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Prospect Season - 2016/17
Frayed Knot Nov 14 2016 04:03 PM |
Baseball Prospectus is the first to chime in with their NYM list.
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MFS62 Nov 14 2016 11:37 PM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
Glad to see Wuilmer is still on the top 10.
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Edgy MD Nov 15 2016 01:29 AM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
It was a pretty terrible year for the system, particularly in the upper levels, following the late-summer spending spree that cost them 19 (I think) prospects. Only one affiliate qualified for the post-season and was quickly eliminated. But early returns on the draft and the recent free agent signings at least have the system trending back toward their prior lofty status, if still a ways from restored.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 15 2016 02:13 AM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 03 2016 06:39 PM |
Szapucki, though... put up numbers (sub-1 WHIP, 14-plus K/9, 4-plus K/BB) that were so very szexy this year. He's gotten some MLB-wide talk, and may well be on some top-100 lists.
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Centerfield Nov 15 2016 02:48 PM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
Not on that list is Anthony Kay, the supplemental pick the Mets got for letting Murphy walk. I have been hoping that someday he wins a Cy Young so we call be like man, it's a good thing Murphy left even though he killed is in 2016, since we got Anthony Kay and Murphy suddenly lost it and hit .214 from 2017 onwards.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 21 2016 05:02 PM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
Not a top 10 ranking or anything, but rather a look around at the diamond at comers in the org. Nothing you probably didn;t know already...
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Edgy MD Dec 01 2016 08:35 PM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
Amazin' Avenue is rolling out their prospect lists five guys at a time, down from 25
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 01 2016 09:04 PM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
Gabe Llanes getting no love.
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Edgy MD Dec 01 2016 09:51 PM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
It's like Miss America contestants. When you count down from the also rans, the drama builds. You start to think, "Am I so ugly as to not even get an honorable mention—am I a monster?—or AM I THE MOST BEAUTIFUL OF ALL?!!"
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Edgy MD Dec 03 2016 04:22 PM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
#10. Wuilmer Becerra, rf: Becerra did everything you can hope for in St. Lucie in 2016, except hit for power, which he didn't do at all. This is a major step backwards. It's at least partially due to a torn labrum, so the optimist can say he proved he can still be useful while playing hurt, which is no small thing. The pessimist will say this isn't really much of a prospect.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 04 2016 02:49 PM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
Desmond Lindsay
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Edgy MD Dec 05 2016 03:52 PM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
I don't know who AA is bringing at #8 yet, but Baseball America has a top ten out, and they sure are bullish on Justin Dunn.
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Edgy MD Dec 05 2016 05:58 PM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
Amazin' Avenue is a little more bearish on Dunn, ranking him at #8. They cite stamina and a fastball which they say finishes flat.
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Frayed Knot Dec 07 2016 01:02 PM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
BA's Q & A on the heels of their NYM Top-10 list.
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Edgy MD Dec 07 2016 02:33 PM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
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My takeaways.
Neil Diamond! (4) Also ...
Death of a Gsellman! Sign that guy up!
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MFS62 Dec 07 2016 02:34 PM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
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About two of my adoptees: He gave Bucerra a mulligan because of injuries. He gave Montero a bogey because of, I guess, lack of coach-ability. Later
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Edgy MD Dec 07 2016 03:52 PM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
Also (5) the Mets may get really raided in the Rule 5 draft.
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Edgy MD Dec 07 2016 04:38 PM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
Amazin' Avenue's #7—Gavin Cecchini: I think a lot of rankers are finding it easy to put Rosario and Smith on top, but find #s 3–8 pretty interchangable. They like his consistent contact hitting a lot but are concerned that none of his secondary skills are standing out. He's got to see more time at second, but if Rivera doesn't make the big league roster, that job will mostly be his in AAA.
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Edgy MD Dec 09 2016 03:39 AM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
Amazin' Avenue's #6—Brandon nimmo: His strong year in Vegas seems to have convinced most watchers that he's a genuine big leaguer, but the issue is whether he's a full-timer or a part-timer. And it seems that he's getting more votes for the latter at this point.
