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Frayed Knot Oct 24 2016 01:06 PM

Tues 8PM in Cleveland (Game Time Forecast = 49, mostly cloudy) Wed 8 PM ----- Fri 8 PM in Chicago Sat 8 PM Sun 8 PM ----- Tues 8 PM in Cleveland Wed 8 PM Top Ten Cubs of all time by WAR * CAP ANSON - 84 WAR (Cubs 1876 - 1897) * RON SANTO - 72 WAR (1960 - 1973) * RYNE SANDBERG - 67 WAR (1982 - 1994, 1996 - 1997) * ERNIE BANKS - 67 WAR (1953 - 1971) * BILLY WILLIAMS - 61 WAR (1959 - 1974) SAMMY SOSA - 58 WAR (1992 - 2004) * FERGUSON JENKINS - 55 WAR (1966 - 1973, 1982 - 1983) STAN HACK - 52 WAR (1932 - 1947) * GABBY HARTNETT - 52 WAR (1922 - 1940) RICK REUSCHEL - 49 WAR (1972 - 1981, 1983 - 1984) Top Ten Indians of all time by WAR * NAP LAJOIE - 79 WAR (1902 - 1914) * TRIS SPEAKER - 74 WAR (1916 - 1926) * BOB FELLER - 63 WAR (1936 - 1941, 1945 - 1956) * LOU BOUDREAU - 61 WAR (1938 - 1950) * STAN COVELESKI - 51 WAR (1916 - 1924) * BOB LEMON - 48 WAR (1946 - 1958) KENNY LOFTON - 48 WAR (1991 - 2001, 2007) JIM THOME - 47 WAR (1991 - 2002) * EARL AVERILL - 47 WAR (1929 - 1939) * JOE SEWELL - 45 WAR (1920 - 1930) * = Hall of Fame

bmfc1 Oct 24 2016 02:21 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Are you frigging kidding me? http://mlb.nbcsports.com/2016/10/24/wor ... -joe-west/

d'Kong76 Oct 25 2016 12:29 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Current range of Game #3 tickets at Wrigley on StubHub is $1,908 - $13,011.

MFS62 Oct 25 2016 02:01 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

bmfc1 wrote: Are you frigging kidding me? http://mlb.nbcsports.com/2016/10/24/wor ... -joe-west/ Could be worse. It could be Angel Hernandez. Later

d'Kong76 Oct 25 2016 02:38 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Chi. Cubs at Cleveland When: 8:00 PM ET, Tuesday, October 25, 2016 Where: Progressive Field, Cleveland, Ohio SportsDirect Inc. One long-suffering fan base is guaranteed to be smiling by the end of the World Series while the other will go back to hanging its collective head and listing off curses. The Chicago Cubs try to start snapping a 108-year drought while extending the Indians' streak of World Series futility to 69 years when they visit Cleveland for Game 1 on Tuesday. The Cubs already snapped one long drought just by reaching the World Series for the first time since 1945 when Kyle Hendricks and Aroldis Chapman finished off the Los Angeles Dodgers in Game 6 of the National League Championship Series on Saturday. "Go out there and play the game freely, play the kind of game we're accustomed to playing, which would be we would want to pitch well, catch the ball on defense and work good at-bats," Cubs manager Joe Maddon told reporters of his team's approach. "So when you get to this particular moment, to try to avoid being outcome based, we try to do that all the time, just go out there, continue to work the process." The Indians, like the Cubs, made a move at the deadline to bring in an ace reliever and plucked Andrew Miller from the Yankees. The left-hander and ALCS MVP is proving his worth in the playoffs with 21 strikeouts and five hits allowed in 11 2/3 scoreless innings over six games - in each of which he recorded at least four outs. TV: 8:08 p.m. ET, FOX PITCHING MATCHUP: Cubs LH Jon Lester (2-0, 0.86 ERA) vs. Indians RH Corey Kluber (2-1, 0.98) Chicago started Lester in each of its last two playoff series and was rewarded with dominant performances each time. The two-time World Series champion with the Boston Red Sox was the co-MVP of the NLCS along with second baseman Javier Baez after surrendering two runs in 13 innings in the series against the Dodgers. Lester, who got the nod over Jake Arrieta, owns a 2.50 ERA in 19 career postseason games (17 starts) and is 4-0 with a 3.72 ERA in eight career starts at Progressive Field in Cleveland. Kluber allowed nine hits over 13 1/3 scoreless innings in his first two postseason starts but struggled to close out the ALCS in Game 4 at Toronto, when he was reached for two runs in five frames and absorbed the loss. The former Cy Young Award winner's 20 postseason strikeouts is one behind Miller for the most among pitchers still left in the postseason, though his seven walks are No. 1. Kluber did not walk a batter in his lone previous start against the Cubs and struck out 11 while allowing one run in 7 2/3 innings on Aug. 24, 2015. WALK-OFFS: 1. Indians manager Terry Francona and Cubs president Theo Epstein combined to snap a different World Series drought when they were together with the 2004 Boston Red Sox. 2. Cubs OF Kyle Schwarber has not played since undergoing surgery on his left knee in April but could serve as DH in the World Series. 3. Cleveland RHP Danny Salazar (forearm) threw three innings in a simulated game Sunday and was added to the World Series roster.

Ceetar Oct 25 2016 02:56 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

d'Kong76 wrote: Current range of Game #3 tickets at Wrigley on StubHub is $1,908 - $13,011. I regret I only entered the Cubs lottery 10 times. (although I didn't get the rejection for WS yet, only the one for the NLCS)

Frayed Knot Oct 25 2016 06:33 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Cubs activate LF/C/DH Kyle Schwarber and he will be the starting DH in tonight's game. Schwarber had just five trips to the plate this season (0/4 plus a walk) before tearing the ACL & LCL in his knee in an outfield collision in the 2nd inning of Game #3 of the season.

Zvon Oct 26 2016 12:04 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

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metirish Oct 26 2016 12:06 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Ugh, SKip Bayless commercials

Mets Guy in Michigan Oct 26 2016 12:19 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

I'm surprised the Indians are going with the Wahoo caps! The team has gone to great steps to use the block C instead of Wahoo.

MFS62 Oct 26 2016 12:29 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Get the f'n ball over the plate. Later

Mets Guy in Michigan Oct 26 2016 12:30 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Wow. Indians get run on a dribbler.

cooby Oct 26 2016 12:31 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

I hope they use the Wahoo caps until the day I die.

Fman99 Oct 26 2016 01:19 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Jon Lester is a crybaby who can't throw to first. Just pitch, ass.

Fman99 Oct 26 2016 01:23 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Heyward and his big dumb contract on the bench tonight.

Frayed Knot Oct 26 2016 01:51 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

metirish wrote: Ugh, SKip Bayless commercials Could be worse, it could be Skip Bayless on the telecast (although I'm betting that Skiperoo has no idea whether a baseball is pumped with air or stuffed with feathers)

metirish Oct 26 2016 01:58 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

It wouldn't surprise me if he is on it at some point .... bit of a lull in the game

Frayed Knot Oct 26 2016 01:58 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

So, according to the commercial from an inning ago, one baby boomer in 30 is infected by 'Hepatitis C' Do you suppose that's mostly a remnant of long-ago drug use or from a more recent infatuation with tattoos?

metirish Oct 26 2016 02:01 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Frayed Knot wrote: So, according to the commercial from an inning ago, one baby boomer in 30 is infected by 'Hepatitis C' Do you suppose that's mostly a remnant of long-ago drug use or from a more recent infatuation with tattoos? great point , weird that this game is brought to us by Hep C

Frayed Knot Oct 26 2016 02:37 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

The Cubs suddenly living the high life off of Miller!

Frayed Knot Oct 26 2016 02:43 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Frayed Knot wrote: The Cubs suddenly living the high life off of Miller! And now, not so much.

Chad Ochoseis Oct 26 2016 02:50 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Indians fans are living the high life. The plaza behind the ballpark smells mainly like cannabis.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 26 2016 03:21 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

I know how cliche it is to complain about baseball announcers but Joe Buck is terrible. He's just so insincere

Frayed Knot Oct 26 2016 03:34 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Yeah, but once you learn to fake sincerity it's all gravy. I dunno, Buck rarely bothers me, but I seem to have a higher tolerance for announcers for network announcers than most fans. There are always a handful that can really get under my skin, but Buck isn't one of them.

Frayed Knot Oct 26 2016 03:36 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

So maybe that 3 pitchers to get 3 outs strategy just to get through the 7th isn't working out so well tonight, eh Maddon?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 26 2016 04:19 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

I think the reason fans hate him is that he's trying way too hard to appear as a knowledgeable guy on one hand but on the other, dumbing it down for a nonexistent "never watches baseball until the postseason" fan and it all plays out in insincerity-- every player is the BEST, every play has massive importance, etc etc. Just call the game ypu fake hipster wannabe silver spoon sucker.

metirish Oct 26 2016 12:31 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Smoltz though I really like. From the little I have see on the pre and post game ARod tries to give analysis , Rose just clowns around. I didn't know much about the Indians, but they are fun to watch, didn't catch the last two innings of this.

cooby Oct 26 2016 12:43 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Hooray for Cleveland!

HahnSolo Oct 26 2016 12:50 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Didn't turn out to affect the outcome, but let's discuss the short fly ball Davis caught with the bases loaded in the 7th. 3-0 game and we are nearing Foxwoods Resorts turning point of the game territory. Nobody out, Zobrist on third. Davis grabs it and immediately goes home to prevent Zobrist from tagging. However, Schwarber was way off second and Davis had about as easy a DP for an outfielder. Maybe he didn't see him or maybe he was just so focused on preventing the run from scoring that he automatically came up throwing home. What's the right play there? You have to take the second out by doubling off Schwarber I think, no matter what Zobrist ends up doing. Worst case there Cleveland should be up 3-1 with 2 outs and a runner on first.

Frayed Knot Oct 26 2016 01:08 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Yeah, you def throw to 2nd there if you see it although you can't really blame Davis in CF for immediately gunning it home. If there's any blame to place it should probably go to Lindor at SS who didn't seem to realize until the very last second that Schwarber was off in never-never-land (2B Kipnis was out for the short fly and so had his back to the play while Lindor stayed in). At the very last second Lindor seems to be throwing his hands up, presumably to signal 'throw it here', but by that point Davis has practically released the ball and couldn't possibly have seen him. Not sure where Napoli was as you figure he'd be the cut-off man on that play hanging out somewhere around the mound which also could have nailed Schwarber on the old 8-3-6 play but he either wasn't there (maybe thinking that the fly was so shallow there was no need) or he also didn't see Schwarber wandering and so let the throw go through.

dinosaur jesus Oct 26 2016 01:13 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Davis and Lindor probably couldn't imagine Schwarber doing something quite that stupid. What would have been fun would have been if they doubled up Schwarber and the runner broke from third. We could have had a triple play.

Centerfield Oct 26 2016 01:25 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

I know it's stupid and corny, but I would have loved to see them let Charlie Sheen come out in character to throw out the first pitch. I know it's just a movie, but it had such a lasting effect on an entire generation of fans. Also would be cool to let Uecker call a few innings in character too.

MFS62 Oct 26 2016 01:42 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Centerfield wrote: Also would be cool to let Uecker call a few innings in character too. Once you've had "Uke", other announcers make you want to puke. Later

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 26 2016 02:49 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

dinosaur jesus wrote: Davis and Lindor probably couldn't imagine Schwarber doing something quite that stupid. What would have been fun would have been if they doubled up Schwarber and the runner broke from third. We could have had a triple play. Yeah that's what I was hoping for. I' always rooting for the Triple Play. Schwarber seemed to interpret the runner from 1st advancing as a mandate for him to go, only once he left the bag he couldn't see him turn back right away. I'm glad to see the Cubs take one in the face in this first game. And I never liked Lester since the first time he beat us as a rookie; he has a little too much Matt Harvey in him for my liking.

Frayed Knot Oct 26 2016 03:51 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Game 2 tonight (for those of you not paying attention last night) has been moved up to a 7:08 (EDT) first pitch for fear of rain later in the evening. Weather.com currently showing 'Isolated Thunderstorms' for the hours of 8 to 9 PM local time And how great would it be if we actually had a WS game that ends before 10PM? G2 starters: Jake Arrieta vs Trevor Bauer And given Bauer's 4-batter/21-pitch outing last time he tried to pitch (Game 3 ALCS v Toronto) we need to celebrate him in true CPF tradition ... with a song parody Bauer be brave, we have you scheduled to pitch tonight’s game We’ve got a game to play so we don’t understand why the blood is running down the length of your hand and you’re hiding it as best as you can Now the bullpen has to go the full nine and when we ask you how it happened you look right into the camera and then you say I’m fixing my drone now and suddenly the propeller is spinning ‘round and ‘round I’m cut by my drone now and the bleeding of my hand is all over the mound

d'Kong76 Oct 26 2016 04:17 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Chi. Cubs at Cleveland When: 7:00 PM ET, Wednesday, October 26, 2016 Where: Progressive Field, Cleveland, Ohio SportsDirect Inc. The Cleveland Indians overpowered Chicago's bats in the opener of the World Series and hope to do so again as they seek a 2-0 series lead when they host the Cubs on Wednesday. Light-hitting catcher Roberto Perez belted two homers while the trio of starter Corey Kluber (nine in six-plus innings), Andrew Miller (three) and Cody Allen (three) combined for 15 strikeouts in Cleveland's 6-0 victory in Game 1. Perez became only the fifth catcher in World Series history to hit two homers in a single game, joining Hall-of-Famers Yogi Berra (1956), Johnny Bench (1976) and Gary Carter (1986), as well as Gene Tenace (1972). "I was controlling my emotions, I think that was a big part of it," Perez told reporters. "It has been an unbelievable night. I can't describe the words right now." Chicago will look to even the series with Jake Arrieta on the mound and also will need some of its other key offensive players to join Ben Zobrist (3-for-4) in swinging the bat well. "I was not disappointed," Cubs manager Joe Maddon said in his postgame press conference. "I know we had 15 punch-outs, I get it, but the quality of the at-bats were not that bad." TV: 7:08 p.m. ET, FOX PITCHING MATCHUP: Cubs RH Jake Arrieta (0-1, 4.91 ERA) vs. Indians RH Trevor Bauer (0-0, 5.06) Arrieta has given up four runs in three of his five career postseason starts, but he believes he's getting more comfortable with the higher-pressure stage. "I think what you really learn with the more experience you get in the postseason is the finer details, controlling the running game, not allowing mental mistakes and not allowing your opponent to capitalize on your mental mistakes," Arrieta said during a press conference. "Because, obviously, at this point in the season, the team that makes the fewest mistakes typically wins the ballgames." Arrieta started one game at Progressive Field as a member of the Baltimore Orioles and picked up the win despite allowing six runs - five earned - and six hits in six innings of a 14-8 victory on Aug. 10, 2010. Bauer badly cut his right pinkie finger while working on his drone on Oct. 14 and had to leave his Game 3 start in the American League Championship Series against Toronto in the first inning three nights later as the finger began bleeding profusely. He said the cut now is healed and he tested the finger by throwing 20 pitches on Monday without incident. "Threw it with max intent, just like in a game, as close to game intensity as I could possibly get to," Bauer said during a press conference. "There's no pain, no blood. I was able to execute all my pitches to a high level, and I'm really encouraged by it." WALK-OFFS: 1. Wednesday's start time was moved up one hour due to the threat of rain. 2. Chicago OF Kyle Schwarber (knee) was activated after being out since early April and went 1-for-3 with a walk and two strikeouts. 3. Cleveland SS Francisco Lindor recorded three hits in Game 1 and is batting .371 in 35 postseason at-bats.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 26 2016 04:31 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

LOL Frayed Knot wrote: I’m fixing my drone now

Centerfield Oct 26 2016 04:32 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Frayed Knot wrote: Bauer be brave, we have you scheduled to pitch tonight’s game We’ve got a game to play so we don’t understand why the blood is running down the length of your hand and you’re hiding it as best as you can Now the bullpen has to go the full nine and when we ask you how it happened you look right into the camera and then you say I’m fixing my drone now and suddenly the propeller is spinning ‘round and ‘round I’m cut by my drone now and the bleeding of my hand is all over the mound Love it! I'm fixing my drone now! Ha! That's right up there with Dock Ellis is High on the Diamond

Ashie62 Oct 26 2016 06:05 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Attributing some of this win to the "Maddux" strikezone given to Kluber. He was buckling their knees anyway. Maddon, who is the crybaby now? GO TRIBE!

