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J-E-T-S 2017

Nymr83 Jan 19 2017 09:14 PM

Let us kick off another year of losing an disappointment with a new thread! So far this offseason the Jets have overpaid Brian Winters, making him the 5th highest paid Right Guard in the league for an average player (with some room to improve at least) who has 3/4 of a season of good play under his belt. Woody Johnson has been named an ambassador - does this mean we'll be giving up future home games to play in London in front of the owner? I'm glad he will be around to meddle less. My feelings on the offense (will do defense later) - overall, I want to see the Jets rebuild - cut bait on older players, bring in guys who may still be here in a few years if they work out rather than guys playing out the last couple of years of their career. QUARTERBACK this is a mess. and its not just a mess, its a flaming-bag-of-crap mess. Injuries to Smith and Petty robbed them of full auditions. We saw enough "Bad Geno" over the years to have rally lost faith but he was still the most physically talented of the 4(!) on the roster and I would have liked to see him finish out the year as I was more intrigued by him than anyone else. Petty might be ok, he might be terrible, but I don't think he is good. Hackenberg was an absolute waste of a 2nd round pick. I would personally go the rebuild route - Free Agent Mike Glennon looks attractive as a stop-gap and a guy who can potentially grow - but isn't worth an Osweiler-esque overpay. Otherwise, be patient and don’t throw money at has-been (looking at you, Romo) on what shouldn't be a "win-now" team. I don't know if there is a QB in the draft or not, but if the Jets think there is they need to take him without worrying about the wasted Hackenberg pick. RUNNING BACK Powell is good, the Jets had a steal re-signing him last offseason and I want him as the starter. He already IS the player I'd hoped Forte would be. Forte is fine as the backup. We're all set here. WIDE RECEIVER I wouldn't mind sending Marshall on his way - he still has some value but had his best year with Fitz who wont be back and could easily become an unnecessary distraction/malcontent as he was in Denver and Chicago. Decker will be back from injury and Enunwa really emerged. I'd like to see more from Anderson/Peake/Marshall. Cut bait with D.Smith - he couldnt even see the field over undrafted rookies. OFFENSIVE LINE Mangold is getting old, Clady already is, and we ended the year with 4 of the 5 guys who started it injured. I think Ijalani showed he doesn’t suck, which is something. This should be a major position of need for the Jets in the draft - get young and start building the line again.

MFS62 Jan 19 2017 10:55 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

You're right. The greatest quarterback in the history of baseball never completed a pass from a prone position. It all starts with the offensive line, which has been a major area of neglect in the last 2 or 3 drafts. Everything starts from there and improving it should be a priority this off season. As posted in another thread, Owner Woody Johnson will be named Ambassador to England this week. I hope the person to he gives the team to manage knows something about football. (Which would be a refreshing change from Woody) Later

Lefty Specialist Jan 20 2017 11:05 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Finally, a Trump appointment I can get behind! Anything that gets Woody Johnson out of the country is good news for the Jets.

HahnSolo Jan 20 2017 01:25 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Isn't the speculation that Woody will turn over day to day operations of the team to his brother?

MFS62 Jan 20 2017 02:31 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

HahnSolo wrote: Isn't the speculation that Woody will turn over day to day operations of the team to his brother? Y'mean Darryl's other brother Daryl? Later

Vic Sage Jan 20 2017 05:17 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

[u:10201zrq]to be cut:[/u:10201zrq] LT Clady: sucked and injured (cap savings = $10m) CB Revis: they may get him to reduce down to the $6m cap hit on a 1-year/make good deal, and switch to FS. If not, cut him (save $9m either way); FS Gilchrist: sucked and injured ($6m) CB Skrine: sucked ($6m) RT Giacomini: sucked ($4.5m) QB Fitz: gone, but no cap savings [u:10201zrq]possible cuts:[/u:10201zrq] C Mangold: hard to replace, but he's too hurt too much ($9m) WR BMarshall: probably not worth it ($7.5m) ILBHarris: keep; he's still productive and is a real leader on that team ($6.5m) K Folk: mediocre ($3m) ILB Henderson: decent, but hurt ($2.5m) TE Seferian-Jenkins: showed nothing ($1m) WR Smith: has been passed by undrafted FAs ($1m) SO cap savings of $35-$65m possibly available to reinvest. Other moves -- [u:10201zrq]OFFENSE:[/u:10201zrq] QB: Fitz and Smith are gone; Petty is (at best) a backup, and Hackenberg a total waste. -They need to trade/draft a starting QB: Glennon? Taylor? oy. No obvious solutions. Offensive Line: -they like Shell at RT, so he'll replace Giacomini; -they've already re-signed RG Winters; -Wes Johnson backs up Mangold adequately, and Mangold may be back; -Carpenter has been great at LG; -LT? They need one. Desperately! Maybe draft? RB: Powell and Forte are adequate; TE: they picked up Sefarian-Jenkins but may not keep him. if not, they can either use Enunwa as an WR/TE/H-Back hybrid, or draft/trade for one; WR: Decker will be back, but B.Marshall may not. Enunwa ready to start at WR2, and young receivers have potential (Anderson, Peake, J.Marshall,D.Smith) [u:10201zrq]DEFENSE:[/u:10201zrq] D-Line: Wilkerson, McLendon and Williams are set; Richardson may get traded. D.Simon has upside; LB: Harris is old and expensive, but still productive. Lee is fast, but that's it. Henderson is decent when healthy. Jenkins was "eh" and Mauldin a disappointment. -They need to draft an Edge rusher (still); CB: Revis either renegotiates contract and moves to FS or he's gone; Skrine was bad and probably gone; McDougle and Roberts are worthless; M.Williams and rookie Burris showed enough to keep. -They need to draft/sign some good CBs; FS/SS: Pryor was disappointing but still has upside; Gilchrist was awful and likely gone; Miles and Middleton are adequate depth. - If Revis doesn't move to FS, they need to sign/draft one; [u:10201zrq]SPECIAL TEAMS:[/u:10201zrq] P: They'll probably keep Edwards around to see if he develops K: Folk is in decline; if they cut him, they'll need to draft/sign one LS: I guess old man Purdum is still around; PR/KR: J.Marshall was a turnover machine. -They need to find a returner. Maybe D.Smith? 2017 draft/FA needs (in order): QB,LT,CB,LB/Edge,FS,TE,K

MFS62 Jan 20 2017 11:17 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

As per Vic: they like Shell at RT, so he'll replace Giacomini; When he was signed, the scouting report on Giacomini was (I paraphrase, but its pretty close), "Not a good pass blocker and not physical enough for the running game." The scout who wrote that was a master of the understatement. Later

Ashie62 Jan 21 2017 12:08 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Gastineau at age 60 has been diagnosed with Dementia, Alzheimers and Parkinsons. [url]http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/ex-jets-great-mark-gastineau-diagnosed-with-dementia-alzheimers-and-parkinsons/

Nymr83 Jan 21 2017 02:45 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

TE Seferian-Jenkins: showed nothing ($1m) This is your only cut I disagree with - the Jets have nothing at TE, I don't want to waste a pick with so many other needs, he used to look talented, he isnt expensive and he isnt old. i'm not going to care much if they cut him, but given the choice i'd keep him around for training camp and see what happens. 2017 draft/FA needs (in order): QB,LT,CB,LB/Edge,FS,TE,K QB - but dont take a Hackenberg - if you dont like the guys available when you draft then build the team up elsewhere instead of gambling on a guy you dont even believe in LT - or RT or LG or even C, if there is an O-libeman they like high they should pounce - its a position of need and, unlike some of the positions where a guys prime is 5-7 years could produce a 10+ year starter. the Ferguson/Mangold draft remains the best draft the Jets have ever had. CB - yeah, I'm on board with that, but its easier to "miss" here in the early rounds than it is at OL Edge rusher? i think the Jets are cursed to never find one at this point.

Vic Sage Jan 23 2017 04:38 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

TE Seferian-Jenkins: showed nothing ($1m) This is your only cut I disagree with - the Jets have nothing at TE, I don't want to waste a pick with so many other needs, he used to look talented, he isnt expensive and he isnt old. i'm not going to care much if they cut him, but given the choice i'd keep him around for training camp and see what happens. 2017 draft/FA needs (in order): QB,LT,CB,LB/Edge,FS,TE,K QB - but dont take a Hackenberg - if you dont like the guys available when you draft then build the team up elsewhere instead of gambling on a guy you dont even believe in LT - or RT or LG or even C, if there is an O-libeman they like high they should pounce - its a position of need and, unlike some of the positions where a guys prime is 5-7 years could produce a 10+ year starter. the Ferguson/Mangold draft remains the best draft the Jets have ever had. CB - yeah, I'm on board with that, but its easier to "miss" here in the early rounds than it is at OL Edge rusher? i think the Jets are cursed to never find one at this point. I put Sefarian-Jenkins in the "possible cuts" list, not the "must cut" list, and i do think it's possible. But I also agree with you that he still has upside and isn't expensive, so unless a TE falls into our lap on draft day, i agree that we have other needs, particularly with how they can use Enunwa in the H-Back role, if other WRs develop. And i agree, they shouldn't reach for a QB unless they really believe he can be a franchise quarterback (and not a "project", but someone with demonstrable skills and accomplishments). I don't really follow college ball much, so i don't know the players, but the QBs at the top of everybody's rankings are Trubisky (NC), Watson (Clemson) and Kizer (ND), and some also mention Mahomes (TxTch) as possible first rounders. Are any of them worth the #6 pick? They are if McCagnan thinks they can be a solid starting NFL QB in fairly short order. But its likely somebody will take them, if not us. YEs, any OL will do; i just say LT because its the most critical position, and the one where we have the most glaring need right now. We have Gs and a C signed to large contracts, and they've got their guy at RT, so LT is the big hole. Yes, we've gotten burned with our CB picks in recent years, but we also got Revis with that pick, and its too important a position to pass up on because we're fearful of another bust. Edge Rusher? yes, most teams need one. That being said, we get good push up the middle from our DL, and we have 2 young guys at OLB who can still develop, so i don't know that they go that way unless they're in love with somebody. Particularly since i've read that this is a particularly deep class of edge rushers, so a good one might still be available in the 2nd or 3rd round. I think the best strategy for Gang Green this year is that, unless somebody drops to them like Myles Garrett, they trade back and pick up more picks. They need to rebuild and they have a lot of holes.

