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Rock Hall nominations

Bad Brains

4 votes

Chaka Khan

4 votes

Chic

1 votes

Depeche Mode

5 votes

ELO

9 votes

The J. Geils Band

2 votes

Jane’s Addiction

4 votes

Janet Jackson

2 votes

Joan Baez

4 votes

Joe Tex

1 votes

Journey

4 votes

Kraftwerk

5 votes

MC5

3 votes

Pearl Jam

11 votes

Steppenwolf

1 votes

The Cars

12 votes

Zombies

4 votes

Tupac Shakur

3 votes

Yes

14 votes

Mets Guy in Michigan Oct 18 2016 01:51 PM Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Oct 18 2016 07:37 PM

The full list of nominees includes Bad Brains, Chaka Khan, Chic, Depeche Mode, ELO, the J. Geils Band, Jane’s Addiction, Janet Jackson, Joan Baez, Joe Tex, Journey, Kraftwerk, MC5, Pearl Jam, Steppenwolf, the Cars, Zombies, Tupac Shakur and Yes. Who do you think goes in? I tried to do a poll, but there were too many nominees.

Frayed Knot Oct 18 2016 01:55 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

I realize that I'm old and out of it -- and that it's questionable to what degree I was ever actually 'in it' even before I was old and totally out of it -- but I've never heard of BAD BRAINS much less am able to name anything they've ever done ever.

Fman99 Oct 18 2016 02:02 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

I can't begin to guess who will get in, because they make a lot of brainless selections. Having said that, the fact that this place exists without the Cars, ELO and Yes, but does include tons of pop and hip hop acts that are not rock and roll bands, makes it a joke to me.

Edgy MD Oct 18 2016 02:05 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

Frayed Knot wrote: I realize that I'm old and out of it -- and that it's questionable to what degree I was ever actually 'in it' even before I was old and totally out of it -- but I've never heard of BAD BRAINS much less am able to name anything they've ever done ever. I have more Bad Brains albums than anything on this list. Seminal DC hardcore/reggae crossover artists inspired amazingly inspired by Norman Vincent Peale. Great players whose career was sporadic due to health and jail problems, I think. It may not sound as good to you at 50 as it first did to me at 20, but buy I Against I and YOU WON'T REGRET IT. Fman99 wrote: I can't begin to guess who will get in, because they make a lot of brainless selections. Having said that, the fact that this place exists without the Cars, ELO and Yes, but does include tons of pop and hip hop acts that are not rock and roll bands, makes it a joke to me. Well, there you have it. All three are burning up this year's ballot. And extra bonus Cars material — Rik Ocasek produced several Bad Brains albums.

TransMonk Oct 18 2016 02:51 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

I too enjoy Bad Brains, but I'm not sure they are Hall worthy. I'd vote for Depeche Mode, Kraftwerk, Pearl Jam, The Cars and Yes.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 18 2016 03:10 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

Joe Jackson before Janet Jackson! Kraftwerk, it seems like we've discussed their candidacy before and I'd support them, since they;re robots. Pearl Jam, yeah sure The Cars, I think they deserve it: Hits up the wazoo, authentically fake (IOW, their stuff was extra polished and clean but that's how they were), same five members throughout, important bridge between 50s and 70s, klassik and new wave, rock and pop) Yes (great players, creative, had the hits eventually, points off for multiple personnel changes) I could make an argument that Journey was the middle ground between Yes and the Cars but I shant. I never much liked Depeche. ELO, JGB? I dunno. Small hall?

Edgy MD Oct 18 2016 03:32 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

We've got to pollaraize this. Going under the hood to expand the maximum number of poll options.

d'Kong76 Oct 18 2016 03:38 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

Tupac Shakur, I think I wore his cheap-ass cologne in college?

d'Kong76 Oct 18 2016 03:42 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 18 2016 03:43 PM

ELO, Journey, Pearl Jam, Yes... I'd vote for a couple of the others but five is the limit.

Edgy MD Oct 18 2016 03:43 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

That is but four.

d'Kong76 Oct 18 2016 03:43 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

Oops, I also voted for The Cars.

sharpie Oct 18 2016 04:36 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

Depeche Mode, Kraftwerk, Tupac, Yes, Zombies. Yes is the only regular choice I made. Pearl Jam and the Cars will make it but they don't need my vote.

d'Kong76 Oct 18 2016 04:41 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

What they really need to do is change the name of the place to something more accurate than the r n r hof.

Gwreck Oct 18 2016 09:44 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

I don't approve of always having to put 5 artists in each year. I would vote for these: Depeche Mode Janet Jackson Pearl Jam Tupac Shakur Yes

Edgy MD Oct 18 2016 11:23 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

That's five acts I didn't pick: Bad Brains Chaka Khan ELO The J. Giels Band The Cars

MFS62 Oct 18 2016 11:29 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

Not a lot of love for Journey? Later

RealityChuck Oct 19 2016 12:10 AM Re: Rock Hall nominations

I went with The J. Geils Band -- a kick-ass band and terrific live act Joan Baez -- Not really rock, but her importance is undeniable Steppenwolf -- Any group that invents the term "heavy metal" deserves it. Zombies -- Loved their minor key songs. Yes -- Prog rock giants. Bad Brains -- don't know them Chaka Khan -- too minor a figure Chic -- not even good disco Depeche Mode -- forgetable ELO -- just missed my cut. I wouldn't object if they got in. Jane’s Addiction -- don't know them well Janet Jackson -- no. just no. Joe Tex -- as a country artist, sure. Not in the rock hall Journey -- too bland Kraftwerk -- meh MC5 -- a possibility. Important, but their career was too short Pearl Jam -- a reasonable choice, but I don't care for them the Cars -- Make Journey seem exciting Tupac Shakur -- he's a lock, but I don't know his music, so didn't vote for him.

d'Kong76 Oct 19 2016 12:18 AM Re: Rock Hall nominations

Every year I tell myself I will ignore this whole thing, maybe next year.

Ashie62 Oct 19 2016 12:30 AM Re: Rock Hall nominations

Bad Brains. MC5 ELO Yes

Edgy MD Oct 19 2016 02:22 AM Re: Rock Hall nominations

RealityChuck wrote: Joe Tex -- as a country artist, sure. Not in the rock hall Joe Tex? Country? Nuh-uh. [youtube]CrI3Jgys1KU[/youtube]

Vic Sage Oct 21 2016 05:45 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

RealityChuck wrote: I went with The J. Geils Band -- a kick-ass band and terrific live act Joan Baez -- Not really rock, but her importance is undeniable Steppenwolf -- Any group that invents the term "heavy metal" deserves it. Zombies -- Loved their minor key songs. Yes -- Prog rock giants. i was close to Chuck's list, except: No to Baez (it's not the folk music HOF) and yes to The Cars, whose sound dominated their era; AND I like JGeils, but Pearl Jam was a more significant band in the history of RnR.

batmagadanleadoff Oct 21 2016 07:09 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

RealityChuck wrote: I went with The J. Geils Band -- a kick-ass band and terrific live act I don't have a good feel for where this J. Geils live album (below) stands in pop rock culture. Is it under the radar? Well known by even casual pop/rock fans? What? I don't know. But it's one of the best live albums I ever listened to. [fimg=333]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_FvFnRX_Gqu0/TDRJqyJX2sI/AAAAAAAAAro/dcfqh0Am2Kc/s1600/JGeilsBand_FullHouse_Front+Sleeve.jpg[/fimg]

