I'll still turn the dial in STAIRWAY comes on ... not that I'd be likely to be listening to stations apt to play Led Zep these days (or even know where to find them) but, y'know, hypothetically.

Edgy MD Sep 21 2016 12:46 PM Re: Help! My Zeppelin crashed on a desert island!

batmagadanleadoff wrote: They probably get so much air-play because they're that effin good. You have a lot more faith in the way radio works than I do.

seawolf17 Sep 21 2016 01:35 PM Re: Help! My Zeppelin crashed on a desert island!

In high school, a friend was putting together "Stairway" for a school talent show and asked me to sing for them. We rehearsed for weeks -- one song, over and over -- and fucking KILLED the audition. KILLED IT. So much that they even put us as the show closer, which was amazing because there was at least one band in that show that's still playing out and around today, twenty-plus years later. Early the week of show rehearsals, our rhythm guitarist started talking a lot of shit, which rankled some of the longtime rockers who were talent show regulars, and on top of that, we deteriorated slowly over the course of the week. It got so bad that some guys from one of the other bands actually tried to sabotage us that night. ("No offense, man, but Rob's a dick.") We stumbled through the actual talent show performance, and I never played with any of those guys ever again.

HahnSolo Sep 21 2016 03:29 PM Re: Help! My Zeppelin crashed on a desert island!

They should bring back VH1 Behind the Music for Seawolf's talent show band. I'd watch it.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 21 2016 03:46 PM Re: Help! My Zeppelin crashed on a desert island!

Good stuff, Wolfie. What kind of shit did Rob talk? Did he try and steal the other band's girlfriends? Is Rob still a dick? What did the other band end up playing? Did they win?

batmagadanleadoff Sep 21 2016 04:00 PM Re: Help! My Zeppelin crashed on a desert island!

Edgy MD wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: They probably get so much air-play because they're that effin good. You have a lot more faith in the way radio works than I do. Nah. Probably more ignorance.

seawolf17 Sep 21 2016 06:56 PM Re: Help! My Zeppelin crashed on a desert island!

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Good stuff, Wolfie. What kind of shit did Rob talk? Did he try and steal the other band's girlfriends? Is Rob still a dick? What did the other band end up playing? Did they win? He talked a lot of shit about how we, as a first-time band, got the big money slot to end the show. A friend of mine pulled me aside midweek and said "Your guitarist needs to shut the hell up. He's a rhythm guitarist on a song with one guitar part, playing on this stage for the first time, and he needs to get over himself." No idea where he is now. The highlight for me that week was sitting backstage jamming out on Pearl Jam's "Black" with a bunch of guys in bands I had ENORMOUS respect for.

HahnSolo Sep 21 2016 07:08 PM Re: Help! My Zeppelin crashed on a desert island!

This story keeps getting better and better.

Edgy MD Sep 21 2016 07:35 PM Re: Help! My Zeppelin crashed on a desert island!

d'Kong76 Sep 21 2016 11:48 PM Re: Help! My Zeppelin crashed on a desert island!

Went with Physical Grafitti, listen to it loud with some good headphones. It never stops, skip Kashmir if you want, it's your album! Plus as Willet said you get two for the price of one... if you can't dance to Night Flight, you can't dance. The segue into Wanton works for me every single time. They could have been money-grubbing dicks and released two albums by the way, but they didn't. I have other comments, but wanted to vote. 25 years ago I probably would have went with LedZep ll

batmagadanleadoff Sep 22 2016 12:38 AM Re: Help! My Zeppelin crashed on a desert island!

Most played Led Zeppelin songs on my iTunes by studio album: Led Zeppelin -- Babe, I'm Gonna Leave You Led Zeppelin II -- (Tie) What is and What Should Never Be and Ramble On Led Zeppelin III -- Hats Off to (Roy) Harper Led Zeppelin IV -- The Battle of Evermore Houses of the Holy -- The Rain Song Physical Graffiti -- Custard Pie Presence -- Royal Orleans In Through the Out Door -- All My Love [fimg=555]http://www.iltatuaggiodistoffa.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Almost-Famous_T-shirt_Led-Zeppelin.jpg[/fimg]

Frayed Knot Sep 22 2016 12:45 AM Re: Help! My Zeppelin crashed on a desert island!

I've decided on IV, followed by I, then II

d'Kong76 Sep 22 2016 12:46 AM Re: Help! My Zeppelin crashed on a desert island!