Nymr83 Jan 23 2017 07:45 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

they trade back and pick up more picks. They need to rebuild and they have a lot of holes. thats basically where i'm at, this is a rebuild not a repair job and the Jets need to bring in as many good young players as they can.

MFS62 Feb 11 2017 01:33 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Its official. http://sports.yahoo.com/news/fitzpatric ... --spt.html Bye bye Fitzpatrick. Later

Ashie62 Feb 12 2017 01:53 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

I'd like to see them go for a franchise QB. Mitch Trubisky of NC is a popular pick at the moment.

Nymr83 Feb 12 2017 03:08 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Ryan Leaf was popular, so was JaMarcus Russell. The Jets themselves traded up for Mark Sanchez and Washington gave up a King's bounty for Robert Griffin. Yes, QB is a huge need, but there is only one thing worse than continuing to have a need at quarterback - and that is using lots of resources on one who is NOT the answer. Is the answer in this year's draft? I don't know. But don't pick a QB just because you need one.

Vic Sage Feb 17 2017 03:55 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

draft for talent, production and projection before you draft for need. Need is a tie-breaker only. If we drafted for need 2 years ago, we wouldn't have taken Leonard Williams.

d'Kong76 Feb 18 2017 01:14 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Looks like they can part ways with Revis the easy way now... thanks!!

Nymr83 Feb 19 2017 07:37 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

d'Kong76 wrote: Looks like they can part ways with Revis the easy way now... thanks!! Just when you thought someone was not the typical criminal NFL player he goes and proves you wrong!

Vic Sage Feb 23 2017 02:54 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

oh how the mighty have fallen. The Jets have a problem, though. It's my understanding that if they cut Revis before paying him his $2m roster bonus due in a week or so, he'll still be on the cap for about $6m of dead money, and they won't be able to void the deal afterwards, if he gets convicted of anything, because they will have already cut him. They can't void a contract they will have already terminated. However, if they pay him the $2m, they may have a chance to void the deal later in its entirety, giving them more cap space. But if it turns out they can't void the deal, they'll have paid him $2m on top of having $6m of dead cap space.

MFS62 Feb 23 2017 03:57 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Vic Sage wrote: oh how the mighty have fallen. The Jets have a problem, though. It's my understanding that if they cut Revis before paying him his $2m roster bonus due in a week or so, he'll still be on the cap for about $6m of dead money, and they won't be able to void the deal afterwards, if he gets convicted of anything, because they will have already cut him. They can't void a contract they will have already terminated. However, if they pay him the $2m, they may have a chance to void the deal later in its entirety, giving them more cap space. But if it turns out they can't void the deal, they'll have paid him $2m on top of having $6m of dead cap space. I read a few days ago that he says he will retire if he is cut. In baseball, a player would forfeit future years of his contract. I don't know how that works with the NFL cap. Later

Frayed Knot Feb 23 2017 04:37 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 23 2017 11:20 PM

If the NFL there's no such thing as future years of your contract - those years exist in concept but not in reality so retired or cut essentially mean the same thing: you get zero or you get zero, take your pick. The only difference might be if there was a signing bonus involved in which case the player not only won't get the future money but he might wind up having to pay back some of the money he's already received on account of the fact that he retired prior to the deal having ended. At least if he's cut then the team loses the right to try and claim back any portion of the signing bonus. What all that means as far as how it counts against the salary cap I have no friggin idea.

Vic Sage Feb 23 2017 10:16 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

to be cut: LT Clady: sucked and injured (cap savings = $10m) CB Revis: they may get him to reduce down to the $6m cap hit on a 1-year/make good deal, and switch to FS. If not, cut him (save $9m either way); FS Gilchrist: sucked and injured ($6m) CB Skrine: sucked ($6m) RT Giacomini: sucked ($4.5m) QB Fitz: gone, but no cap savings possible cuts: C Mangold: hard to replace, but he's too hurt too much ($9m) WR BMarshall: probably not worth it ($7.5m) ILBHarris: keep; he's still productive and is a real leader on that team ($6.5m) K Folk: mediocre ($3+m) ILB Henderson: decent, but hurt ($2.5m) TE Seferian-Jenkins: showed nothing ($1m) WR Smith: has been passed by undrafted FAs ($1m) So they've just cut Giacomini and Folk, saving nearly $8 million. Plus they had already saved $10 million by releasing Clady. So we're up to $18 million in savings on the cap. Next up: Mr. Revis?

Vic Sage Mar 01 2017 08:19 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

to be cut: LT Clady: sucked and injured (cap savings = $10m) CB Revis: they may get him to reduce down to the $6m cap hit on a 1-year/make good deal, and switch to FS. If not, cut him (save $9m either way); FS Gilchrist: sucked and injured ($6m) CB Skrine: sucked ($6m) RT Giacomini: sucked ($4.5m) QB Fitz: gone, but no cap savings possible cuts: C Mangold: hard to replace, but he's too hurt too much ($9m) WR BMarshall: probably not worth it ($7.5m) ILBHarris: keep; he's still productive and is a real leader on that team ($6.5m) K Folk: mediocre ($3+m) ILB Henderson: decent, but hurt ($2.5m) TE Seferian-Jenkins: showed nothing ($1m) WR Smith: has been passed by undrafted FAs ($1m) The dominoes keep falling. Now its Mangold and Revis added to the pile. Cap savings so far= $38M. Next up? Gilchrist, Marshall and/or Skrine? Mr. Marshall, white courtesy telephone please! Upon further review, when you take out the dead money and consider the current cap of $167m, the jets have about $26+m in cap space now. They have potential for $19m more savings by cutting Marshall, Gilchrist and Harris. Richardson's $8m deal has some trade value, so they won't just cut him.

MFS62 Mar 02 2017 12:40 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Sounds like a plan. I hope they spend wisely. Later

Nymr83 Mar 02 2017 03:02 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

i hope they roll forward the maximum allowed amount because they arent contending this year.

Nymr83 Apr 23 2017 01:28 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

4 days until the draft. will the Jets miss horribly on another QB "prospect"? take another defensive lineman they don't need? or finally make good picks? I'm rooting for Malik Hooker, because who doesnt want that jersey?

Ashie62 Apr 23 2017 03:47 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

My guess is they trade the 6 to the Browns for their one and prizes who take Trubisky and we get DeShaun Watson QB Clemson. The guy I would want? Leonard Fournette RB LSU. Guy we get? Malik Hooker.

Vic Sage Apr 24 2017 02:44 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

i'm hoping they can trade down unless Jamal Adams is sitting there at 6. It's unlikely, but certainly possible. He seems a blue-chip can't miss player, with strong leadership quality, at a position of need. Hooker fills a need too, but his injury history worries me, as does Lattimore. Garrett and Thomas are unlikely to fall to 6, but i'd certainly take either of them. Allen? That's tough because, while he'd be a value pick, it'd be another DT, which is the one position they don't need. Leonard Williams was a different matter; he was the Garrett of his draft, so it would've been crazy to pass on him at the slot that they got him. Allen? Not quite. Fournette? I'm not convinced he's a game changer, and he'd have to be to pick a RB this high, with adequate backs already on the roster. There are some who think the other 2 backs are also legit 1st rounders, so they could be had later if we traded back. Trubisky? no. please god, no. Watson, even less so, but I could see taking a shot at Mahomes if we trade back. Speaking of trading back: If Trubisky is there at 6, does Cleveland call McCagnan? Maybe. Probably. For what? Just the #12 and #33 picks? That's what the chart says (more or less), but if Cleveland is hot for the 1st QB off the board, why shouldn't they pay whatever teams pay for the top QB in a class? What was the price for the last few QBs people traded up to get? I'm not sure, but it certainly included multiple 1st rounders. If we get an offer like that, then yes, its a no-brainer. But if Cleveland is willing to wait and see if he falls to them, then the best we can hope for is #12 and #33. What about Houston? All they need is a QB to be a strong playoff team. Is either Trubisky or Watson ready to lead Houston on day 1? Probably not. They'd be better off signing Kapernick and then taking whatever guy falls to them at 25. So its easy to say "trade down", but you need a partner for that. And that will require some team that is passionate about one of these QBs. And if such a team is out there, then they could trade with TN for the #5 pick, or even SF at #2, and the Jets would have no suitors. What does the #6 pick + maybe Richardson get us? If it can get us a mid-1st, and some 2nd and 3rd rounders, then yes, maybe its doable. But if Garrett, Thomas or Adams fall, i'd keep the pick.

Ashie62 Apr 24 2017 03:40 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

I have read elsewhere the Sheldon Richardson gets us a 4th round pick on his own.

Vic Sage Apr 24 2017 04:06 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Ashie62 wrote: I have read elsewhere the Sheldon Richardson gets us a 4th round pick on his own. They would get a 3rd rounder just by letting him walk away after the season, so they're not going to trade him for a 4th rounder.

Ashie62 Apr 24 2017 04:22 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Just need Shotgun Sheldon to behave better, at least in NJ.

Nymr83 Apr 28 2017 12:30 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Chicago trades up to take Trubisky 2nd, which is good because I didnt want him.

Ashie62 Apr 28 2017 12:54 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Tennessee take a WR from Western Michigan and the Jets get. Jamal Adams S LSU Possibly the Best Available Athlete of all tonight. Well done.

