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Winter 2016 - 17 Manager Carousel

Frayed Knot Oct 03 2016 11:28 PM

... and it's already begun to spin. - Robin Ventura is out in Chicago after five years. Rick Renteria already named successor (apparently he wants to be 'Rick' now even though he was 'Rich' during his playing career). Renteria will become only the second manager to skipper both the Cubs (for one season in 2014 ... then Maddon became available) and the White Sox, and I'm betting none of youse here can name the other*. - Walt Weiss "steps down" as Colorado manager. Of course "stepped down" can often mean pushed. Either way, it wasn't a good day for guys who previously walked directly into the job with no previous apprenticeship. - and now word that the D'Backs have axed both former NYM bench coach Chip Hale and GM Dave Stewart. One would assume this decision was largely Tony LaRussa's although it was announced by 'managing general partner' Ken Kendrick - Oh, and Barry Bonds is out as Marlins hitting coach. Many of the right things were said about BB -- and, let's face it, just by lasting the whole season he beat a lot of folks' Over/Under guesses by about 125 games. But apparently he wasn't hitting it off with Donnie and there were always rumors of 'diminishing commitment' * Johnny Evers (yes, that Evers) who piloted the Cubs in 1913 (as a 31 y/o playing mgr) and again in 1921 (but no seasons in between) and the ChiSox for two disconnected stints in 1924

MFS62 Oct 03 2016 11:54 PM Re: Winter 2016 - 17 Manager Carousel

Frayed Knot wrote: .- Oh, and Barry Bonds is out as Marlins hitting coach. there were always rumors of 'diminishing commitment' Y'mean the 'roid rage is finally wearing off? Later

Zvon Oct 04 2016 03:20 AM Re: Winter 2016 - 17 Manager Carousel

Frayed Knot wrote: - Oh, and Barry Bonds is out as Marlins hitting coach. Many of the right things were said about BB -- and, let's face it, just by lasting the whole season he beat a lot of folks' Over/Under guesses by about 125 games. But apparently he wasn't hitting it off with Donnie and there were always rumors of 'diminishing commitment' Every friggin time I saw him he was smiling and hugging a player. I don't know if the guy just got a HR or scored or what, but there was Bonds interjecting himself into the moment. It looked like the players enjoyed the hugs but who knows. I never saw him hug Mattingly.

Edgy MD Oct 04 2016 04:18 AM Re: Winter 2016 - 17 Manager Carousel

It sure seemed like he got the job done to me, but I'm guessing that Stanton is one of the three or four hitters out there who get to hire and fire their team's batting coaches.

Fman99 Oct 04 2016 12:09 PM Re: Winter 2016 - 17 Manager Carousel

I have no recollection of Ventura in a Cubs uniform as skipper.

Edgy MD Oct 04 2016 12:11 PM Re: Winter 2016 - 17 Manager Carousel

That's because there are no memories to be had. It was Renteria who was a Cubs skipper before taking over the Sox.

Fman99 Oct 04 2016 12:19 PM Re: Winter 2016 - 17 Manager Carousel

Edgy MD wrote: That's because there are no memories to be had. It was Renteria who was a Cubs skipper before taking over the Sox. That explains it then. I need more coffee.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 04 2016 02:53 PM Re: Winter 2016 - 17 Manager Carousel Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 04 2016 03:00 PM

The White Sox are one of my favorite name-a-manager teams. They gave LaRussa his first gig (I think) and historically haven't been afraid to make odd and bold choices of virgin managerial material: Ozzie Guillen! Gangsta Jerry! Ventura! This retread Renteria hiring is sorta disappointing in that regard. I think it takes a certain amount of courage and CAHNfidence to name a first-time manager; the Mets scored big [crossout:gof7pi5t]twice[/crossout:gof7pi5t] once ([crossout:gof7pi5t]Hodges[/crossout:gof7pi5t], Johnson) and whiffed a few times (Frazier, Wee Willie Small Balls). I think it's obvious in hindsight they had better vision for the entire organization when it has worked out. I guess that's also true of retread hires, but the former are so much more exciting.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 04 2016 02:57 PM Re: Winter 2016 - 17 Manager Carousel