Edgy MD Oct 21 2016 07:44 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

Significant, shmignificant. J. Giels Band > Pearl Jam

Vic Sage Oct 21 2016 07:55 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

Artists become eligible for induction 25 years after the release of their first record. Criteria include the influence and significance of the artists' contributions to the development and perpetuation of rock and roll. While Nirvana had brought grunge to the mainstream in the early 1990s with Nevermind, Pearl Jam's debut Ten outsold it in the United States, and the band became "the most popular American rock & roll band of the '90s" according to AllMusic. Pearl Jam has been described as "modern rock radio's most influential stylists – the workmanlike midtempo chug of songs like "Alive" and "Even Flow" just melodic enough to get moshers singing along." The band inspired and influenced a number of bands, ranging from Silverchair to Puddle of Mudd and The Strokes. The band has also been credited for inspiring the indie rock scene of 90s-era urban Pakistan, that has since evolved into a rich rock music culture in the country. Pearl Jam has been praised for its rejection of rock star excess and its insistence on backing causes it believes in. Music critic Jim DeRogatis said in the aftermath of the band's battle with Ticketmaster that it "proved that a rock band which isn't comprised of greed heads can play stadiums and not milk the audience for every last dime... it indicated that idealism in rock 'n' roll is not the sole province of those '60s bands enshrined in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame." Eric Weisbard of Spin said in 2001, "The group that was once accused of being synthetic grunge now seem as organic and principled a rock band as exists." In a 2005 USA Today reader's poll, Pearl Jam was voted the greatest American rock band of all time. In April 2006, Pearl Jam was awarded the prize for "Best Live Act" in Esquire's Esky Music Awards. The blurb called Pearl Jam "the rare superstars who still play as though each show could be their last." Pearl Jam's fanbase following has been compared to that of the Grateful Dead's, with Rolling Stone magazine stating that Pearl Jam "toured incessantly and became one of rock's great arena acts, attracting a fanatical, Grateful Dead-like cult following with marathon, true-believer shows in the vanishing spirit of Bruce Springsteen, the Who and U2."

batmagadanleadoff Oct 21 2016 07:59 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

Yeah, but who made more appearances on the Joe Franklin Show? [youtube]bUB979ItZr0[/youtube]

Edgy MD Oct 21 2016 08:02 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

Pearl Jam was a great big bore. Being significant in the 90s is hardly a good thing. The decade was a musical disaster that popular culture has yet to recover from. Pearl Jam picked up the mantle of Nirvana, wrapped themselves in it, and set a new, miserable endurance record for posing. A strong an considered opinion from you (and you and you) is better than a casual review of the consensus. Anybody can do that. But the consensus is dead wrong often enough. Pearl Jam was, at best, a phenomenon of good market positioning.

Vic Sage Oct 21 2016 08:09 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

I like the J.Geils band. They were a fun, party band in the 70s-80s.... there have been a lot of fun party bands and, yes, they were another one. With exactly one #1 single ("Centerfold") and album (Freeze Frame) to their credit over their nearly 20 year history, and a hit comedy song ("Love Stinks"), they have virtually no musical significance whatsoever. They are no more a HOF-worthy band than Southside Johnny, or the Good Rats, both of whom i have enjoyed also. I do not care for the Seattle Grunge sound. I didn't like Nirvana, much less Pearl Jam, but neither my personal tastes nor yours define what is historically significant and influential in the development of rock and roll. I feel like we've been having this same argument for over a decade. I think we have, actually.

Edgy MD Oct 21 2016 08:26 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

Yes, my tastes define what is significant. As do yours. This is why we poll, we poll. This is why we poll.

Rockin' Doc Oct 21 2016 11:26 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

Cars, ELO, and Yes.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 22 2016 12:31 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

I gotta say, my opinion of Pearl Jam is that they are significant for the CW of their story (they had integrity, showed the way for rock bands on the scorched earth of the post-Grunge/Napster world, tend not to chase trends or singles, and have a very distinctive singer who himself is a rock fan). They have fans whose tastes I tend to admire, like some of you here. But I never listen to 'em. Never came close to acquiring a PJ album.

Edgy MD Oct 22 2016 05:57 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

I first place, named on 11 of our 13 or 14 ballots, are progressive rock champs YES: [youtube:3dfnxoeb]CaxIlpQYy1s[/youtube:3dfnxoeb] I assume if they get inducted, it's just their five-man lineup from the seventies and Trevor Horn eats it. But sheesh, you want influential, that dude is it.

Zvon Oct 22 2016 06:49 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

Trevor seemed to be involved in so much of what I liked musically during the 80's (check out that Wiki link). I saw Yes live with both Buggles boys. I didn't think Yes could be Yes w/o Jon Anderson. But they were just as good and on the way to one of the bands highest musical peaks. I never knew about the loss of Horn's wife, which couldn't have been a more tragic situation. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trevor_Horn

Frayed Knot Oct 22 2016 07:01 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

Actually, for the first time with this year's ballot, the R&R-HoF has made public in advance which members of each band would be eligible for induction. The ballot for Yes includes drummer Alan White, current guitarist Steve Howe, late bassist Chris Squire and (non-current) members Jon Anderson (vocals), Bill Bruford (drums), Tony Kaye (keyboards), Rick Wakeman (keyboards) and Trevor Rabin (guitar). So, yeah, Trevor Horn eats it although the Wiki-page for YES lists him as a member for one year only so he probably doesn't have a beef. Either that or the committee decided that one Trevor at a time was enough.

Edgy MD Oct 22 2016 08:15 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

Yeah, he was the producer and a quasi-member for a number of years.

Frayed Knot Oct 23 2016 02:25 AM Re: Rock Hall nominations

Edgy MD wrote: Yeah, he was the producer and a quasi-member for a number of years. Sounds like that makes him the equivalent of the bench coach who gets put on the active roster during an injury crises, but then is quickly back to holding a clipboard. Sorry, no HoF for you!

Fman99 Oct 23 2016 02:59 AM Re: Rock Hall nominations

Voted for Yes, Jane's Addiction, ELO, Journey, and the Cars, based on personal preference and significance to me personally.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 23 2016 04:07 AM Re: Rock Hall nominations

Edgy MD wrote: Pearl Jam was a great big bore. Being significant in the 90s is hardly a good thing. The decade was a musical disaster that popular culture has yet to recover from. "Ahem." -Hip-hop, dance music, and basically anything that isn't guitar-centered rock

Edgy MD Oct 23 2016 12:54 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

All that existed beforehand. But rock became grunge, hip-hop become gangster rap, soul became R&B (a strange designation wholly unconnected rhythm and blues), country became a hateful exercise of brand massaging and payola. Basically every existing genre adopted was infused with pretentious anti-social elements disguised as social commentary. Culture grew more fragmented, with genres prospering in their silos, but stamping themselves with contempt for the crossover mainstream. Almost everybody was revolting against a mainstream that was an utterly dead target, but propped up as an enemy for everybody to beat on against nonetheless. The top 40 went from a meeting ground to a battle ground, with hip-hop stars and executives literally gunned down inside and outside their studios, grunge vocalist after grunt vocalist self-destructing on heroin before the public eye. Everything was counter-cultural. Everything was alternative. Never has so much celebrity death been so much boring. Because rather than it standing beside the guy's art as a monument of tragedy, it became a cliched part of the art, a part of the game, the formulaic act three in the VH-1 documentary. The 90s: Life was cheap, talent was cheaper, and music was archly and indifferently cool but utterly joyless. Now see how it's really done. In second place with nine votes, is our next guest who have been named one of the best American rock groups of the year. Live audiences love them and the critics are already comparing their work to Queen and David Bowie. From the Back Bay of Boston, here are The Cars! Ts[youtube:36l2qhos]TsPh-EgH65M[/youtube:36l2qhos]

