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Election IGT

cooby Nov 08 2016 11:26 AM

Off I go to immerse myself in a world of diapers and Disney Jr, to forget about all this for awhile! Have fun today all!

Fman99 Nov 08 2016 12:29 PM Re: Election IGT

Going to incorporate voting into my post work day bicycle ride, as my normal route from home to the local park and back takes me within about a quarter mile of the church where I vote each year.

MFS62 Nov 08 2016 01:18 PM Re: Election IGT

Vote wisely. America is at stake. Later

Benjamin Grimm Nov 08 2016 01:56 PM Re: Election IGT

There's a site called Votecastr which promises to keep us up-to-date with how the election is going throughout the day. The premise, as I understand it, is that they'll have access to the same data that the campaigns and the broadcast and cable networks have, but they'll be sharing it as they get it, rather than wait until the polls close. In theory, we'd be able to tell during the day how things are going in Florida, or North Carolina, or Ohio, etc. This is the first time they're doing this, so there's no track record to get a feel for how accurate they are. But it should be interesting. Unfortunately, right now their link for following the election brings the visitor to a blank page. Unless they fix that, their site won't be interesting at all.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 08 2016 02:09 PM Re: Election IGT

Okay, it looks like they're doing seven states (and North Carolina isn't one of them). Here's an article about it on Slate.com: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_ ... cking.html The seven states are Florida, Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. (And sort of, Colorado?)

cooby Nov 08 2016 02:12 PM Re: Election IGT

I won't be voting until tonight so Hilary will still have one more PA vote

Frayed Knot Nov 08 2016 02:35 PM Re: Election IGT

I have a feeling that Theo Epstein might carry Cook County as a write-in - at least among still living voters.

Lefty Specialist Nov 08 2016 03:21 PM Re: Election IGT

I've resolved not to look at those sites because they remind me too much of those exit polls they ran throughout the day in 2004 that said John Kerry was winning.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 08 2016 03:55 PM Re: Election IGT

Lefty Specialist, avert your eyes! Votecastr wrote: Florida 2016 Early Vote: 3,685,667 early votes, 41.8 percent of total votes cast in 2012 Clinton: 1,780,573 early votes, 42.0 percent of Obama’s 2012 total vote total Trump: 1,678,848 early votes, 40.3 percent of Romney’s 2012 total vote total 2012 Results: Obama won, 50.0 percent to 49.1 percent Iowa 2016 Early Vote: 563,444 early votes, 35.6 percent of total votes cast in 2012 Clinton: 273,188 early votes, 33.2 percent of Obama’s 2012 total vote total Trump: 244,739 early votes, 33.5 percent of Romney’s 2012 total vote total 2012: Obama won, 52.1 percent to 46.5 percent Nevada 2016 Early Vote: 593,964 early votes, 58.5 percent of total votes cast in 2012 Clinton: 276,461 early votes, 52.0 percent of Obama’s 2012 total vote total Trump: 269,255 early votes, 58.1 percent of Romney’s 2012 total vote total 2012: Obama won, 52.3 percent to 45.7 percent Ohio 2016 Early Vote: 1,320,559 early votes, 23.7 percent of total votes cast in 2012 Clinton: 632,433 early votes, 22.4 percent of Obama’s 2012 total vote total Trump: 579,916 early votes, 21.8 percent of Romney’s 2012 total vote total 2012: Obama won, 50.1 percent to 48.2 percent Pennsylvania 2016 Early Vote: 199,167 early votes, 3.5 percent of total votes cast in 2012 Clinton 85,367 early votes, 2.8 percent of Obama’s 2012 total vote total Trump: 99,286 early votes, 3.7 percent of Romney’s 2012 total vote total 2012: Obama won, 52.0 percent to 46.8 percent Wisconsin 2016 Early Vote: 560,455 early votes, 18.3 percent of total votes cast in 2012 Clinton 295,302 early votes, 18.2 percent of Obama’s 2012 total vote total Trump: 225,281 early votes, 16.0 percent of Romney’s 2012 total vote total 2012 Obama won, 52.8 percent to 46.1 percent

Lefty Specialist Nov 08 2016 04:00 PM Re: Election IGT

Gaaah!

Ceetar Nov 08 2016 04:02 PM Re: Election IGT

my homebrew club meeting starts at 7. There will be beer, and no tvs. it will be awesome.

Nymr83 Nov 08 2016 04:06 PM Re: Election IGT

Lefty Specialist wrote: Gaaah! I wouldn't put much stock in that - as Nate Silver (but not his idiotic critics at huffington post) would tell you, the states are correlated - it is almost inconceivable that Trump is killing her in Pennsylvania but handily losing Ohio and Iowa as pictured above. Ignore the crap and check in after 10pm

Benjamin Grimm Nov 08 2016 04:36 PM Re: Election IGT

I don't know if it's crap, although it may be. The Pennsylvania numbers are very preliminary. Clinton's leads in Iowa and Ohio might be because more votes have come in from the cities than the rural areas and the numbers could change as the day goes on. I agree that we have to take these numbers with a grain of salt, but that doesn't mean they're not worth peeking at throughout the day.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 08 2016 04:36 PM Re: Election IGT

I don;t even wanna tease myself with what shit might be going down today. Wifey Bucket reported ~1 hour wait at our dark blue corner of Brooklyn which is easily the longest we'd have experienced in 13 years of voting here. Gonna get my sticker on the way home.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 08 2016 04:38 PM Re: Election IGT

I just voted. (So Hillary will have at least one vote in Pennsylvania.) I arrived at 11 a.m. and I was in and out in 22 minutes. That's the same time of day that I voted in 2008 and 2012, but in those years it took maybe five minutes. There's definitely more enthusiasm. I doubt that much of it is pro-Hillary. It's either pro-Trump or anti-Trump, I assume.

metsmarathon Nov 08 2016 04:39 PM Re: Election IGT

i'm planning on getting my own sticker after work as well.