Ceetar Oct 26 2016 06:12 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Looks like the strikezone was pretty good.

MFS62 Oct 27 2016 12:41 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Good game, 2-0 Cubs in the third. Later

d'Kong76 Oct 27 2016 01:24 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

This game is not going well at all. And Ceetar, you make my head explode. The strike zone is not measured vertically by some box. Everyone is not the same height, if the umps are going by 'Strikezone Plot' they are not doing their job according to the rules.

Frayed Knot Oct 27 2016 01:37 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

The Injuns have paid so far by having infielder Lonnie Chisenhall out in the OF tonight. He misplayed that one in the corner in the top of the 5th which allowed a run to score and they probably have a play at home when the Cubs scored the first run of the game had Chisenhall hit the cut-off man rather than gunning it directly to 2nd base. Not that those plays are the difference in the game, but they're something. Chisenhall, as per our discussion on another thread, is one of those guys who was drafted as a SS, moved to 3rd after a year or so, and has now been pushed to the OF due to the emergance of other players.

Frayed Knot Oct 27 2016 01:39 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Amazing how many two-out baserunners the Cleveland pitchers have given up tonight. Every time it seems like they're going to have a quick 'n easy inning they start giving up walks and hits after starting 2-outs and bases-empty.

Centerfield Oct 27 2016 01:58 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Frayed Knot wrote: Amazing how many two-out baserunners the Cleveland pitchers have given up tonight. Every time it seems like they're going to have a quick 'n easy inning they start giving up walks and hits after starting 2-outs and bases-empty. And after watching the Mets all season, it's that much more stark. Two-out RBI's happened about once every two weeks for us.

Frayed Knot Oct 27 2016 02:29 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

So much for possibly getting a game in before 10PM. Too many pitches and too many long innings early on. I had forgotten about the 'no partial games' edict in post-season. So even if Chicago were to blow this game open even further, if the rain should come they'd still need to finish it. They'd either have to wait for hours tonight hoping for 'a window' (and we know how well those work sometimes). Or they'd have to come back tomorrow just to play the final inning or two (although the weather doesn't look good then either). Or they'd have to tack it on to the beginning of Game 3 in Chicago on Friday (which would be kind of weird).

Frayed Knot Oct 28 2016 12:34 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Game 3 - 8:08 first pitch Weather: 63 and cloudy expected for game time First World Series game at Wrigley Field since October 10, 1945. Tigers 9 - Cubs 3 http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes ... 0100.shtml HoF'er Hal Newhouse went all the way for Detroit (despite giving up 10 hits) after his Tigers scored 5 in the top of the 1st. And talk about your quick hooks ... Cubs starter Hank Bowory lasted just three hitters in that game (Single - Single - Single) but his relievers obviously didn't do him or Chicago manager Charlier Grimm any favors. And check out this strategy: the first batter for the Tigers after the opening three hits and pitching change is slugger and future HoF Hank Greenberg [no outs - one run in - runners on 1st & 2nd] AND HE SAC BUNTS!! It damn near killed the inning as an IW to load the bases was followed by a pop-out for out #2. But then a 2-out bases-loaded walk and a bases-clearing double broke things open. Big news going into tonight is that DH Kyle Schwarber has not been medically cleared to play the field so he will be reduced to PH appearances while the series is in the NL park. In other DH news, the Indians will put their DH/1B/C Carlos Santana out in LF, a position he's played just once in his entire career - four four innings back in 2012. oe: the youngest person I could find on that 1945 Cubs team was then 24 y/o Andy Pafko. He died just over three years ago at the age of 92 which leads one to strongly suspect that no one who appeared in that game for either team is alive today.

MFS62 Oct 28 2016 12:58 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Frayed Knot wrote: oe: the youngest person I could find on that 1945 Cubs team was then 24 y/o Andy Pafko. He died just over three years ago at the age of 92 which leads one to strongly suspect that no one who appeared in that game for either team is alive today. I remember watching Andy Pafko play outfield for the Brooklyn Dodgers in the early 50's. He was a good hitter. But was one of those players who you like, but wish you had somebody better. Later.

d'Kong76 Oct 28 2016 02:51 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Cleveland at Chi. Cubs When: 8:00 PM ET, Friday, October 28, 2016 Where: Wrigley Field, Chicago, Illinois SportsDirect Inc. The best starting pitcher led his team to victory in each of the first two games of the World Series with each team laying claim to the better ace once. The Chicago Cubs try to gain control of the series when they host the Cleveland Indians on Friday in the first World Series game at Wrigley Field since 1945. Corey Kluber set a World Series record with eight strikeouts in the first three innings en route to a 6-0 Indians win in Tuesday's opener and Jake Arrieta took a no-hitter into the sixth Wednesday as the Cubs knotted the series at one win apiece with a 5-1 triumph. The most impressive offensive player in the first two games of the series won't even have a spot in the starting lineup for the next three contests as Chicago will leave Kyle Schwarber on the bench with a pinch-hitting role in the National League park. Schwarber, who sat out all but two games of the regular season after tearing ligaments in his knee in April, was added to the World Series roster and went 3-for-7 with a pair of RBIs and a run scored while serving as designated hitter in the Amercian League park."There's no being sad about it," Schwarber told reporters after it was announced Thursday that he was not medically cleared by doctors to play the field. "There's no nothing. I know my role, now, and I'm going to embrace it." TV: 8:08 p.m. ET, FOX PITCHING MATCHUP: Indians RH Josh Tomlin (2-0, 2.53 ERA) vs. Cubs RH Kyle Hendricks (1-1, 1.65) Tomlin delivered exactly what was asked of him in each of his first two postseason starts, allowing a total of three runs in 10 2/3 innings before handing things off to the team's dominant bullpen. The 32-year-old Texan served up 36 home runs in 174 innings during the regular season but has yet to yield a home run in the playoffs. Tomlin, who has never faced Chicago, was 2-1 with a 5.40 ERA in three interleague starts this season. Hendricks outdueled Clayton Kershaw in the clinching game of the NLCS, scattering two hits and no walks over 7 1/3 scoreless innings while striking out six. Hendricks, the major-league ERA leader at 2.13, surrendered one run over 12 2/3 innings in two NLCS starts and went 9-2 with a 1.32 ERA at home during the regular season. The Dartmouth product, who is seeing Cleveland for the first time, was 2-1 with a 1.89 ERA in three interleague starts this season. WALK-OFFS: 1. Indians RHP Danny Salazar (forearm) made his postseason debut in Game 2 and walked a pair in a scoreless inning. 2. Chicago LF Ben Zobrist is 5-for-8 with an RBI triple in the series. 3. Cleveland DH Carlos Santana, who is 0-for-6 with four strikeouts in the series, could see time in the outfield in Chicago.

Chad Ochoseis Oct 29 2016 12:07 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

d'Kong76 wrote: Cleveland DH Carlos Santana, who is 0-for-6 with four strikeouts in the series, could see time in the outfield in Chicago. And this is happening. He's never played outfield before, but his bat is too good to sit (34 regular season homers, regular season OBP up in the .370s, 2 HRs in the Jays series), so he's muddling through left field while Coco Crisp is benched. The Indians' regular lineup is very DH-dependent. OE - I stand corrected; he played four innings of LF in 2012.

Chad Ochoseis Oct 29 2016 01:17 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Indians are looking positively Metly with RISP tonight.

Zvon Oct 29 2016 01:19 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Chad Ochoseis wrote: OE - I stand corrected; he played four innings of LF in 2012. Ha. Good catch. You know more than Fox. I guess that isn't difficult. 0-0 Cubs in the 4th. Chicago only has one hit from Zobrist. Indians have 5 hits, but I see some nice movement on Hendricks pitches. [fimg=600]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cv5X8YXXEAABqKw.jpg[/fimg]

HahnSolo Oct 29 2016 01:22 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Hirschbeck is lost behind the plate

Chad Ochoseis Oct 29 2016 01:29 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Zvon wrote: Ha. Good catch. You know more than Fox. I guess that isn't difficult. The internet...it's not just an opportunity to come up with outrageously bad answers to music trivia questions.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 29 2016 01:40 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

I dont see Marlins Man.

Zvon Oct 29 2016 01:49 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Chad Ochoseis wrote: Zvon wrote: Ha. Good catch. You know more than Fox. I guess that isn't difficult. The internet...it's not just an opportunity to come up with outrageously bad answers to music trivia questions. lol. uh-oh, Kipnis takes one for the team, the bases are full of Indians, and that's all for Hendricks. Hmm. A hook in the 5th. 0-0 Cubs.

Zvon Oct 29 2016 01:52 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Is that Smoltz in the booth with Mr. Morbid? He reminds me of the way Jim Palmer analyzed. Unremarkably good. The internet says that unremarkably is not a word. Awwww.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 29 2016 01:53 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

championship level twin-killing there

Zvon Oct 29 2016 01:56 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: championship level twin-killing there Twas. Buster O says Lindor hit into 18 DPs this season. *tips cap to Maddon*

Zvon Oct 29 2016 01:59 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Jason Stark tweets: [tweet:136nlk77]https://twitter.com/jaysonst/status/792183370839130112[/tweet:136nlk77] This can't be true, right?

HahnSolo Oct 29 2016 02:05 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Tomlin pitched well in a tough atmosphere. Miller on bottom 5 and he gets the final out.

Frayed Knot Oct 29 2016 02:14 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Zvon wrote: Jason Stark tweets: [tweet]https://twitter.com/jaysonst/status/792183370839130112[/tweet] This can't be true, right? He's not an everyday player. Mostly right now he's taking the ABs that would normally go to Heyward.

Zvon Oct 29 2016 02:24 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Frayed Knot wrote: Jason Stark tweets: [tweet]https://twitter.com/jaysonst/status/792183370839130112[/tweet] This can't be true, right? He's not an everyday player. Mostly right now he's taking the ABs that would normally go to Heyward. Oh, I thought he was in there everyday. I've read good things about this kid but I have no idea what or how he was doing. Heyward was blocking him? Oy.

Frayed Knot Oct 29 2016 02:27 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Well, considering that they just signed Heyward to a 95 year contract last winter (well, eight years anyway) it's not like blocking Soler, or at worst playing alongside him, wasn't part of the plan. Heyward's just been so awful in this first year that it's 'Plan B' time.

Chad Ochoseis Oct 29 2016 02:28 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Bunting. Bunting ahead of your worst hitting position player and your pitcher. FIRE TERRY!!!!

Zvon Oct 29 2016 02:29 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Frayed Knot wrote: Well, considering that they just signed Heyward to a 95 year contract last winter (well, eight years anyway) it's not like blocking Soler, or at worst playing alongside him, wasn't part of the plan. Heyward's just been so awful in this first year that it's 'Plan B' time. hah,95. Still 0-0 Cubs but Indians threatening. Runner @2nd, 1 out. Rajai Davis.....

Zvon Oct 29 2016 02:32 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Chad Ochoseis wrote: Bunting. Bunting ahead of your worst hitting position player and your pitcher. FIRE TERRY!!!! Ha! That was a freaking good bunt tho. Getting his bat on that ball was tricky. WP! Runner goes to 3rd. And Rajai walks.

Zvon Oct 29 2016 02:32 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

I don't think there's enough to reverse that.

Frayed Knot Oct 29 2016 02:33 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Chad Ochoseis wrote: Bunting. Bunting ahead of your worst hitting position player and your pitcher. FIRE TERRY!!!! It also means Terry got no benefit out of double-switching when he brought in Miller. Now I guess he could argue that he wanted to sub for Santana defensively anyway ...

Chad Ochoseis Oct 29 2016 02:34 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Coco Crisp, fortified with 9 essential vitamins and one big RBI.

Zvon Oct 29 2016 02:35 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn.

Frayed Knot Oct 29 2016 02:35 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

And a crisply delivered single (see what I did there?) breaks the scoreless tie ... but the Injuns get another runner thrown out on the base paths ... and they almost had another just before that.

Frayed Knot Oct 29 2016 02:40 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Zvon wrote: I don't think there's enough to reverse that. I don't reverse this one either (Kipnis at 1st) if left up to me. ... and they don't!!!

Zvon Oct 29 2016 02:40 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

And that slide by Davis was extra special. [fimg=500:32o4aupt]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cv5vwqaWgAAMBU9.jpg:large[/fimg:32o4aupt]

Zvon Oct 29 2016 02:45 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

lol, Murray was great.