A Boy Named Seo Oct 23 2016 04:30 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

I think a fair segment of people checked out on Pearl Jam after Ten. The early Pearl Jam bio will always relate them to Nirvana, and at the time I thought Nirvana was more punk, and a more authentic ambassador to the scene both bands were handcuffed to. I re-engaged with them after the great No Code and Yield albums, and while a Pearl Jam album will never make me go 'holy shit!' the way OK Computer did around the same time, I've always found they were great at channeling their musical idols (The Who, Neil Young, Springsteen) without ever being overt, and crafted a lot of super big rock songs that were destined for decades of nauseating repeat on classic rock radio stations. Raise your hand if you're cool never hearing "Jeremy", "Alive", or "Even Flow" ever again? /raises hand Tacking onto what JCL said about them not chasing trends, I've long respected that they wore their causes on their sleeve, at the risk of pissing off fans and their wallets. I saw Pearl Jam in 1995 with Bad Religion, almost 5 hours away from the nearest Ticketmaster venue. It was a huge pain for everyone involved, but I liked them trying to fight this thing, even though they got their asses kicked in the end. They ignored MTV and self-promotion, and wrote "This is Not For You" as a kiss-off to the fans they didn't want, which ironically earned them shitloads more fans. Beyond that, I've always dug how rabidly they've participated in get-out-the-vote initiatives, supporting environmental issues, women's rights, and LGBT rights, etc., etc., even recently canceling a show in NC in protest of the "bathroom bill". They beat the shit out of GW Bush relentlessly, chasing away lots of "fans" who wanted them to just shut up and play "Jeremy". They put their principles before their popularity and ended up with both. None of this may speak to their R&R HOF qualifications, but the # of albums they sold isn't why they're my #1 musical comfort food. Fan Boi out. PS - Depeche Mode, the Cars, the Zombies, and Baez.

Edgy MD Oct 23 2016 04:45 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

I applaud (and applauded) Pearl Jam's taking on the ticket mafia, but I'm not sure where they ignored MTV and self-promotion. They made high-budget vids and did MTV Unplugged and jumped all over wrapping themselves in Neil Young revivalism. Their attacks on Bush and Bushism almost certainly gained them more fans than they lost and revealed how terrible and cliched their songwriting could be when they were forced to write about something specific and not vague disaffectedness. The causes they stood for were generally causes that already polled high in their demographic anyhow. That's why I salute the Ticketmaster Wars. That's certainly one time they really bit the hand that fed them. HEY! In third place with eight votes is ... the legendary PEARL JAM! [youtube]5i6fCGkFYa0[/youtube]

Frayed Knot Oct 23 2016 04:56 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

Edgy MD wrote: Culture grew more fragmented, with genres prospering in their silos, but stamping themselves with contempt for the crossover mainstream. Are we still on music here or is this from one of the politics threads?

Edgy MD Oct 23 2016 04:59 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

Pat Zachary!

TransMonk Oct 24 2016 03:08 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

I didn't check out after Ten, but I did check out after Yield in 1998 and would find it hard to name any of their albums or songs since then. Looking at even their current live set lists, PJ themselves still heavily lean on those first five releases.

G-Fafif Oct 24 2016 03:32 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

Joe Tex is country in the sense that he had the whole country moving to this one. [youtube:rh48aujx]0qT4zTv_vVY[/youtube:rh48aujx]

Ashie62 Oct 25 2016 12:34 AM Re: Rock Hall nominations

Never listened to Pearl Jam. Nirvana sounded more like the real deal, but thats me.

Edgy MD Oct 25 2016 12:44 AM Re: Rock Hall nominations

It's me too. Really happy to be back and in fourth place with eight units off what you Earth creatures call "votes," along with "the first time a laser beam show has been used on TV," it's The Electric Light Orchestra" [youtube:qvcgaq3n]-1iWA2lM86k[/youtube:qvcgaq3n]

MFS62 Oct 27 2016 01:44 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

A review of the nominees from the Observer. A good read. http://observer.com/2016/10/the-2017-ro ... -to-music/ One of the many good passages: Remember that moment in the flat yellow hallway of your suburban high school when it seemed like the future would never come, when it seemed that your lips would never find a kiss, when you would stare at your reflection in the giant window panes by the gym and you would see exactly the moon-shaped, un-kissable face you assumed everyone else saw? Then you heard the Kinks, or you heard the Mumps, or you heard Mott the Hoople, or you heard the tube-heated tones of a late-night DJ playing “Dark Star”, and you knew that behind the gamelan clangs of the blue green lockers, outside of the tall red brick walls, past that row of shrieking buses, beyond the anonymous whirr of the Long Island Expressway, somewhere beyond Bayside and Little Neck and even Jamaica, there might be a place where misfits like you would find love. Rock ’n roll loved me before anyone else did, didn’t it love you before anyone else did, too? That’s why it’s important to tell its story in the right way. Later

Edgy MD Oct 27 2016 03:30 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

A big dropoff between our fourth- and fifth-place acts, where there is a tie, including minor key synth legends Depeche Mode, shown here live in the City of Counts: [youtube:3l9v3ev1]aRWqhFGYFaQ[/youtube:3l9v3ev1]

TransMonk Oct 27 2016 04:00 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

I saw Depeche Mode live on that tour above (I won tickets during a radio station giveaway). I had not been a fan and was only going because the tickets were free. Their show was one of the most pleasantly surprising concerts I have ever been to. They were energetic, played live instruments (which, in my mind, made them sound much more "rock 'n' roll" than their recorded music, which I always considered synth and electronic beat driven) and I found I knew more songs than I thought I would. Reach out and touch faith.

d'Kong76 Oct 27 2016 04:14 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

A Boy Named Seo wrote: I think a fair segment of people checked out on Pearl Jam after Ten. Only album I have and haven't listened to it in well over ten years.

Mets Guy in Michigan Oct 27 2016 04:50 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

I respect Pearl Jam, but I never got into them. My best friend loves them. I have the Greatest Hits CD, and really tried to get into it, because I figured I was missing something. But it just never clicked. I like "Alive," and "Life Wasted." A lot of their stuff sounds kind of angry and depressed. (To bounce off Seo, I'd rather hear someone sing about why they support something rather than tear apart George W. Bush. Just a positive vs. negative thing. Give me a happy ending, darn it! I like "The Natural" movie instead of the book.) I thought the album with Neil Young was disappointing. I thought it was cool that they issued live CDs for every show on the tour. Now, The Cars, I really like. They were my second-ever concert. I bought a t-shirt at the show with the Candy-O cover on it and thought I was bad ass.

TransMonk Oct 27 2016 06:05 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

I think Pearl Jam's influence on the industry transcends their music in some ways. Their challenges against the major-label machine and Ticketmaster, as well as their staying power, gives them first-ballot cred in my book. From a musical point of view, I believe Ten has outsold Nevermind in the US and exponentially more bands in the mid-late 90s sounded like Pearl Jam than Nirvana (or any of the other original grunge outfits). IMO, the R&RHOF was made for bands like Pearl Jam.