Hodges wasn't a first-timer; he had been managing the Washington Senators.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 04 2016 02:59 PM Re: Winter 2016 - 17 Manager Carousel

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Hodges wasn't a first-timer; he had been managing the Washington Senators. d'oh. I knew that

seawolf17 Oct 04 2016 03:02 PM Re: Winter 2016 - 17 Manager Carousel

Yes, but it was his first time managing the METS, so his other jobs don't matter.

RealityChuck Oct 04 2016 04:18 PM Re: Winter 2016 - 17 Manager Carousel

Traded to get Hodges from the Senators:

seawolf17 Oct 04 2016 04:35 PM Re: Winter 2016 - 17 Manager Carousel

"Hey, Senators. Give us Gil Hodges, and we'll give you this mint PSA 9 Tom Seaver rookie card." "DEAL!"

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 04 2016 09:25 PM Re: Winter 2016 - 17 Manager Carousel

I think the Mets would do well to get Chip Hale back in the org. There's an opening at AAA Vegas and if the recent Klapisch report* is true, we would need someone a heartbeat away. At worst we could use his dynamic 3rd-base coaching again. * - I think this escaped discussion here but Klap says some Mets People say TC almost got whacked after that Familia blown save loss to San Diego. It doesn't have enough detail to report whether they had a replace-Met manager, but I guess in these cases it goes to the bench coach. The article is largely complimentary of Collins and I would agree on the big points. The writers love him, the players seem to, and there's no amount of adversity that managed to stop them completely this year, though it looked a lot like it a few times. I think this is a finish where the manager deserves some extra credit and maybe some MOY Love this year, though I heard Buster Olney say Dusty and Dave Roberts would be ahead of him, and Maddon will probably get a lot of support too. http://www.northjersey.com/sports/klapi ... -1.1670564

Benjamin Grimm Oct 04 2016 09:37 PM Re: Winter 2016 - 17 Manager Carousel

Well, Terry is certain to be invited back. Maybe what he needs is a really smart bench coach. I remember after Jerry was fired Chip Hale was the guy I was rooting for to get the manager job. I think I'd welcome him back as a bench coach.

Gwreck Oct 04 2016 09:59 PM Re: Winter 2016 - 17 Manager Carousel

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I remember after Jerry was fired Chip Hale was the guy I was rooting for to get the manager job. I think I'd welcome him back as a bench coach. Chip Hale was the runner-up to Terry for that job. I too would like to see him as the Mets' manager when Terry retires (either this year or next).

Frayed Knot Oct 05 2016 02:09 AM Re: Winter 2016 - 17 Manager Carousel

And here's a copy of the home game so you can play along with our studio audience TEAM MANAGER Signed Thru STATUS BEGAN METS Terry Collins 2017 Nov '10 PHILLIES Pete MacKanin 2017 + 2018 option June '15 NATIONALS Dusty Baker 2017 Nov '15 MARLINS Don Mattingly 2019 Nov '15 BRAVES Brian Snitker Still "Interim" May ‘16 CARDINALS Mike Matheny 2017 Nov '13 PIRATES Clint Hurdle 2017 + 2018 option Nov '10 CUBS Joe Maddon 2019 Oct '14 REDS Bryan Price 2016 Oct '13 BREWERS Craig Counsel 2017 May '15 DODGERS Dave Roberts 2018 + 2019 Option Nov ’15 GIANTS Bruce Bochy 2019 Oct ‘16 PADRES Andy Green 2016 Nov '15 DBACKS [crossout]Chip Hale[/crossout] 2016 + ’17 Option Fired Oct '16 Oct '14 ROCKIES [crossout]Walt Weiss[/crossout] 2016 Resigned Oct '16 Oct '13 RED SOX John Farrell 2017 + 2018 option Oct '12 YANKEES Joe Girardi 2017 Oct '07 ORIOLES Buck Showalter 2018 July ‘10 BLUE JAYS John Gibbons 2017 Nov '12 RAYS Kevin Cash 2019 Dec ‘14 TIGERS Brad Ausmus 2016 + 2017 Option Nov '13 INDIANS Terry Francona 2018 + Options for ’19 & ‘20 Oct '12 ROYALS Ned Yost 2018 May '10 TWINS Paul Molitor 2017 Nov '14 WHITE SOX [crossout]Robin Ventura[/crossout] 2016 Rick Renteria hired - Oct ‘16 Oct '16 ANGELS Mike Scioscia 2018 Nov '99 RANGERS Jeff Banister 2018 + 2019 Option Oct '14 MARINERS Scott Servais "Multi-Year" Contract Oct '15 ASTROS AJ Hinch 2018 Sep ‘14 ATHLETICS Bob Melvin 2018 June ‘11