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Edgy MD Dec 09 2016 06:13 PM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
Amazin' Avenue's #5—Dominic Smith: His contact ability and defensive abilities seem to draw universal faith. Even with his 14 homers this season, there's still concern over whether his power will emerge. Me and bmfc saw him on the same night and we were both more concerned with the bowling ball he carries around under his shirt.
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A Boy Named Seo Dec 09 2016 06:27 PM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
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I'm not entirely put-off by a better fielding version of Eric Hosmer, but I was shocked when I saw how much Dom Smith had ballooned up.
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Edgy MD Dec 10 2016 04:37 PM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
Amazin' Avenue's #3—Thomas Szapucki: If prospect fatigue can interfere with a fair ranking of Nimmo, I guess folks should be wary of prospect novelty with this guy, because he's sure got a lot of sudden helium after nine starts split between Kingspo' and Brooly'. I'm excited too, but everybody seems to be ga-ga over his spin rate, which is, like, a brand new thing, and its meaning is probably harder to glean than all that.
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Ashie62 Dec 11 2016 04:34 PM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
This may be redundant but Baseball America's Mets Top 10 prospects
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bmfc1 Dec 11 2016 05:03 PM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
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Not a great picture but yes, he's definitely a big boy and also, "baby's got back" (not pictured).
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themetfairy Dec 11 2016 05:10 PM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
Here's a better picture. Yes, he's got back.
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A Boy Named Seo Dec 11 2016 05:34 PM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
He was listed ~205 lbs when he was drafted in 2013, but now is listed at 250. Seems he's going for a "Prince Fielder with less power" thing.
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Frayed Knot Dec 11 2016 06:11 PM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
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To quote Kevin Mitchell, during a telecast in SD earlier this year when he joined Gary & Ron in the booth for an inning or two, while discussing Yeonis Cespedes: 'I always say about hitters, ya gotta have the gluteus' Smith never was one of those 'body beautiful' guys even as a teenager [BillBean]'We're not selling jeans here!'[/billybean] If he's totally blown up since then it certainly wouldn't be a good sign although I'd be leery of basing that off published weights alone.
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Edgy MD Dec 12 2016 04:58 PM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
Amazin' Avenue's #2—Robert Gsellman: These guys seem to be universally gsiddy over this guy, including one who calls him a top-20-overall prospect. What I hadn't realized is the angle that, rather than him being just more and better from 2015 to 2016, Gsellman completely changed his approach from one year to the next, which is particularly exciting when you consider that he was effective in both seasons. When you successfully change on the fly like that, it gives you a broad foundation to stand on, to mix metaphors a bit.
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Lefty Specialist Dec 12 2016 09:32 PM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
Egsiting.
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Edgy MD Dec 14 2016 03:27 PM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
A shocking upset!
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 14 2016 09:10 PM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
I would lurve it if he stuck with 99.
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Benjamin Grimm Dec 14 2016 09:16 PM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
I think the Mets will let Cabrera hold down shortstop for 2017, with Jose Reyes as the backup. Rosario won't come to the Mets until around May 1, 2018 to delay his free agency.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 12 2017 05:08 PM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
John Sickels list published today. High on Szapucki and Gsellman
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Frayed Knot Jan 12 2017 05:49 PM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 16 2017 03:13 AM |
The requisite Amed Rosario porn:
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MFS62 Jan 12 2017 11:05 PM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
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Does he ever watch a major league game, or just minor league ones? He says ETA for both Gsellman and Rivera is 2017. Doesn't he know they already made their debuts in 2016 and were major contributors down the stretch? Crap like that damages the credibility of any writer. Later
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Edgy MD Jan 12 2017 11:07 PM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
Yes, I'm sure he does watch big league games, as he reports on their performance in them in that very article. And clearly he means their arrival from this point forward.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 12 2017 11:16 PM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
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It's almost as though you need to have something to say so badly you'll take up the case of a writer's "credibility" rather than actually read the article. It's obvious had you read the article you wouldn't have missed this context and needn't have wasted anyone's time to explain it. What's crap here is your effort.
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MFS62 Jan 13 2017 02:44 PM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
I did read the article, and since he DID mention their 2016 MLB service, I wondered why ETA wasn't something like "Already MLB" instead of 2017.
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Ashie62 Jan 15 2017 12:30 AM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
Always good to have some catching on the way up.