Nymr83 Apr 28 2017 12:54 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

i'm happy enough with that

MFS62 Apr 28 2017 01:20 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

For the second year in a row, the "best player in the draft" dropped into their laps. Maybe things ARE turning around. I still think the best pass defense is putting the opposing QB on his ass before he releases the ball. But all reports say he is a special talent. And you can't have too many of those. Later

Fman99 Apr 28 2017 01:42 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

The ESPN wonks sure did approve of the Jets pick. Which is encouraging, I guess.

Nymr83 Apr 28 2017 02:26 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

MFS62 wrote: For the second year in a row, the "best player in the draft" dropped into their laps. Maybe things ARE turning around. I still think the best pass defense is putting the opposing QB on his ass before he releases the ball. But all reports say he is a special talent. And you can't have too many of those. Later you are thinking of Williams 2 years ago. last year was Lee - hardly a steal, hopefully a good player

MFS62 Apr 28 2017 02:11 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Yup. 2 out of 3. Lee has been easy to forget. Later

Vic Sage Apr 28 2017 08:25 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

i'm hoping they can trade down unless Jamal Adams is sitting there at 6. It's unlikely, but certainly possible. He seems a blue-chip can't miss player, with strong leadership quality, at a position of need. needless to say, i was quite happy about our 1st round selection. As soon as Chicago moved up for Trubisky, i started grinning. Then, when Tennessee took the WR, i started jumping up and down, but just a little. The Jets were on the clock and there was still a chance they would do something incredibly stupid... in fact, the odds were good that they would fuck it up. And then they didn't fuck up. WHOOPEE! I started doing laps around the living room, scaring the dog and annoying the wife. Now comes rounds 2 and 3, with 3 picks and 3 more chances to fuck it up. with those 3 picks, i'd like to see a CB (Kevin King, Moreau), a TE (Shaheen, Butt), an OL (Lamp, Robinson, Elfein, Pocic, Moton), and/or an edge rusher (T.Willliams, Lawson, Bowser, D.Rivers, R.Anderson,J.Willis), but if the QB Peterman is still available in the 3rd, i wouldn't mind them taking him. He could probably start for the Jets this season and be an upgrade over what they have... which isn't saying much, but its something.

Ashie62 Apr 29 2017 12:09 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

2 brings us anoher free safety, Marcus Maye of Florida. Terrific athlete but two free safeties. I was hoping for Joe Mixon.

Frayed Knot Apr 29 2017 12:20 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

My favorite part of the draft so far is that both McCaffrey & Fournette went high despite their blowing off whatever meaningless Bowl Game they were each supposed to play in December. Half the college football press went ape-shit over it when it happened at least in part because it represents a small sliver of freedom for college players who are otherwise virtual serfs.

MFS62 Apr 29 2017 12:37 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Well, Vic, you're close. They DID draft another defensive back. I'm not sure either of them can play corner. But the best safeties on the world can't stay with the receiver forever. A defense needs to put the opposing QB in a prone position, and the Jets are lousy at sacking the quarterback. Later

Nymr83 Apr 29 2017 02:28 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Frayed Knot wrote: My favorite part of the draft so far... Is now Tony Richardson (former Jets Fullback) announcing the third round selection and spelling Jets as "J-E-T-E" - hilarious how dumb these guys are.

MFS62 Apr 29 2017 02:38 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Nymr83 wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: My favorite part of the draft so far... Is now Tony Richardson (former Jets Fullback) announcing the third round selection and spelling Jets as "J-E-T-E" - hilarious how dumb these guys are. And one announcer earlier didn't say the year. He just said "In the 20.. NFL Draft ... " Funny. At least it looks like the Jets got another decent player. a wide receiver. A big question now is who will throw the ball to him. Later

Ashie62 Apr 29 2017 04:22 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

That was Drew Pearson screwing up while antagonizing Eagles fans.

Ashie62 Apr 29 2017 04:27 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Jets take WR Ardarius Stewart 5'11 204 (small) from Alabama. CBS grades the pick a B I have read on the interweb more than once that the Jets were happy with the development of QB Christian Hackenburg from Penn State. I would guess he will get Bryce Petty's reps and may be their guy at some point.

Ashie62 Apr 29 2017 05:59 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Round 4 Chad Hansen | WR, California Height: 6-2 Weight: 202 Very good value this late in the fourth round, Hansen is a very mechanically sound receiver who can stretch the defense and has few holes in his game. Great pick by the Jets, just don´t know who will throw to him. A+

Ashie62 Apr 29 2017 08:10 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Round 5 Jordan Leggett | TE, Clemson Height: 6-6 Weight: 258 A very productive tight end for Watson, Leggett is a quality receiving threat but doesn´t give you much as a blocker. B

Ashie62 Apr 29 2017 08:13 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Round 5 #2 Dylan Donahue | OLB, West Georgia Height: 6-3 Weight: 248 An instinctual/high effort Division II pass rusher who will be a 25-year-old-rookie, but has been productive wherever he´s played. Another depth prospect for the Jets. B-

Ashie62 Apr 29 2017 08:15 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Round 6 Dylan Donahue | OLB, West Georgia Height: 6-3 Weight: 248 An instinctual/high effort Division II pass rusher who will be a 25-year-old-rookie, but has been productive wherever he´s played. Another depth prospect for the Jets. B-

Ashie62 Apr 29 2017 08:29 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Round 6 #2 Jeremy Clark | CB, Michigan Height: 6-3 Weight: 220 A three-year starter at both strong safety and cornerback with elite size for the position at 6-foot-3 and 220 pounds. Some durability concerns after a torn ACL in 2016. B-

Ashie62 Apr 29 2017 11:12 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Round 6 #3 Derrick Jones | CB, Ole Miss Height: 6-2 Weight: 188 A raw cornerback prospect with good size and athleticism. Will need some time to develop and will likely need to contribute on special teams. C-

Ashie62 Apr 29 2017 11:15 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

15 more picks and we have a team!

MFS62 Apr 30 2017 01:20 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

I think the Jets GM must have been sexually abused as a child by an offensive tackle. That's why he still refuses to utter those words, especially on draft day. The Jets have needed to improve their offensive line for several years, and he still hasn't drafted one. Later

Ashie62 Apr 30 2017 04:50 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Definite lack of "big bodies."

metirish May 01 2017 01:40 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

I am useless at this stuff, but the consensus on the local teams?, good, bad , filled needed holes? My friend who is a Raiders fan was adamant that no one would draft the kid accused of rape , felt bad for him.....next day, well,maybe he's innocent

Frayed Knot May 01 2017 01:55 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

metirish wrote: I am useless at this stuff, ... So is everyone else. You're just the one honest enough to admit it.

Nymr83 May 01 2017 04:03 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

the experts say the Jets got good value with all their picks - a team with this many holes couldn't avoid filling a few in the process, but they didn't reach to fill the biggest ones (QB, CB, OL)

Vic Sage May 01 2017 09:50 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

I'm not thrilled -- 1: Adams (S) - of course, a no-brainer; I was very happy to see him fall to us. 2: Maye (S) - ? He's not a true free safety, so i'm not sure he'll compliment Adams so much as duplicate him, leaving WRs uncovered deep, with neither of them real ballhawks. Solid value pick, but i'd rather have had a CB in this spot, who can cover deep, man-to-man 3: Stuart (WR) - ? They've got a dozen young WRs with potential. Why another one, when we have no starting TE, a questionable OL, and still need a CB? In fact, they traded DOWN and the Vikings took a solid OL/Center (Elfein) in their slot, who i would've preferred. Stuart might be a good punt returner, but you don't take a special teams guy with a 3rd round pick. 4: Hansen (WR) -? We trade down again. WTF? there were 2 decent TE prospects here: Butt and Kittle. But they take ANOTHER WR? Again, supposedly good value, but so would have been one of those TEs. Oh and they pick up another late round pick. whoop-de-damn-do 5: Leggett (TE) - ?? So THIS is the TE we get stuck with in the 5th R? By all reports, he's big, can catch, but won't block and is a lazy dog. Yet another move down because McCagnan apparently loves 6th round picks. Because, you know, so many starters come out of the 6th round. 5: Donahue (DE-OLB) - our 2nd 5th rounder is an undersized pass-rushing DE who'll have to play OLB in the NFL. He's probably another STer, but he apparently has "a good motor", as they say, so fine, whatever 6: McGuire (RB) - scatback. Ok, but not blazing speed, not big. another special teamer,/return guy, but that's ok with a 6th round pick 6, 6: Clark & Jones (CBs) - We double up again, this time for 2 large CBs; developmental projects and STers. But what else do you get in the 6th round? so we trade down 4 times, including drafting out of 7th round for a pick next year, and end up picking up 2 more late round picks. Based on the "pick value" chart, we actually came out at a net loss with all these trades, sacrificing draft position in the 3rd and 5th rounds, to get more shitty back-of-the-line UDFA types. WTF? I don't mind that the Jets didn't go for a QB, because i didn't think there were any out there worth their draft positions, and i appreciate that they didn't reach for one and overdraft, and that they basically went for the best player available (according to their own board, at least) in each round, and so got decent value for their picks overall. And i'm glad that they strengthened their special team roster, since it was one of the worst units in the league. But we should've moved earlier for a CB and a TE, and I think all the trade downs hurt us more than they helped. Draft grade: C

MFS62 May 03 2017 01:33 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

One of the undrafted FA signings is a local kid. http://m.newstimes.com/local/article/Da ... 116346.php Later