Ceetar Nov 08 2016 04:43 PM Re: Election IGT

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I just voted. (So Hillary will have at least one vote in Pennsylvania.) I arrived at 11 a.m. and I was in and out in 22 minutes. That's the same time of day that I voted in 2008 and 2012, but in those years it took maybe five minutes. There's definitely more enthusiasm. I doubt that much of it is pro-Hillary. It's either pro-Trump or anti-Trump, I assume. I'm hardly a political junkie, but isn't turnout usually correlated to democrats?

d'Kong76 Nov 08 2016 04:47 PM Re: Election IGT

Good 20 minute wait in line late morning for district 13, of course district 20 had zero people in line... not terribly efficient but what do I know. Everyone in line was very friendly and chatty, I felt the sense that everyone is happy today has finally come and we can put to bed the most bizarre presidential campaign season we will ever (hopefully) see in our lifetimes. I don't really get the Clinton-fretting folks, I'd be shocked if she doesn't win the thing by a near landslide but we'll see....

d'Kong76 Nov 08 2016 04:48 PM Re: Election IGT

I didn't get a sticker!

Benjamin Grimm Nov 08 2016 04:53 PM Re: Election IGT

d'Kong76 wrote: I didn't get a sticker! Me neither! I should demand my money back!

TransMonk Nov 08 2016 04:56 PM Re: Election IGT

Voted about an hour ago. There was no line for me as I was previously registered. Walked in and out in under five minutes.

d'Kong76 Nov 08 2016 04:58 PM Re: Election IGT

I've been registered for 36 years, still have to wait on line and sign your name next to a pre-printed image of your signature. Is the process different there?

Benjamin Grimm Nov 08 2016 05:01 PM Re: Election IGT

That's how it is in Pennsylvania, too.

TransMonk Nov 08 2016 05:57 PM Re: Election IGT

I still had to give my name, show ID and sign the book, which took under a minute. There is a separate line to register same-day here. I took the most time double checking my ballot to make sure I didn't check the wrong box!

Benjamin Grimm Nov 08 2016 05:59 PM Re: Election IGT

Yeah, me too. I was afraid that I would be too focused on who I was voting against that I would end up pressing the button next to his name!

Vic Sage Nov 08 2016 06:07 PM Re: Election IGT

voted this morning... no line at all. They use old-school paper ballots, which you take over to a partitioned table top and fill in the little circles with a black marker, then slide the ballot into a box that scans it as you put it in. They used to use the voting booths with the big hand lever and the toggles, but i like this much better... except for the scanning part, it was charmingly 19th century. The only problem was i didn't get a sticker! i should vote again so i can get the sticker, right?

d'Kong76 Nov 08 2016 06:25 PM Re: Election IGT

TransMonk wrote: I still had to give my name, show ID and sign the book, which took under a minute. There is a separate line to register same-day here. We don't show ID but I think they have the right to ask for it. We don't have same-day registration here, last day to register in NY was 10/14.

d'Kong76 Nov 08 2016 06:27 PM Re: Election IGT

Benjamin Grimm wrote: d'Kong76 wrote: I didn't get a sticker! Me neither! I should demand my money back! Friggin' Wilpons!

Lefty Specialist Nov 08 2016 06:39 PM Re: Election IGT

I bet Cespedes opted out of voting today too (mostly because he's not a citizen, I guess).

Benjamin Grimm Nov 08 2016 07:18 PM Re: Election IGT

Lefty Specialist, avert your eyes! Latest on VoteCastr: COLORADO With 72.2% of expected votes observed, Clinton 47%, Trump 42%. FLORIDA With 74.9% of expected votes observed, Clinton 49%, Trump 45%. IOWA With 55.9% of expected votes observed, Trump 46%, Clinton 45%. NEVADA With 58.7% of expected votes observed, Clinton 47%, Trump 44%. NEW HAMPSHIRE With 44.0% of expected votes observed, Clinton 47%, Trump 43%. OHIO With 59.8% of expected votes observed, Clinton 46%, Trump 45%. PENNSYLVANIA With 45.9% of expected votes observed, Clinton 48%, Trump 44%. WISCONSIN With 47.9% of expected votes observed, Clinton 49%, Trump 43%.

RealityChuck Nov 08 2016 07:23 PM Re: Election IGT

Here are some "I Voted" stickers, if you didn't get one.