Edgy MD Oct 05 2016 03:45 AM Re: Winter 2016 - 17 Manager Carousel

I realize bad teams make managers look bad but Snitker and MacKanin looked totally at of their depth. And I say that while fully realizing that the SHaBs totally pantsed the SHaMs out there.

Frayed Knot Oct 07 2016 02:18 PM Re: Winter 2016 - 17 Manager Carousel

Snitiker is apparently under consideration for the permanent Braves job as he and former SD skipper Bud Black are reportedly the leading two candidates. And whoever winds up with the job is going to have to hire a new pitching coach as Atlanta has opted NOT to pick up the contract of Roger McDowell, ending his 11 year run at that post.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 07 2016 02:25 PM Re: Winter 2016 - 17 Manager Carousel

Frayed Knot wrote: Snitiker is apparently under consideration for the permanent Braves job as he and former SD skipper Bud Black are reportedly the leading two candidates. And whoever winds up with the job is going to have to hire a new pitching coach as Atlanta has opted NOT to pick up the contract of Roger McDowell, ending his 11 year run at that post. Speaking of the answer to that trivia question I asked in HOF thread. McDowell arrived at Bowling Green U just as Hershiser departed.

Frayed Knot Oct 11 2016 01:34 PM Re: Winter 2016 - 17 Manager Carousel

Frayed Knot wrote: - and now word that the D'Backs have axed both former NYM bench coach Chip Hale and GM Dave Stewart. One would assume this decision was largely Tony LaRussa's although it was announced by 'managing general partner' Ken Kendrick LaRussa's position with Arizona apparently remains "undecided" which may be why two execs have already turned down invites to interview for the now vacant GM job including former Toronto GM Alex Anthropoulos. Reportedly the DBacks are after Washington GM/VP Mike Rizzo (so says ESPN's Jim Bowden) although that will have to wait until after his season is over. Rizzo started his scouting and front office career w/Arizona but I think he pretty much has free reign where he is now so whether he's interested in moving might have a lot to do with the future status of one Mr. LaRussa.