Vic Sage Jun 07 2017 09:34 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

to be cut: LT Clady: sucked and injured (cap savings = $10m) CB Revis: they may get him to reduce down to the $6m cap hit on a 1-year/make good deal, and switch to FS. If not, cut him (save $9m either way); FS Gilchrist: sucked and injured ($6m) CB Skrine: sucked ($6m) RT Giacomini: sucked ($4.5m) QB Fitz: gone, but no cap savings As predicted, with Skrine the only one still standing. possible cuts: C Mangold: hard to replace, but he's too hurt too much ($9m) WR BMarshall: probably not worth it ($7.5m) ILBHarris: keep; he's still productive and is a real leader on that team ($6.5m) K Folk: mediocre ($3m) ILB Henderson: decent, but hurt ($2.5m) TE Seferian-Jenkins: showed nothing ($1m) WR Smith: has been passed by undrafted FAs ($1m) AS predicted, with Sefarian-Jenkins the only one from this group that remains. QB: Fitz and Smith are gone; Petty is (at best) a backup, and Hackenberg a total waste. -They need to trade/draft a starting QB: Glennon? Taylor? oy. No obvious solutions. Their answer: Josh fucking McKown! Tank City, baby! Offensive Line: -they like Shell at RT, so he'll replace Giacomini; -they've already re-signed RG Winters; -Wes Johnson backs up Mangold adequately, and Mangold may be back; -Carpenter has been great at LG; -LT? They need one. Desperately! Maybe draft? The oft-injured Kelvin Beachum was signed for LT RB: Powell and Forte are adequate; They drafted Elijah McGuire in the later rounds. He'll be used more on KRs and PRs, unless their is an injury. TE: they picked up Sefarian-Jenkins but may not keep him. if not, they can either use Enunwa as an WR/TE/H-Back hybrid, or draft/trade for one; They drafted Leggett, who'll probably start over S-J. WR: Decker will be back, but B.Marshall may not. Enunwa ready to start at WR2, and young receivers have potential (Anderson, Peake, J.Marshall,D.Smith) so neither B.Marshall NOR Decker will be back. They've got Enunwa and Anderson, backed up by rookies Hansen and Stuart, with J.Marshall and Peake fighting it out with many FA wideouts. D-Line: Wilkerson, McLendon and Williams are set; Richardson may get traded. D.Simon has upside; Nothing has changed yet; Richardson is still on the block. LB: Harris is old and expensive, but still productive. Lee is fast, but that's it. Henderson is decent when healthy. Jenkins was "eh" and Mauldin a disappointment. -They need to draft an Edge rusher (still); They cut Harris and brought back the much cheaper and younger (but not very good) DeMario Davis, and they drafted Donahue in the late rounds as an edge rusher. CB: Revis either renegotiates contract and moves to FS or he's gone; Skrine was bad and probably gone; McDougle and Roberts are worthless; M.Williams and rookie Burris showed enough to keep. -They need to draft/sign some good CBs; Revis was cut; Claiborne was signed to start opposite Skrine, backed up by Williams & Burris, and rookies Jones & Clark fighting it out with vets like Roberts and McDougle. FS/SS: Pryor was disappointing but still has upside; Gilchrist was awful and likely gone; Miles and Middleton are adequate depth. - If Revis doesn't move to FS, they need to sign/draft one; Gilchrist and Pryor are gone, replaced by top 2 picks Adams and Maye, still backed up by Miles and Middleton. SPECIAL TEAMS: P: They'll probably keep Edwards around to see if he develops K: Folk is in decline; if they cut him, they'll need to draft/sign one LS: I guess old man Purdum is still around; PR/KR: J.Marshall was a turnover machine. -They need to find a returner. Maybe D.Smith? Folk was cut and replaced by vet Catanzaro; Edwards and Purdum return; D.Smith is gone for the year, so J.Marshall will compete with McGuire and others as KR/PR.

MFS62 Jun 08 2017 12:42 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Harris was a great Jet. They released him with enough time to find another job. But if he does retire, let him slowly fade away, because slow is how we will remember him. Later

Nymr83 Jun 08 2017 02:41 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

this is a huge tank job. which it should be. if the jets are not running to the podium to select Sam Darnold #1 in 13 months this season is a failure, if they do so, its a success.

MFS62 Sep 10 2017 10:14 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

They lost. On merit. Its going to be a long, dreary season. Later

Lefty Specialist Sep 10 2017 10:48 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Florida's not the only place with a huge disaster on its hands.

Nymr83 Sep 11 2017 12:34 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Jets lose 21-12 to Buffalo I'm ready to fire Bowles. He doesn't have the talent to win, but I dont think he even plays to win, but rather plays to keep it close. Down 9 points with 4 minutes left, 4th and 8 at the 44, how the fuck are you punting there? the moment you decide to punt you have essentially said "we lost this game and are trying to avoid losing it by a 3 scores instead of 2". losing by 1 and by 20 are the same in the standings, i'd rather lose by 20 if it means we at least took a shot at coming back. Bowles didn't. There was some good today- The Jets were criticized for their choice of kicker, but two 50 yarders should help shut that noise up (especially since the season is now underway and the writers can criticize everything else that is going wrong) Defensively, Adams looked like he was everywhere on the field, Kony Ealy and Leonard Williams were getting pressure and helping in the run game. nobody else stood out to me (maybe Martin?) we knew Davis was terrible (all those open holes were places he was supposed to be standing, right?) but the scary thought is Lee might be too. Offensively it was dink, dunk, punt and nothing too exciting - Why not more Powell? We don't have a playable tight end so why not some 3 WR/Forte/Powell sets where you force the defense to cover those guys with LBs when they split out wide or use corners against the run. the Jets offense lacks talent but the playbook lacks imagination.

Vic Sage Sep 11 2017 02:12 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

i agree that, down by 2 or more scores in the last 5 minutes, you're in 4-down territory and you don't punt. not if you're serious about winning. But they're not serious about winning (hence cutting every veteran making more than the minimum). But fire the coach? after 1 game? what did you expect? Silk purse / sow's ear. deck chairs / Titanic. Pointless. Let Bowles take the hit. Start over next year with a new QB. offense: O-line gave the passing game no time and the running game no room; McKown and the receivers looked adequate, and Tomlinson and Tye made some catches, too, but it was mostly dinks and dunks, without many yards-after-catch; Powell dropped passes in the flat and was getting no rushing yards. Ditto Forte. And they're the 2 best playmakers; Inability to sustain drives, with too many 3-and-outs, kept defense on field too long. I don't see how they get better on this side of the ball without a better O-line, regardless of the playcalling. defense: The secondary is talented, and they made some plays, but they're very young and will get chewed up by experienced QBs, at least for a while. They were chasing people alot yesterday; The linebackers? Oy. They're a black hole, although Martin did seems to be in the backfield alot and made some plays; Our much vaunted front line did nothing. God, do we miss Big Snacks Harrison. If we can't stop the run, then we really have no hope of even staying in games; I think the secondary has an upside, and Martin may surprise at LB and on ST, and the D-line can put pressure on, but overall the D is going to get regularly gassed by having to carry an impotent offense. special teams: Catanzaro and Edwards did well, and Raymond had one really good return. But they gave up a good return too. Still, they weren't the problem (as opposed to the last few seasons). As anticipated, they're going to suck this year. So they might as well Suck for Sam!

seawolf17 Sep 11 2017 03:05 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

At least they have a really good player at TE this year.

MFS62 Sep 11 2017 03:09 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Vic Sage wrote: As anticipated, they're going to suck this year. So they might as well Suck for Sam! I agree with everything you said about the team and have been wanting them to upgrade their offensive line for years. But if they get the chance to draft a top QB in next year's draft, I want Rosen to be chosen. Later

d'Kong76 Sep 11 2017 03:57 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

I'm rooting for a win-less season. How much fun would that be? J-E-T-S jetsjetsjets!

Vic Sage Sep 11 2017 05:12 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

MFS62 wrote: Vic Sage wrote: As anticipated, they're going to suck this year. So they might as well Suck for Sam! I agree with everything you said about the team and have been wanting them to upgrade their offensive line for years. But if they get the chance to draft a top QB in next year's draft, I want Rosen to be chosen. Later with a name like Rosen, he's already one of the chosen people, no?

Vic Sage Sep 11 2017 05:13 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

seawolf17 wrote: At least they have a really good player at TE this year. i forgot Tye was a Seawolf! Go, 'Wolves!

Nymr83 Sep 11 2017 06:05 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Vic Sage wrote: Vic Sage wrote: As anticipated, they're going to suck this year. So they might as well Suck for Sam! I agree with everything you said about the team and have been wanting them to upgrade their offensive line for years. But if they get the chance to draft a top QB in next year's draft, I want Rosen to be chosen. Later with a name like Rosen, he's already one of the chosen people, no? looked him up - religiosity aside (parents are of different religions and he says he is an atheist) his father is a spine surgeon and let him play football?!

Vic Sage Sep 12 2017 01:45 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

well of course he did... suggesting football is unsafe would be bad for business.

Ashie62 Sep 13 2017 01:00 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

I like Darnold but love Josh Rosen QB at UCLA.

MFS62 Sep 17 2017 03:34 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Jets at the Raiders today. Oakland is very good. Jets are very bad. Not even Heidi will be watching this game. Later

John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 17 2017 10:08 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Raiders benefit from a complete bullshit call.

Lefty Specialist Sep 17 2017 10:36 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Oooh, this is ugly. Like, Elephant Man ugly.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 17 2017 11:25 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

They were in it till that booshit roughness penalty

Nymr83 Sep 18 2017 12:59 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: They were in it till that booshit roughness penalty there was a bullshit penalty that went the other way too earlier in the game for "roughness" that looked an awful lot like "clean tackling" the Jets took themselves out of it when they muffed a punt and gave the Raiders the ball at the Jets 4 yard line. they should have gone into the locker room at the half down 14-10 at worst. how long has it been since we had a competent return man? Leon Washington ten years ago?