Chad Ochoseis Oct 29 2016 02:45 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

The Indians are quickly running out of bench. If this goes into extras, they're screwed.

Zvon Oct 29 2016 02:50 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

This is an excellent game so far. 1-0 Indians with the wind blowing out at Wrigley. AND BLOWING OVER! Soler with a TRIBOOM! & he wasn't running hard to 1st. Fuck.

HahnSolo Oct 29 2016 02:52 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Chisenhall is like bad in right field

Chad Ochoseis Oct 29 2016 02:53 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

That's a tough right field to play. But, no, Chisenhall isn't an asset out there.

Zvon Oct 29 2016 02:54 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

And he's stranded. That might be it.

86-Dreamer Oct 29 2016 02:58 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

With two outs - why pinch run Heyward there? seems like an unecessary waste of a bench option and a lessor hitter substituted for a good one

Frayed Knot Oct 29 2016 02:59 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Cubs have lost four games in this year's post-season ... and they've been shutout in all four of them. SFG = 1, LAD = 2x, CLE = 1

Frayed Knot Oct 29 2016 03:00 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

86-Dreamer wrote: With two outs - why pinch run Heyward there? seems like an unecessary waste of a bench option and a lessor hitter substituted for a good one Because they were going to bring him in for defense anyway.

86-Dreamer Oct 29 2016 03:02 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Butvthey are losing

HahnSolo Oct 29 2016 03:07 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 29 2016 03:11 AM

I'll say it again Hirschbeck is killing me. The 2-1 t Russell was right down the pipe

Frayed Knot Oct 29 2016 03:07 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Butvthey are losing You're free to disagree with the move, I'm just saying what Maddon's reasoning is on the deal. Plus, now that Miller is gone, if Heyward does have to bat it won't be against the nasty lefty thus negating at least some of the diminished offense part of the equation.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 29 2016 03:08 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Here comes Joe Buck's boyfriend

Zvon Oct 29 2016 03:08 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Schwarber going kaboom would be storybook shit.

Zvon Oct 29 2016 03:10 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Well, at least he hit it over the pitcher.

Chad Ochoseis Oct 29 2016 03:12 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

A double switch? The Indians are out of position players, I think.

Frayed Knot Oct 29 2016 03:14 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

The almost automatic use of the double-switch seems to be a thing with AL managers. But unless you're going to want to get more than an inning out of the reliever you're bringing in, it's really a senseless move.

Chad Ochoseis Oct 29 2016 03:18 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Yeah, I've lost track, but I think the pitcher's spot is fifth or sixth up in the 9th inning. And I'm almost certain that Terry F. just burned through his last position player.

Frayed Knot Oct 29 2016 03:20 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

The last World Series game the Cubs won came via a walk-off (12th inning, Game 6, 1945 WS) ... just sayin' Of course the fact that everyone on both teams from that game are dead at the current time (and you could look it up) probably means that it has little or no meaning for tonight's contest.

Zvon Oct 29 2016 03:21 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Daaaaamn. Bryant goes down. 1-0 Cleveland, the 9th. It doesn't look like there's going to be any WS celebration at Wrigley this year. Cubs in 7! (reverse jinx^)

Frayed Knot Oct 29 2016 03:26 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Chad Ochoseis wrote: Yeah, I've lost track, but I think the pitcher's spot is fifth or sixth up in the 9th inning. And I'm almost certain that Terry F. just burned through his last position player. I had no idea Yan Gomes had been reactivated, but here he is making his first post-season appearance. Kind of like Schwarber, he's had all of 2 ABs since mid-July.

Zvon Oct 29 2016 03:32 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

A leadoff single for Rizzo in the 9th.

Zvon Oct 29 2016 03:34 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

A perfect pitch, a tight curve, Ks Zobrist. But they stay out of the DP and its a Cub in scoring position, Heyward, 2 out. wow.

86-Dreamer Oct 29 2016 03:36 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

This is what I was afraid of with the pinch runner.

Zvon Oct 29 2016 03:37 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

E-3! 1st & 3rd.

Chad Ochoseis Oct 29 2016 03:40 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Did they call that an E on Napoli? It was a tough hop.

Chad Ochoseis Oct 29 2016 03:41 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Well, yay (for those of us who are rooting for the Tribe).

Fman99 Oct 29 2016 03:42 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Good game, there, and for once, since it's the weekend, I was able to get a nap in and stay up to see the finish.

Zvon Oct 29 2016 03:42 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Wow. That was a great game. Cleveland holds on.

Zvon Oct 29 2016 03:49 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Is it too late to start a petition to have one of these next two be a day game @Wrigley? And we got a Saturday and a Sunday! Oh MLB, whatthefuckryadointomygame?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 29 2016 03:50 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Yeah that was a real ballsy win for the Spiders. Im just thinking back to the energy in Citifield when I was there for the 1st Met-Dodgers playoff game and it felt like the visitors had no chance. But to stick a 1-0 lead for the visitors, wow.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 29 2016 03:55 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

I also think it's great that Coco Crisp was a hero.

Frayed Knot Oct 29 2016 11:44 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Zvon wrote: Is it too late to start a petition to have one of these next two be a day game @Wrigley? Several decades too late.

Frayed Knot Oct 29 2016 11:59 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

86-Dreamer wrote: This is what I was afraid of with the pinch runner. Funny how it came down to that spot in the order, huh? Although it's not like Soler and his .238 season BA (.224 vs RHP) is a clear better bet in that situation than is Heyward and his .230 (.238 vs RHP). Soler is the better power threat but they just need a single in that spot so at worst it's probably a wash. Also, as mentioned earlier in this thread somewhere, Soler has only a handful of ABs (about 20) since mid-September himself. Might Maddon have yanked Soler for not busting it out of the box on that fly ball/triple?? Supposedly his only team rules are that you play defense and run hard. I don't think he circles the bases on that hit anyway but yaneverknow once the ball gets into those funky corners at Wrigley. In the end I think it was just a speed and defense move and things did wind up as Heyward on 2nd base as the winning run.

d'Kong76 Oct 29 2016 12:30 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Cleveland at Chi. Cubs When: 8:00 PM ET, Saturday, October 29, 2016 Where: Wrigley Field, Chicago, Illinois SportsDirect Inc. Corey Kluber has been superb this postseason, and another solid effort could put the Cleveland Indians in the driver's seat as they seek their first World Series title since 1948. Kluber is 3-1 with a 0.74 ERA in four starts this October and will look to help the Indians take a 3-1 series lead when they visit the Chicago Cubs on Saturday. Kluber dominated the Cubs in Game 1 by striking out nine and allowing four hits over six-plus innings while picking up the victory. Cleveland's pitching has been superb throughout the postseason, and Friday's 1-0 victory - courtesy of Coco Crisp's run-scoring single - was its fifth via shutout in 11 playoff games. Chicago has been blanked four times this postseason, recording only five hits in the Game 3 loss, and the three hitters atop the order - Dexter Fowler (.154), Kris Bryant (.091) and Anthony Rizzo (.182) - have struggled. "You don't anticipate or expect that, but this time of the year, you see good pitching. That's what it is," Cubs manager Joe Maddon told reporters after his team was blanked for the second time in the series. "When you get to the latter part of the season, you have to beat the best to be the best." TV: 8:08 p.m. ET, FOX PITCHING MATCHUP: Indians RH Corey Kluber (3-1, 0.74 ERA) vs. Cubs RH John Lackey (0-0, 5.63) Kluber has struck out 29 batters in 24 1/3 postseason innings and says part of the reason for his success has been his ability to keep things low-key. "I think that it's just as fun and exciting as we all imagined it would be," Kluber said at a press conference. "I think that you try to take the work in between as normal as you can. Obviously, there are off-days and stuff like that built in, but you still try to just get your work in, get ready, and when you go out there, it's fun." Kluber is starting on short rest but threw only 88 pitches in Tuesday's effort. Lackey has made only two previous starts this postseason - his most recent one on Oct. 19 - and lasted just four innings in each. The 38-year-old will be making his fifth career World Series start and allows that going so long between outings isn't the best for his routine. "It's kind of been a crazy schedule for me, for sure," Lackey said at a press conference. "I feel like I'm pitching every two weeks kind of deal. But I've thrown a little more on the side, off the mound, trying to stay sharp." WALK-OFFS: 1. Indians LHP Andrew Miller struck out three in 1 1/3 innings on Friday and has fanned 27 batters in 15 scoreless innings this postseason. 2. Chicago 2B Javier Baez is 2-for-13 with five strikeouts in the series after batting .342 with a homer and seven RBIs during two National League playoff series. 3. Cleveland SS Jose Lindor and 3B Jose Ramirez are each 5-for-11 in the World Series.

MFS62 Oct 29 2016 12:55 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Lackey has spent most of his career in the American League, so the Indians should be somewhat familiar with him. But many of their regulars are too young to have faced him many times. Mike Napoli might be the most familiar with him, since he may have caught him when they were in Boston. Kluber is probably an unknown to many of the Cubs hitters. This could be another low scoring game. Later

Frayed Knot Oct 29 2016 01:15 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

MFS62 wrote: Kluber is probably an unknown to many of the Cubs hitters. On account of them not having faced him since ... Tuesday.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 29 2016 03:10 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

I also think it's great that Coco Crisp was a hero. Same. Although someone else may just be my hero of the game. Let's just say I've always enjoyed Mr. Hamm's work. (Fun sidenote: he and a friend ate at the chef's table in our kitchen the other day, and wore the same hat.)

MFS62 Oct 29 2016 04:38 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Frayed Knot wrote: MFS62 wrote: Kluber is probably an unknown to many of the Cubs hitters. On account of them not having faced him since ... Tuesday. Yabbutttt, its the second time that tells the story. They didn't know him very well the first time, did they? But still, by comparison, Lackey has about 15 lifetime decisions against Cleveland. Not sure how many are recent. though. Later

metirish Oct 30 2016 12:15 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Lackey looks pumped , I mean he always does though.

Zvon Oct 30 2016 12:25 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Cubs on the board in the first! 1-0 A Fowler double and a bloop single from Rizzo.

metirish Oct 30 2016 12:35 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Santana with a big HR , 1-1 , just as Buck said the crowd is pumped

Chad Ochoseis Oct 30 2016 12:47 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Corey Kluber, American hero* *OK, Northeast Ohioan hero.

metirish Oct 30 2016 12:47 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Some dodgy defense from Bryant over at 3rd, second error in the inning

metirish Oct 30 2016 01:21 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Rizzo hit , an exaggerated "Th-at hurrt" from Smoltz ....I miss McCarver

HahnSolo Oct 30 2016 01:22 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Home plate ump killing me again. Ball 4 to Bryant was right down plate. Ump has been wildly inconsistent all night.

metirish Oct 30 2016 01:26 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Is Zobrist's missus dressed up for Halloween?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 30 2016 01:28 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

yeah shes a creep and her husband can can suck bhmc

metirish Oct 30 2016 01:37 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Seriously though , is she? cos I think she might be

Frayed Knot Oct 30 2016 01:52 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

metirish wrote: Lackey looks pumped , I mean he always does though. Lackey always looks annoyed to me.

metirish Oct 30 2016 01:57 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Webby is the FOX?Mets director Bill Webb?

Frayed Knot Oct 30 2016 01:58 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

metirish wrote: Webby is the FOX?Mets director Bill Webb? Yes, he's long been a director for network sports as well as SNY.

Zvon Oct 30 2016 02:10 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

metirish wrote: Rizzo hit , an exaggerated "Th-at hurrt" from Smoltz ....I miss McCarver I like Smoltz. He's really blah but next to Buck he sounds rather animated. Indians have looked like the better team last few. The Cubs are pressing. The errors by Bryant are concerning. He's so friggin tall. Maybe he & Rizzo should switch positions. 4-1 Indians. Top of the 6th. Cubs in trouble again with 2 on. Pitching change.

metirish Oct 30 2016 02:22 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

ARod talks really slow like he doesn't want to trip over himself

Zvon Oct 30 2016 02:24 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

metirish wrote: ARod talks really slow like he doesn't want to trip over himself Can you believe they pull this split screen bullshit during these crucial at-bats?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 30 2016 02:26 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Now they're threatening... and now they're not. Kluber's been so very good at pissing on these embers before they become fires, in both games.

d'Kong76 Oct 30 2016 02:31 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Who's singing 'take me out to the ballgame' tonight?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 30 2016 02:36 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Whoever they are, they're going to be pretty fuggin' depressed.

metirish Oct 30 2016 02:36 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

I think Vedder

metirish Oct 30 2016 02:39 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

If it is Vedder he might sng Jeremy instead

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 30 2016 02:39 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

THAT oughta shut these people up.

metirish Oct 30 2016 02:43 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 30 2016 02:47 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Was that old b-roll that Fox played with, or were there that many people LEAVING the game just before the cameras went to commercial?

Zvon Oct 30 2016 02:52 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

lol:) [tweet:2xzty5ai]https://twitter.com/Crawford_MILB/status/792558151950225409[/tweet:2xzty5ai] Yea, this is not going well for the ol Nat' League. Cubs in 7!

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 30 2016 02:53 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

To be fair, we've got a similar level of drop-off between, say, Seinfeld and Kevin James.

Zvon Oct 30 2016 02:58 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: To be fair, we've got a similar level of drop-off between, say, Seinfeld and Kevin James. I think the ratio is exact.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 30 2016 03:03 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Miller gets tagged. But since Miller don't walk nobody, it ain't no thing.

Zvon Oct 30 2016 03:04 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Well that's something. Fowler goes kaBOOM . 7-2, bottom of the 8th.

Zvon Oct 30 2016 03:05 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

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John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 30 2016 03:07 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Weird, man. Fowler is like the best player the Cubs have suddenly. one of his earlier ABs he really crushed it, but wind held it in.

Frayed Knot Oct 30 2016 03:17 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

I rarely surprised by the outcome of series - but I am totally shocked by how inept the Cubs look while they're in the process of losing.

Frayed Knot Oct 30 2016 03:18 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Zvon wrote: [tweet]https://twitter.com/Crawford_MILB/status/792558151950225409[/tweet] That's pretty good.