My brain is going to explode, have to get off the Led Zep for a bit. Where's that confounded bridge?

batmagadanleadoff Sep 22 2016 12:49 AM Re: Help! My Zeppelin crashed on a desert island! Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 22 2016 01:03 AM

MUST SEE TELEVISION. Give it the fullscreen treatment. Jack Black hosts the 2012 Kennedy Center portion of the program honoring Led Zeppelin. [youtube:5prh5lxc]RoD3QFFbEcg[/youtube:5prh5lxc] jump to the 1:08:15 mark

Edgy MD Sep 22 2016 12:52 AM Re: Help! My Zeppelin crashed on a desert island!

I know it's counter to the consensus, but I never got why that performance was such a standout. Seems like standard over-appointed post-rock to me. Then again, if I was paying tribute to Zeppelin, I wouldn't touch "Stairway."

d'Kong76 Sep 22 2016 01:15 AM Re: Help! My Zeppelin crashed on a desert island!

[youtube:2bboq5yt]H1bYW775sYw[/youtube:2bboq5yt]

RealityChuck Sep 22 2016 04:14 PM Re: Help! My Zeppelin crashed on a desert island!

#1 because they were plagiarizing better songs. [youtube:32epuuxj]pTsvs-pAGDc[/youtube:32epuuxj] #4 is my second choice. The rest are too hit or miss.

d'Kong76 Sep 22 2016 06:12 PM Re: Help! My Zeppelin crashed on a desert island!

The song wasn't plagiarized, it's common knowledge what it's roots/origins are. Wiki - "Dazed and Confused" is a song written and performed by Jake Holmes. It was covered by the Yardbirds and later inspired a reworking by Led Zeppelin.[1][2] [1] Fast, Susan. In the Houses of the Holy : Led Zeppelin and the Power of Rock Music. Books.google.com. Retrieved 18 January 2015. [2] https://mobile.ascap.com/aceclient/AceC ... /340128276 ASCAP: Dazed and Confused

Edgy MD Sep 22 2016 06:20 PM Re: Help! My Zeppelin crashed on a desert island!

Edgy MD wrote: I know it's counter to the consensus, but I never got why that performance was such a standout. Seems like standard over-appointed post-rock to me. Then again, if I was paying tribute to Zeppelin, I wouldn't touch "Stairway." This is not in response to the KC Honor, only to the Heart performance. Then again, I kinda feel Kennedy Center Honors should go to American artists.

d'Kong76 Sep 22 2016 06:23 PM Re: Help! My Zeppelin crashed on a desert island!

I didn't re-watch it, but I've seen it. I think the thing that got it all trending and whatever the other buzzwords are was the emotional reactions of Plant, et al?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 22 2016 07:12 PM Re: Help! My Zeppelin crashed on a desert island!

I think adding a black church chorus on the one hand makes stuff sound emotional and powerful, and on the other hand, is hugely cliche.

Edgy MD Sep 22 2016 07:14 PM Re: Help! My Zeppelin crashed on a desert island!

And usually a little bit racially troubling and exploitative.

RealityChuck Sep 24 2016 10:08 PM Re: Help! My Zeppelin crashed on a desert island!

The song wasn't plagiarized, it's common knowledge what it's roots/origins are. Wiki - "Dazed and Confused" is a song written and performed by Jake Holmes. It was covered by the Yardbirds and later inspired a reworking by Led Zeppelin.[1][2] [1] Fast, Susan. In the Houses of the Holy : Led Zeppelin and the Power of Rock Music. Books.google.com. Retrieved 18 January 2015. [2] https://mobile.ascap.com/aceclient/AceC ... /340128276 ASCAP: Dazed and Confused It was taken from him without credit, something Led Zep was inordinately prone to do. His name is not on the song (and he's not the only one who was treated that way). Taking something without proper credit is the textbook definition of plagiarism. If you did that in an academic environment, you'd be kicked out. See [youtube]tiiY4ciKFQA[/youtube] And compare Led Zeppelin to Eric Clapton, who went out of his way to contact the heirs of the songwriters whose songs he used, so they got their proper payment.

batmagadanleadoff Sep 24 2016 10:33 PM Re: Help! My Zeppelin crashed on a desert island!

Of course Dazed & Confused was plagiarized, which is too nice a word for what Page and LZ did. Stolen is more like it. LZ could not have come up with that song by random coincidence - you know, like the one million monkeys on one million typewriters thought experiment. Did you ever listen to Holmes' original? It's the same song. Holmes was an opening act for the Yardbirds when Page was a member. Holmes played D&C as part of his set before the Yarbirds and recorded a studio version for his then released album. That's how he came to know the song. It quickly became part of the Page Yardbirds live set and eventually carried over to LZ. [youtube]pTsvs-pAGDc[/youtube] [youtube]3ffBRhtWjEQ[/youtube]

Frayed Knot Sep 25 2016 12:00 AM Re: Help! My Zeppelin crashed on a desert island!