Frayed Knot Oct 12 2016 01:31 AM Re: Winter 2016 - 17 Manager Carousel

Brian Snitiker gets the full-time gig in Atlanta. Ron Washington to come aboard as bench coach TEAM MANAGER Signed Thru STATUS BEGAN METS Terry Collins 2017 Nov '10 PHILLIES Pete MacKanin 2017 + 2018 option June '15 NATIONALS Dusty Baker 2017 Nov '15 MARLINS Don Mattingly 2019 Nov '15 BRAVES Brian Snitker 2017 w/option for '18 Removed from interim status - Oct '16 May ‘16 CARDINALS Mike Matheny 2017 Nov '13 PIRATES Clint Hurdle 2017 + 2018 option Nov '10 CUBS Joe Maddon 2019 Oct '14 REDS Bryan Price 2016 Oct '13 BREWERS Craig Counsel 2017 May '15 DODGERS Dave Roberts 2018 + 2019 Option Nov ’15 GIANTS Bruce Bochy 2019 Oct ‘16 PADRES Andy Green 2016 Nov '15 DBACKS [crossout]Chip Hale[/crossout] 2016 + ’17 Option Fired Oct '16 Oct '14 ROCKIES [crossout]Walt Weiss[/crossout] 2016 Resigned Oct '16 Oct '13 RED SOX John Farrell 2017 + 2018 option Oct '12 YANKEES Joe Girardi 2017 Oct '07 ORIOLES Buck Showalter 2018 July ‘10 BLUE JAYS John Gibbons 2017 Nov '12 RAYS Kevin Cash 2019 Dec ‘14 TIGERS Brad Ausmus 2016 + 2017 Option Nov '13 INDIANS Terry Francona 2018 + Options for ’19 & ‘20 Oct '12 ROYALS Ned Yost 2018 May '10 TWINS Paul Molitor 2017 Nov '14 WHITE SOX [crossout]Robin Ventura[/crossout] 2016 Rick Renteria hired - Oct ‘16 Oct '16 ANGELS Mike Scioscia 2018 Nov '99 RANGERS Jeff Banister 2018 + 2019 Option Oct '14 MARINERS Scott Servais "Multi-Year" Contract Oct '15 ASTROS AJ Hinch 2018 Sep ‘14 ATHLETICS Bob Melvin 2018 June ‘11

Fman99 Oct 12 2016 12:05 PM Re: Winter 2016 - 17 Manager Carousel

Surprised to see that only a few managers have been at the helm in their current gigs as long as Terry has. It doesn't seem like six seasons have gone by.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 13 2016 10:23 AM Re: Winter 2016 - 17 Manager Carousel

Padres whack CEO Mike Dee. Yeah, with his bad self runnin things and his bad-breath onion rings. I missed the whole kefluffle but apparently one his many fuckups was trying to get away with opening a Padres Hall of Fame named in honor of that San Diego great... Bud Selig!? They finally called that plan off. [fimg=300]http://mlb.mlb.com/assets/images/9/8/2/91603982/cuts/selig_1280_ft7rco6n_cj289h1a.jpg[/fimg] Then there's this, but not all under his watch: Tyler Kepner ‏@TylerKepner Oct 11 Playoff teams should give thanks to the Padres, who traded Corey Kluber to Indians, Anthony Rizzo to Cubs and Trea Turner to Nats. Ouch. And of course their GM was suspended for pawning off guys he knew were injured in trades. How is anyone going to trust him again?

Frayed Knot Oct 13 2016 01:02 PM Re: Winter 2016 - 17 Manager Carousel

Yeah, my first reaction here is, 'Good!', maybe now they'll stop sending all their 1st round draft picks to the Nationals: Trea Turner - 13th overall in 2014, and Joe Ross - 25th in 2011 And even worse is that those two went in the same deal (a deal which also involved Rene Rivera) with Turner going less than six months after they drafted him! It was a large three-team trade with players swapping unis all over the place but the only thing the Pads seem to have gotten out of it all was Will Myers who's a decent power hitting 1B but even there he's hitting HRs at a rate only slightly above that of Trea Turner and Turner can run, can play both CF & SS, and is some 2-1/2 years younger. The Padres and, to a lesser degree, the ChiSox showed the folly of trying to use FA-gency to go from the bottom of the heap to the top in a single season. Both tried it recently, both failed miserably.

MFS62 Oct 13 2016 01:31 PM Re: Winter 2016 - 17 Manager Carousel

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Padres whack CEO Mike Dee. Yeah, with his bad self runnin things and his bad-breath onion rings. I missed the whole kefluffle but apparently one his many fuckups was trying to get away with opening a Padres Hall of Fame named in honor of that San Diego great... Bud Selig!? They finally called that plan off. I can't think about that now. I'm making travel plans to visit the Marge Schott Hall of Fame in Cincinnati. Later

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 17 2016 03:04 AM Re: Winter 2016 - 17 Manager Carousel

D-Baggs have hired Red Sox GM Mike Hazen (2nd in command to Dombrowski) as their new GM. Hazen expected to bring Tory Lovullo from Bosox bench coach to new AZ skipper.