Edgy MD Oct 27 2016 06:33 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

... and exponentially more bands in the mid-late 90s sounded like Pearl Jam than Nirvana (or any of the other original grunge outfits). Yeah, but ... in a good way? Reading back, Vic offers this criterion: Artists become eligible for induction 25 years after the release of their first record. Criteria include the influence and significance of the artists' contributions to the development and perpetuation of rock and roll. And then this quote from a praising career summary claiming, The band inspired and influenced a number of bands, ranging from Silverchair to Puddle of Mudd and The Strokes. That's a legacy? The Byrds inspired the nearly 38-year-and-counting triumphant career of Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers. They inspired the resounding career of REM. Matthew Sweet, the Replacements, the Jayhawks, and Wilco. They inspired something better than themselves. Certainly longer lasting and further reaching. That's contributing the development and perpetuation of rock and roll. And Pearl Jam inspired the likes of Puddle of Mudd? I mean, you can do worse, certainly, but the last I heard of the most recent lineup of PoM, they were literally getting booed offstage. That's not contributing the development and perpetuation of rock and roll, but its diminishment and marginalization. They've lasted for a long time and they're something of a colossus, so I'm sure their induction is a fait accompli, but I certainly don't think it helps the dying legacy of rock 'n' roll to hold them up as a shining paragon. I mean, seemingly everybody here, whether they voted for the band or not, acknowledges that they don't listen to them.

TransMonk Oct 27 2016 09:01 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

Yup, Puddle of Mudd sucks...you won't get an argument from me. That praising career summary is from 2003...I'd probably replace them with Kings of Leon now. However, I remember that first Strokes album making some best of the decade lists for the aughts, so that's not nothing. Artists become eligible for induction 25 years after the release of their first record. Criteria include the influence and significance of the artists' contributions to the development and perpetuation of rock and roll. PJ has been influential. I saw hundreds of bar bands between 1995-2005 and A LOT of them were trying to sound like PJ. And that's not counting the Candleboxes and the Stone Temple Pilots and the Creeds and the Seven Mary Threes and the Tonics and the Everclears and the Collective Souls. I'm not here to defend whether those bands stood the test of time...I'd squarely say that they didn't. But those ten years were filled with bands that were influenced by Pearl Jam. The span of years was what it was....one of the worst for R 'n' R, IMO. But we can't pretend it didn't exist. By the criteria quoted, PJ had influence and did help develop and perpetuate rock and roll over that span. The criteria doesn't mention whether greatness has to come out of the asshole of those influenced. All that aside, I still feel that Pearl Jam's influence on the music industry in general is as big (if not bigger) than their sound...or whether people still listen to them. And, again, Puddle of Mudd sucks.

Edgy MD Oct 27 2016 09:21 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

Poor Puddle of Mudd. They're totally going to get Hubie Brooksed when their nomination time comes around.

Mets Guy in Michigan Oct 27 2016 09:21 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

I think a problem with debating Hall credentials is that the Hall has been so incredibly inconsistent in applying them. There's the "significance of the artists' contributions to the development and perpetuation of rock and roll" line, but Dusty Springfield is in there. There are a lot of bands that I'm not sure are especially influential, but, like Gaylord Perry and Tony Perez, were popular and producing quality music and selling tickets over a long period of time. (But there are other bands that meet that bar and are not welcome.) I don't have a problem with Pearl Jam. It was the biggest band in the land for a while. I didn't connect with them, but then again, I have every Kiss and Twisted Sister album, so there's that. No Puddle of Mudd, though.

Edgy MD Oct 27 2016 09:27 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

And sprechen of influential, there's probably no Depeche Mode without Kraftwerk. [youtube:3mkt28b8]NrvnqkGC2q4[/youtube:3mkt28b8] [youtube:3mkt28b8]y_Pt76Fm20Q[/youtube:3mkt28b8]

TransMonk Oct 27 2016 10:34 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

Frayed Knot wrote: Actually, for the first time with this year's ballot, the R&R-HoF has made public in advance which members of each band would be eligible for induction. The ballot for Yes includes drummer Alan White, current guitarist Steve Howe, late bassist Chris Squire and (non-current) members Jon Anderson (vocals), Bill Bruford (drums), Tony Kaye (keyboards), Rick Wakeman (keyboards) and Trevor Rabin (guitar). So, yeah, Trevor Horn eats it although the Wiki-page for YES lists him as a member for one year only so he probably doesn't have a beef. Either that or the committee decided that one Trevor at a time was enough. Man, I had forgotten how much I loved Yes in high school. In fact, if both Yes and Pearl Jam get in this year, I should pay better attention to the ceremony because I'd guess that I spent more total hours listening to those two bands in high school than any other two acts combined. I got into every version of Yes from the prog-rock 70s to the big hair 80s. I saw the eight members on the ballot all on stage together in 1990 as part of their Union tour. Trevor Horn only sang on one album...but I still dig it. His lead vocals combined with Chris Squire's give off a very Sting-y vibe. [youtube]zNs9fiEJIr4[/youtube]

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 28 2016 12:38 AM Re: Rock Hall nominations

That's a killer song. I think Edgy once said he could picture Molly Ringwald dancing to it.

Ashie62 Oct 28 2016 05:39 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

Edgy MD wrote: It's me too. Really happy to be back and in fourth place with eight units off what you Earth creatures call "votes," along with "the first time a laser beam show has been used on TV," it's The Electric Light Orchestra" [youtube]-1iWA2lM86k[/youtube] Love this version, my favorite ELO tune. I always thought ELO was one of the first to make good use of the MIDI digital technology that came around circa 1982.

Edgy MD Oct 29 2016 01:10 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

Bad Brains' live footage is a mixed bag. Lets' start with this compilation of live footage poorly synched with the outstanding album track "Let Me Help": [youtube:juee8gm8]ArjBIr9xI1s[/youtube:juee8gm8]

Edgy MD Oct 30 2016 08:34 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

You guys who prefer good brains to Bad Brains don't know what you're missing. Anyhow, if you voted for Chaka, who is tied with the BBs with her four votes, I just want to say, "Namaste." [youtube:2vqh0n7e]gNuyObKF42Q[/youtube:2vqh0n7e]

Edgy MD Nov 01 2016 12:25 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

Come with us, back to those thrilling days of yesteryear, a time when nobody on MTV was allowed to wear a shirt. With four votes, Jane's Addiction, ladies and gentlemen. [youtube:1377y2lt]43iW8oB20Ps[/youtube:1377y2lt]

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 01 2016 12:53 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

eff Jane's Addiction. What was their cultural contribution? Making funk music on or about heroin cool? When was the last time anyone played one of their elpee's on purpose?

Frayed Knot Nov 01 2016 12:57 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

I'm pretty sure I was both alive and conscious during the time Jane's Addiction was active, popular, and maybe even relevant, but I was neither eye nor ear witness to any of it.

Edgy MD Nov 01 2016 01:22 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: eff Jane's Addiction. What was their cultural contribution? Making funk music on or about heroin cool? Why choose? They did both! Yeah, I'll agree with that all day long.