RealityChuck wrote: [youtube]tiiY4ciKFQA[/youtube] Much of that is some pretty blatant shit. Looking up Holmes (who I knew virtually nothing about) you gotta get a kick out of the fact that he's responsible for both D&C and also the 'Be a Pepper' jingle for Dr. Pepper's ad agency.

d'Kong76 Sep 25 2016 12:28 AM Re: Help! My Zeppelin crashed on a desert island!

Rock 'n roll is not the academic community and if Holmes or his heirs had/have a beef they have these things called attorneys and courts to seek damages. Did Holmes or any interested parties ever beef about the song inspiring a re-work?

batmagadanleadoff Sep 25 2016 12:29 AM Re: Help! My Zeppelin crashed on a desert island!

The video RealityChuck posted implies that LZ stole/copied the Willie Dixon vocal version of Bring it on Home. Incorrect. Although Dixon wrote the song, the version lifted by LZ was that of legendary harmonica player Sonny Boy Williamson, who coincidentally, toured with the Eric Clapton era Yardbirds in '64. Here's the Sonny Boy version, below. And although LZ plagiarized it, you gotta admit, Robert Plant nails the Sonny Boy sound about as well as anybody ever did. [youtube]nHpqQaf0EK8[/youtube]

Frayed Knot Sep 25 2016 12:34 AM Re: Help! My Zeppelin crashed on a desert island!

d'Kong76 wrote: Did Holmes or any interested parties ever beef about the song inspiring a re-work? Yes, although belatedly with the parties "settling out of court". But the bottom line is that it's just dirty pool. There's nothing wrong with reworking older tunes but at least give acknowledgement of where/who they came from rather than pretending that they were all yours.

batmagadanleadoff Sep 25 2016 12:35 AM Re: Help! My Zeppelin crashed on a desert island!

d'Kong76 wrote: Rock 'n roll is not the academic community and if Holmes or his heirs had/have a beef they have these things called attorneys and courts to seek damages. Did Holmes or any interested parties ever beef about the song inspiring a re-work? ] They did. Holmes eventually sued. The parties settled out of court for a large undisclosed sum of money. Holmes signed a confidentiality agreement as part of the settlement. Dazed and Confused was a staple of LZ's live set, about as likely to be played as any other LZ song. It was also usually their longest concert song, often stretched out to over half an hour. This from a band that easily generated over a billion dollars in revenue over its life.

d'Kong76 Sep 25 2016 12:46 AM Re: Help! My Zeppelin crashed on a desert island!

I'll have to read-up a little more on some of this stuff, but my feeling is that it's always been more of popping a hole in the Led Zep balloon looking for conspiracy and stuff than it was dirty pool or blatant 'let's steal this' or 'this is good, let's plagiarize it' on their parts. The one or two follow up quotes I quickly looked up by band members after out of court settlements sound reasonable to me. Like I said, it's rock 'n roll... seven notes, not copying someones thoughts on Moby Dick. (the book, not the song haha)

John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 25 2016 05:03 AM Re: Help! My Zeppelin crashed on a desert island!

You can't fault Page for his tastes but his ethics were off the charts awful. Never credited anyone. I think part of it was Zep's iconoclasm, making enemies of everyone was a part of their whole schtick.

Edgy MD Sep 25 2016 12:40 PM Re: Help! My Zeppelin crashed on a desert island!

Even when they did something gracious, crediting "Mrs. Valenz" for "Boogie with Stu," they were cheating, funnelling credit (and money) past the publisher who actually owned the Ritchie Valens song they were knocking off. They were shocked—SHOCKED—to find themselves sued once again. By the way, it's John Bonham Day.

d'Kong76 Sep 25 2016 01:11 PM Re: Help! My Zeppelin crashed on a desert island!

Led Zeppelin, the NY Yankees of hard rock.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 19 2016 01:13 AM Re: Help! My Zeppelin crashed on a desert island!

Nobody voted for III

d'Kong76 Oct 19 2016 01:41 AM Re: Help! My Zeppelin crashed on a desert island!

I love all their albums except for the last one. They're all different in their own special way, and they are the Zed Leppelin. I got turned off by the negativity so I forgot about this thread. They stole this they stole that; been a long time, been a long time... get over it.

d'Kong76 Oct 23 2016 09:00 PM Re: Help! My Zeppelin crashed on a desert island!

[youtube:2n3e1hql]0i72LjAnhlg[/youtube:2n3e1hql] "What are you getting all misty-eyed about." "After all these years, people question this." "Question what?" "This, the Zed Leppelin" "You're not well." "You knew that going in. Sshhh, the segue into Wanton is about to happen!"

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 24 2016 01:15 PM Re: Help! My Zeppelin crashed on a desert island!

http://desertislandmixtape.blogspot.com ... lemon.html