MFS62 Sep 18 2017 01:25 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Nymr83 wrote: how long has it been since we had a competent return man? Leon Washington ten years ago? And a competent special teams coach. The best one they had is now doing their post-game analysis on SNY. In that case you call for a fair catch. If its inside the ten, you let it bounce. If it goes into the end zone, its your ball on the 20 or where the other team downs it. Either way, its YOUR BALL. Later

Vic Sage Sep 18 2017 02:44 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

While that muffed punt was a turning point, and the "roughness" call on Skrine on what was a completely legal hit was highly irritating and costly, neither mattered. The biggest reason they lost is because they played on the road against a much better team. They lost because they showed up. Offense (C-): * McKown was decent, despite some ill-advised scrambles turning into sacks, and one strip fumble; * the O-line was much better, givng McKown a clean pocket most of the day and doing a decent job run blocking too (special kudos to rookie RT Shell, who kept Mack out of the backfield); * Forte did ok (running and receiving), and McGwire chipped in, too, but Powell was MIA again; * Kearse is their #1 WR, making tough catches (including an actual deep ball!) and 2 TDs, but Anderson and Co (including TEs) were useless... again; * The playcalling was more aggressive, as promised, but they don't have any play-makers, so when the game got out of hand, they had no way to get back into it. Defense (F): * The DL and OLBs put absolutely no pressure on Carr, who just lit them up (again); * The running game picked up yards in big chunks, with the DL and ILBs tackling badly once again (and often in the wrong gaps); * I expect D.Davis to suck, but Lee is turning into yet another 1st-round bust. He got knocked around like a rag doll, even when he was in the right place. Maybe they should convert him to DB, because * The secondary sucked, too. Our rookie safeties did solid jobs, but our CBs covered nobody. ST (B/F): * Kicking and punting were solid, maybe even good; * Raymond's fumbled punt on the 4 was disastrous. After 2 fumbles last week, he should be gone. They are still in search of a return man, it seems.

Nymr83 Sep 24 2017 08:40 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

THAT WASN'T PART OF THE PLAN! watched this one with a crying toddler so hard to comment too much on individual players but the defense as a whole was filling gaps properly for the first time since 2015! McCown looked competent with good line play, threw some nice balls (and some ugly ones pulled in by Sefarian-Jenkins early)

MFS62 Sep 24 2017 09:22 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

If they're going to win some games, I'd prefer they do it with one of the young QBs at the helm. My fear is that they're going to be just good enough to win enough games to screw themselves out of a top draft pick. Later

d'Kong76 Sep 24 2017 10:12 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Yeah, because the Jets always draft great top picks!! I know I'm an 0-16 sourpuss, but nice showing on a couple of things and happy for the home opener fans out there and have to admit I was disappointed not keeping that big fat ZERO on the scoreboard just a little longer. We need a Giants LOL thread...

Nymr83 Sep 24 2017 10:59 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

definitely disappointing to lose that "0" on the final play, but at least the Dolphins "earned" it and didnt kick the FG on us with time expiring!

d'Kong76 Oct 02 2017 03:33 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Jets were supposed to go 2-14, 1-15... 2-2, weird as today's game was, is not bad!

MFS62 Oct 02 2017 12:22 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

d'Kong76 wrote: Jets were supposed to go 2-14, 1-15... 2-2, weird as today's game was, is not bad! They're tied with New England after 4 games. Whoda thunk it? Later

Vic Sage Oct 02 2017 05:28 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

and next week, the 0-3 Browns, so we could be 3-2. The NY Jets... we even suck at sucking.

Nymr83 Oct 03 2017 01:08 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

yeah, 5-11 here we come, no QB and the same plan next year.

Frayed Knot Oct 09 2017 01:15 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

So I reckon that whatever quarterback(s) J-E-T-S fans wanted to suck for is pretty much ticketed for the Giants now, eh?

RealityChuck Oct 10 2017 01:55 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

I'm sure plenty of people figured the two NY teams would be 0-5 and 3-2 at this point in the season. None got the teams right, though.

Ashie62 Oct 15 2017 05:46 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 15 2017 07:43 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

What kind of bullshit call was that? Football is the worst.

d'Kong76 Oct 15 2017 07:51 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Never saw such a nonsense* call in my entire** life. * fucked-up ** fucking

G-Fafif Oct 15 2017 08:56 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Even dimmer call than the one that helped the Dodgers last night.

Frayed Knot Oct 15 2017 09:15 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

I wasn't watching at the time and only saw it via replay so I may be off somewhat on the exact chronology and reasoning, but that type of catch/non-catch call is one of the things that's BEEN CAUSED by incorporating replay into the rules*. Under normal circumstances everyone knows that's a catch, but only after replay did they start deciding things like, 'Ooh look, the ball's in his arms but it's still jiggling'. There's an old axiom in boxing where, instead of having sport insiders debate aesthetic criteria such as 'ring generalship' or 'effective blows landed', you instead take the fight film and show it to a room full of 12 year-olds and when you ask them who won they'll instantly all point to the same guy and not always to the same one who the pros came up with. The same thing would happen with many of these sideline passes; you show them to a room full of people and ask whether it was a catch and you'd hear a chorus of "Fuck Yeah!!" * The play at the plate in the Dodger/Cub game yesterday was the same thing and even in the Yanx/Astros game Girardi was ready to have them check out if there was interference by Correa on Gregorius while sliding into 2nd base that may have affected his throw. Now that one was mostly just a hail mary by Joe G. but it's one that wouldn't have entered anyone's mind until replay was expanded.

Fman99 Oct 15 2017 09:20 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Egregiously stupid call. Fucked by referees.

d'Kong76 Oct 15 2017 09:38 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

My guess is sometime Tuesday the league office will release some sort of well-uh-we-may-have-blown-that-one-and-we'll-use-this-play-as-we-do-all- reviews-(both-good-and-possibly-poor)-to-continue-to-improve-the-review- process bullshit statement. I hope Belichick chokes on his steak tonight be- cause you know he grins ear to ear like The Grinch over this stuff. Still, up 14-0, the Jets let those fuckers back in with unnecessary penalties. One really dumb one and one for 40-50 yards (I forget already).

Nymr83 Oct 15 2017 11:12 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

d'Kong76 wrote: Still, up 14-0, the Jets let those fuckers back in with unnecessary penalties. One really dumb one and one for 40-50 yards (I forget already). The Jets definitely gave the refs the chance to fuck them by not capitalizing on all their opportunities and throwing a bonehead pick in the first half leading to a NE TD. but the refs DID fuck hem. hard. the reversed touchdown call is one of the worst i have ever seen. the flag that got thrown and then picked up when Anderson got drilled helmet to helmet was bad too - what is egregious about both of these calls is that they were initially correct but then reversed to help the Pats. The pass-interference in the endzone was dumb too - Gronk did more grabbing than the Jets did on that play.

Vic Sage Oct 16 2017 02:51 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Stunningly stupid. I agree that the Jets lost the game earlier than that, but that didn't make it any less awful a call or any less costly. The point to me is that the replay has to be DEFINITIVE to overrule the call on the field. And while there was some movement of the ball as he crossed the goal line, there is no replay that shows exactly what was going on with the ball when he hit that pylon, and when he rolled over on it into foul territory he clearly had possession. So how did the refs on Park Ave determine that, between the time he juggled it at the line and the time he rolled over the pylon with possession, he had NOT regained possession while still in bounds? They would have had to see some DEFINITIVE evidence that he had not regained possession, and there simply wasn't any such angle. The ref confirmed in an interview that there was no view that they had access to that was different than the ones seen on tv. SO WHAT THE FUCK WERE THEY LOOKING AT THAT JUSTIFIED OVERRULING A TD CALL ON THE FIELD?

MFS62 Oct 16 2017 02:54 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

As they say in a Boston fish market, we got scrod. Later

Nymr83 Oct 16 2017 05:04 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

They must have been looking at their "Patriots -9" receipts from the Bellagio.

Edgy MD Oct 16 2017 08:10 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

I think the beer-through-a-straw thing is the coup de grace.

dgwphotography Oct 16 2017 08:28 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

I stand for the national anthem, but I sit on the flag. Idiots

d'Kong76 Oct 16 2017 08:34 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

They're worse than politicians... Riveron explained the ruling during a conference call with reporters. "The last time we had control was by an offensive player, somewhere around the 1 1/2 or the 2 [yard line], never regains control of the football while contacting inbounds. So in that sense, by rule, we have a touchback," Riveron said. "We might not agree with the rule, we might have situations where we disagree with the rule, but that is the rule. So the rule was enforced correctly."

Nymr83 Oct 17 2017 04:44 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

ESPN Fantasy guru says it best - http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=21043757

d'Kong76 Oct 22 2017 08:20 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

I want to see Mr. Bowles and Mr. Morton in my office a 8:30 tomorrow. Sharp.

Ashie62 Oct 22 2017 09:45 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

McCown had a good game until he plunked it at 39 seconds.

d'Kong76 Oct 22 2017 09:49 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Why run a pass play of any sorts from the 15 with 47 seconds left? Run it up the gut (hell, take a knee) and don't turn it over and then go to the coin toss 0-0. Stupid play calling.

Lefty Specialist Oct 22 2017 10:18 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

This team, I tell ya. Stupid play calling. No pass defense at all in the second half. And jeez, I didn't think it was physically possible to be called for so many penalties. So instead of 0-16, they'll have to settle for 3-13, I guess.

HahnSolo Oct 22 2017 11:25 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

d'Kong76 wrote: I want to see Mr. Bowles and Mr. Morton in my office a 8:30 tomorrow. Sharp. I'll send Buster Skrine with them.