Frayed Knot Oct 30 2016 03:26 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

How cool is it that former SC Justice John Paul Stevens has not only been to previous Chicago Cubs WS games but it wasn't even the most recent ones? The 96 y/o retired justice attended games in both the 1929 & 1932 World Series.

metirish Oct 30 2016 03:26 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

wow, Indians are one win away ....

metirish Oct 30 2016 03:28 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Love Kipnis reaction when told that the last visiting player to hit a three run HR at Wrigley was Babe Ruth

Zvon Oct 30 2016 03:29 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

I feel kinda bummed so I can't imagine what a Cubs fan is feeling. Well, I want this to go seven regardless. Then no more baseball :(

Zvon Oct 30 2016 03:30 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

metirish wrote: wow, Indians are one win away .... Do the Cleveland fans at their stadium get to run out on the field and jump around if the Indians win it in Chicago? That be pretty kool.

Zvon Oct 30 2016 03:40 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Ken Rosenthal is growing on me. I didn't like him for the longest time. He'll always be just 4 ft tall, but he's growing on me.

themetfairy Oct 30 2016 03:43 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Frayed Knot wrote: How cool is it that former SC Justice John Paul Stevens has not only been to previous Chicago Cubs WS games but it wasn't even the most recent ones? The 96 y/o retired justice attended games in both the 1929 & 1932 World Series. That is VERY cool!

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 30 2016 03:54 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Frayed Knot wrote: I rarely surprised by the outcome of series - but I am totally shocked by how inept the Cubs look while they're in the process of losing. Reminds me of last year's deserving NL rep suddenly playing like crap

Frayed Knot Oct 30 2016 11:33 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: I'm rarely surprised by the outcome of series - but I am totally shocked by how inept the Cubs look while they're in the process of losing. Reminds me of last year's deserving NL rep suddenly playing like crap Somewhat, but this is even worse. Looking like crap during a short series is one thing, but it's multiplied when you're the 103 game winner who held essentially a wire to wire lead on not just the division but on the sport's best record and had by far the biggest run differential in either league (+252) - and now that team is on the brink after being held to 2 runs or less for the sixth time in 14 games (including 4 shoutouts) and scoring all of seven runs over four WS games. In the process they're getting out-pitched, out-HR'd, out-run, and out-fielded.

d'Kong76 Oct 30 2016 02:15 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Cleveland at Chi. Cubs When: 8:00 PM ET, Sunday, October 30, 2016 Where: Wrigley Field, Chicago, Illinois SportsDirect Inc. Hosting its first World Series in 71 years, Wrigley Field has become a playground for — of all teams — the Cleveland Indians, who can clinch their first World Series title since 1948 when they visit the reeling Chicago Cubs in Game 5 of the Fall Classic on Sunday. After taking Game 2 in Cleveland to tie the series, the Cubs have fallen flat in two contests at the cozy confines, turning a fanbase's long wait for October glory into a potentially devastating outcome. Corey Kluber was solid through six innings and Chicago native Jason Kipnis had a three-run homer among three hits in Saturday's 7-2 triumph for the Indians, who saw manager Terry Francona improve to 11-1 all-time in the World Series and pull within one victory of his third career crown. "I'm starting to (imagine what it would be like to win at Wrigley Field)," Kipnis told FOX. "I'm starting to. I've got a lot of friends and family here. To be able to do it in Chicago, it would mean a lot." At the very least, the Cubs have the decided advantage on the mound in Game 5, as postseason standout Jon Lester opposes Indians right-hander Trevor Bauer, who has struggled since cutting a finger while repairing a drone prior to the American League Championship Series. Cleveland slugger Mike Napoli will return to the staring lineup after sitting out the start of Game 4 while Chicago may need to shuffle a lineup that is hitting .204 in the series and has seen MVP candidate Kris Bryant go 1-for-14. TV: 8:15 p.m. ET, FOX PITCHING MATCHUP: Indians RH Trevor Bauer (0-1, 5.00 ERA) vs. Cubs LH Jon Lester (2-1, 1.69) Bauer lasted just 3 2/3 innings while allowing two runs and six hits in a Game 2 loss Wednesday, giving up RBI singles to Anthony Rizzo and Kyle Schwarber. The 25-year-old Bauer has never started a game in the majors on three days of rest but he tossed seven scoreless innings in his only career outing at Wrigley Field in 2015. The bullpen will be well-rested behind him and Francona has long-relief options in Danny Salazar or Ryan Merritt if Bauer has another early exit. Lester gave up three runs in 5 2/3 innings in the Game 1 loss but he still owns a 2.60 ERA in 124 2/3 innings in his postseason career. "I don't think you can really take it any different than any other start, whether you're tied or whether you're down or up," Lester told reporters. "I think if you're down 3-1 and you're going in there saying you have to do this, you have to do that to try to stay alive, I think you've kind of already been beaten, you know? You're not worried about the right thing." Napoli was 0-for-2 with a walk against Lester in Game 1 but is 6-for-17 with two homers and three free passes in his career against the southpaw, including the postseason. WALK-OFFS: 1. Indians LHP Andrew Miller allowed a solo homer to Cubs CF Dexter Fowler on Saturday, the only run he has allowed in 17 innings this postseason. 2. Rizzo is 4-for-10 with two doubles and two RBIs in the last three games. 3. Cleveland SS Francisco Lindor has recorded multiple hits in three of four games in the series.

Frayed Knot Oct 31 2016 01:23 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Maddon bunts more often than I prefer my manager to do. I mean, 1st & 3rd / no-outs with Addison Russell up (even a cold Russell)?!?!?? And now a 2-strike infield hits gives the Cubs the lead.

Mets Guy in Michigan Oct 31 2016 02:05 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Where is the guy in the orange Marlins jersey? Don't see him.

metirish Oct 31 2016 02:17 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Hell of a throw , several feet away from the plate though right?

Frayed Knot Oct 31 2016 02:25 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Does any ML battery look more alike than do Lester & Ross for the Cubs?

Frayed Knot Oct 31 2016 02:34 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Odd that Maddon PH'd for Ross (w/2 outs and no one on) in anticipation of removing Lester although Lester's spot never came up and it's obvious that he planned to remove Lester all along even though he'd been pitching well and his pitch count was fairly low. oe: and now he goes to Chapman with one out in the 7th!!!

Frayed Knot Oct 31 2016 03:02 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Cubs have still scored in just six of the 43 innings they've batted in so far in this WS, and in only three of the 25 at Wrigley. Indians = 10 scoring innings out of 42 (didn't bat in bottom 9 Game 1)

Zvon Oct 31 2016 03:18 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Odd that Maddon PH'd for Ross (w/2 outs and no one on) in anticipation of removing Lester although Lester's spot never came up and it's obvious that he planned to remove Lester all along even though he'd been pitching well and his pitch count was fairly low. oe: and now he goes to Chapman with one out in the 7th!!! I was surprised. I think Lester had plenty left in the tank. Maddon is so smooth with the press post game. I'm gonna have to watch that and see how he fields the question. I imagine with him the response would be the same whether the Cubs win or lose. Of course, they better win. Or no more baseball. [fimg=200]https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/JrH_xbRygrOiKn494VfGVBFNTDjzz6w7-kKxzBU6EsniKaHv74yeUFia_-RJXe1Yva8gs_OXx6Dw-8m3U3BtbHFJjstXz3GTBA9eeziUOeGA__dJG4FnAJWAIFA4Ukj7oo686tvI42F0vWByPQkyk3C9yyb2s8_lV0pkrFjRCGkErUhaeDpqeQ3auS7yrqW_Osy_1nrdH8cdaTGSLNUe2iRcPW2pno35EnVvWZFd8jQFyHnl5LaTYjCcQglPd5iPrmgDc6j6Zwt_IO-XQ9lMWoojuEgQ3nr7rNaKb8zMmOnkCNXhVjTFl7ViHZSeCryOysdXVyUUqYkonONdsxO0HdFdVobT-MsOeIRaJ_gyGVsh0gGFlRNAkntwLJQC-2_q4XBiWYEjgAaSC1bdNqhGUOBX8Oq8W71KTtWSZEr1_BfaMhOXC6SB4ugxAWYGc3lJZYQJt9isRFXiZatFA4OwcaidCOJer6ehf3ch50-PlxHMHMzzLltm661w4bVjD6ep0m7bhdZAolmQGVQp2BYIHQBcxr_PSL-6OIf49HVNQSSF19qkRuSTDm33-71QbdjqnEmNGMW6gtvBnudKPhXkY567YMQZNBB5ujp1rfW0TBN1UA3yJw=w300-h350-no[/fimg] I'm not ready for that. Good game.

Zvon Oct 31 2016 03:30 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Cubs looking for insurance in the 8th. Heyward on 2nd, 1 out. Baez up, who really has looked most undisciplined at the plate.

Zvon Oct 31 2016 03:33 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Sheeeesh. After seeing that bunt earlier I would have had him bunt again. The kid can't lay off ANYTHING!

Zvon Oct 31 2016 03:47 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

More baseball! Yay! And a Cubs WS win @Wrigley. I don't think winning or losing matters to those Cubs fans. They just want to PARTY!

Frayed Knot Oct 31 2016 03:47 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

And the season isn't done yet. First win in the WS for the Cubs in Wrigley since 12 Presidents ago!

themetfairy Oct 31 2016 12:40 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Zvon wrote: More baseball! Yay! And a Cubs WS win @Wrigley. I don't think winning or losing matters to those Cubs fans. They just want to PARTY! Oh, I think it matters to them a lot!

Centerfield Oct 31 2016 01:08 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

I know this is not anywhere near fair to Amed Rosario, but I watch Lindor and I can't help but think that this might be Rosario one day. If Dom Smith really is a 3 hole hitter, and Conforto can find himself, then you know....

cooby Oct 31 2016 04:01 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Really wish I could watch Indians win tonight. But I'm wearing one of my shirts. Last night was boring with all the strikeouts

seawolf17 Oct 31 2016 04:17 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

cooby wrote: Really wish I could watch Indians win tonight. But I'm wearing one of my shirts. Last night was boring with all the strikeouts Do you usually not wear shirts while watching the game? We've learned a lot about Cooby this season.

Centerfield Oct 31 2016 05:07 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

I think John Smoltz is pretty smart. Much smarter than Cal anyway.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 31 2016 05:25 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Well, yeah, but that's not saying much. Cal's tie knot is smarter than Cal.

TransMonk Oct 31 2016 05:31 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

I've watched about 15 total minutes of this series. I honestly cannot take Joe Buck anymore...he gets worse every year. I will find a pirated international feed when the Mets make it back to the WS. Smoltz is fine, but it is all consumed by how horrible Buck is.

cooby Oct 31 2016 05:54 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

seawolf17 wrote: cooby wrote: Really wish I could watch Indians win tonight. But I'm wearing one of my shirts. Last night was boring with all the strikeouts Do you usually not wear shirts while watching the game? We've learned a lot about Cooby this season. Hey it was hot out

Ceetar Oct 31 2016 06:01 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

TransMonk wrote: I've watched about 15 total minutes of this series. I honestly cannot take Joe Buck anymore...he gets worse every year. I will find a pirated international feed when the Mets make it back to the WS. Smoltz is fine, but it is all consumed by how horrible Buck is. no, you'll mute it and put on the radio.

Centerfield Oct 31 2016 06:03 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

TransMonk wrote: I've watched about 15 total minutes of this series. I honestly cannot take Joe Buck anymore...he gets worse every year. I will find a pirated international feed when the Mets make it back to the WS. Smoltz is fine, but it is all consumed by how horrible Buck is. Would anyone have objected to giving Vin one more World Series? I mean, it's no brainers like this that make me question society. I have this vision of me and my grandson in 2056. "Wait, so Grandpa, in 2016 you guys had Vin Scully alive and well, and you gave the World Series to Joe Buck?"

themetfairy Oct 31 2016 06:06 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Ceetar wrote: TransMonk wrote: I've watched about 15 total minutes of this series. I honestly cannot take Joe Buck anymore...he gets worse every year. I will find a pirated international feed when the Mets make it back to the WS. Smoltz is fine, but it is all consumed by how horrible Buck is. no, you'll mute it and put on the radio. Or watch it in Spanish. I'm telling you guys, it's WAY more fun en espanol!

Benjamin Grimm Oct 31 2016 06:07 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

I think I read that Joe Buck offered to step aside for Vin Scully, but Scully declined. I'll have to see if I can find a link. ON EDIT: http://www.americansportscastersonline. ... eries.html

Centerfield Oct 31 2016 06:24 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

That's actually pretty cool. And I'm glad Joe Buck is cool about it. Some assholes would find it as a slight. (Al Trautwig) I guess it doesn't surprise me at all that Scully would decline. It is exactly what you would expect of him, and part of the reason we love him. But for what it's worth, I would not want Vin to join anyone in the booth. I'd want the broadcast handed over to him to fly solo. Or we could pair him with Joe Garagiola again. And sure, Joe passed away earlier this year, but I think it would not have a significant effect on the broadcast.

Chad Ochoseis Oct 31 2016 06:36 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Don't know if this got beyond the Cleveland media and went national... [url]http://fox8.com/2016/10/28/indians-fans-create-wedding-registry-for-joe-buck-and-cubs-kyle-schwarber/

dinosaur jesus Oct 31 2016 06:46 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Joe Buck isn't a patch on his father. But I couldn't stand Jack either. He had an authoritative, almost bullying, tone, like a high school principal explaining why you deserved that detention. Kalas was another one like that. I guess it was a style left over from radio; you hear something like it in the old newsreels on TCM. Joe just sounds like a know-it-all who doesn't know shit.

cooby Oct 31 2016 08:16 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Hey they aren't playing tonight. I didn't have to wear this shirt.