Fman99 Nov 01 2016 02:59 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

In 1989, when they broke, they were swimming against the tide, the tail end of the shitty hairspray metal of the 1980s. They were cool, and different, and heavy, a good two years before anyone outside of the Pacific Northwest knew anything about Nirvana and their cohorts. They were a high energy act and we played the hell out of those albums.

Edgy MD Nov 01 2016 03:30 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: What was their cultural contribution? Merging the rock festival with self-mutilation, pagan orgies, and freak shows for slumming, wealthy, disaffected whities. They put the LOL in Lollapalooza! [fimg=500]https://az616578.vo.msecnd.net/files/responsive/embedded/any/desktop/2016/04/24/635970738067983116207144133_635970738064342580-1318048039_10338657_10153413048320849_2627391966454733815_o.jpg[/fimg] [youtube]TOgUiPYVssI[/youtube]

G-Fafif Nov 02 2016 02:32 AM Re: Rock Hall nominations

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: eff Jane's Addiction. What was their cultural contribution? Asks someone with connections to the anti-shoplifting lobby.

Edgy MD Nov 02 2016 03:32 AM Re: Rock Hall nominations

Maybe she's not there, but they're here! Check out the affected vocalizing of the band that completes our three-way tie for fifth-place ... THE ZOMBIES! [youtube:q9gc6fda]M8BkkFJI910[/youtube:q9gc6fda] Is that guy a Rowan Atkinson character or what?

Frayed Knot Dec 20 2016 02:09 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

And the envelope says ... Journey, Joan Baez, ELO, Tupac Shakur, Pearl Jam, YES The other 13 contestants get a lifetime supply of Rice-a-Roni (the San Francisco treat) plus a copy of the R&RHoF home game.

Edgy MD Dec 20 2016 02:33 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

Well, that's an odd class. Kinda clashes with our room's top picks too. As we had Cars, Pearl Jam, ELO, and then everybody else. There's definitely an identity crisis going on.

MFS62 Dec 20 2016 02:46 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

Well, I got the first three. Later

sharpie Dec 20 2016 02:54 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

Six artists who would never share a stage with each other.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 20 2016 04:56 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

I was barely aware of this before all these Trivia Kwizzes, but neither Todd Rundgren nor Warren Zevon are RnRHoF members. Have either been nominated? wtf?

Edgy MD Dec 20 2016 05:56 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

No, neither has ever been nominated. In many ways, the real travesties are taking place at the nominating stage.

Mets Willets Point Dec 20 2016 06:51 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

Tim Raines and Dwayne Johnson should be shoe-ins for The Rock Hall of Fame.

Frayed Knot Dec 20 2016 06:59 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

Mets Willets Point wrote: Tim Raines and Dwayne Johnson should be shoe-ins for The Rock Hall of Fame. Bah-Dum-Ching! Actually, considering what a broad definition of 'Rock' they're using these days (Laura Nyro, Tupac, NWA, Joan Baez, etc.) those two might be as good as many of the candidates.

Frayed Knot Dec 20 2016 07:43 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

Edgy MD wrote: No, neither has ever been nominated. In many ways, the real travesties are taking place at the nominating stage. Especially considering Laura Nyro's induction a few years back. Born the same year (1947) Zevon, like Nyro, had more early success by having his writing covered by others and with each having a seemingly large contingent of support within the industry to offset any lack of record sales. But then while she was pretty much getting out of the game by age 24 or so (drifting back in and out intermittently after that) his long recording and performing career was just getting started. Neither one was known for busting the hit charts with each release or were all that easy to categorize -- the latter quite possibly being part of the cause of the former -- but his certainly wound up as the larger catalog and the longer career and one can't even use the excuse that at least she had the career boosting foresight to die young because they both did (she at 49, he at 56). Plus, not that I'm arguing against Nyro, but he certainly fits the definition of R&R a lot better. You hate to go to the 'If A then B' logic of HoF qualifications but in a comparison of the two it's tough to figure how she comes out ahead and particularly with the gap of induction vs not even nominated. I think there may have been an element of pro-feminism behind Nyro's backers but it's not like they've been reluctant to recognize women in the past to the point where she was some kind of 'make good' case.

Edgy MD Dec 21 2016 02:29 AM Re: Rock Hall nominations

My friend Dave has been Joan Baez's guitarist on and off the last 15 years. He may get to play the biggest show of his life.

Frayed Knot Dec 21 2016 04:53 AM Re: Rock Hall nominations

Edgy MD wrote: My friend Dave has been Joan Baez's guitarist on and off the last 15 years. He may get to play the biggest show of his life. Maybe. The awards ceremony/big show usually has Paul Schaefer's crew as the house band backing most of the acts - although it's not like Joanie's stuff typically requires a whole ton of instrumentation behind it so maybe 'The World's Most Dangerous Band' will get that set off.

Fman99 Dec 21 2016 02:44 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

ELO and Yes have been major oversights to me, so, kudos to them for figuring out the thing that music fans have known since the 1970s.

Ashie62 Dec 21 2016 03:10 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I was barely aware of this before all these Trivia Kwizzes, but neither Todd Rundgren nor Warren Zevon are RnRHoF members. Have either been nominated? wtf? Todd Rundgren is not a big fan of the hall. [url]http://wncx.cbslocal.com/2014/04/01/todd-rundgren-explains-why-he-isnt-a-fan-of-the-rock-hall/

Edgy MD Dec 22 2016 02:35 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

I tend to think that, if The Cars hadn't inexplicably played "Heartbeat City" at Live Aid, they'd be in by now.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 22 2016 02:57 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

Ashie62 wrote: John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I was barely aware of this before all these Trivia Kwizzes, but neither Todd Rundgren nor Warren Zevon are RnRHoF members. Have either been nominated? wtf? Todd Rundgren is not a big fan of the hall. [url]http://wncx.cbslocal.com/2014/04/01/todd-rundgren-explains-why-he-isnt-a-fan-of-the-rock-hall/ eh, that's one of those "What would you expect him to say" type quotes to me. My impression is there is some feeling among the rock "community" that Rundgren wasted his gifts, stubbornly refusing to do another "Something/Anything" and purposefully challenging the establishment to reassess him with every effort, and this attititide is part of that. Most accounts suggest he's a bit snotty and self-absorbed, and much of his stuff doesn't come off as sincere. Ironically it suggests that the premier performer/producer in the the era himself needed a producer. He also didn't make nice with the right people, picking fights with Lennon, Andy Partridge of XTC and others. None of this should by itself disqualify him as his credentials are obvious in spite of all that.

Edgy MD Dec 22 2016 03:09 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

I don't know how serious they are about inducting people on production credits alone, but he should be inducted on production credits alone. Even with his extended meowfest with Andy Partridge, they made a great album together. Like, wall-to-wall great. Like, Beatles great. [youtube:13rxm1ae]85J91FwPrTw[/youtube:13rxm1ae]

John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 22 2016 03:27 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 22 2016 04:00 PM

Is that a... a vaj? I wrote a little about Skylarking in the review on the Rundgren book I read -- recommended: Interesting look at TR, provides a side of the music biz you don't often read about, and gets you to consider the collection of obscure and great albums he produced. http://desertislandmixtape.blogspot.com ... -ring.html His issues with Partridge are multilayered. 1- He was hired by the label, not chosen by them, to produce. 2- It was TR's call as to the songs they'd record for the album, and he chose many more by Moulding than by Partridge than was typical, and sort of muscled Patrtridge out of the unofficial co-producer role he served on most of their work until them. Rundgren also chose a running order for the songs, envisioning it as a "story" Partridge didn't share. He had an alternate title for the album they didn;t use, I can't remember it now. 3- They were offput by Rundgren's insistence that they record songs in the order they'd appear on the record and found his "budget" practices weird (TR among other things was very efficient with how much tape he'd use, etc.) That as one reason labels liked working with him. 4- TR supposedly rushed the mixing part (this charge was repeatedly leveled against him by a variety of artists) and he hated to do anything twice but he did at Partridge's insistence. 5- That the album was so well received and spawned a hit I think put Partridge's ego at stake and allowed him to take ownership by saying "he" was responsible by saving the disputed mix.