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Edgy MD Jan 27 2017 03:35 PM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
Keith Law (Key Flaw!) has just named Amed Rosario the #3 prospect.
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Frayed Knot Jan 28 2017 12:16 AM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
Also Dom Smith at #60, Thomas Szapucki = #76, Justin Dunn = #84
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Centerfield Jan 28 2017 12:26 AM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
That seems way high. The kid has hit for one season.
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Frayed Knot Jan 28 2017 12:43 AM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
He hit in back to back seasons really (A+ & AA) and was at least decent in the one year before that (his first full one as a pro). Total up 2015 & '16 and you get over 1,000 ABs of ~.304/.360/.440 all while being several years younger than the league as a whole.
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MFS62 Jan 28 2017 12:57 AM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
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Is he talking about Smith or Rosario? Later
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Frayed Knot Jan 28 2017 01:35 AM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
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My answer was assuming that CF was referring to Smith ... but maybe not. As for Rosario, I suspect most or all of the usual ratings sites are going to have him top-15-ish or better this winter. 20 y/o SSs who can field and run and hit with already a half-season of AA ball under their belts are a valuable commodity.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 28 2017 01:54 AM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
Plus, Flaw has been gay for Rosario for years now
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TheOldMole Jan 28 2017 03:57 AM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
How can you hit for a lofty average without having plate discipline?
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MFS62 Jan 28 2017 04:01 AM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
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You hit line drives off "bad" pitches that fall in for hits? Ask Ichiro. Later
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Frayed Knot Jan 28 2017 04:49 AM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
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Law did have Rosario higher than anyone last year; he him at #42, BA at #58, while no one else (BP, Mayo @ MLB, or Sickels) put him top 60.
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Nymr83 Jan 28 2017 06:35 AM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
Law is always (justifiably in my opinion) higher on guys he thinks can play average or better defense in the big leagues at SS/CF because the bat doesn't need to develop as much for the player to make a positive impact
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Lefty Specialist Jan 28 2017 12:12 PM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
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Aaah, fuck Ichiro.
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Centerfield Jan 28 2017 02:27 PM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
Sorry. I was talking about a Rosario. From what I remember, this was the first year he put up any offensive numbers.
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Frayed Knot Jan 28 2017 03:00 PM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
Yeah, but you have to balance that against the whole package:
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 28 2017 03:40 PM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
Not to mention that the tools to be a productive offensive player-- quick wrists, wiry-strong frame, good hand-eye coordination-- have been in evidence since before his signing, even if the on-field production came in fits and starts. Which is to say, this sort of offensive progress has been anticipated, not simply hoped-for.
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Frayed Knot Jan 29 2017 04:23 AM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
Jonathan Mayo and the crew over at MLB.com place Rosario as their #5 overall prospect so that makes it a bit tougher to paint Kee Flaw as overly Amed-ophilic.
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Frayed Knot Jan 30 2017 01:37 AM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
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And not just his offensive tools. In giving a breakdown of their just-released top-100 prospects, MLB.com listed Rosario in both the 'strongest arm' and 'best defender' categories in their prospect list. He wasn't named at the very top in either, but rather as "also in the running" (meaning one of the next five) and this wasn't just comparing him to other SS but to everyone on the list regardless of position. In the arm category he's there with a 3B, two catchers and two OFs - so essentially they're saying the best SS arm in the group. In 'best defender', only Philly SS prospect JP Crawford was also a middle IF among the top six (the others were two catchers, an OF, and a 1B/OF) despite there being 15 SS among the 100
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Centerfield Jan 30 2017 04:15 PM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
That's pretty exciting. When was the last time we had a prospect ranked that high? I don't remember Conforto or Syndegaard reaching that sort of level.
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Edgy MD Jan 30 2017 04:44 PM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
Syndergaard made Top 10 on some lists. Never top 5, I don't think.
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Edgy MD Jan 30 2017 04:51 PM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
BaseballAmerica had Blastings Thrilledge ranked #9 going into the 2006 season.
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Frayed Knot Jan 30 2017 05:18 PM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
Yeah, Reyes also peaked at #3 in Baseball America's pre-2003 poll (there were fewer outlets doing this sort of stuff then) when he, like Rosario now, was coming off a season split between High-A & AA although Jose was more than a year and a half younger then as compared to what Rosario is now.