Ceetar Oct 31 2016 09:09 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I think I read that Joe Buck offered to step aside for Vin Scully, but Scully declined. I'll have to see if I can find a link. ON EDIT: http://www.americansportscastersonline. ... eries.html Doesn't mean Fox would've let him. Hell, the power went out and Fox wouldn't even let Matt Vasgersian and Smoltz lead the show last year during the WS.

d'Kong76 Nov 01 2016 03:00 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Chi. Cubs at Cleveland When: 8:00 PM ET, Tuesday, November 1, 2016 Where: Progressive Field, Cleveland, Ohio SportsDirect Inc. The World Series could be decided by the team that gets a lead early and turns things over to the bullpen. The Chicago Cubs finally became that team with the early lead and the dominant reliever in Game 5 and play another elimination game when they visit the Cleveland Indians for Game 6 on Tuesday. The Cubs, who trail 3-2 in the series, asked Aroldis Chapman to record eight outs in a one-run game Sunday and were rewarded when he allowed one hit and struck out four. "That was our best opportunity," Cubs manager Joe Maddon told reporters of the decision to have Chapman work overtime. "I thought right now, based on the bullpen usage recently, he's actually kind of fresh. He hasn't been overused in the last part of this season nor throughout the playoffs." The Indians, who used left-hander Andrew Miller for multiple innings since the start of the postseason, are keeping things loose while following the lead of manager Terry Francona. "We have the good plane again, so we can fly around for a while," Francona told reporters of the trip back to Cleveland. "I don't care. Then we'll show up whatever day is the next day, and see if we can beat them." TV: 8 p.m. ET, FOX PITCHING MATCHUP: Cubs RH Jake Arrieta (1-1, 3.78 ERA) vs. Indians RH Josh Tomlin (2-0, 1.76) Arrieta took a no-hitter into the sixth inning in Game 2 at Cleveland and ended up with the win, his first of the postseason. The reigning NL Cy Young Award winner had a little trouble controlling his arsenal with three walks, but struck out six. "I just want to execute with quality in and out of the strike zone, and try to get ahead in the count as early and as often as I can to open up some more options for myself," Arrieta told reporters of his approach to Game 6. Tomlin surrendered two hits in 4 2/3 scoreless innings in Game 3 and was yanked by Francona at the first hint of trouble in a game the Indians went on to win 1-0. The 32-year-old Texan allowed two or fewer runs in each of his last eight appearances going back to the regular season and yielded one home run in that span. Tomlin is going on three days' rest in Game 6 but only threw 58 pitches in Game 3. WALK-OFFS: 1. Cubs RH Kyle Hendricks would start a potential Game 7 against Indians RH Corey Kluber, who pitched Games 1 and 4. 2. Indians SS Francisco Lindor is batting .421 in the World Series and hit safely in four of five games, going 0-for-3 in the Arrieta-started Game 2. 3. Chicago OF Kyle Schwarber is expected to return to the lineup as DH.

Frayed Knot Nov 01 2016 04:51 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Chad Ochoseis wrote: Don't know if this got beyond the Cleveland media and went national... [url]http://fox8.com/2016/10/28/indians-fans-create-wedding-registry-for-joe-buck-and-cubs-kyle-schwarber/ That's pretty funny, and even prior to that JCL remarked about about 'Buck's boyfriend coming up' during a Schwarber PH appearance. But fans always overdo their complaints about announcer rooting bias. At worst announcers root for stories and, like it or not Cleveland, the biggest story this year would be the Cubs winning it all and the second biggest would be the Cubs NOT winning. In most other years the Indians would be the sentimental choice but not this year and not against the Cubs. It had been something like five years since MLB's WS ratings topped those of the NFL's Sunday night game but they did so significantly this week [15.something to around 11) and that's against a Cowboys game on Sunday, and a good Cowboy team at that vs a big city division rival (Philly). Schwarber is a story within the bigger story so it's not a surprise that the booth latches onto that.

cooby Nov 01 2016 05:01 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Lol. Joe buck looks pretty in his wedding dress I've hated the cubs all my life and I would root against them in the WS no matter who they played but certainly against my sons favorite team I hope they get crushed

d'Kong76 Nov 01 2016 05:21 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Prediction: Tribe wins by a touchdown+field goal+safety = 12! Three-day party starts tonight in Cleveland around 11:47 PM. That's all I got, the crystal has gone dark.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 01 2016 05:43 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

I get the bias perspective comes from both sides with the national announcers. With Buck I think it's palpable he understands this and to compensate he comes off almost flippant and insincere, as though his real feeling is he hates both teams and would prefer not to be put in this situation in the first place.

Edgy MD Nov 01 2016 05:53 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Anybody else read the story about a month ago (I think an excerpt from a book) in which he acknowledges his disappearance for a season back around 2011 was due to a paralyzed vocal chord, sustained as a complication from a hairplug surgery — something he has gotten addicted to? http://www.si.com/tech-media/2016/10/06 ... gery-voice Joe's a crazy guy. He may be the living embodiment of Biff Thunderpants.

bmfc1 Nov 01 2016 07:27 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Joe West, tonight's home plate umpire, was once ejected from a Mariners-Angels game by Leslie Nielsen. It's true! https://youtu.be/64On9fSnhqs?t=1m14s

G-Fafif Nov 01 2016 07:38 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

I've never been a fan of Joe Buck, but he's decidedly not gotten on my nerves this World Series. Smoltz may know pitching, but I wish he'd been as effective against the Mets as he has been as a game analyst.

MFS62 Nov 01 2016 11:45 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Why is Pete Rose part of World Series coverage? This guy wonders the same thing, on Forbes.com. http://www.forbes.com/sites/howardcole/ ... 75c96c68a1 Later

d'Kong76 Nov 02 2016 12:23 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

I don't really get the whole Alex and Rose thing, I suppose we all could come up with 200 candidates better suited for the job but that's showbiz.

MFS62 Nov 02 2016 12:26 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Back to the game. 3-0 Cubs on a Bryantboom and Russell double in the top of the first. Later

Zvon Nov 02 2016 12:29 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

I cannot believe that ball dropped in, and a WS collision at the plate! Never thought I'd see one of those again.

themetfairy Nov 02 2016 01:05 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

It looks like Chad is going to get to go to tomorrow's game!

d'Kong76 Nov 02 2016 01:08 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

My good crystal ball is in the shop.

metirish Nov 02 2016 01:10 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Well, this sucks

Chad Ochoseis Nov 02 2016 01:35 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

themetfairy wrote: It looks like Chad is going to get to go to tomorrow's game! Upper deck, 1st base side. 3rd row. Don't know the exact section. Prolly away from any cameras, but I'll be the only guy in the park with an Indians cap and a Fafif t-shirt. Crowd at the 811 Prospect bar still screaming on every pitch. Nobody's conceded this game yet.

Zvon Nov 02 2016 01:45 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

6 RBI for Russell! [fimg=500:m09p7pr0]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwOBR4zWEAADluL.jpg[/fimg:m09p7pr0]

G-Fafif Nov 02 2016 02:22 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Chad Ochoseis wrote: I'll be the only guy in the park with an Indians cap and a Fafif t-shirt. Very sharp!

Frayed Knot Nov 02 2016 02:54 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Madden going to Chapman here is pretty shocking IMO.

Zvon Nov 02 2016 02:58 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Frayed Knot wrote: Madden going to Chapman here is pretty shocking IMO. Ditto. Ridin' him like Yogi used to ride Tug. Huge reversal. And I really thought he was safe, no question, in real time. I think Chapman hurt his leg there. Trying to hide it walking off the field but he was limping right after the play. This is getting dramatic. :)

Zvon Nov 02 2016 03:31 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Maddon should have pulled Chapman after the RizzoBomb. He won't get thru the 9th. They might not need him tomorrow with all hands on deck. Indians have a man on 1st, no outs. 9-2 Cubs.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 02 2016 03:36 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

jeez. don't get thrown out on the bases down by 6 in the 9th!

Frayed Knot Nov 02 2016 03:41 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

And we'll see you tomorrow night. (or later tonight had this game lasted a few more minutes)

Edgy MD Nov 02 2016 03:43 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

There's still time for the Indians to lose that stupid logo before Game Seven.

MFS62 Nov 02 2016 01:56 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: jeez. don't get thrown out on the bases down by 6 in the 9th! Is Francona the kind of manager who will verbally skin the guy alive, or will he say nothing and let the player stew in his own juices? Later

Edgy MD Nov 02 2016 02:24 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

I don't know that any manager drives such basic principles home anymore. It's maddening. But mercy, we've got a Game 7. [tweet:6nmtb9e7]https://twitter.com/OldHossRadbourn/status/793670916668555264[/tweet:6nmtb9e7]

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 02 2016 02:29 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

MFS62 wrote: John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: jeez. don't get thrown out on the bases down by 6 in the 9th! Is Francona the kind of manager who will verbally skin the guy alive, or will he say nothing and let the player stew in his own juices? Later All the more idiotic in that I'm sure they wouldn't have even bothered holding him on first base so he'd get 2nd base uncontested on the very next pitch. Likely it didn't mean anything but they at least had a chance to get some momentum into Game 7. What a waste.

Chad Ochoseis Nov 02 2016 02:48 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Edgy MD wrote: There's still time for the Indians to lose that stupid logo before Game Seven. I wouldn't count on it happening in the next few hours, but I think it's on its way out. Manfred has already scheduled a meeting with the Dolans (yes, they're related to the MSG Dolans somehow) during the off-season. I think management as well as the city would love to have political cover from the Commisioner to retire Chief Wahoo; it's an embarrassment to a city that's finally started making itself look good after three quarters of a century of near-continuous civic embarrassments. There is, of course, a reactionary segment of the fan base (every fan base has a reactionary segment) that wants to keep the Chief, partially out of a desire to cling to traditions and partially from the general "fuck you" attitude that most of us take when pressured to change, even if change happens to be the right thing. I give it another couple of years. Then a respectful retirement, and maybe a special exhibit on the Chief in the Indians HoF, where they could have a discussion about traditions while recognizing that what was cool in 1950 is ugly and racist in the 21st century.

Centerfield Nov 02 2016 02:49 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: jeez. don't get thrown out on the bases down by 6 in the 9th! Is Francona the kind of manager who will verbally skin the guy alive, or will he say nothing and let the player stew in his own juices? Later All the more idiotic in that I'm sure they wouldn't have even bothered holding him on first base so he'd get 2nd base uncontested on the very next pitch. Likely it didn't mean anything but they at least had a chance to get some momentum into Game 7. What a waste. Yup. If there's even any hint you get thrown out, you stay put. It's not like Heyward just suddenly learned to throw.

TransMonk Nov 02 2016 02:51 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

After an Eternity, the Cubs and the Indians Will Have to Wait One More Day “If you’re a fan of baseball, this is the best outcome you could possibly hope for in a World Series anyone’s been alive for,” Cubs first baseman Anthony Rizzo said. I'm a fan of baseball and this is not the best outcome I could have hoped for...because the Mets are not playing. Dick.

Frayed Knot Nov 02 2016 03:08 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Chad Ochoseis wrote: I give it another couple of years. Then a respectful retirement, and maybe a special exhibit on the Chief in the Indians HoF, where they could have a discussion about traditions while recognizing that what was cool in 1950 is ugly and racist in the 21st century. At which point the debate will shift to whether keeping the name 'Indians' is just as bad even with Mr. Wahoo gone.

d'Kong76 Nov 02 2016 03:15 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Chi. Cubs at Cleveland When: 8:00 PM ET, Wednesday, November 2, 2016 Where: Progressive Field, Cleveland, Ohio SportsDirect Inc. A longstanding drought will end for either the Chicago Cubs or Cleveland Indians on Wednesday night while the other team will be flooded with heartbreak. The visiting Cubs forced a decisive Game 7 with Tuesday’s 9-3 victory and are aiming to win their first World Series title since 1908 while the Indians are trying to break a rut that dates back to 1948. Chicago recovered from a 3-1 deficit to win the last two games but has yet to solve Cleveland ace Corey Kluber, who is looking to become the first starting pitcher since Detroit’s Mickey Lolich in 1968 to record three victories in a single World Series. Chicago shortstop Addison Russell (age 22) is coming off his own sterling performance as he became the second youngest player to hit a grand slam (behind New York Yankees legend Mickey Mantle) and matched the Series record of six RBIs – tying Yankees Bobby Richardson (1960), Hideki Matsui (2009) and former St. Louis Cardinals slugger Albert Pujols (2011). “We’ve been doing this all year, putting new history in history books and you wouldn’t be able to tell that,” Russell told reporters afterward. The one-sided affair allows the Indians to have stellar left-hander Andrew Miller (0.53 ERA, 29 strikeouts in 17 postseason innings in 2016) and right-handed closer Cody Allen (22 strikeouts in 11 2/3 scoreless innings in 2016) rested for Game 7 while Cubs left-handed closer Aroldis Chapman pitched 1 1/3 innings on Tuesday despite the margin. TV: 8:08 p.m. ET, FOX PITCHING MATCHUP: Cubs RH Kyle Hendricks (1-1, 1.31 ERA) vs. Indians RH Corey Kluber (4-1, 0.89) Hendricks, who won 16 regular-season games, took a no-decision in Game 3 of the World Series when he allowed six hits and two walks in 4 1/3 scoreless innings. The 26-year-old is ecstatic to have the opportunity to help the Cubs end their 108-year title drought. “Exactly, this is the ultimate dream. You dream of getting to the World Series, winning the World Series,” Hendricks told reporters at a press conference. “When you’re out in your backyard as a kid, playing Little League at the field with your friends, this is the moment you dream about. … It’s always Game 7 of the World Series.” Kluber has struck out 15 in 12 innings during the World Series while allowing just one run in his two victories. He has repeatedly had his best stuff during the postseason despite regularly pitching on short rest and manager Terry Francona has been impressed that the 2014 American League Cy Young Award winner has remained sharp. “I wouldn’t want to do this all year, in fairness to him,” Francona told reporters at a press conference. “But I think for a couple starts, I think he can handle it just fine.” WALK-OFFS: 1. Cubs 3B Kris Bryant went 4-for-5 in Game 6 and homered for the second straight game while 1B Anthony Rizzo also had a homer among three hits. 2. Cleveland 2B Jason Kipnis, who grew up in the Chicago area, had three hits and a homer in two of the past three games. 3. Chicago OF Kyle Schwarber will again serve as the DH and is batting .333 in the World Series despite missing the previous six-plus months due to knee surgery.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 02 2016 03:15 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

They should take a lesson from that bald douche who owns the Akron and Jacksonville franchises and change the name to something "family friendly and fun" oh, and and lucrative. Seriously, they should go as the Cleveland Spiders, I'm sure we've discussed this before but there's historical precedent, marketing gold and PR value in doing it.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 02 2016 03:17 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

I agree. "Spiders" is the way to go.

Frayed Knot Nov 02 2016 03:25 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

That's probably the best way to hook whatever fans are determined to hang onto a name simply because it's old and 'original' -- sell them on the idea that the one you're switching to is even older and more original!! SPI-DERS! SPI-DERS! SPI-DERS!