A Boy Named Seo Nov 08 2016 07:24 PM Re: Election IGT

I voted early on Saturday. No lines that day. Currently phone-banking Nevada democrats to remind them to get their ass to the polls.

themetfairy Nov 08 2016 07:50 PM Re: Election IGT

My son and I voted around 7:45 this morning (D-Dad voted absentee because he's out of town). In and out in less than five minutes. Although there are two voting districts in our polling place, and the other one had a minimal line this morning (maybe about eight people). I was Number 42 to vote, which is as large a number as I can ever remember having out here. When I ran by the polling place later in the morning I didn't see quite as many cars parked as when we voted. I think we were part of the pre-work rush. No stickers in this lousy town....

themetfairy Nov 08 2016 07:50 PM Re: Election IGT Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 08 2016 07:51 PM

My son and I voted around 7:45 this morning (D-Dad voted absentee because he's out of town). In and out in less than five minutes. Although there are two voting districts in our polling place, and the other one had a minimal line this morning (maybe about eight people). I was Number 42 to vote, which is as large a number as I can ever remember having out here. When I ran by the polling place later in the morning I didn't see quite as many cars parked as when we voted. I think we were part of the pre-work rush. No stickers in this lousy town....

Lefty Specialist Nov 08 2016 07:51 PM Re: Election IGT

Well, if those Votecastr numbers hold up it'll be a blowout electorally. What's that, Mr Kerry? Wait a bit?

Benjamin Grimm Nov 08 2016 08:13 PM Re: Election IGT

I guess I don't remember the exit polls in 2004. I was in Sicily on Election Day that year, in a bed-and-breakfast with no television and couldn't really follow the results. I did turn on the car radio and heard a news report, in Italian, that I could barely understand. But I did hear John Kerry's voice saying, "We can't win this election." That pretty much told me who had won.

Vic Sage Nov 08 2016 09:45 PM Re: Election IGT

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Okay, it looks like they're doing seven states (and North Carolina isn't one of them). Here's an article about it on Slate.com: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_ ... cking.html The seven states are Florida, Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. (And sort of, Colorado?) Clinton is currently leading in all 7 of these states, based on their metric. Trump is keeping it close with his support among older, low-income, white men, but he's losing just about every other demographic. Younger voters, along with higher-income (and likely higher educated) men and women of all races, and predominantly non-white counties, are going big for Hilary. So no shocks thus far, based on their exit polling.

Edgy MD Nov 08 2016 09:59 PM Re: Election IGT

This is my friend Kenneth, as staunch a Republican as there is, but his principle would not allow him to consider Donald Trump.

Vic Sage Nov 08 2016 10:17 PM Re: Election IGT Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 08 2016 10:30 PM

People of principle can fairly differ on the issues, but Trump is not an issue. He's a cancer in the American soul that needs radical surgery and only the Republicans can de-Trumpify their party with the surgical precision needed to rest power away from the "alt right" now in control of their political institutions. And there are certainly some people, like Kenneth, who still identify themselves as Republicans that agree about the danger of Trumpism, and so this year they sacrificed their policy positions to make sure America didn't steer itself into a ditch. Now that's what i call "patriotism". Unfortunately, the Speaker of the House didn't exhibit that kind of patriotism, sacrificing principle on the altar of power. If Trump wins, he'll not think too kindly of Ryan for his tepid support, and if he loses, the fact that Ryan actually did support Trump will make him a good target of backlash. So i think he's fucked either way. Which is nice.

Chad Ochoseis Nov 08 2016 10:21 PM Re: Election IGT

d'Kong76 wrote: I've been registered for 36 years, still have to wait on line and sign your name next to a pre-printed image of your signature. Is the process different there? Jersey was like that. But when I voted early here on Saturday, they didn't even check my ID; I just handed them a form with my name, address, and signature and they verified that I (or someone impersonating me) was a registered voter. I haven't heard much about lines here because everyone I know voted early. But it's raining outside, which may affect turnout, particularly in the urban areas where you generally walk to the polls. Some good news for Trump in a must-win state. I've been working a consulting gig with a company in Charleston, SC; they were talking about multi-hour waits this morning. I'm having an election night watch party. Beer, wine, munchies. Stop by if you're in northeast Ohio.

Fman99 Nov 08 2016 10:52 PM Re: Election IGT

All voted. Total time in two lines (one to sign in, one to submit my ballot) was 15-20 minutes. Good turnout, I was #1082 on the day at my local polling place. Fwife's headed over after work.

d'Kong76 Nov 09 2016 12:18 AM Re: Election IGT

Chad Ochoseis wrote: I'm having an election night watch party. Beer, wine, munchies. Stop by if you're in northeast Ohio. If we leave after dinner we can be there for early morning news.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 09 2016 12:51 AM Re: Election IGT

Had to stay late at the office and I supposed missed the post commute rush. in and out in 5. Easiest choice I ever made.

Ashie62 Nov 09 2016 12:52 AM Re: Election IGT

Wrote in Evan McMullin in NJ. An independent from Utah that might win Utah but get 31 votes in NJ. Voted no on Casinos in northern NJ and yes the gas tax increase must go to the transportation fund only.

Lefty Specialist Nov 09 2016 01:14 AM Re: Election IGT

Well, Hillary managed to win NJ without ya.

metirish Nov 09 2016 01:28 AM Re: Election IGT

Flicking back and forth between NBC and MSNBC coverage , it's like the big leagues versus the minor leagues. John King on CNN in his element explaining the maps, other networks try and copy but I think he is the best at it

Ashie62 Nov 09 2016 01:29 AM Re: Election IGT

Lefty Specialist wrote: Well, Hillary managed to win NJ without ya. I'm shocked.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 09 2016 01:32 AM Re: Election IGT

We're chilling with channel 13.