Ashie62 Dec 22 2016 03:42 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

Yes, from the original artwork. It was not on the album released by Virgin records as some large chain retailers would not stock it as such.

Edgy MD Dec 22 2016 03:48 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

Skylarking spawned a hit, but amazingly, a non-album track that was quickly shoehorned onto later pressings after it was released as a b-side to the single and radio programmers chose it instead. You can sense why it was left off, because it didn't fit within the album's concept. I still say that it's Beatle-good, with or without "Dear God" (and I kind of prefer it without). Don't know where that alternative cover art comes from. Here's the Skylarking I know and lurv. [fimg=450]http://www.thegeekedgods.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/XTC-Skylarking.jpg[/fimg] The bookplate inset kind of predicts the great Jacobean artwork for Nonesuch.

Ashie62 Dec 22 2016 04:56 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

A double sided vinyl reissue of Skylarking includes the original banned art inspired by Lady Chatterly's lover. Or so it says.. [url]http://www.slicingupeyeballs.com/2010/10/10/xtc-skylarking-reissue-banned-cover-art/

John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 22 2016 09:05 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

Edgy MD wrote: Skylarking spawned a hit, but amazingly, a non-album track that was quickly shoehorned onto later pressings after it was released as a b-side to the single and radio programmers chose it instead. You can sense why it was left off, because it didn't fit within the album's concept. I still say that it's Beatle-good, with or without "Dear God" (and I kind of prefer it without). Don't know where that alternative cover art comes from. Here's the Skylarking I know and lurv. [fimg=450]http://www.thegeekedgods.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/XTC-Skylarking.jpg[/fimg] The bookplate inset kind of predicts the great Jacobean artwork for Nonesuch. Yeah I'm crazy about Earn Enough for Us. So Beatly

smg58 Dec 23 2016 02:15 AM Re: Rock Hall nominations

I got a best of by Steppenwolf not all that long ago. There was plenty of essential rock and roll beyond the hits everyone knows; "The Ostrich" and "Take What You Need" still hit their mark. I think they belong, but I think I'll be in the minority. Pearl Jam belongs. With big followings among classic rock, new wave, and 80s top 40 audiences, I'm really surprised The Cars still need to be discussed. I'm also surprised Chic still needs to be discussed, given how influential they were. The Hall has acknowledged prog very begrudgingly, so Yes is no guarantee. I'd argue that Journey's music has aged poorly, but I appear to be in the minority there too. ELO... I like them, but do I like them? I'd be happy for Jeff Lynne if they get in, but I'd get over it if they don't.

Edgy MD Dec 23 2016 02:31 AM Re: Rock Hall nominations

I'd argue that Journey's music has aged poorly, but I appear to be in the minority there too. "Don't Stop Believin'" failed to chart in the UK upon it's initial release, but reached #6 there when re-released in the UK in 2009. In iTunes, rankings, last I heard, it was the all-time download leader of any 20th Century song. Their 2008 tour put them in the top 20 grossing acts that year. They've returned to the album charts and their global audience has vastly expanded. Plus, I've grown to begrudge them, and in my younger days, I couldn't abide them or anybody who liked them. I can't imagine the years being kinder to any other act. Could you imagine Springsteen stooping to cover them in 1985?

Ashie62 Dec 23 2016 02:41 AM Re: Rock Hall nominations

Journey songs tend to make me want to vomit.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 23 2016 05:01 AM Re: Rock Hall nominations

I've come as far on the Journey journey to appreciate Perry's peak-era pipes for the glorious thing it was, and to admit to myself "Stone in Love" actually rocks. I was virulently against them when they were hot and embarrassed for my peers who voted "Faithfully" to be my class prom theme. That Cain-Perry thing I thought was too cheesy then and too cheesy today.

batmagadanleadoff Dec 23 2016 07:46 AM Re: Rock Hall nominations

smg58 wrote: I got a best of by Steppenwolf not all that long ago. There was plenty of essential rock and roll beyond the hits everyone knows; "The Ostrich" and "Take What You Need" still hit their mar If you haven't already, check out Steppenwolf's debut album - "Steppenwolf. It's extremely listenable. Not a bad track on the album, although over the years, I've gotten bored of Berry Rides Again, a Chuck Berry mash-up style tribute that, I think, comes off as somewhat juvenille. But overall, this is an album I've been revisiting for my whole life, going back to my teen years. [fimg=444]http://www.softshoe-slim.com/covers2/s/steppenwolf01b.jpg[/fimg]

Edgy MD Dec 30 2016 11:24 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I was barely aware of this before all these Trivia Kwizzes, but neither Todd Rundgren nor Warren Zevon are RnRHoF members. Have either been nominated? wtf? Your namesake, coincidentally enough, asks the same question. [youtube]CSQs2boo4Sk[/youtube]

Frayed Knot Dec 31 2016 12:18 AM Re: Rock Hall nominations

JCM was the inductor for Donovan a couple years back and joined him later that night for a rendition of SEASONS OF THE WITCH, but hasn't gotten the call himself. btw, although CHICAGO was one of last year's inductees, there will be a several hour feature on them Sunday night on CNN of all places (some of those news channels find themselves trolling around for things to run late at night or on weekends). I suspect that this one won't be as altogether down and sleazy as the EAGLES deal that was widely discussed here a few years back, but yaneverknow.

sharpie Dec 31 2016 03:19 AM Re: Rock Hall nominations

JCM was inducted in 2008. Billy Joel inducted him. https://www.rockhall.com/inductees/john-mellencamp

Edgy MD Apr 07 2017 08:17 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

In dramatic news of dramatic drama, and contrary to popular reports, Steve Perry will not go his separate ways tonight after joining Journey in accepting induction into the Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame but will instead faithfully rejoin his former bandmates in performance for the first time in 25 years. That scoop comes from TMZ, so make of it what you will, and the reunion may be mostly symbolic as they report the Journeymen will be doing three songs and Perry will join in "at least one of the songs." Perry is in a very similar situation to Peter Cetera last year. From a deceptively old band, with a high cheese content, inducted decades after they were first eligible (a certain side effect of all that cheese), a long-exiled high tenor vocalist in a position to make a dramatic return, but in danger of no longer being able to deliver the songs in the range and with the power the fans are used to. If reports are true, kudos to him. The fans may get it, but not any way they want it.

Frayed Knot Apr 08 2017 12:34 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

Turns out that Perry did NOT sing after all. Showed up, picked up the award, sucked up the applause, but then left the singing to the younger folk. The induction surprise of the night was David Letterman (a late replacement for an ill Neil Young) doing the intro speech for Pearl Jam.

Edgy MD Apr 08 2017 03:17 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

What a copout. Steve Perry will sing over and over again with The Eels but won't sing as single verse with the band doing all his music. And what a shitty FAKE NEWS! false scoop from TMZ. I apologize for sharing that crap.