Edgy MD Nov 02 2016 03:32 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

The fans could vote on which mascot they prefer: [fimg=300:qh2l8wak]http://jkhgroup.com/creepyspiderFM71125.jpg[/fimg:qh2l8wak] [fimg=300:qh2l8wak]http://www.spotsound.co.uk/8780-thickbox_default/spider-mascot-with-rastafarian-jamaican-reggae-colors.jpg[/fimg:qh2l8wak] [fimg=300:qh2l8wak]http://www.herostime.com/image/cache/data/Spiderman%20Costumes/SC070/new-Silk-Spider-morph-suit-Silk-Cindy-Moon-Spider-Costume-SC070-174x232.jpg[/fimg:qh2l8wak] [fimg=300:qh2l8wak]https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/f4/ce/d4/f4ced47a0d9803ee2974c8f45dc31b39.jpg[/fimg:qh2l8wak] [fimg=300:qh2l8wak]http://d2ydh70d4b5xgv.cloudfront.net/images/c/8/marvel-kawaii-metallic-mascot-3-5in-plush-toy-spider-man-9be7d011d198b9cc4170f6fd09a1ab12.jpg[/fimg:qh2l8wak] [fimg=300:qh2l8wak]http://images.asadart.com/sources/com/halloweenexpress/images/imagecache/375-252-CC20149.jpg[/fimg:qh2l8wak]

themetfairy Nov 02 2016 03:36 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

This is just cracking me up!

seawolf17 Nov 02 2016 03:50 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Tempted to go with one of the sexy spiders, but the dog spider is their best bet.

cooby Nov 02 2016 04:54 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Edgy MD wrote: There's still time for the Indians to lose that stupid logo before Game Seven. You mean that boring "C"?

Edgy MD Nov 02 2016 06:04 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

It's as good at time as any to confess that neither Rookie of the Year nor Major League (nor its sequels) do anything for me.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 02 2016 06:06 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

And I'll confess that I've never even seen either of those movies.

d'Kong76 Nov 02 2016 06:23 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

I've never been big on baseball movies. The Cubs can't win tonight because some Hollywood bozo will be on the horn trying to find someone to play Genius Joe Maddon (sorry Tony, the torch has been passed) in 2016, The Year It Ended.

Frayed Knot Nov 02 2016 06:25 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

[fimg=250:1pz76yyh]http://joeposnanski.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/wpid-SpidersLogo-2014-03-25-09-56.jpg[/fimg:1pz76yyh]

Benjamin Grimm Nov 02 2016 06:30 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

I think UniWatch did a thing a year or so ago where it showcased submitted designs about what modern Cleveland Spiders uniforms might look like.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 02 2016 06:41 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

http://www.uni-watch.com/2012/04/29/cle ... finalists/

Frayed Knot Nov 02 2016 07:08 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I think UniWatch did a thing a year or so ago where it showcased submitted designs about what modern Cleveland Spiders uniforms might look like. Yeah, this Spiders idea of ours isn't all that original. Apparently some folks hate this proposal on account of the one thing they know about the Spiders of the late 19th century is the 1899 team that posted a 20-134 record. But they were at least reasonably good prior to that (they didn't just have a Cy Young pitcher after all ... they had Cy Young!!) and only crashed after the owner sold all his good players over to the St Louis team which he also owned. That act led to a ban on owners owning more than one team and also led to Cleveland being one of four franchises contracted by the NL as they headed into the new century (also Baltimore, Louisville, and Washington) leaving just the 'original eight' that most fans know. Cleveland was then of course revived as a major league baseball town two years later by the new American League, so while there's not really a direct line from the old Spiders to the Cleveland Blues/Bronchos/Naps and, since 1915, the Indians, there is a connection between the name and the city.

Frayed Knot Nov 02 2016 10:54 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

8:08 first pitch That's 7:08 Chicago time which, if translated into 24-hour/military time = 1908 Coincidence?!?!? Of course it's a coincidence you morons!! btw, when I'm elected king, we're all immediately moving to 24-hour time, it's so much more logical.

d'Kong76 Nov 02 2016 11:10 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

batmagadanleadoff wrote: I really like that.

Chad Ochoseis Nov 02 2016 11:25 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

A solid 20% Cub fans here at the park. And a cop mistook my Fafif shirt for a Cub shirt.

MFS62 Nov 03 2016 12:23 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

1-0 Cubs after one inning. Later

Edgy MD Nov 03 2016 12:33 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Thirty-four homers in the leadoff slot. Who do you think you are — the Mets?

Chad Ochoseis Nov 03 2016 12:38 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Indians fans sing the José, José, José song for José Ramirez.

seawolf17 Nov 03 2016 12:39 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

I love that we have a reporter at the game.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 03 2016 12:49 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Oh this could be a real game here

Frayed Knot Nov 03 2016 01:07 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

1-1 after 3, but the game's much closer than the score indicates. Injuns have hit into some hard outs. And I get all this 'the game is different now' and 'it's a new generation' stuff, and when it comes to overt celebrating and the like I'm fine with all that. But it's Game 7 of the WS, HOW THE FUCK is Fowler not running on his leadoff HR which got over the wall by like 2 feet? If that's off the wall instead of over it he's lucky to get hisself a double instead of what could quite possibly be a sure triple (or more?). Less seriously but still odd is seeing Schwarber immediately making sure that he didn't hurt Lindor on his slide, as if that's his first thought at being thrown out on an attempted double. Or I'm just an old man ranting. oe: and how did the 2nd base ump mess up that earlier force play when Baez tried to bare-hand the ball??

Frayed Knot Nov 03 2016 01:13 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Rajai Davis, you got to throw a guy out from that distance. Some less than stellar defense all around so far tonight.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 03 2016 01:19 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

His route on Contreras' hit was even worse. I think Cespedes makes that play.

MFS62 Nov 03 2016 01:20 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Frayed Knot wrote: Or I'm just an old man ranting. Just because you are, it doesn't mean that stuff isn't true. And I'm saying that from experience at being a ranting old man. Later

Chad Ochoseis Nov 03 2016 01:20 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Kluber hasn't looked sharp all game, even when he's gotten outs. I'm amazed that Terry F. hasn't gotten someone (Shaw? Salazar? ) up in the pen yet.

HahnSolo Nov 03 2016 01:22 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Maybe it's just the Cubs time. In that 4th inning you had aHBP on an 0-2 count; a botched throw on a potential DP by Napoli and the Davis play.

Frayed Knot Nov 03 2016 01:26 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Chad Ochoseis wrote: Kluber hasn't looked sharp all game, even when he's gotten outs. When you figure it's the second start in a row on short rest and the third time in barely a week that Cubs hitters are seeing the same pitcher, that there's at least some fall-off shouldn't be too surprising. I'm amazed that Terry F. hasn't gotten someone (Shaw? Salazar? ) up in the pen yet. Maddon so far seems like he's willing to be quicker with the hook than Francona.

Zvon Nov 03 2016 01:30 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

That should cancel out his errors. BAEZBOOM! 4-1 Cubs

Zvon Nov 03 2016 01:33 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Frayed Knot wrote: 1-1 after 3, but the game's much closer than the score indicates. Injuns have hit into some hard outs. And I get all this 'the game is different now' and 'it's a new generation' stuff, and when it comes to overt celebrating and the like I'm fine with all that. But it's Game 7 of the WS, HOW THE FUCK is Fowler not running on his leadoff HR which got over the wall by like 2 feet? If that's off the wall instead of over it he's lucky to get hisself a double instead of what could quite possibly be a sure triple (or more?). Less seriously but still odd is seeing Schwarber immediately making sure that he didn't hurt Lindor on his slide, as if that's his first thought at being thrown out on an attempted double. Or I'm just an old man ranting. oe: and how did the 2nd base ump mess up that earlier force play when Baez tried to bare-hand the ball?? Than I'll rant with you. Running hard to first is so basic. And the Baez barehand-was that West?- the ump was right there and it was so clear that he never had a handle.

Frayed Knot Nov 03 2016 01:37 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Zvon wrote: And the Baez barehand-was that West?- the ump was right there and it was so clear that he never had a handle. Not West but John Hirschbeck in what will be the final game of his career.

MFS62 Nov 03 2016 01:39 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Frayed Knot wrote: And the Baez barehand-was that West?- the ump was right there and it was so clear that he never had a handle. Not West but John Hirschbeck in what will be the final game of his career. Wherever he's going, he should take West and Angel Hernandez with him. OE: Looks like they've pierced Miller's cloak of invincibility. 5-1 Cubs. Later

d'Kong76 Nov 03 2016 01:44 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Not enjoying this one eye oh tah...

seawolf17 Nov 03 2016 01:49 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

I really wanted this game to be competitive.

Frayed Knot Nov 03 2016 01:59 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

seawolf17 wrote: I really wanted this game to be competitive. It's quickly getting there.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 03 2016 01:59 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

um...

Zvon Nov 03 2016 02:01 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

WoW! Ross with 2 miscues makes it 5-3. Damn, that be a shame if Ross ends up the goat.

seawolf17 Nov 03 2016 02:02 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Zvon wrote: WoW! Ross with 2 miscues makes it 5-3. Damn, that be a shame if Ross ends up the goat. Can someone explain the WIN IT FOR DAVID ROSS thing? He won a ring with the Sox three years ago.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 03 2016 02:08 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

He certainly looks ready to retire. oh for fucks sake

Zvon Nov 03 2016 02:09 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

seawolf17 wrote: Zvon wrote: WoW! Ross with 2 miscues makes it 5-3. Damn, that be a shame if Ross ends up the goat. Can someone explain the WIN IT FOR DAVID ROSS thing? He won a ring with the Sox three years ago. I guess cause this is his last game before retirement. I think there's a host of people higher on that list to win it for. HOLY SCHMOLY, ROSS REDEEMS HIMSELF! [fimg=300]https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/oZa3-rvrFe9kz9yIXmw8uHklBytD_XfQBXv2DWBCF0AfojilXD2NHsuTHk5sikl206_U84NcWN7-IaDWc5YUgavH5XEPNl2ytCOwzpqPVJfjJp2FZc_rwEnsI6gsKA2Tuc_4Tc9_3FNw6VAtvXcJMpLlXZbqH9xwCt50IztRTly1qWy5Pdcw1HP-iN--Y42cvmgEoRh-uEcm8I7ZhmsEzKyqgH5qMx6hvNwD14OjgxcxkHugejxiOLWBFYy4o2rOujIfpC27RP5g2j09fDDB7NHCghEHpdE4l2l8-wyy0x-sGmYlF29ya8B2LbeqLy7dAACeDVqhKaYwGf1D3cW2iG82aADWeAdyoZpa1AWvJN1ni7VldRHMur-vvsgxDdrm-DeAvc_Eag5KgeTQZ-8fPdsxWjvfYsk-jAwFJKvrSlhQPPmYSedSo8-DhFSSZW0K6RrirxHlM_PBnNfE8u_7zG22HeQSLGcJ2lbANeDHLrxJ2-RTm-V2RflwX4-qR-u2NAq8IL1Qt-VCuK6eiyj76uptiVBec02kAXYNPVXDzriUDCnuhOjN4VXF2Rf4D7C89GoEIoqIbL1_pYlE5lreNOmaFn1kIu6_hqybhEuLuHKmrSAvbQ=w461-h440-no[/fimg]

Frayed Knot Nov 03 2016 02:12 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

seawolf17 wrote: Zvon wrote: WoW! Ross with 2 miscues makes it 5-3. Damn, that be a shame if Ross ends up the goat. Can someone explain the WIN IT FOR DAVID ROSS thing? He won a ring with the Sox three years ago. This was brought up a week or two ago. He just seems to be extraordinarily popular with both his teammates and the Chicago fans despite being in that town for just the last two of his 15 ML seasons. He's 'Grandpa Rossy' to his young teammates.

Frayed Knot Nov 03 2016 02:41 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

So here's my question about Ross: if he's so important to Lester's success that they pull the superior hitting Contreras in Game 7 of the WS to placate Lester coming out of the pen, doesn't that suggest a significant drop-off for Lester next season? ... not to mention the four seasons they're on the hook for after that.

Zvon Nov 03 2016 02:47 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Oh maaaan, Lester still had plenty of time to get two. I think he's a bit of a headcase with the throwing to bases business.

Frayed Knot Nov 03 2016 02:49 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Zvon wrote: Oh maaaan, Lester still had plenty of time to get two. I think he's a bit of a headcase with the throwing to bases business. And then there's THAT problem moving forward as well.

Zvon Nov 03 2016 02:51 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Frayed Knot wrote: So here's my question about Ross: if he's so important to Lester's success that they pull the superior hitting Contreras in Game 7 of the WS to placate Lester coming out of the pen, doesn't that suggest a significant drop-off for Lester next season? ... not to mention the four seasons they're on the hook for after that. Zvon wrote: Oh maaaan, Lester still had plenty of time to get two. I think he's a bit of a headcase with the throwing to bases business. It's for that reason I don't think Ross's departure effects him in the least.

Zvon Nov 03 2016 02:53 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

This is pretty kool. [tweet:35ei1aor]https://twitter.com/AAARPGodess/status/794008635579965441[/tweet:35ei1aor]

Zvon Nov 03 2016 02:58 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

[fimg=500:k6tdfeup]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwTjsy7UkAEbGi0.jpg:large[/fimg:k6tdfeup]

Chad Ochoseis Nov 03 2016 03:01 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Cub fans are acting like douchebags.

Edgy MD Nov 03 2016 03:01 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Mike Napoli: future Met.

d'Kong76 Nov 03 2016 03:02 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

I have to say goodnight; can't root for the Cubs and can't watch them rooted for here.

Mets Guy in Michigan Nov 03 2016 03:03 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

I like the llama in those bank ads. He's a bad ass.

Edgy MD Nov 03 2016 03:04 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Oh, Chapman. Now I'm totally not rooting for the Cubs.

Edgy MD Nov 03 2016 03:10 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Way to show some heart, Cleveland.

Mets Guy in Michigan Nov 03 2016 03:12 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Edgy MD wrote: Way to show some heart, Cleveland. Big time.

Zvon Nov 03 2016 03:12 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

If this backfires on Maddon they will be talking about it for the next 108 years. 6-4 Cubs

Edgy MD Nov 03 2016 03:13 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

HOLYFUCKINGSHIT!

Zvon Nov 03 2016 03:13 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Un believe able

themetfairy Nov 03 2016 03:14 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Holy shit!

Frayed Knot Nov 03 2016 03:14 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

OXYGEN MAGNESIUM

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 03 2016 03:14 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

wow

Edgy MD Nov 03 2016 03:15 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

That's what you get for turning the game over to a true Yankee like Aroldis Chapman, Cubs.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 03 2016 03:15 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

this is great

Mets Guy in Michigan Nov 03 2016 03:15 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Gee, maybe he should have rested Chapman last night.