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Edgy MD Jan 30 2017 08:40 PM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
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Ouch. Let's hoping he's right about Rosario but not so much about Tebow.
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Frayed Knot Jan 30 2017 08:55 PM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
Gee Keith, do you think that might have something to do with Tebow being essentially a beginner thrown into his first game action in a league which is often used as a showcase for teams to put their up and coming hopeful stars?
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Edgy MD Jan 30 2017 09:25 PM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
I'm guessing it's more like 30-to-one against him ever appearing.
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Centerfield Jan 31 2017 03:48 PM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
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I think what offends the baseball guys are the idea that a football player can fail at that sport, then just jump over and play baseball. I think they feel that this suggests that baseball is in some way easier or inferior to football. I think this is why they go out of their way to insult Tebow and say things like he's the worst guy in the universe, bla bla bla. I'm not a football guy. I really don't get the attention given to Tebow.
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Frayed Knot Jan 31 2017 05:44 PM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
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Which is, of course, really stupid logic. Michael Jordan failing at baseball while being maybe the best ever at basketball proves nothing more than the fact that Jordan was less suited to (and less practiced at) baseball than he was at hoops. But it's not like the sport of baseball gained anything by his brief failure. The argument some of these baseball defenders get behind is that some poor baseball lifer is being denied a spot on a roster, an argument which actually fit Jordan better as he was promoted directly to AA where he held down a spot all year despite being a .200 hitting corner OF without power. Tebow hasn't even gotten to the point where that kind of decision has come up yet.
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Nymr83 Jan 31 2017 06:00 PM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
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I suspect they also go out of their way to attack Tebow for his political leaning and/or high-profile Christianity. I'm sure Tebow isnt very good - but Law would never say that about another guy.
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Centerfield Jan 31 2017 06:24 PM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
It's interesting to compare the Tebow experience to that of Rick Ankiel. Now, of course Ankiel was successful in that he made it back to the majors as a position player, but was never really good.
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Centerfield Jan 31 2017 06:27 PM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
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All fair. But I imagine there is some sort of "Who's *$#! is bigger" type of competition between guys who cover football and guys who cover baseball. Or any sport for that matter. And they would be mortified if an athlete failed at another sport, then came on and succeeded at their's. Again, all really stupid logic, but I imagine there is some of that out there.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 01 2017 02:30 AM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
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Oh, FFS. It's not an antiChristian thing. If there's something people resent about him, it's the attention he gets relative to his actual talent (football OR baseball). He's famous for being That Good-Looking Christian Guy Who Is Not Good Enough For The Pros (But Somehow Manages To Stay In The Public Eye Anyway). He's a Wholesomeseeming Kardashian.
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Frayed Knot Feb 11 2017 02:35 PM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
Baseball America:
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Frayed Knot Feb 13 2017 01:41 PM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
Need a breakdown of Thomas Nido's leap forward offensively last season? Sure, go ahead and give it to me
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Frayed Knot Feb 13 2017 04:19 PM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
BP whips out their 2017 list, slotting Rosario at #8 and LHP Thomas Szapucki at 69th while leaving off Smith entirely. But then they really buck the trend on the previously thought of as 'low-ceiling' Robert Gsellman by tabbing him as their #17 prospect.
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Frayed Knot Feb 13 2017 09:28 PM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
In an effort to get a jump on next year's top prospects, BA identified potential 'Breakout' stars who, while not yet on this year's Top-100, could be the ones shooting up next year's lists.
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Edgy MD Feb 13 2017 09:39 PM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
So how about that huge rating on Gsellman followed by a kick in the balls with Smith? Prospectus totally ignores the consensus of their peers. They stand alone and give not a shit.
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Edgy MD Feb 13 2017 09:47 PM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
Does Baseball America consider Gsellman graduated or just not good enough?
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Frayed Knot Feb 13 2017 10:05 PM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
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Well pretty much all these ratings sites use the standard rookie classification as their cut-off and, if you flip back to page 1 of this here thread, you'll see that BA had Gsellman as their #7 among NYM prospects. They just don't have him making their overall Top-100, nor did Mayo at MLB.com, nor did Law/ESPN. John Sickels however did (list also out today) although, at #59, he was so not quite so bullish as BP despite adding in his comments section that he believed that "what we saw late in the year was not a fluke" and that this higher than most rating here "may prove too pessimistic."