G-Fafif Oct 22 2017 11:53 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 22 2017 11:55 PM

Cheer up with a better Jets-Dolphins result, earned at a beloved venue, captured in a slightly bizarre fashion. Speaking of fashions, this includes several to die for. [youtube:20p3csmq]1HMF42TyOIM[/youtube:20p3csmq]

Nymr83 Oct 22 2017 11:54 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

A reminder that even after looking like it for 59 minutes, Josh McCown isn't an NFL starter quality QB. You arent likely to score there, your one job is ball security in that spot.

Vic Sage Oct 23 2017 03:18 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

d'Kong76 wrote: Why run a pass play of any sorts from the 15 with 47 seconds left? Run it up the gut (hell, take a knee) and don't turn it over and then go to the coin toss 0-0. Stupid play calling. 47 seconds and all 3 time outs left? There is definitely time to get into field goal range and win the game, so i don't want to see them take a knee and take the chance of losing it in overtime. But ball control is essential and you have to take high percentage shots. And this is why McCown is who he is. He can look like Drew Brees for 3 quarters and then take a sack at the wrong time, throw a pick 6, fumble in the red zone. He is one of the reasons why we thought this would be a lost year, and why it still may well be, despite a few unexpected wins.

d'Kong76 Oct 23 2017 04:32 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Vic Sage wrote: 47 seconds and all 3 time outs left? There is definitely time to get into field goal range and win the game, so i don't want to see them take a knee and take the chance of losing it in overtime. Funny, I actually edited in the knee thing in parenthesis for effect. Should always stick with original thought and not window dress a post. -4 yards in the 4th quarter 5 penalties (two declined) for 25 yards Backup QB's 4th quarter? -- 10-15, 132 yards, 2 TD's I DVR the games but yesterday I got sucked in and spent three hours on a beautiful day, so fuck them, I've learned my 2017 lesson and that won't happen again.

Lefty Specialist Oct 23 2017 04:56 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Took the TV outside and tailgated with friends on the deck, so we took advantage of the beautiful day. Almost choked on my guacamole in the 4th quarter, though. Farkin' Jets, I never learn.

HahnSolo Oct 23 2017 05:01 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

G-Fafif wrote: Cheer up with a better Jets-Dolphins result, earned at a beloved venue, captured in a slightly bizarre fashion. Speaking of fashions, this includes several to die for. [youtube]1HMF42TyOIM[/youtube] This video is great. Check out Steve "Glenn Frey" Serby at around the 6 minute mark.

Nymr83 Oct 30 2017 01:02 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

complete shitting of the bed today by the Jets who got handed the perfect weather against the Falcons and scored 3 fucking point off two turnovers deep in the Falcons territory. predictably that came back to bite, along with the usual punt return fumbles. why do the Jets always suck at returning punts?? at 3-5 its likely "suck for Sam" time, but it feels hard to bench McCown when he hasn't been the problem. this team would be 6-2 without bone headed penalties, terrible officiating, muffed punts, and Buster Skrine's pass defense.

Vic Sage Oct 30 2017 05:27 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

and if grandma was painted yellow and had wheels, should could be a school bus. This team is exactly what its record says it is. When the O line cannot create openings for the running game or give McCown time to find a receiver down field, then the Jets are going to lose, regardless of the penalties, turnovers and boneheaded plays. But certainly those don't help. Other than QB, I was most concerned about the line going into the season. And they've succeeded in living down to my expectations.

MFS62 Oct 31 2017 02:01 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

The Patriots traded highly touted backup QB Jimmy Garoppolo to the 49-ers for a second round draft pick. This means they feel Tom Brady will play forever, and confirms what Jets fans have known for a long time - Brady is the evil un-dead. Later

Lefty Specialist Oct 31 2017 05:58 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

[youtube:1n399eab]fs-He4c71tQ[/youtube:1n399eab]

d'Kong76 Oct 31 2017 06:30 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Vic Sage wrote: and if grandma was painted yellow and had wheels, should could be a school bus. I can't wait to whip this out in conversation one day. lofnl

Vic Sage Nov 01 2017 06:12 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

it's an oldie, not a VSage original. but i like it.

Nymr83 Nov 02 2017 12:37 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

in case anyone thought the Jets were the most incompetent team in the league, we still have the Browns. the Browns made a trade before the deadline for Cincinatti's backup QB. the Browns didnt get the paperwork done in time, so the trade was voided. ouch.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 02 2017 05:35 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Do you mean Paul DePodesta's Browns?

d'Kong76 Nov 02 2017 08:23 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Almost forgot about this, I'm pretty late-night sports'd out... Buffalo at N.Y. Jets When: 8:25 PM ET, Thursday, November 2, 2017 MetLife Stadium, East Rutherford, New Jersey By Gracenote The Buffalo Bills aim to grab a share of the division lead while giving the spiraling New York Jets plenty of space in the cellar on Thursday, when the AFC East rivals meet at MetLife Stadium. Buffalo, which is off to its best start since 2008, has won two in a row to remain one-half game behind first-place New England while New York has dropped three in a row following a promising 3-2 start. Bills rookie coach Sean McDermott was all smiles this week and added he's "extremely proud" of his club but cautioned that "nobody gives out awards for 5-2." Perhaps, but Buffalo owns a league-best plus-14 turnover margin and is third in the league with 115 points allowed, and continued opportunistic defensive play like that could go a long way in helping the team end its 17-season playoff drought. The Jets have been rather generous with the ball this season, committing 14 turnovers (seven interceptions, seven fumbles), including Jeremy Kerley's costly muffed punt in Sunday's 25-20 setback against Atlanta. "Too many mistakes in the fourth quarter," New York coach Todd Bowles told reporters. "Can't happen. Can't put the ball on the ground. Can't have timely mistakes." TV: 8:25 p.m. ET, NFL Network. LINE: Bills -3.5. O/U: 43 ABOUT THE BILLS (5-2): LeSean McCoy recorded season highs in carries (27) and rushing yards (151) while registering his third touchdown in two games during Sunday's 34-14 romp over Oakland. The versatile 29-year-old added at least six receptions for the fourth time this season and rolled up 159 yards from scrimmage in Buffalo's season-opening 21-12 win over New York. Tyrod Taylor, who has impressed McDermott with a pair of strong performances since the team's bye week, threw for 297 yards and three touchdowns in Buffalo's 37-31 setback against New York on Sept. 15, 2016. The Bills added a jolt to their passing game by acquiring wide receiver Kelvin Benjamin (32 receptions, 475 yards, two touchdowns) from Carolina for two draft choices prior to Tuesday's trading deadline. ABOUT THE JETS (3-5): Frustrations are mounting as the losses pile up for New York, which saw veteran Matt Forte openly question the play-calling of offensive coordinator John Morton as the team appeared to abandon the run in the rainy and sloppy conditions versus the Falcons. Josh McCown, who recorded his highest completion percentage of the season in that contest (26-of-33, 78.8 percent), has thrown nine touchdown passes in his last four games after being limited to three in his first four. Robby Anderson, who leads the team with 435 receiving yards, has found the end zone in back-to-back weeks. EXTRA POINTS: 1. Kerley will receive a suspension from the NFL for an undisclosed violation, multiple outlets reported on Tuesday. 2. Buffalo S Micah Hyde leads the league with five interceptions - four of which have come over his last four games. 3. With Morris Claiborne (foot) and Buster Skrine (concussion) nursing injuries, the Jets acquired fellow CB Rashard Robinson from San Francisco on Tuesday for an undisclosed 2018 draft pick.

Lefty Specialist Nov 02 2017 10:50 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Good. Get them out of the way tonight so they don't ruin my weekend.

Nymr83 Nov 02 2017 11:22 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Lefty Specialist wrote: Good. Get them out of the way tonight so they don't ruin my weekend. i wish they played every Thursday night, so much less disruptive to my schedule!

Mets Willets Point Nov 02 2017 11:40 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

I haven't been paying attention. It seems like it wasn't long ago that people were enthusing that the Jets were actually doing well this season.

d'Kong76 Nov 02 2017 11:59 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

0-3 since the officials Belidicked them in that Pats game.

Fman99 Nov 03 2017 01:50 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Ugh, the playcalling consistently makes my head hurt. Throw it downfield, you sad sack motherfuckers.

Frayed Knot Nov 03 2017 02:19 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Just the fact that the announcer dudes are only kinda sure that that was a legit touchdown (the Anderson TD at 9:50 / 3rd Q) tells me that there's something very wrong with the way the rules are applied in this sport.

d'Kong76 Nov 03 2017 04:00 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

4-5 with a game next week against a weak Tampa Bay. I speed watched the second half this morning and the frickin' recording ended itself with about four minutes left. I felt that it was an omen and they had blown it again. And they almost did!

Vic Sage Nov 03 2017 04:37 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

it was funny, actually. the announcers had put it in the books with about 8 minutes to go. Then Bills score, recover the on-side kick when Sefarian-Jenkins lets the ball fall right through his hands, score again, and the announcers are like, um, it's not quite over. You'd think they'd know by now that no lead is safe with the Jets in the 4th Q. but it was a nice game. Swarming D. 7 sacks! good tackling. And an O line showed up!

Ashie62 Nov 05 2017 10:14 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

I didn't think it would be the Giants as the favorites for Darnold.

Nymr83 Nov 05 2017 11:54 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Ashie62 wrote: I didn't think it would be the Giants as the favorites for Darnold. only if you think Cleveland and San Fran will pass on him - at least one of them will likely go winless

MFS62 Nov 12 2017 09:30 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Coming back after 10 days and losing to THAT team? embarrassing. Later

Ashie62 Nov 12 2017 11:53 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Nymr83 wrote: Ashie62 wrote: I didn't think it would be the Giants as the favorites for Darnold. only if you think Cleveland and San Fran will pass on him - at least one of them will likely go winless SF gonna beat the Giants today.

Nymr83 Nov 13 2017 12:03 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

absolute embarrassment for the Jets offense today. and wtf Giants, stealing our future QB!