Ashie62 Nov 09 2016 01:35 AM Re: Election IGT

Good choice.

dgwphotography Nov 09 2016 01:37 AM Re: Election IGT

Ashie62 wrote: Wrote in Evan McMullin in NJ. An independent from Utah that might win Utah but get 31 votes in NJ. Ha! I did the same here in CT

metsmarathon Nov 09 2016 02:35 AM Re: Election IGT

Ok, I'm fuckin terrified. It's early but I'm fuckin terrified. And I didn't even get a goddamn sticker!

Fman99 Nov 09 2016 02:44 AM Re: Election IGT

Yeah I'm shitting my pants in the 'Cuse.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 09 2016 02:45 AM Re: Election IGT

i didnt get a sticker either. dammit

Ashie62 Nov 09 2016 02:46 AM Re: Election IGT

Going to bed assuming Trump wins FL and VA. Goodbye HRC.

metirish Nov 09 2016 02:52 AM Re: Election IGT

OMG , get Palm Beach and Boward county etc counted already

Edgy MD Nov 09 2016 02:55 AM Re: Election IGT

I don't know what's with Ashie and Virginia. Still, I'm three pairs of underpants into my evening.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 09 2016 02:57 AM Re: Election IGT

I actually walked to the bodega for a 6-pack.

Nymr83 Nov 09 2016 03:08 AM Re: Election IGT

whatever happens tonight, vindication for the great statistician Nate Silver and a big FUCK YOU to his partisan detractors who just didn't like the unbiased results he was providing.

Fman99 Nov 09 2016 03:12 AM Re: Election IGT

The CNN guy is the best map guy. Basically, Trump is leading in all the swing states but the outstanding votes not in yet are mostly from urban areas, and HRC will gain in those spots presumably, but are there enough to catch the leads from the rural precincts. I may need alcohol.

Nymr83 Nov 09 2016 03:15 AM Re: Election IGT

fox news is sucking him so hard now he might need to excuse himself to shoot his load somewhere

Edgy MD Nov 09 2016 03:15 AM Re: Election IGT

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I actually walked to the bodega for a 6-pack. Beer or skivvies?

Edgy MD Nov 09 2016 03:40 AM Re: Election IGT

I'm mentally giving him Michigan and Florida and she still holds serve otherwise and she wins 277-259.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 09 2016 03:44 AM Re: Election IGT

Edgy MD wrote: I'm mentally giving him Michigan and Florida and she still holds serve otherwise and she wins 277-259. whew

Mets Guy in Michigan Nov 09 2016 03:47 AM Re: Election IGT Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 09 2016 03:49 AM

North Caroline called for Trump. A report says NY Times now saying Trump has a 91 percent chance of winning. Fascinating. Some of the Michigan congressional seats that were expected to be close or go Dem are going strongly for the GOP candidates.

Ashie62 Nov 09 2016 03:48 AM Re: Election IGT

Edgy MD wrote: I'm mentally giving him Michigan and Florida and she still holds serve otherwise and she wins 277-259. 10 states to call. Michigan Michigan Michigan. FL Mich NC AZ NV and maybe Wisky go red. Sorry.

Ashie62 Nov 09 2016 03:50 AM Re: Election IGT

Dow factoring in Trump win. Futures down 700, dollar down 1 % oil down 6 to 44. Larry Kudlow is giddy.

Ashie62 Nov 09 2016 03:50 AM Re: Election IGT

Mets Guy in Michigan wrote: North Caroline called for Trump. A report says NY Times now saying Trump has a 91 percent chance of winning. Fascinating. Some of the Michigan congressional seats that were expected to be close or go Dem are going strongly for the GOP candidates. Your state makes Trump Prez. wow

metsmarathon Nov 09 2016 03:52 AM Re: Election IGT

good god, america, what have you done...? all these tremendous things better be fucking huge, because we've sold our goddamned soul to get them.

Mets Guy in Michigan Nov 09 2016 03:56 AM Re: Election IGT

Your state makes Trump Prez. wow Not saying that. But I was amazed at the size of the crowd at the rally in Grand Rapids last night. The Republic senator holds on in Wisconsin. Politico saying Trump has just won Florida.

Ashie62 Nov 09 2016 03:56 AM Re: Election IGT

[indent][/indent] metsmarathon wrote: good god, america, what have you done...? all these tremendous things better be fucking huge, because we've sold our goddamned soul to get them. We will prosper. The northeast elite was going to lock things up for the rest of our lives. I'm ok with this.

Edgy MD Nov 09 2016 03:57 AM Re: Election IGT

North Carolina: Voter suppression capital of America.

Ashie62 Nov 09 2016 03:58 AM Re: Election IGT

Mets Guy in Michigan wrote: Your state makes Trump Prez. wow Not saying that. But I was amazed at the size of the crowd at the rally in Grand Rapids last night. The Republic senator holds on in Wisconsin. Politico saying Trump has just won Florida. Carville said Michigan Michigan Michigan.

metirish Nov 09 2016 03:59 AM Re: Election IGT

Trump is going to win this fucking thing

Frayed Knot Nov 09 2016 04:00 AM Re: Election IGT

I'm officially into the vodka.

metirish Nov 09 2016 04:02 AM Re: Election IGT

FLA to Trump , Guardian has him at 201 to 190 , CNN has not called that yet, they have ger ahead

Edgy MD Nov 09 2016 04:07 AM Re: Election IGT

Michigan is it.