Ashie62 Apr 08 2017 04:25 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

This seems to be an accurate account of the night with photos. Geddy Lee filled in at bass for Yes. [url]http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/pearl-jam-journey-yes-score-epic-night-at-rock-hall-of-fame-w475835

Edgy MD Apr 08 2017 06:36 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

Frayed Knot wrote: The induction surprise of the night was David Letterman (a late replacement for an ill Neil Young) doing the intro speech for Pearl Jam. I didn't see Letterman but I was really impressed by Walt Whitman's tribute. [fimg=700]http://img.wennermedia.com/article-leads-horizontal-1400/david-letterman-pearl-jam-rock-roll-hall-fame-rrof-induction-speech-read-2017-1e0707f2-af2e-4d00-a1f2-919317dfcbfe.jpg[/fimg]

Frayed Knot Apr 08 2017 06:52 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

That's not Whitman, it's actually my (great - great - great) grandfather. He neglected to tell me he'd be in town for the ceremonies but I guess when you get the call that Neil Young is sick and you have to pinch-hit you just get on the private jet and go with little time for phone calls. Looks much better without the glasses, don't you think?

Ashie62 Apr 08 2017 08:20 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

More like Joaquin Phoenix.

Edgy MD Apr 12 2017 12:22 AM Re: Rock Hall nominations

Groton, MA, police are reporting that J. Geils, guitarist and founder of the band that bears his name, has been found dead in his home at 71.

Frayed Knot Apr 12 2017 12:33 AM Re: Rock Hall nominations

Kind of an oddity to be, at best, the third best-known guy in your own eponymously-named band.

Edgy MD Apr 12 2017 12:39 AM Re: Rock Hall nominations

A lot of folks would insist that there was no J. Giels, that the band's name was just cryptic jibberish. After the Geils Band broke up, he took up auto racing for a bit, and collected a fleet of Italian sports cars, which he restored himself.

Frayed Knot May 01 2017 01:51 AM Re: Rock Hall nominations

Watched the first part of the R&RHoF ceremonies (now that it's running on HBO). Started with a tribute to Chuck Berry, one which was fine and certainly merited although it looked like something they had recorded years earlier just waiting for the moment when ol' Chuck keeled over. So while there were tributes from the usual suspects, we were treated to testimonial tributes from a 30-something year old Bruce, and maybe a 45 y/o Keith, and from a still young and hirsute Clapton. It's like one of those newspaper obits which they write up for famous folks well in advance so they just need to fill in the dates and cause of death at the last moment. The ELO induct was even odder. Dhani Harrison (looking slightly less like his dad these days) did the honors but he essentially did a Jeff Lynne tribute, extolling JL's recording, producing, writing resume on not just ELO stuff but also on George's records and his Wilbury years, etc. Not surprising as Lynne was one of George's closest friends, but then no one else even got mentioned. When it came time for the 'band' to come up on stage, it was Lynne and one other guy (who? ... I don't know) even though pictures on the big screen in back showed a seven man band at times and made mention of at least four core members. Dhani, after a big hug for Lynne, seemed like he was meeting the other guy for the first time. After brief speeches by the two (and, again, no intro for the mystery man) plus a quick mention by Lynne about two others who "couldn't be here tonight" (health? feud? estrangement? lawsuits?) the skeleton ELO took the stage with Jeff Lynne and ... some backup band which now didn't even include this sidekick making it truly a Jeff Lynne solo project. Now maybe some stuff wound up on the cutting room floor that the live audience saw but us TV viewers didn't, but, geez, at least see that the names of the individual recipients get announced!

Edgy MD May 01 2017 02:03 AM Re: Rock Hall nominations

Yeah, that stuff is 100% maddening. And nobody is more guilty of it than the Beatles family. Paul McCartney, who couldn't be bothered showing up when the Beatles were inducted, (1) Turned the Paul McCartney induction into a commercial for his daughter's fashion line, (2) Induction-speeched John Lennon by telling the story of Lennon in the Beatles, neglecting his solo legacy which was actually what was being honored, (3) strong-armed the institution into inducting Ringo Starr, claiming that it was absurd that Brian Epstein be inducted but not Ringo, seemingly not realizing that Ringo HAD been inducted as a member of the Beatles, a fact obvious to everyone but him (who again, wasn't there when it happened), but nobody had the guts to tell him. No offense to Dhani, but don't they usually give induction honors to guys with a rock legacy of their own? Dhani's greatest legacy is still is last name. But nobody can so no to the Beatle name, except perhaps the doorman at Tyga's Grammy party.

Frayed Knot May 01 2017 02:18 AM Re: Rock Hall nominations

Paul did a nice intro for Ringo when RS was inducted [u:2e59va65]as a solo artist[/u:2e59va65] back in 2015. Prior to that Mr. Starkey had been the only Beatle not to be in on his own in addition to the group honor. Bev Bevan, Richard Tandy, and Roy Wood (acc. to Wikipedia) were the three ELO'ers inducted (even if invisible) along with Lynne. The mystery man who did show was either Tandy or Wood but I have no idea which.

Edgy MD May 01 2017 03:02 AM Re: Rock Hall nominations

Frayed Knot wrote: Paul did a nice intro for Ringo when RS was inducted as a solo artist back in 2015. Yes, I know he was inducted as a solo artist, but my point is that (a) Paul didn't seem to know that Ringo hadn't been honored for his work as a Beatle, and that the various members of a band don't need to be inducted separately to honor their work with the band, (b) made it his personal mission to strong-arm the institution on Ringo's behalf, subverting the whole nominate-the-candidates-and-put-their-cases-before-a-select-committee system that this thread traces, and (c) got the institution to acquiesce, honoring Ringo not really as an artist, but with the Award for Music Excellence, a category made up for sidemen, journeymen, studio musicians and mostly anonymous backing bands, and NOT for the already-inducted drummer of the greatest band ever, whose career after the band wasn't really characterized by his work as a player at all. [youtube]m_zf6kYvR8k[/youtube] Wood was ELO's co-founder, but Richard Tandy became the #2 guy after Wood quit in the early seventies. Internal fighting wasn't about whose compositions would be used or who would get lead vocals on which track, but rather who got to be behind the boards doing production and engineering and mixing, which is a pretty good ELO reason for a breakup.

TransMonk May 01 2017 12:54 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

The Pearl Jam + Rush + Trevor Rabin group effort on "Rockin' In The Free World" to close the show would have made my seventeen-year-old-self cream his shorts. Presumably, Neil Young would have been up there as well had he been able to make it to the show.