Fman99 Nov 13 2017 12:28 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Nymr83 wrote: absolute embarrassment for the Jets offense today. and wtf Giants, stealing our future QB! Really hurt to see them so consistently not be able to move the ball against a 2-6 team. TB had 8 sacks coming in to today, and 6 TODAY.

MFS62 Nov 13 2017 12:55 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Too bad Cooby used "Sick of this shit" for her thread title. It could have been the title of this one. Later

MFS62 Nov 27 2017 02:10 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

I watched the 105th Grey Cup game, won by the Argos. I like CFL football. And watching Shania Twain perform at half time melted a lot of the snow that was coming down. Good game, cemented with seconds to go with an interception in the end zone. Ricky Ray could quarterback for my team any time. Later

Mets Willets Point Nov 27 2017 04:46 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Meanwhile, the Patriots clinched their 17th consecutive season with a winning record, a post-merger NFL record.

Vic Sage Nov 27 2017 08:45 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

fuck the Pats. pluck out their eyes and skull fuck them til they die. Bellichik first, and Brady last, so he gets to see whats coming. And fuck their Trump-loving owner too (and the Jets owner, while we're at it)

Frayed Knot Nov 27 2017 08:58 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

This whole catch/no-catch thing in the NFL has graduated from ridiculous to flat-out absurd. And it wasn't just the TD that the Jets got screwed out of (not to be confused with the dropped one they screwed themselves out of) on account of what I believe was described as "excess jiggling" within the receiver's hands, but also the microscopic examination of EVERY TD catch as if the goal now is to negate as many catches as possible including those that were considered catches for the entirety of the 20th century and the first decade or so of this one.

MFS62 Nov 27 2017 11:39 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Vic Sage wrote: fuck the Pats. pluck out their eyes and skull fuck them til they die. Bellichik first, and Brady last, so he gets to see whats coming. And fuck their Trump-loving owner too (and the Jets owner, while we're at it) And THEN get really angry. Later

Nymr83 Nov 28 2017 02:20 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Frayed Knot wrote: This whole catch/no-catch thing in the NFL has graduated from ridiculous to flat-out absurd. And it wasn't just the TD that the Jets got screwed out of (not to be confused with the dropped one they screwed themselves out of) on account of what I believe was described as "excess jiggling" within the receiver's hands, but also the microscopic examination of EVERY TD catch as if the goal now is to negate as many catches as possible including those that were considered catches for the entirety of the 20th century and the first decade or so of this one. yeah, replay has become absurd to the point that i wish they'd just change the rule to "as long as you had the ball touching your hands with two feet down in-bounds, its a catch, as long as you don't drop it - bobbling is allowed"

HahnSolo Nov 28 2017 02:36 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

I mean, that was the correct call though. He did not have complete control of the ball until he was out of bounds. The replay was clear that the ball was shifting. Blame ASJ. Catch the ball (the first one) and hold on to the damn ball (the second one).

Nymr83 Nov 28 2017 03:13 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

The ball was moving but in my opinion he still controlled it, which is allowed. The whole rule sucks as does the interpretation it often gets on replay. The guy on FOX who used to be head of officiating for NFL said he wouldnt have overturned the call on the field. And that's the big point here - the referees have taken it upon themselves to throw out the requirement that there be indisuptable evidence to overturn the call on the field. You know what else sucks? -Trying to make a desperate pass attempt while getting hit with a lead in the 4th quarter - QB needs to know the situation and not fumble there. Taking the sack would have been fine. -pushing Newton to the ground - yeah it looked clean to me, one of those situations where you cant stop yourself, but you KNOW you are going to get called for that every time in this bullshit penalty happy league -1st and Goal at the 1 yard line. Pass, Pass, Pass, Field Goal. Fire the coaching staff right there. The correct sequence is RUN THE BALL, RUN THE BALL AGAIN, FUCKING POUND IT IN THERE, GO FOR IT ON 4TH

Frayed Knot Nov 29 2017 12:47 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

HahnSolo wrote: I mean, that was the correct call though. By rule, yes (or at least maybe) but that's part of my point; that this isn't a rule that replay is helping to call more correctly but rather one that replay has caused. And, again, it's not just the one they overturned but the ones they almost did as well which were catches from the invention of the game right up until a couple of years ago when the usual tripe about replay only being used to overturn obvious mistakes naturally morphed into minute dissection of things that no one thought needed correcting. So whether it was this one or the Dez Bryant playoff game flipping reversal of a couple of years ago, no one now seems to know, including the league itself and the hired hands in the booth who are supposedly experts at this part of the game, what a legal catch actually is these days.

Frayed Knot Dec 03 2017 09:44 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

So ultimately worth it in the end (unless you're a member of the pro-tanking committee) but that final three and change minutes of the NYJ/KCC game took, what, about 30-40 minutes to play?

Nymr83 Dec 06 2017 09:15 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Great article at GangGreenNation on the Chiefs playing scared of Robby Anderson. [url]https://www.ganggreennation.com/2017/12/6/16740262/jets-film-review-the-chiefs-were-afraid-of-robby-andersons-speed (includes embedded videos that are an important part of the piece, not recommended for mobile viewing)

Nymr83 Dec 25 2017 12:14 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

if the Jets had wanted the 1st Pick in the draft, they should have just started Bryce Petty all year.

Vic Sage Jan 03 2018 07:31 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

The #6 pick (again)... they even suck at sucking. Any QBs still standing at that point? They'll probably have to choose between Baker Mayfield and Lamar Jackson, with Arnold, Rosen and Allen already gone. Are either of them franchise QBs? I don't know. But if they think so, they should pull the trigger and not worry that they'd be "overdrafting" at that slot, with Mayfield and Jackson currently rated as lower 1stR picks.

HahnSolo Jan 03 2018 08:54 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

I'm pretty down on another season of Bowles myself. If they love a QB in this draft (Josh Allen maybe?) they could look to trade up to #3 (Indy) or #4 (Cleveland's second pick). For a second I will assume Rosen and Darnold both come out and go 1-2. Denver at 5 is probably in the market for a QB, so unless the Broncos sign Cousins in FA, I think three QBs at least will be gone by the time the Jets come around. I have not seen enough to Lamar Jackson to offer an opinion, but I don't think Mayfield is a franchise NFL QB. Yeah, he "makes plays" and has that "it" factor but to take him at #6? I don't know.

Nymr83 Jan 03 2018 11:24 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Vic Sage wrote: The #6 pick (again)... they even suck at sucking. Any QBs still standing at that point? They'll probably have to choose between Baker Mayfield and Lamar Jackson, with Arnold, Rosen and Allen already gone. Are either of them franchise QBs? I don't know. But if they think so, they should pull the trigger and not worry that they'd be "overdrafting" at that slot, with Mayfield and Jackson currently rated as lower 1stR picks. I'm hoping Darnold and Rosen both go back to school, or one of them (Likely Rosen as he fits the profile) decides "i don't want to be a Brown" and follows in Eli Manning's footsteps to engineer a draft day trade. edit - they both declared tonight.

Ashie62 Jan 04 2018 04:08 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Denver is supposedly looking at Josh Allen. I am not big on Lamar Jackson or Darn-old-fraud. I do like Josh Rosen.

MFS62 Jan 04 2018 01:13 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 04 2018 06:55 PM

I hope they pick QB Mason Rudolph of Oklahoma State. He is the most "NFL ready" quarterback in the draft, and has been flying under the radar because of all the publicity over his cross state rival Mayfield. Later

HahnSolo Jan 04 2018 06:45 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

He and Mayfield are carrying that stigma of being a Big 12 QB. They haven't exactly shined lately when coming into the league. You need look no further than Bryce Petty.

MFS62 Jan 04 2018 07:01 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

HahnSolo wrote: He and Mayfield are carrying that stigma of being a Big 12 QB. They haven't exactly shined lately when coming into the league. You need look no further than Bryce Petty. You have to look at the program and system, not just the conference. Oklahoma state runs more like an NFL offensive scheme and Rudolph has taken snaps under center. It is not just a limited "bubble screen" offense like some of the more publicized quarterbacks ran this year. Athlon Sports Magazine just predicted Rudolph to be the number 1 pick in the entire draft in today's release. Later

Nymr83 Jan 04 2018 07:06 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

I have never heard oh Athlon Sports. Kiper and McShay don't even have him as a 1st rounder.

d'Kong76 Jan 04 2018 07:14 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

[fimg=450]https://athlonsports.com/sites/athlonsports.com/files/styles/article_top_img/public/homepage-featured-images/Mel-Kiper-Feature.jpg?itok=p3CcrhGA[/fimg] You've never heard of what?

MFS62 Jan 04 2018 08:21 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Nymr83 wrote: I have never heard oh Athlon Sports. Kiper and McShay don't even have him as a 1st rounder. Kiper has made a reputation as an "expert" and not sure how close his rankings are to what eventually happens in the draft. McShay has made a recent reputation being the guy stations interview when they can't get a mic in front of Kiper. There are many mock drafts out there. I'd be a very happy camper if the Jets draft Rudolph. Later

Ashie62 Jan 16 2018 07:20 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Toughee and a longshot. A friend of mine was sitting in the end zone at Shea for the 1968 AFL Championship game vs. Oakland. If anyone has a photo I would be grateful.

HahnSolo Jan 16 2018 08:33 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Getty has a bunch here: [url]https://www.gettyimages.com/photos/1968-afl-championship?phrase=1968%20AFL%20championship&sort=best#license But not the best crowd shots.

dgwphotography Jan 17 2018 02:39 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Getty has a bunch here: [url]https://www.gettyimages.com/photos/1968-afl-championship?phrase=1968%20AFL%20championship&sort=best#license But not the best crowd shots. Getty images + old NFL shots + finding Walter Iooss = going down a rabbit hole I may never come out of.