Frayed Knot Nov 04 2016 06:37 PM Re: Winter 2016 - 17 Manager Carousel

The DiamondBacks have yet to announce it, but former Boston bench coach Torey Lovello is said to be their new manager. Prior to coaching, the now 51 y/o Lovello played pieces of eight ML seasons for seven different teams from 1988 - 1999 while totaling less than 800 ABs Also a couple of teams have '20/20' vision when it comes to their existing skippers. TEAM MANAGER Signed Thru STATUS BEGAN METS Terry Collins 2017 Nov '10 PHILLIES Pete MacKanin 2017 + 2018 option June '15 NATIONALS Dusty Baker 2017 Nov '15 MARLINS Don Mattingly 2019 Nov '15 BRAVES Brian Snitker =#FF0000]2017 w/option for '18 =#FF0000]Removed from interim status - Oct '16 May ‘16 CARDINALS Mike Matheny 2017 =#00BF40]Extended thru 2020 Nov '13 PIRATES Clint Hurdle 2017 + 2018 option Nov '10 CUBS Joe Maddon 2019 Oct '14 REDS Bryan Price 2016 Oct '13 BREWERS Craig Counsel 2017 May '15 DODGERS Dave Roberts 2018 + 2019 Option Nov ’15 GIANTS Bruce Bochy 2019 Oct ‘16 PADRES Andy Green 2016 Nov '15 DBACKS [crossout]=#FF0000]Chip Hale[/crossout] 2016 + ’17 Option =#FF0000]Torey Lovello hired Oct '14 ROCKIES [crossout]=#FF0000]Walt Weiss[/crossout] 2016 =#FF0000]Resigned Oct '16 Oct '13 RED SOX John Farrell 2017 + 2018 option Oct '12 YANKEES Joe Girardi 2017 Oct '07 ORIOLES Buck Showalter 2018 July ‘10 BLUE JAYS John Gibbons 2017 Nov '12 RAYS Kevin Cash 2019 Dec ‘14 TIGERS Brad Ausmus 2016 + 2017 Option Nov '13 INDIANS Terry Francona 2018 + Options for ’19 & ‘20 Extended thru 2020 Oct '12 ROYALS Ned Yost 2018 May '10 TWINS Paul Molitor 2017 Nov '14 WHITE SOX [crossout]=#FF0000]Robin Ventura[/crossout] 2016 =#FF0000]Rick Renteria hired - Oct ‘16 Oct '16 ANGELS Mike Scioscia 2018 Nov '99 RANGERS Jeff Banister 2018 + 2019 Option Oct '14 MARINERS Scott Servais "Multi-Year" Contract Oct '15 ASTROS AJ Hinch 2018 Sep ‘14 ATHLETICS Bob Melvin 2018 June ‘11

Benjamin Grimm Nov 04 2016 06:53 PM Re: Winter 2016 - 17 Manager Carousel

If someone presented me with the name "Torey Lovello" I would have bet a thousand dollars that she was the star of a new show on The Disney Channel.

Mets Guy in Michigan Nov 05 2016 12:14 AM Re: Winter 2016 - 17 Manager Carousel

Benjamin Grimm wrote: If someone presented me with the name "Torey Lovello" I would have bet a thousand dollars that she was the star of a new show on The Disney Channel. I know him only because he was a hot Tigers prospect when we first moved to Michigan. Sparky was famous for annointing some prospects as "the next..." which usually doomed them. Lovello was one of them.