Mets Guy in Michigan Nov 09 2016 04:12 AM Re: Election IGT

Edgy MD wrote: Michigan is it. Don't know if this means anything, but the Dems were working hard to take back the state House, and they're falling well short.

Ashie62 Nov 09 2016 04:16 AM Re: Election IGT

Apple and tech will have to bring bucco cash back. Pharma recovers. Down for just a couple day.

metirish Nov 09 2016 04:27 AM Re: Election IGT

Edgy MD wrote: Michigan is it. Clinton closing in big time right now

Edgy MD Nov 09 2016 04:27 AM Re: Election IGT

13,000 vote difference in Michigan, with 61% counted.

Edgy MD Nov 09 2016 04:29 AM Re: Election IGT

Man, there's a serious chance this can go to the House of Representatives. Also, just one of those Maine votes can swing it.

Mets Guy in Michigan Nov 09 2016 04:30 AM Re: Election IGT

Wisconsin goes to Trump.

Mets Guy in Michigan Nov 09 2016 04:32 AM Re: Election IGT

And so does Iowa.

Mets Guy in Michigan Nov 09 2016 04:39 AM Re: Election IGT

Now Georgia.

Edgy MD Nov 09 2016 04:40 AM Re: Election IGT

Twenty-five thousand votes in Michigan.

Edgy MD Nov 09 2016 04:49 AM Re: Election IGT

Michigan slipping.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 09 2016 05:28 AM Re: Election IGT Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 09 2016 05:31 AM

Here's the 538 snake, as of 11:36PM EDT [fimg=555:2ccqo53g]http://i2.wp.com/espnfivethirtyeight.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/snake-1136pm.png?quality=90&strip=all&w=1150&ssl=1[/fimg:2ccqo53g] Trump gets Wisconsin, so HRC needs to run the table of these states: Minnesota, Maine, Michigan, New Hamphsire, Pennsylvania Nevada and probably Arizona.

Edgy MD Nov 09 2016 05:31 AM Re: Election IGT

It's like the assault that's been on against President Obama's agenda, without the personal power of President Obama to defend against it.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 09 2016 05:32 AM Re: Election IGT

This looks like HRC's path: Minnesota, Maine, Michigan, New Hamphsire, Pennsylvania Nevada and probably Arizona. Looks like the Garland blockade is gonna pay off in spades.

Chad Ochoseis Nov 09 2016 05:40 AM Re: Election IGT

Yeah. Nobody's called Wisconsin, but she's down 90,000. The only real possibilities to make that up are Dane and Milwaukee counties. She's up 130,000 in Dane with about 80% reported. So she can make up about 35,000 in Dane if that proportion holds over the remaining 20%. In Milw, she's up 110,000 with 87% reporting. If the proportion holds, she can make up another 15,000. there. So Wisconsin is more or less out of reach for Clinton. Without Wisconsin, she needs Arizona (as well as all the states that are still up for grabs). And Arizona would require a miracle. I'm amazed.

Mets Guy in Michigan Nov 09 2016 06:00 AM Re: Election IGT

I think you might be wrong about Wisconsin.

Chad Ochoseis Nov 09 2016 06:10 AM Re: Election IGT

Meaning you think Hillary still has a shot there? Comforting to hear from an expert - and especially a Republican one - but I'm not counting on it.

Mets Guy in Michigan Nov 09 2016 06:14 AM Re: Election IGT

No, I mean I think Wisconsin was called for Trump a while ago. It's all so close, and seems astonishing at first. But I can understand why some of the Rust Belt states would flip.

Chad Ochoseis Nov 09 2016 06:16 AM Re: Election IGT

Not on Politico or on ABC.

Mets Guy in Michigan Nov 09 2016 06:22 AM Re: Election IGT

Chad Ochoseis wrote: Not on Politico or on ABC. Ah. Didn't know that. I did one of those live from the campaign victory party shots once when I was a reporter. Rick Santorum's Michigan primary on CSPAN. It's kind of a surreal experience. I ended up on the Colbert Report.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 09 2016 06:24 AM Re: Election IGT

Great, We're gonna have a sociopath President who can't go three minutes without telling a lie. What a National embarrassment.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 09 2016 06:47 AM Re: Election IGT

I could go for one of those Grand Macs right about now.

Mets Guy in Michigan Nov 09 2016 06:48 AM Re: Election IGT

Politico just gave Pennsylvania to Trump.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 09 2016 06:49 AM Re: Election IGT

I think the first thing Trump does is to fire the Crane family and put the Trump family in charge of printing the money.

Mets Guy in Michigan Nov 09 2016 07:04 AM Re: Election IGT

Podesta says Clint not conceding.

Chad Ochoseis Nov 09 2016 07:11 AM Re: Election IGT

As Andrea Mitchell noted, she was there for the Gore concession in 2000. She doesn't want to repeat that mistake.