HahnSolo Jan 17 2018 01:52 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Some great shots of a new Shea in this 1964 Jets yearbook. Never knew they had a "Let's Go Jets" song. [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f157uoX3KSQ

d'Kong76 Jan 17 2018 02:29 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

That looks really cool, can't wait to watch it in it's entirety.

d'Kong76 Jan 19 2018 07:37 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

WR Robby Anderson in the news... https://www.sny.tv/jets/news/jets-wr-ro ... /264942684

dgwphotography Jan 19 2018 07:50 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

d'Kong76 wrote: WR Robby Anderson in the news... https://www.sny.tv/jets/news/jets-wr-ro ... /264942684 Interesting that both SNY and the Daily News didn't include what he allegedly said in their stories

Vic Sage Jan 19 2018 08:47 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

well OF COURSE this happened. fucking Jets.

Nymr83 Jan 20 2018 01:33 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

just can't have nice things.

Ashie62 Jan 21 2018 02:41 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

HahnSolo wrote: Some great shots of a new Shea in this 1964 Jets yearbook. Never knew they had a "Let's Go Jets" song. [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f157uoX3KSQ Jets QB Dick Wood. I believe he crossed over to the NY Giants when Joe Willie arrived. Remember, a Giant fan is just a big air conditioner. Bwhop.

MFS62 Jan 23 2018 02:36 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

The jets may be promoting the quarterbacks coach to offensive coordinator. http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2217 ... inator-job He's the person who coached those two young quarterbacks to be so good. And now he'll be in charge of the entire offense. Wait, what? ____________________________________________ 53 players have plated for both NY teams: https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/n ... /76651994/ My next door (apartment) neighbor, quarterback Lee Grosscup came to the Titans (the first name of the Jets) from that other NY team when that team got YA Tittle. That made me a Titans fan. Later

HahnSolo Jan 23 2018 02:57 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Snacks Harrison isn’t in that list so there might be others.

MFS62 Jan 23 2018 03:22 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

HahnSolo wrote: Snacks Harrison isn’t in that list so there might be others. D'oh! You're right. Just noticed, it was printed in 2015. Later

Vic Sage Feb 02 2018 05:30 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Why the Jets should be wary of throwing money at Kirk Cousins: http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2018/0 ... iver_index Agreed. Denver and Jacksonville are a QB away from post-season success. The Jets are not. Cousins isn't an elite QB; he's very good, and the best on this year's market, but that just means he's going to be overpaid. They have the cap space, but they also have a ton of needs at many other positions. Tying up that much cap space at the QB position for 5 years or so isn't a brilliant idea. Cousins isn't a difference maker. Frankly, i'd rather have had Alex Smith, but neither are the long term solution for the Jets. The Jets need to draft a QB every year until they find one. This year? I'd be ok with any of the top 6 guys, except Josh Allen who smells too much like another Hackenburger.

MFS62 Feb 04 2018 02:25 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Joe Klecko didn't make the Football Hall of Fame. Again! The guy made the All Pro team at three different positions. Nobody else in the history of Pro Football has done that. And he is a good guy, not a criminal or abuser (drugs or familial) like some of the players already in there. If he isn't in the Hall of Fame, there shouldn't be one. Infamia! Later

Vic Sage Feb 21 2018 09:22 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

I used to think Ralph Vacchiano was a decent beat guy for the Jets, but this is the stupidest thing i've read recently: https://www.sny.tv/jets/news/re-signing ... /266875254 ...where he asserts that not only is Wesley Johnson a good center who should be brought back as a FA, but that doing so would actually help in the pursuit of Cousins! And he justifies it by dismissing the data provided by PFF (pro football focus), and making all sorts of baseless assertions, blaming Johnson's performance on the OC and everybody else. But anybody who actually watched the games saw in Johnson a backup center given the starting job without much competition, who then was a total failure in both pass protection and run blocking. He was in over his head, and most talent evaluators i've read have reached the same conclusion. So what was it about Johnson's ability to get pancaked on nearly every play has convinced Vacchiano otherwise? And to assert that bringing him back would HELP in the pursuit of Cousins? Is he drunk? Either that or Vacchiano is related to Johnson, or getting a kickback from Johnson's agent... it's the only reasons i can imagine for such baseless assertions. Arguing for stability and consistency is appropriate when the OL is good, but advocating for it when the line SUCKS and was one of the major reasons we had a bad season is just stupid beyond all comprehension. I know he just has to fill up column inches to get paid, but he should take some of his hard-earned money and buy a friggin' clue. Not only shouldn't they re-sign Johnsons as a starter, i wouldn't even recommend he be brought back as a backup. They should sign the best available FA center and draft one too, preferably in the 2nd or 3rd round. What would help with the Cousins recruitment effort would be drafting a RB like Barkeley or signing a #1 WR, neither of which is likely to happen, so they need to just draft the best available talent... like any good organization should.

Nymr83 Feb 22 2018 01:13 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Amen. Johnson blows (and gets blown off the line by defenders) cut his ass.

Vic Sage Feb 23 2018 03:50 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

QB situation: should the Jets - Sign Cousins if price is 5yr/150M with $100m guaranteed ($60m in 1st year), leaving little cap space to do more than sign a few bargain FAs, and then draft best available player with 6th pick?, Or - Sign a mid-tier FA QB like Taylor or Bridgewater and use 1st or 2nd round pick on best available QB (1st R = probably Mayfield or Allen, 2nd R= Rudolph, maybe Jackson), and then sign 1 or 2 more impact FAs? Or - Sign a bridge QB (like McCown), trade a 1st and 2nd R pick to get Rosen or Darnold, and then sign a 3+ impact FAs? - some other plan?

MFS62 Feb 23 2018 04:37 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

As I may have said before, the greatest quarterback in the history of football has never completed a pass from a prone position. Building a team starts with building the offensive line. A good one helps offense and defense. A good line enables a run game. That takes pressure off the quarterback to win every game through the air. And it allows a more diverse play book of short passes, screens and play action because the other team can't disregard the run. And a strong offensive line creates long drives, which helps the defense by allowing them to rest longer (as compared to three-and-out offenses). If they spend a lot of money on Cousins without upgrading the O-line, it would be a waste. So, I'd: sign veteran free agent linemen, especially center and left tackle re-sign last year's starting tight end, Sefarian-Jenkins sign a good, but not overpriced, experienced QB to start games as well as mentor the QB chosen in the draft (even re-sign McCown) draft one of the top tier QB (anyone other than Allen) Use the two second round picks on one offensive lineman (if they didn't sign more than one in free agency), else a wide receiver and a defensive lineman. After that, draft the best athletes available. Later

Nymr83 Feb 27 2018 12:55 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Unlike Anderson, Donahue is not a "star" player. expect him to be quietly cut shortly. [url]http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22586692/new-york-jets-linebacker-dylan-donahue-arrested-dwi-reckless-driving

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 27 2018 05:20 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

I would skip Cousins, and take Rosen, Darnold or Mayfield if one of them slips. If not, I trade down/up to late first round, and take Rudolph, Jackson or Allen there.

Nymr83 Feb 27 2018 06:40 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: I would skip Cousins, and take Rosen, Darnold or Mayfield if one of them slips. If not, I trade down/up to late first round, and take Rudolph, Jackson or Allen there. There are various mock drafts that have all of these guys all over the place. Rosen, Darnold, Mayfield, Allen are all top 5 picks in many places - I havent seen Rudolph or Jackson quite that high, but it only take one team to fall for a guy. If the Jets think a guy is there at 6 that they like, don't start with trade down shenanigans - take him then and there. I have a hard time trading up though given all the needs the Jets have. but i guess for the right guy you need to do it. Whether they trade up, down, or not at all the GM and coach will likely both be employed or not in 12 months based on who plays QB this year and how well they play.

Vic Sage Feb 27 2018 02:58 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Nymr83 wrote: LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: I would skip Cousins, and take Rosen, Darnold or Mayfield if one of them slips. If not, I trade down/up to late first round, and take Rudolph, Jackson or Allen there. There are various mock drafts that have all of these guys all over the place. Rosen, Darnold, Mayfield, Allen are all top 5 picks in many places - I havent seen Rudolph or Jackson quite that high, but it only take one team to fall for a guy. If the Jets think a guy is there at 6 that they like, don't start with trade down shenanigans - take him then and there. I have a hard time trading up though given all the needs the Jets have. but i guess for the right guy you need to do it. Whether they trade up, down, or not at all the GM and coach will likely both be employed or not in 12 months based on who plays QB this year and how well they play. Minny is talking seriously about Cousins, and if they sign him, Keenum will likely be available at half the price. I would go for him, then draft BAP at 6, or trade down and get some OL help available later. If either Jackson, Allen or Rudolph are there at the top of 2nd round, then take one.

MFS62 Feb 27 2018 03:18 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

I'd sign up for Vic's plan. Later

Nymr83 Feb 27 2018 03:24 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

I like Bridgewater better than Keenum long term but i'd be fine with it.

HahnSolo Feb 27 2018 05:39 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

I'm of the feeling that any non-Cousins FA QB the Jets pick up should not stop them from going after a QB in the first round of the draft. I don't have a lot of faith in Keenum replicating what he did last year, so I'll pass on him. I'd prefer Bridgewater in FA then a QB at 6.

Vic Sage Feb 27 2018 07:17 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

in the end, it won't matter much because I am 97% certain that whatever strategy the Jets end up choosing, it will end up blowing up in their (and our) faces. That's what it means to be a Jets fan.

Nymr83 Mar 06 2018 06:30 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2017

Rumors now are that Cousins is going to decide between the Vikings and Jets. Either way, I'm sure it won't end well for the Jets. He'll be leading the charge to 8-8 at the Meadowlands or winning playoff games in Minnesota while the Jets stink again, making for unhappy Jets fans either way!