Frayed Knot Nov 03 2016 03:16 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Mets Guy in Michigan wrote: Gee, maybe he should have Arrested Chapman last night. Fixed it for you

Mets Guy in Michigan Nov 03 2016 03:17 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Frayed Knot wrote: Mets Guy in Michigan wrote: Gee, maybe he should have Arrested Chapman last night. Fixed it for you Bad ass. You and the llama.

Zvon Nov 03 2016 03:24 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Mets Guy in Michigan wrote: Mets Guy in Michigan wrote: Gee, maybe he should have Arrested Chapman last night. Fixed it for you Bad ass. You and the llama. I hate the llama. Man, I thought they'd avoid using Chapman unless they had to. Everyone knows the "how much he has pitched" angle and if the Cubs don't come back Maddon will never hear the end of it. Even if they do comeback.....

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 03 2016 03:26 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

this is hardly the best game ever played but so unpredictable! Rajai Davis?

Zvon Nov 03 2016 03:33 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 03 2016 03:35 AM

[crossout:2ycu5f4n]Boy am I glad this isn't the Mets playing.[/crossout:2ycu5f4n] I don't think I could take it. Oh no, this is bullshit. That was not a bad slide. OE: I might not be able to take it but I guess I'd prefer that the Mets were still playing. I'll change that to I'm glad I'm not a Cubs fan.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 03 2016 03:33 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

That slide was okay

Frayed Knot Nov 03 2016 03:34 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

I can't imagine what could possibly be wrong with that slide or what exactly the umps were reviewing.

Chad Ochoseis Nov 03 2016 03:37 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Looked fine to me, and I'm biased. And, yeah, holee shit on that Davis HR. Never heard a stadium so loud.

Zvon Nov 03 2016 03:40 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Heyward gets to 3rd, 1 out in the 9th! Crap, I made a mess outta this [tweet]https://twitter.com/ngenovese11/status/794020467954696193[/tweet] [tweet]https://twitter.com/baseball_ref/status/794020570329387008[/tweet]

Mets Guy in Michigan Nov 03 2016 03:41 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Big K on the botched bunt! You hate the llama?

seawolf17 Nov 03 2016 03:42 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

A walk-off Indians win here would be AMAZING.

Frayed Knot Nov 03 2016 03:42 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Maddon LOVES squeeze bunts, and I've seen him bunt in A LOT of 2-strike situations (and it's not like I sit around all day watching Cubs games) But, man, I would have swung away there.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 03 2016 03:42 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

great play Lindor. thought that was a hit

Frayed Knot Nov 03 2016 03:43 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

seawolf17 wrote: A walk-off Indians win here would be AMAZING. Last walk-off WS win was Snakes v Yanx in 2001, right? Whatsisname Gonzalez.

Chad Ochoseis Nov 03 2016 03:43 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Incredible. He was to the right of 2B, in short right center.

seawolf17 Nov 03 2016 03:44 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: great play Lindor. thought that was a hit As soon as he hit it, I was sure it was into center. But Lindor had it played perfectly.

Edgy MD Nov 03 2016 03:44 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

It's a shortstop showcase.

Zvon Nov 03 2016 03:45 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Mets Guy in Michigan wrote: You hate the llama? I hate the llama. If I only saw it once a week, and there wasn't a series of them, I might feel differently. Chapman stays in. Oh boy. [tweet]https://twitter.com/LarryLambert6/status/794020485398982656[/tweet]

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 03 2016 03:45 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

some guy on twitter: This is what Showalter as saving Zach Britton for.

HahnSolo Nov 03 2016 03:45 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Maddons all in with Chapman

Frayed Knot Nov 03 2016 03:46 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: great play Lindor. thought that was a hit And that same play w/one out and it's a run whether Lindor makes the play or not - further making the bunt an odd call. So when you get to some 'Terry makes us scratch our heads' play in 2017, remember that it's not like those would go away if someone else was managing instead.

Mets Guy in Michigan Nov 03 2016 03:47 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Stunned he sent Chapman back out there. I'm liking the llama over the political ads. The local ones are horrendous.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 03 2016 03:47 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

HahnSolo wrote: Maddons all in with Chapman Man. Terry leaned too hard on Fammy last year too.

Frayed Knot Nov 03 2016 03:48 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Edgy MD wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: seawolf17 wrote: A walk-off Indians win here would be AMAZING. Last walk-off WS win was Snakes v Yanx in 2001, right? Whatsisname Gonzalez. 21-hopper past the intangible glove of Derek Jeter. Actually it was a floater over his head barely reaching the OF grass as Torre had the infield drawn in rather than at DP-depth (a sore point among certain MFY fans).

Mets Guy in Michigan Nov 03 2016 03:50 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Thought for a second that was going out.

Edgy MD Nov 03 2016 03:50 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Chappy fooling nobodies.

Zvon Nov 03 2016 03:52 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: some guy on twitter: This is what Showalter as saving Zach Britton for. Ha. This is bazaar. Wowow, what a game.

Frayed Knot Nov 03 2016 03:53 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

And now the season is giving us bonus baseball.

Mets Guy in Michigan Nov 03 2016 03:53 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Extras in Game seven! I think the Indians took the Marlins to a game seven extra in 1997, too.

Frayed Knot Nov 03 2016 03:54 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Y'know what I just realized ... I forgot to get my free taco today!!!

Mets Guy in Michigan Nov 03 2016 03:55 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 03 2016 03:56 AM

Rain delay???? Are you kidding me? That radar does not look good. Probably means Chapman done.

Frayed Knot Nov 03 2016 03:56 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

OH MAN!!!!!! I did not need this.

Zvon Nov 03 2016 03:56 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

UUUUUUUUUUUUUgh, get the fuck outta here. Rain delay!!!!!! And I think at this point the entire world has tuned in to this game.

Centerfield Nov 03 2016 03:57 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Rain delay! Lol. I love watching baseball fans during these games. No one is having fun. They look like they are in physical pain. Postseason baseball folks.

Zvon Nov 03 2016 03:58 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Zvon wrote: And I think at this point the entire world has tuned in to this game. Living proof. [tweet]https://twitter.com/wilw/status/794025476700258304[/tweet]

Frayed Knot Nov 03 2016 04:00 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Doesn't look too bad At least the game isn't being played in Toledo.

Centerfield Nov 03 2016 04:02 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Maddon deserves to lose. What a dickhead move pulling Hendricks.

Centerfield Nov 03 2016 04:03 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Oh yay. Tom Verducci.

Mets Guy in Michigan Nov 03 2016 04:04 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Centerfield wrote: Oh yay. Tom Verducci. Verducci standing in soft rain! He likes that. Or was that Klapisch?

Centerfield Nov 03 2016 04:09 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

They can't stand Buck? Ok guys let's throw it to Verducci. Wait what? They hate him too? Ok. Let's send it back to the studio and give it to ARod and Pete Rose. And WTF. How is Pete Rose calling the World Series. We should all be so banned from baseball.

Centerfield Nov 03 2016 04:12 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Frank Thomas says any team can win this game. Does that include the Mets? We still have Cespedes right?

Edgy MD Nov 03 2016 04:16 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Rajai came to play.

Zvon Nov 03 2016 04:18 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Centerfield wrote: We still have Cespedes right? Yes. And if this game never ends we always will.

Zvon Nov 03 2016 04:21 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

ZOBRIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Cubs got lead! 7-6, 10th.

Mets Guy in Michigan Nov 03 2016 04:21 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Whoa!

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 03 2016 04:21 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

fucking Zobrist

seawolf17 Nov 03 2016 04:23 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: fucking Zobrist Seriously.

Zvon Nov 03 2016 04:23 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

I will climb under my desk if Chapman comes out in the bottom frame.

Mets Guy in Michigan Nov 03 2016 04:23 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Wheels coming off.

seawolf17 Nov 03 2016 04:25 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Maybe they should try walking more guys, put some more runners on base. Idiots.

Frayed Knot Nov 03 2016 04:25 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

You can question Maddon's pitcher use, but every move he's made off the bench has worked out tonight: Ross, Almora, Montero

Edgy MD Nov 03 2016 04:26 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Trevor Bauer? Did he say Trevor Bauer?

Centerfield Nov 03 2016 04:27 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

I know we are about evenly divided here, but I can't see how anyone here can root for Ben Fucking Zobrist. Fuck these Cubs man.

Zvon Nov 03 2016 04:28 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Every time I tweeted this Harry Caray card the Cubs scored the following inning. Lucky Harry. [fimg=400:37tgfm7k]https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Fv_6tOGUzMTqpmHvUkeijMjrchp321MdlbyyhWtbwZ9l_7K96x74OM2uER-xm9r0Hb_VHC6wBsJrjq_qVYF4_-5f63S2PAW-1GElOH29iZROS1IoI5orhycBQ2f28k_puO88H_-6MdJnZWWv9AV_Va-Ahe3KFYLFO9hgcoUiROtyaa8xcE4mZ_e6_rea0IkUHq7GzWqiu2WuignOgXVVDKpwRjvCik_dChjyTO_gL8c3Fje8MnjoetV6VfeYWa8I5qwrtMj9XTzE5qoSGyGTTH_zVpAebXuGs3g6-oDqB_vk7406FYZQKfbQE0JxkgaQNlGbtVHgBoq7AaQxZjpg8G8YSN_fHHsUNXNNqzm2rssI5Izvb1OikN18nSLB-9HWJcy8MYd1_1mb2UArcXYBUciBdy5jmFAMszj08n8w7lOiXtSDU2SisAveD2Mf32nLN4F_TKrvp3ZWhwXpvlIH_Q4TMwAeFhsCGWAzBzwVq19vYtpCoYMw15Y5LFYiCqjYbkaKI1nuySYlGIBM5bKvTctbZizTSnAPq6mOAKynyP6byXeMijr7HEK1HIRmonEMtWVvIHwu4dfDHFmYeCx8_YKGYTQiw8Lc079xDtLkcDTaf-I73g=w798-h555-no[/fimg:37tgfm7k]

Frayed Knot Nov 03 2016 04:28 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Zvon wrote: I will climb under my desk if Chapman comes out in the bottom frame. It depends on the size of the lead. If the Cubs get four or more runs then Maddon is going to bring in Bastardo.

Zvon Nov 03 2016 04:29 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Frayed Knot wrote: Zvon wrote: I will climb under my desk if Chapman comes out in the bottom frame. It depends on the size of the lead. If the Cubs get four or more runs Maddon is going to bring in Bastardo. *grabs chest*

Edgy MD Nov 03 2016 04:33 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Bauer!

Frayed Knot Nov 03 2016 04:35 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Looks like Carl Edwards to try and close it out. I guess he's not racing on the NASCAR circuit this week. [fimg=300:tce642jd]http://a.fssta.com/content/dam/fsdigital/fscom/nascar/images/nascarsection/2015/11/30/Sprint-Cup/113015-NASCAR-Sprint-Cup-Series-CARL-EDWARDS-ssm.vadapt.664.high.28.jpg[/fimg:tce642jd] Oh wait, this is Carl Edwards [u:tce642jd]Jr[/u:tce642jd] ... probably the driver's son.

Mets Guy in Michigan Nov 03 2016 04:38 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Napoli just swung at a pitch way out of the zone.

Frayed Knot Nov 03 2016 04:40 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Man there's a lot of Cubs fans there tonight.

Edgy MD Nov 03 2016 04:42 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

That's the way to get a baserunner.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 03 2016 04:42 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

tying run to the plate...

Mets Guy in Michigan Nov 03 2016 04:42 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Rain delay seemed to have sucked the momentum away from the Indians.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 03 2016 04:43 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

oh wow

Edgy MD Nov 03 2016 04:44 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Three more bases, Indians.

Mets Guy in Michigan Nov 03 2016 04:44 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Wow!

themetfairy Nov 03 2016 04:45 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Is Mookie Wilson in the house?

Frayed Knot Nov 03 2016 04:46 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

This Michael Martinez guy (coming up) played briefly for the Phils a couple years ago (2011-12) but I barely remember him. He's the last guy on Francona's bench and he's a career .197 hitter (534 ABs). He's their Eric Campbell you might say.

Mets Guy in Michigan Nov 03 2016 04:48 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

The freaking Cubs.

themetfairy Nov 03 2016 04:48 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

And that's the game!

Frayed Knot Nov 03 2016 04:49 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

All those guys wearing blue have already paid for their final drink in the city of Chicago for the rest of their lives.

Mets Guy in Michigan Nov 03 2016 04:50 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Back to the Future was a year off.

Centerfield Nov 03 2016 04:51 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

God I hate the Cubs. Baseball is over. Sucks.

Frayed Knot Nov 03 2016 04:52 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

And so begins THE VOID.

Mets Guy in Michigan Nov 03 2016 04:54 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

I hate the off-season already.

Fman99 Nov 03 2016 05:19 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

I miss baseball.

Zvon Nov 03 2016 05:35 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

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Zvon Nov 03 2016 06:20 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Chad Ochoseis Nov 03 2016 07:08 AM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Ah, what if? What if Jose Ramirez hadn't gotten himself picked off in the second in front of Chisenhall's single? What if Terry had seen that Kluber didn't have it (even his outs were hard, and he was lucky that Schwarber ran the Cubs out of the third inning) and brought in Miller sooner. Or taken a flyer on Salazar or Merritt? What if he'd pinch hit Naquin instead of Gomes for Perez in the 8th? What if there hadn't been a rain delay screwing with Shaw's momentum? Well, what the hell. It was the most exciting game I've ever seen. It would have been an exciting game if it were a mid-May game between the Angels and the Rays, and not Game 7 of the WS. First post-season game I've ever attended in my life. Though right now, I feel like crap. I yelled more than somewhat at the game, and afterwards had to make sure my buddy (an actual Indians fan) was OK, and then got to bike home from the ballpark after the sprinkle of rain that you saw on TV turned into a steady pour. The weather, otherwise, was strangely perfect - partly cloudy, mid-sixties, no wind. Worth mentioning because Cleveland doesn't get that kind of weather in November. The Progressive Field scoreboard is the one we wish we had. No ads, giant screen, clear and informative - provides names and uni numbers of every player on the field, plus clear replays, an informative scoreboard, etc., etc. That wild pitch in the 5th that scored two runs...I only saw part of the field and had no idea what happened. I'll still have to try to find a replay of it to understand it. As was noted on the board, the Cubs defense was pretty bad. But they sure can hit. The Cubs fans were generally fine, despite the post I made during the game. There was a group in front of us acting kind of douchy but, to be fair, my friend egged them on (and I'll admit to yelling "Wait till next century" at them after the Rajai Davis home run). But good for the Cubs; they were the best team in the majors this year by any reasonable measure. Thanks, everyone, for indulging my brazen affair with the Indians. Looking forward to watching a Metly WS in 2017.