Mets Guy in Michigan Nov 09 2016 07:47 AM Re: Election IGT

Congratulations President-elect Trump.

Fman99 Nov 09 2016 12:33 PM Re: Election IGT

batmagadanleadoff wrote: I could go for one of those Grand Macs right about now. I thought this in the deep dark recesses of the night.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 09 2016 12:49 PM Re: Election IGT

Mets Guy in Michigan wrote: Congratulations President-elect Trump. No offense, but fuck this guy.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 09 2016 01:08 PM Re: Election IGT

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Mets Guy in Michigan wrote: Congratulations President-elect Trump. No offense, but fuck this guy. Whaddya mean "no offense"? Fuck that guy!

Lefty Specialist Nov 09 2016 01:33 PM Re: Election IGT

Now I know how the Red Sox bench felt when the ball went through Buckner's legs. The damage that's going to be done is immeasurable. We just elected a ten-year-old to the most powerful position on earth. So, in two years, when all the jobs haven't come back, then what?

metirish Nov 09 2016 01:35 PM Re: Election IGT

There is a certain numbness at work right now. Lorcan has a school trip to the Intrepid today , seems appropriate , get a good lesson in sacrifice .

d'Kong76 Nov 09 2016 01:36 PM Re: Election IGT

I'm beyond shocked that he pulled it off. Speechless.

Lefty Specialist Nov 09 2016 01:37 PM Re: Election IGT

Mets Guy in Michigan wrote: Congratulations President-elect Trump. Yeah, but now you have to explain to 600,000 low-income Michiganders that they're losing their health care. And yeah, fuck him.

themetfairy Nov 09 2016 01:38 PM Re: Election IGT

Fuck that guy!

Ashie62 Nov 09 2016 01:38 PM Re: Election IGT

With great power comes responsibility. Congratulations President elect Trump.

metsmarathon Nov 09 2016 01:54 PM Re: Election IGT

"YOU MANIACS!"[/bigpurple] ahem... er... "HAIL TO THE CHEETO!"[/bigpurple] uh, crap.. no. pull it together. you got this.... "he's my new boss. uh... yay?" i need to stay ahead of the purges...

batmagadanleadoff Nov 09 2016 02:35 PM Re: Election IGT

HRC moves ahead in the popular vote. FWIW

seawolf17 Nov 09 2016 02:35 PM Re: Election IGT

Lefty Specialist wrote: The damage that's going to be done is immeasurable. We just elected a ten-year-old to the most powerful position on earth. This. I can't believe this actually happened.

Ceetar Nov 09 2016 02:38 PM Re: Election IGT

seawolf17 wrote: Lefty Specialist wrote: The damage that's going to be done is immeasurable. We just elected a ten-year-old to the most powerful position on earth. This. I can't believe this actually happened. This is an insult to 10 year olds, who are probably some of the least racist/sexist/hateful people out there.

Chad Ochoseis Nov 09 2016 02:40 PM Re: Election IGT

batmagadanleadoff wrote: HRC moves ahead in the popular vote. FWIW Was just going to post this. She's currently ahead by 140,000. Nobody seems bothered anymore by the fact that someone can get the most votes in a Presidential election and still lose. Before 2000, I thought the Electoral College was stupid, but just a formality since it was only a theoretical possibility that a candidate could lose the popular vote and win an election. Now, it's happened twice in my lifetime.

Mets Guy in Michigan Nov 09 2016 02:57 PM Re: Election IGT

Lefty Specialist wrote: Mets Guy in Michigan wrote: Congratulations President-elect Trump. Yeah, but now you have to explain to 600,000 low-income Michiganders that they're losing their health care. And yeah, fuck him. They're not going to lose it. You all are angry at all the wrong people. Have some meetings now, but I've been thinking about it and will post later.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 09 2016 03:00 PM Re: Election IGT

And fuck James Comey, too!

MFS62 Nov 09 2016 03:04 PM Re: Election IGT

themetfairy wrote: Fuck that guy! We're the ones who are fucked. Along with a Republican majority in both houses of Congress, I think they will begin to roll back every good social program, thereby really screwing the little people who elected them. They deserve what they get. And, we should all pray for the Health of Donald Trump, because Pense would be worse. Much worse. Later

cooby Nov 09 2016 03:16 PM Re: Election IGT

Mets Guy in Michigan wrote: Mets Guy in Michigan wrote: Congratulations President-elect Trump. Yeah, but now you have to explain to 600,000 low-income Michiganders that they're losing their health care. And yeah, fuck him. They're not going to lose it. You all are angry at all the wrong people. Have some meetings now, but I've been thinking about it and will post later. I hope you are right

Ashie62 Nov 09 2016 04:05 PM Re: Election IGT

Mets Guy in Michigan wrote: Mets Guy in Michigan wrote: Congratulations President-elect Trump. Yeah, but now you have to explain to 600,000 low-income Michiganders that they're losing their health care. And yeah, fuck him. They're not going to lose it. You all are angry at all the wrong people. Have some meetings now, but I've been thinking about it and will post later. They go to medicaid at the worst.

Mets Guy in Michigan Nov 09 2016 04:07 PM Re: Election IGT

Michigan now officially in the Trump column.

metsmarathon Nov 09 2016 04:47 PM Re: Election IGT

well, on the bright side... at least we don't have to worry so much about armed insurrectionist white nationalists taking to the streets in open rebellion.