MFS62 Nov 05 2016 12:18 AM Re: Winter 2016 - 17 Manager Carousel

I thought I remembered that the player spelled his last name differently. I was right: http://www.baseball-reference.com/playe ... to01.shtml Later

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 07 2016 07:41 AM Re: Winter 2016 - 17 Manager Carousel

Like Wesley Snipes, Colorado puts their money somewhere other than IRS coffers, and bets on Black. Black is familiar with the Rockies and the National League West, having managed San Diego from 2007-2015. He was named National League manager of the year in 2010. Black has a 649-713 record as a manager. He also had a 15-year career as a major league pitcher.

Frayed Knot Nov 07 2016 02:05 PM Re: Winter 2016 - 17 Manager Carousel Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Nov 08 2016 03:22 PM

So now that the Rockies have decided to 'Take the Black', maybe that means Jon Snow will be the bench coach to Bud Black's Jeor Mormont Also (just one more black joke, I promise) does the fact that his name is Black mean that this qualifies as a minority hire? TEAM MANAGER Signed Thru STATUS BEGAN METS Terry Collins 2017 Nov '10 PHILLIES Pete MacKanin 2017 + 2018 option June '15 NATIONALS Dusty Baker 2017 Nov '15 MARLINS Don Mattingly 2019 Nov '15 BRAVES Brian Snitker 2017 w/option for '18 Removed from interim status - Oct '16 May ‘16 CARDINALS Mike Matheny 2017 =#00BF40]Extended thru 2020 Nov '13 PIRATES Clint Hurdle 2017 + 2018 option Nov '10 CUBS Joe Maddon 2019 Oct '14 REDS Bryan Price 2016 Oct '13 BREWERS Craig Counsel 2017 May '15 DODGERS Dave Roberts 2018 + 2019 Option Nov ’15 GIANTS Bruce Bochy 2019 Oct ‘16 PADRES Andy Green 2016 Nov '15 DBACKS [crossout]Chip Hale[/crossout] 2016 + ’17 Option Torey Lovullo hired, 2017-19 Oct '14 ROCKIES [crossout]Walt Weiss[/crossout] 2016 Bud Black hired, 2017 - 2019 Oct '13 RED SOX John Farrell 2017 + 2018 option Oct '12 YANKEES Joe Girardi 2017 Oct '07 ORIOLES Buck Showalter 2018 July ‘10 BLUE JAYS John Gibbons 2017 Nov '12 RAYS Kevin Cash 2019 Dec ‘14 TIGERS Brad Ausmus 2016 + 2017 Option Nov '13 INDIANS Terry Francona 2018 + Options for ’19 & ‘20 =#00BF00]Extended thru 2020 Oct '12 ROYALS Ned Yost 2018 May '10 TWINS Paul Molitor 2017 Nov '14 WHITE SOX [crossout]Robin Ventura[/crossout] 2016 Rick Renteria hired - Oct ‘16 Oct '16 ANGELS Mike Scioscia 2018 Nov '99 RANGERS Jeff Banister 2018 + 2019 Option Oct '14 MARINERS Scott Servais "Multi-Year" Contract Oct '15 ASTROS AJ Hinch 2018 Sep ‘14 ATHLETICS Bob Melvin 2018 June ‘11

HahnSolo Nov 08 2016 01:53 PM Re: Winter 2016 - 17 Manager Carousel

Dusty only signed a 2-year deal when they hired him?

Frayed Knot Nov 08 2016 02:30 PM Re: Winter 2016 - 17 Manager Carousel

Dusty only signed a 2-year deal when they hired him? According to Cot's Contracts, yes: 2 years and only $4 million total. Remember that it was all but announced that the Nats were going to hire Bud Black after canning Matt Williams until that fell apart at the last minute and led to Dusty. Supposedly the snag was that Black wanted a longer deal than they were willing to give. Then go back a few years before that when Davey Johnson resurfaced in the dugout off of some org/scouting type of job when Jim Riggleman walked out in mid-season because the team wouldn't negotiate with him for beyond the current year. I guess either ownership or GM Rizzo has a thing about not giving their field managers too long of a leash. Black now winds up getting three years w/the Rox, as did Lovullo in Arizona.