TransMonk Nov 03 2016 12:16 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

After having missed most of the series before it, I tuned in during the pitch just before the Davis HR, so of course I had to keep watching until the end...though, I did it with the volume turned down.

Lefty Specialist Nov 03 2016 01:00 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

I loved Kris Bryant's smile when he fielded that ball for the final out. You don't normally see players showing emotion while the play is going on. Just an amazing game, with a million twists and turns packed into it. Coming back from a 5-1 deficit to tie. Two runners scoring on a wild pitch. A tying home run off an elite closer by the last guy you'd expect. Extra innings. A rain delay. A home run by a guy playing his final game. Scoring two in the top of the tenth and having to hang on for dear life. Just, wow. And good for the Cubbies. Now sign Cespedes, Metsies.

Frayed Knot Nov 03 2016 01:05 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Chad Ochoseis wrote: That wild pitch in the 5th that scored two runs...I only saw part of the field and had no idea what happened. I'll still have to try to find a replay of it to understand it. The pitch hopped up and struck Ross flush in the mask which, when combined with him getting his feet tangled under him, knocked him back on his ass. So between it taking him a sec to recover and get up added to the direction and distance the ricochet, it simply wound up taking the Cubs too long to go fetch the ball. And of course good aggressive running by Kipnis.

MFS62 Nov 03 2016 01:14 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

An exciting ending to an exciting series. It will forever be a case study on how to overmanage a bullpen. Now, to all you long suffering Cubs fans: You can stop whining now. SHUT THE FUCK UP. Later

Lefty Specialist Nov 03 2016 01:25 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

I think both managers fell in love with the idea of, "Hey, he's been good. There's no tomorrow. Let's push him until his arm falls off." Game 7 showed the limits of that theory.

Centerfield Nov 03 2016 01:34 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

If ever there was a manager that deserved to lose, it was Joe Maddon. It's been less than 9 hours since the Cubs won and they're already too smug for me.

Frayed Knot Nov 03 2016 01:50 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Maddon in particular seemed to get very picky about which relievers he used. Travis Wood (L) & Pedro Strop (R) appeared in 77 & 54 games during the season and both pitched to sub-3.00 ERAs and low WHiPs - but then both seemed to be left by the side of the road the deeper into post-season they got. Strop pitched all of 2 innings in the WS spread across 3 games and mostly in mop-up duty even though he gave up just 1 hit and 1 walk. Wood totaled 1.2 IP, also in 3 different games, and allowed a single run. But then somehow neither of these guys were to be trusted in Game 6 until the 5-run lead with two innings to go became a 7-run lead with one inning left. And then in game 7 he went first to Lester even if it meant swapping out his starting catcher (although Ross then HR'd so that turned out OK) and then going to the whip with Chapman before eventually being forced into rookie Carl Edwards and his grand total of 40 ML innings to close it out. Not sure if that's over-managing or under-managing ... but it's certainly interesting managing.

HahnSolo Nov 03 2016 01:53 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

I got too wired/tired to post after a while last night. Two things on last night and one on the series in general: 1. I scratched my head at subbing out Coco Crisp with the bases loaded. I understand trying to get an arm out there to cut down the potential go-ahead run, but boy if I'm the Cubs I'm glad I didn't see that guy come up as the winning run in the 10th. 2. Guyer gave them some really good ABs. He did more in 3 PAs than Chisenhall did all series. 3. This was the third game of the series where the home plate umpire was bad. So bad that my kid noticed. We can't have shitty umps in the showcase event of the sport.

Centerfield Nov 03 2016 01:55 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Frayed Knot wrote: Maddon in particular seemed to get very picky about which relievers he used. Travis Wood (L) & Pedro Strop (R) appeared in 77 & 54 games during the season and both pitched to sub-3.00 ERAs and low WHiPs - but then both seemed to be left by the side of the road the deeper into post-season they got. Strop pitched all of 2 innings in the WS spread across 3 games and mostly in mop-up duty even though he gave up just 1 hit and 1 walk. Wood totaled 1.2 IP, also in 3 different games, and allowed a single run. But then somehow neither of these guys were to be trusted in Game 6 until the 5-run lead with two innings to go became a 7-run lead with one inning left. And then in game 7 he went first to Lester even if it meant swapping out his starting catcher (although Ross then HR'd so that turned out OK) and then going to the whip with Chapman before eventually being forced into rookie Carl Edwards and his grand total of 40 ML innings to close it out. Not sure if that's over-managing or under-managing ... but it's certainly interesting managing. The most "interesting" move was pulling Hendricks when he was cruising with 2 outs in the fifth. To put in Lester, the guy who can't hold runners, with a runner on. It is a terrible move to pull a terrific starter, who is cruising, has plenty left in the tank, to go to your bullpen which is a starter on short rest, a closer who is worn down, and a bunch of guys you don't trust. And now we're going to have to see his smug face and listen to idiots blab about how smart he is. Annoying.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 03 2016 02:06 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Chad Ochoseis wrote: Ah, what if? What if Jose Ramirez hadn't gotten himself picked off in the second in front of Chisenhall's single? What if Terry had seen that Kluber didn't have it (even his outs were hard, and he was lucky that Schwarber ran the Cubs out of the third inning) and brought in Miller sooner. Or taken a flyer on Salazar or Merritt? What if he'd pinch hit Naquin instead of Gomes for Perez in the 8th? What if there hadn't been a rain delay screwing with Shaw's momentum? Well, what the hell. It was the most exciting game I've ever seen. It would have been an exciting game if it were a mid-May game between the Angels and the Rays, and not Game 7 of the WS. First post-season game I've ever attended in my life. Though right now, I feel like crap. I yelled more than somewhat at the game, and afterwards had to make sure my buddy (an actual Indians fan) was OK, and then got to bike home from the ballpark after the sprinkle of rain that you saw on TV turned into a steady pour. The weather, otherwise, was strangely perfect - partly cloudy, mid-sixties, no wind. Worth mentioning because Cleveland doesn't get that kind of weather in November. The Progressive Field scoreboard is the one we wish we had. No ads, giant screen, clear and informative - provides names and uni numbers of every player on the field, plus clear replays, an informative scoreboard, etc., etc. That wild pitch in the 5th that scored two runs...I only saw part of the field and had no idea what happened. I'll still have to try to find a replay of it to understand it. As was noted on the board, the Cubs defense was pretty bad. But they sure can hit. The Cubs fans were generally fine, despite the post I made during the game. There was a group in front of us acting kind of douchy but, to be fair, my friend egged them on (and I'll admit to yelling "Wait till next century" at them after the Rajai Davis home run). But good for the Cubs; they were the best team in the majors this year by any reasonable measure. Thanks, everyone, for indulging my brazen affair with the Indians. Looking forward to watching a Metly WS in 2017. Great report, totally jelly you got to see it. I too felt like the Indians really blew it with the stoopit picked-off-first thing, as mentioned above I think the stoopit out-adavancing-on-a-single thing in the 9th inning of Game 6 was also a big mistake. Still and all hats off to Cleveland for overcoming these calamities enough to make it a game till the very end; the Cubs sure didn;t play a perfect game either but they were the better squad.

Centerfield Nov 03 2016 02:20 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Yeah, hard to argue with that. They were the best team wire to wire. Won a thousand games, were clearly better than every team they matched up against in the post-season. Sometimes juggernauts like that don't win it all, but I guess we shouldn't be surprised when they do. Still annoying.

Frayed Knot Nov 03 2016 02:41 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

I don't seem to find the Cubs any more annoying than any winner not named the Mets, and certainly not as much as some here seem to. Maybe I'll get there eventually (particularly if this becomes an annual thing which some are acting as if already assured) but I don't now have a problem with them winning this. That said, a brief listen to 'Mike & Mike' this morning heard them praising the Cubs not just for their youth and talent and Maddon & Theo but for them being mostly 'home grown'. Let's see now: not Rizzo, not Ross, not Montero, not Lester, not Lackey, not Arrieta, not Fowler, not Heyward, not Chapman, not Strop, not Zobrist, and not Hendrix or Russell either if we're counting organization of origin and not just their first [u:nqzfqlvw]ML[/u:nqzfqlvw] team. Having said all that, I don't think it matters really, that there's some kind of right or wrong way to build a club, and their young core that really is home-grown -- Baez, Bryant, Contreras, Schwarber, Almora, Soler (although the jury is still very much out on several of those) -- are certainly a promising bunch. But it's ESPN so I'll give them a pass since this is the only week of the year they pay attention to baseball anyway. Forget it Jake, it's Bristol, Connecticut.

Vic Sage Nov 03 2016 02:53 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

the fact that the Yanks' run of titles was fueled by their "core four" didn't make them 1 drop more likeable. But i don't have a problem with the Cubs. Their success cements Theo's legacy, which i think is a good thing. He offers a blueprint (which the Mets have arduously ignored) of taking your lumps to build around a core of talented young position players (rather than pitchers, whose health and success are more unpredictable), where player evaluation is strongly driven by analytics, and then adding key pitchers and relievers via FA or via trade when the team is ready to win. Success is hard to achieve, and harder to maintain, but i like Theo's chances, given the youth of their roster and the resources of the organization. The Cubs may well be in the way of the Mets for the next decade, so there'll plenty of time to develop a hate for them. But i'm not there yet.

Edgy MD Nov 03 2016 03:08 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Up until 2016, the Mets had drafted position players first five consecutive years. I don't think it's true that they've ignored building a core of talent there. It's just that the pitching established itself first, for multiple reasons, some tying back to the previous administration, and some reflecting benevolent fortune.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 03 2016 03:16 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

I have to admit it, part of the reason I was rooting against the Cubs was a desire to share the feeling I experienced of seeing my favorite team absolutely shit the bed in a World Series they went into with a good chance to win. So when they won Game 5 I was really disappointed.

Frayed Knot Nov 03 2016 03:41 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

I look at it this way: the Mets were the last team to knock the Chicago out of the playoffs during a two year span where the Cubs won 200 regular season games plus another 15 in the post-season. Baseball Prospectus breaks down the managerial moves during Game 7

Vic Sage Nov 03 2016 03:41 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 03 2016 05:45 PM

Edgy MD wrote: Up until 2016, the Mets had drafted position players first five consecutive years. I don't think it's true that they've ignored building a core of talent there. It's just that the pitching established itself first, for multiple reasons, some tying back to the previous administration, and some reflecting benevolent fortune. point taken. I retract my unwarranted shot. And maybe Conforto, Nimmo, Smith, Cecchini and Rosario (along with Nido, Evans, Beccera and Lindsay)will be the building blocks for the Mets' future. But none of them are the sort of blue chip prospects that Bryant was, coming up, and i'm not confident in any of them.

Centerfield Nov 03 2016 04:26 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Vic Sage wrote: the fact that the Yanks' run of titles was fueled by their "core four" didn't make them 1 drop more likeable. But i don't have a problem with the Cubs. Their success cements Theo's legacy, which i think is a good thing. He offers a blueprint (which the Mets have arduously ignored) of taking your lumps to build around a core of talented young position players (rather than pitchers, whose health and success are more unpredictable), where player evaluation is strongly driven by analytics, and then adding key pitchers and relievers via FA or via trade when the team is ready to win. Success is hard to achieve, and harder to maintain, but i like Theo's chances, given the youth of their roster and the resources of the organization. The Cubs may well be in the way of the Mets for the next decade, so there'll plenty of time to develop a hate for them. But i'm not there yet. I don't know if I ever made that distinction in terms of position players versus pitchers. I'd have to go back and look at the Boston teams to see how they were put together. But I think unquestionably he has shown us the blueprint of building a core of young, talented, controllable players, then supplementing that core by spending lots of money and acquiring frontline talent via free agency/trade to create a window of excellence, and with a little luck, a World Champion. The Mets' plan, on the other hand, is to build a core of young, talented, controllable players, then spending just enough money to minimize public backlash, to acquire mid-level talent, to create a window of pretty-goodness, and with lots and lots of luck a World Champion. (Oh, and of course, we will sign superstar players just so long as they prefer to play here over anywhere else, and leave guaranteed money on the table to play for the Mets.)

Vic Sage Nov 03 2016 05:44 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

oh goody, the Wilpon bashing season has begun! It's my favorite time of year! Grab a stick and come on down! We're not re-signing Cespedes because Fred is a low-down, cheap-ass, corrupt snake-in-the-grass. Next!

Ashie62 Nov 03 2016 05:45 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

If the three pitchers don't come back and the FA's to be depart we may be back to square one.

Vic Sage Nov 03 2016 05:51 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

thanks for playing, Ash. Next!

Zvon Nov 03 2016 07:07 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

Frayed Knot wrote: I look at it this way: the Mets were the last team to knock the Chicago out of the playoffs during a two year span where the Cubs won 200 regular season games plus another 15 in the post-season. I expect the Cubs will be a force to be reckoned with the next batch of years, but as we all know, the Mets will pwn 'em. Every team has it's thorn. Very kool you got to see that live Chad. HahnSolo wrote: We can't have shitty umps in the showcase event of the sport. Name 6 great umps (active). I can't because the umps that suck stand out and make a name for themselves. The best umps who do their job correctly, you barely notice them, let alone learn their names.

Frayed Knot Nov 03 2016 07:56 PM Re: Cubs vs Indians I-WS-T

One thing I missed last night was how that Michael Martinez guy who wound up making the last out for Cleveland got into the game. He wasn't PH'ing but rather had been brought in an inning earlier in a defensive switch replacing Coco Crisp (Martinez went to RF, Guyer moved from RF to LF) right after Heyward stole 2nd then took 3rd on the over-throw [one out, tie game, top 9]. I assume Francona made that move for defensive purposes, probably on the idea that Crisp has a weak arm compared to either Martinez or Guyer and they were guarding against the Sac Fly with Baez at the plate (that's the AB where he wound up bunting the 3rd strike foul) ... but, Geez, wouldn't you have rather had Crisp up with your season on the line and the tying run on 1st than a career utility player with a sub-.200 career BA? In a series where the Indians OF didn't exactly distinguish themselves defensively or offensively (except, y'know, for the Rajai Davis HR) Crisp was maybe their best guy out there and went 4/12 w/2 doubles plus had a big HR in the previous series.