Edgy MD Nov 09 2016 05:28 PM Re: Election IGT

That's something like what my wife (quite miserable this morning) said. She said that, if nothing else this forces the leviathan to surface and show itself, rather than remaining an unseen terror beneath the surface. For what that's worth. I know it forces me to look to myself and to the grass roots to advance whatever causes I have in my heart, and not rely on government. It's a healthy message, thought it's a pretty wretched delivery system.

Elster88 Nov 09 2016 05:47 PM Re: Election IGT

Mets Guy in Michigan wrote: Michigan now officially in the Trump column. No, no it's not. Looks like third parties more than covered the difference between HRC and Trump in Florida and Wisconsin, and will in Michigan regardless of result. For whatever you want to take from that.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 09 2016 05:53 PM Re: Election IGT

Mets Guy in Michigan wrote: Michigan now officially in the Trump column. How icky that must feel

Lefty Specialist Nov 09 2016 06:08 PM Re: Election IGT

I guess Obama should have told the auto industry to go F itself back in 2009.

cooby Nov 09 2016 06:08 PM Re: Election IGT

Ashie62 wrote: Mets Guy in Michigan wrote: Mets Guy in Michigan wrote: Congratulations President-elect Trump. Yeah, but now you have to explain to 600,000 low-income Michiganders that they're losing their health care. And yeah, fuck him. They're not going to lose it. You all are angry at all the wrong people. Have some meetings now, but I've been thinking about it and will post later. They go to medicaid at the worst. Weeeeelllll...hasn't that been around as an option all along?

Ceetar Nov 09 2016 07:14 PM Re: Election IGT

Edgy MD wrote: That's something like what my wife (quite miserable this morning) said. She said that, if nothing else this forces the leviathan to surface and show itself, rather than remaining an unseen terror beneath the surface. For what that's worth. I know it forces me to look to myself and to the grass roots to advance whatever causes I have in my heart, and not rely on government. It's a healthy message, thought it's a pretty wretched delivery system. I'm not convinced this'll shake anything up. Much like there were a few years early in the Obama administration with a democratic congress and I don't think we got enough out of it, and certainly not anything to fix the system so things like gerrymandering and voter rights acts and simply fair and equal voting weren't issues. I don't see them fixing them while not in power. That's what's most galling. Can talk about pushing forth grass roots stuff all you want, and there's certainly some hope for that stuff, but the system is rigged.

Edgy MD Nov 09 2016 07:18 PM Re: Election IGT

Well the purpose of "grass roots stuff" is to organize, work, and advocate for systemic change. As for re-districting justice, the president has announced this to be a focus of his post-presidency mission.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 09 2016 07:43 PM Re: Election IGT

Edgy MD wrote: As for re-districting justice, the president has announced this to be a focus of his post-presidency mission. Really? I guess I missed that. That sounds like a worthwhile effort to take on. It's a big project; it has to be done state-by-state unless there's a Constitutional amendment, which I doubt would ever happen. Of course, going state-by-state doesn't mean fifty states; there are many with only one or two districts, and it's much harder to gerrymander with only two districts, and not applicable at all with only one.

Edgy MD Nov 09 2016 07:49 PM Re: Election IGT

"Obama's post-presidency political focus: Redistricting" It'll obviously take a bipartisan effort (and yes, perhaps a Constitutional one)or else it's just more of the same push-and-pull. But it's certainly worthwhile.

Rockin' Doc Nov 10 2016 03:50 AM Re: Election IGT

d'Kong76 wrote: TransMonk wrote: I still had to give my name, show ID and sign the book, which took under a minute. There is a separate line to register same-day here. We don't show ID but I think they have the right to ask for it. We don't have same-day registration here, last day to register in NY was 10/14. I find this interesting. All you have to in North Carolina is tell the person your name, address, and date of birth; they check you off a list as they hand you a ballot. The proposed law that caused so much controversy, with claims of discriminating against minorities and the poor, simply would have required that a prospective voter present a photo ID (Drivers license, Military ID, NC photo ID from DMV for non-drivers, etc). Crazy to me that all that a person needs to know is someone's name, address, and birthday in order to potentially vote in their name. I personally, never understood the controversy that arose over a law requiring a photo ID to vote.

Nymr83 Nov 10 2016 05:28 AM Re: Election IGT

On the less sinister side of things, the Left relies on voters who don't have the foresight to actually get an ID and can be convinced to show up and vote - hence all the talk of Clinton's "ground game" - a more sinister interpretation would be that they prefer to make fraud easier, but you don't even need to go there to see why they'd be against laws, no matter how common sense they may seem, that make voting marginally harder.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 10 2016 07:07 AM Re: Election IGT

cooby wrote: Ashie62 wrote: Mets Guy in Michigan wrote: Mets Guy in Michigan wrote: Congratulations President-elect Trump. Yeah, but now you have to explain to 600,000 low-income Michiganders that they're losing their health care. And yeah, fuck him. They're not going to lose it. You all are angry at all the wrong people. Have some meetings now, but I've been thinking about it and will post later. They go to medicaid at the worst. Weeeeelllll...hasn't that been around as an option all along? No, no it hasn't. We're talking about people who are too "rich" for Medicaid, but by any other objective measurement, still poor. This is a tragedy FAR beyond our-guy-lost bullshit.