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Frayed Knot Feb 14 2017 02:04 PM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Feb 20 2017 08:59 PM |
With all the big lists now out, here's this year's consensus top twenty via a combined mash-up of five of the major ones (MLB, ESPN, BP, BA, Sickels)
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Edgy MD Feb 14 2017 02:23 PM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
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Lance Niekro and Ike Davis have made me suspicious of slugging, first base-playin' sons of short-term Yankee pitchers, the sons of Dave LaRoche notwithstanding.
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Frayed Knot Feb 14 2017 02:46 PM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
btw, check out the prospects originally signed and/or drafted by the BoSox - 5 of the top 20, 7 of the top 31
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Frayed Knot Feb 19 2017 04:51 AM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
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The final tally on Rosario from the four major ranking lists that I follow in addition to Law at ESPN were: 5th (MLB), 5th (Sickels), 8th (BA) & 8th (BP) So while we were wondering whether Law was overly rosy on our guy Rosy, the answer is slightly (if at all) and that if he's wrong on this guy then essentially everyone is wrong.
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MFS62 Feb 23 2017 10:05 PM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
Here's MLB.com's Mets top 30.
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Frayed Knot Mar 24 2017 02:57 PM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
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Short BP article on how often top SS prospects remain at SS.
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Edgy MD Mar 24 2017 03:20 PM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
I question the methodology there. By taking guys who are in the top 100, you lose players who've already been moved. You're limited to guys who've had a bit of time to cast their fate. Your starting pool should be guys signed as shortstops. You could perhaps then identify "top prospects" as guys taken in the first two rounds or foreign players signed with a bonus over X threshold. This would allow them to go back and include Wally Backman and Gregg Jeffries, and even professional imports like Kazuo Matsui. Heck, Mickey Mantle and Hank Aaron too, if they want to go back that far.
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Ashie62 Mar 24 2017 10:26 PM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
I HAVE FAITH IN BUCCERRA.
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Frayed Knot Apr 12 2017 04:28 PM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
Early returns on Amed Rosario's debut in AAA: 11 for 26 although all are singles and with no walks, leading to the rather interesting slash line of .423/.423/.423
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MFS62 Apr 13 2017 12:31 AM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
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Keith Law has now named Amed as the #1 prospect in all of baseball. http://www.amazinavenue.com/2017/4/12/1 ... -keith-law Later
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Benjamin Grimm Apr 13 2017 12:47 AM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
Joel Sherman in the Post speculates that the Mets may give up on both Wright and Reyes, put Rosario at shortstop and move Cabrera to third.
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Frayed Knot Apr 13 2017 01:24 AM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
A bit premature on that kind of projection. Even Miguel Cabrera has of 3 singles in 24 ABs (.125) so far this season so we need to stick a big SSS alert on Jose-Jose still.
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Edgy MD Apr 30 2017 04:10 AM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
Just tuned in to the Las Vegas game and one pitch later, Amed Rosario hit his first AAA homer.
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Frayed Knot May 22 2017 01:44 PM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
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Nothing like an off-day Monday for an Amed Rosario update. The extra base hits are starting to kick as now 20 of his 63 hits have gone for XB: 13 doubles, 3 triples, 4 HR And given the singles-happy nature of the start he was off to (see above) that's really 20 XBH of his last 52 hits overall. Now slashing .360/.398/.537 Walks still a bit low though not absurdly so and are picking up. K's not too bad (26 in 191 PA), steals a decent 8 of 11. Could do without the nine errors but aren't too worried there.
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Ashie62 May 23 2017 07:38 PM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
This came out today in SL and is a pretty complete update on many names in the system.
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Frayed Knot Jun 30 2017 12:35 AM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
Catcher Tomas Nido and Amed Rosario will be your Mets representing the World squad in the 'Futures Game' during the ASB
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Frayed Knot Jul 15 2017 05:09 PM Re: Prospect Season - 2016/17 |
The downside to prospects ... sometimes they don't turn out to be what you think they're going to.
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