G-Fafif May 01 2017 07:59 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

Interesting perspective from someone who was there regarding how inductions of certain artists don't hold the audience's attention -- or the audience isn't committing its attention to those inductions. I watched act after act take the stage at the ceremony this year, from ELO to Joan Baez, and, with every folk and rock star of yesteryear, the applause grew. The mood changed when a montage about Tupac began to roll. Snippets from his famous interview with Tabitha Soren played on the big screen, followed by flashes of his booming voice on “California Love,” and the other hits from his tragically short career. It should’ve been a moment of reverence — a rap titan who had changed the face of hip-hop by the time he was 25 years old, was being awarded one of music’s great honors. Instead the moment was met with a mass exodus. Throngs of people in the audience, particularly those seated in the sold-out Barclays stands, bolted for their first bathroom break of the night, just as Pac’s voice echoed through the arena in the clip’s first seconds. The reception only worsened when Snoop Dogg walked onstage to induct his late friend and Death Row Records brethren. To Snoop, whose line of vision probably best met the celebrities in front of him, it might’ve sounded like a warm welcome. His peers in the front stood and cheered, as did many others at the tables on the floor and in the high-priced stands. Widen the scope a bit and put a spotlight down the sides and toward the back, however, and he might’ve seen that the crowd had visibly thinned. For the first minutes of his speech, Snoop was drowned out by the racket of people spilling out between the tables in the rear to chat over his speech. According to another Vulture writer who spent the night in the press room, the reaction there was the same: A predominately white sea of men and women — but mostly men; this is the Rock Hall, after all — were disinterested in the blackest moment of the night. In his speech, Snoop unknowingly nodded to this hypocrisy, taking umbrage with the way Pac’s legacy has been distorted in death. How he’d become a thug deity, an image on a Forever 21 T-shirt instead of the multifaceted black man that he was in life. “While many remember him now as some kind of thugged-out superhero, Tupac knew he was only human,” Snoop reminded the crowd. He humanized Pac by sharing colorful stories of how they defied societal expectations for black men by relishing their wealth and freedom with oddly normal frivolities like parasailing. Had an older white journalist at my table — one of the few nearby who came prepared to cover rap — not shushed the clusters of loudmouths surrounding us, we might’ve missed Snoop tell one of the best stories of the night. Alicia Keys was the first to perform in Pac’s honor, singing a medley that included “Changes” from her usual seat at the piano. The bathroom-goers who’d since returned knew her well enough. Their interest, though, still wasn’t piqued. Bringing respected West Coast rap newcomer YG on next didn’t help either. It was then that my otherness started to show — against my better judgment, I stood up and danced. I outed myself as a fan. If any of the other white men at the table — save for the one who previously hushed the unruly audience members — had a clue who YG and, later, Treach and T.I. were, they did a good job of playing dumb. Those nearest turned to the only black girl in sight and started asking me to ID the rappers onstage for their reviews of the ceremony when furious Googling failed them. Unfamiliarity with unannounced guests isn’t a crime. But if we’re going to induct rap into the Hall, then the Hall and those it invites to witness the ceremony ought to dignify the art first. Nile Rodgers, whose speech was also talked over, had to put dollar signs on top of his résumé to prove his worth (“I’ve sold over 300 million albums and 75 million singles,” he said.) For all the others among his class, the accolades were assumed; their history isn’t allowed to be ignored. If we’re to hold up the Rock Hall as a time capsule containing all the artifacts of music’s past that we’d like the future to remember — and that does appear to be its logical purpose — it matters whose culture we’re preserving, and how. If the only black art that Hall purists care to see has to look like Chuck Berry’s, we’re in trouble.

Vic Sage May 01 2017 10:05 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

i don't give a shit about rap, but i did give a piss... right then at that moment after YES. And i didn't bother turning back to the show after that, knowing the Tupac tribute was about to start. Because when you gotta go, you gotta go... and if anybody could've appreciated that, it would've been Tupac.

41Forever May 02 2017 12:06 AM Re: Rock Hall nominations

It seemed like the Vulture writer was injecting race where it didn't belong. It seems he is implying that a person is racist if he or she doesn't enjoy rap.

Frayed Knot May 02 2017 12:50 AM Re: Rock Hall nominations

Vic Sage wrote: i don't give a shit about rap, but i did give a piss... right then at that moment after YES. ... Because when you gotta go, you gotta go... So you and Rick Wakeman were likely taking your pisses together if his rather TMI acceptance speech was any indication.

Edgy MD May 02 2017 01:40 AM Re: Rock Hall nominations

G-Dee wrote: But if we’re going to induct rap into the Hall, then the Hall and those it invites to witness the ceremony ought to dignify the art first. It's a big IF, though. Pretending to care for that which you don't is patronizing and ignores a huge reality about our fragmented popular culture.

Mets Willets Point May 02 2017 03:22 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

Frayed Knot wrote: The ELO induct was even odder. Dhani Harrison (looking slightly less like his dad these days) did the honors but he essentially did a Jeff Lynne tribute, extolling JL's recording, producing, writing resume on not just ELO stuff but also on George's records and his Wilbury years, etc. Not surprising as Lynne was one of George's closest friends, but then no one else even got mentioned. I guess this could be the ELO band photo too.

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 02 2017 03:39 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

Mets Willets Point wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: The ELO induct was even odder. Dhani Harrison (looking slightly less like his dad these days) did the honors but he essentially did a Jeff Lynne tribute, extolling JL's recording, producing, writing resume on not just ELO stuff but also on George's records and his Wilbury years, etc. Not surprising as Lynne was one of George's closest friends, but then no one else even got mentioned. I guess this could be the ELO band photo too. I think about AF more and more, and watched it again recently. It's not entirely perfect but has crossed some kind of line with me and become a Lunchbucket All-Time Klassik.

Edgy MD May 02 2017 04:11 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

Almost Famous kills it in the "Not since" test—as in, almost none of the principles have been involved with anything particularly comparable since. Certainly not Crowe. I mean, I like We Bought a Zoo, but ... .

G-Fafif May 02 2017 08:22 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

41Forever wrote: It seemed like the Vulture writer was injecting race where it didn't belong. It seems he is implying that a person is racist if he or she doesn't enjoy rap. Dee is a she. If nature calls, nature calls, and people are going to pick their moment to respond. But if you are sitting through someone's speech (and Snoop's was a good one), don't talk over it. That's courtesy in any genre.

41Forever May 02 2017 09:11 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

G-Fafif wrote: 41Forever wrote: It seemed like the Vulture writer was injecting race where it didn't belong. It seems he is implying that a person is racist if he or she doesn't enjoy rap. Dee is a she. If nature calls, nature calls, and people are going to pick their moment to respond. But if you are sitting through someone's speech (and Snoop's was a good one), don't talk over it. That's courtesy in any genre. That's very true. It's rude to the speaker and to the people sitting nearby who wish to hear the speaker. I just don't know if the rudeness was necessarily tied to a dislike of the presenter, the honored artist or the artist's genre. I wonder if Run DMC, Grandmaster Flash, Public Enemy and NWA were met with similar rudeness during their inductions, or this was a one-off.

Edgy MD May 02 2017 09:45 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

NWA got some mixed reaction. They had a beef going on with Gene Simmons at the time. Simmons had previously made publicly clear that he didn't think rap belonged in the Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame. When Ice Cube threw down some in his acceptance speech, ... “You goddamn right we rock and roll. Rock and roll is not an instrument, rock and roll is not even a style of music. Rock and roll is a spirit. It’s a spirit. It’s been going since the blues, jazz, bebop, soul, R&B, rock and roll, heavy metal, punk rock, and yes, hip-hop. And what connects us all is that spirit. That’s what connects us all, that spirit. Rock and roll is not conforming to the people who came before you, but creating your own path in music and in life.” ... he got some cheers, but some boos, too.

Frayed Knot May 03 2017 02:23 PM Re: Rock Hall nominations

Mets Willets Point wrote: I guess this could be the ELO band photo too. [fimg=200]http://www.feistees.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/stlwt.jpg[/fimg] "How would I know, I'm just one of the out of focus guys"