Lefty Specialist Nov 10 2016 01:00 PM Re: Election IGT

Without Obamacare, the funding from the Federal Government to pay for the states' expansion of Medicare goes away. So unless the state of Michigan is going to pony up for it (which I doubt), those people lose health care. And that'll be repeated all over the country. Every state that expanded Medicaid under Obamacare will have to make that choice. Just one of the many disasters we can look forward to. And in other worries, every property with the Trump name on it will be a prime terrorist target now. You think ISIS would like to fly a plane into Trump Tower?

Fman99 Nov 10 2016 01:16 PM Re: Election IGT

Lefty Specialist wrote: And in other worries, every property with the Trump name on it will be a prime terrorist target now. You think ISIS would like to fly a plane into Trump Tower? We should rename all of his branding as "Orange Haired Shitdick," to dissuade such attacks. I bet the Orange Haired Shitdick Casino would be safe from harm.

Lefty Specialist Nov 10 2016 01:20 PM Re: Election IGT

I walk past the Trump Soho Hotel twice a day. So I have a stake here. Yeah, 'Orange Haired Shitdick Soho Hotel' sounds better.

Mets Willets Point Nov 10 2016 08:22 PM Re: Election IGT

Weird to have the name of the putative President on buildings across the country, especially really gaudy ones. Seems very 3rd-World Dictator. Can't think of a precedent for it in the U.S.

Edgy MD Nov 10 2016 09:20 PM Re: Election IGT

[fimg=650:wqv083fe]http://ronjona.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/IMG_5390-e1358374035836.jpg[/fimg:wqv083fe] Old Abe was great, but I always thought it was tacky the way he was pushing luxury sedans on the side.

Mets Guy in Michigan Nov 10 2016 09:38 PM Re: Election IGT

Lefty Specialist wrote: Without Obamacare, the funding from the Federal Government to pay for the states' expansion of Medicare goes away. So unless the state of Michigan is going to pony up for it (which I doubt), those people lose health care. I think the plan has always been to have the states gradually assume the cost of that expansion. My guess is that any changes would focus on the parts that aren't working rather than quickly dismantling the parts that are. No one wants to see 600,000 people lose their coverage.

Lefty Specialist Nov 11 2016 02:15 AM Re: Election IGT

Donald Trump and Paul Ryan do. The federal government paid 100% of the cost of the Medicaid expansion for the first 3 years and 90% of the cost every year after that. That's why all Democratic and some Republican governors jumped at it. Now that that support goes away, keeping that expansion will blow a hole in your budget. Those 600,000 people will be shitcanned as soon as the money stops coming.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 11 2016 02:59 AM Re: Election IGT

Paul Ryan won't stop at Obamacare. His plan to dismantle Social Security is the most dangerous one ever proposed by someone as high up in the political hierarchy as Ryan is. If Ryan has his way, SS would be mostly shredded, and what's left would be privatized so that the institutionalized criminality that is Wall Street -- mobsters with briefcases instead of guns -- could eventually engineer another scam -- this one to grab whatever remains in that fund.

Lefty Specialist Nov 11 2016 02:18 PM Re: Election IGT

Bush tried to privatize SS in 2005, after winning an election and having a Republican House and Senate. It failed miserably. Even in a Trump/Ryan administration, it won't happen. They don't call it the 'third rail' for nothing. They'll tinker around the edges, but they won't go all-in.

Edgy MD Nov 11 2016 02:34 PM Re: Election IGT

And President Bush tried to make it (1) optional, and (2) limited — allowing folks the choice to drop a minority of their Social Security savings in the stock market. Didn't work. I don't think anybody knows what to do about Social Security. The Republicans have ideas and the Democrats, for better or for worse, fight like hell to keep those ideas from coming to pass — sort of the opposite of the dynamic on so many other issues.

Lefty Specialist Nov 11 2016 02:36 PM Re: Election IGT

There's an incredibly easy fix, one that has absolutely no chance of passing in the current climate. Lift the cap on the Social Security tax from $118,000. It's fixed. Forever.

Vic Sage Nov 11 2016 02:46 PM Re: Election IGT

Lefty Specialist wrote: There's an incredibly easy fix, one that has absolutely no chance of passing in the current climate. Lift the cap on the Social Security tax from $118,000. It's fixed. Forever. exactly. There is a solution, and all it takes is the upper class paying the same proportion of SS taxes as everybody else. Wild concept, i know. It took a team of actuaries decades to conceive this hair-brained scheme, with the help of HAL9000. Or, you know, a kid in a schoolyard, going "hey, that's not fair!"

Edgy MD Nov 11 2016 03:00 PM Re: Election IGT

I'll take that.

Lefty Specialist Nov 11 2016 03:20 PM Re: Election IGT

The Social Security fix is so incredibly easy, and for decades we've been trying to raise the retirement age to extend the trust fund's solvency. The solution's been right there under our nose the entire time, and everybody knows it- Republicans, Democrats, every president for the last 40 years. Hell, even Donald Trump probably knows it. Paul Ryan certainly does. So when people blubber about how they have to cut Social Security to save it, they're full of shit. The answer is easy. Doing it is hard.