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We Are, In Fact, Eating More Beats 2017

G-Fafif
Feb 06 2017 05:44 PM

Kicking off this season's beatwriting thread (if one doesn't already exist) with shocking news: Adam Rubin getting out of the game, per his own tweeting. Heading to PR like the guy in the hat who works in retailing. No replacement named.

Adam changed the beat for fans. He gave us information and interplay at a pace unprecedented and unmatched. We will miss his output and his sly sense of the absurd.

Edgy MD
Feb 06 2017 06:02 PM
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Wow.

Nobody worked at the pace Rubin did, and he clearly knew that it was the pace necessary to survive. But nobody could sustain that pace over a career.

What an asset he was for fans.

Ceetar
Feb 06 2017 06:10 PM
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And welcome to

[tweet:2jp2t9vu]https://twitter.com/AbbeyMastracco/status/824706133336084480[/tweet:2jp2t9vu]

Ceetar
Feb 06 2017 06:13 PM
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Meanwhile Maria moves on

[tweet:35spd8yt]https://twitter.com/mi_guardado/status/826189574900707328[/tweet:35spd8yt]

d'Kong76
Feb 06 2017 06:17 PM
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Best to El Rubino. Stop in and visit us!

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Feb 06 2017 06:33 PM
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Perhaps Tracky (recently laid off by the Snooze) gets the Rubin seat next. I guess this makes Marc Carig the dean of Met Beaters

Frayed Knot
Feb 06 2017 06:48 PM
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Just the fact that Rubin would often take the rare MLB off day and use it to head up to Binghamton to check out the AA squad was shirley a pace not to be kept up for long.

Edgy MD
Feb 06 2017 07:10 PM
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James Wagner, who took the Times beat over from Bob Seger mid-season last year, is a native of Nicaragua and a native Spanish speaker. He made his bones doing a (terrible) crime story while he was still in school.

[fimg=500]https://images.washingtonpost.com/?url=http://wp-eng-static.washingtonpost.com/author_images/wagnerj4.jpg?ts=1409155010871&w=1484&op=resize&opt=1&filter=antialias[/fimg]

Ashie62
Feb 06 2017 07:47 PM
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Sad, Rubin seemed like one of us in a similar way that Gary Cohen does.

G-Fafif
Feb 06 2017 08:11 PM
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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
Perhaps Tracky (recently laid off by the Snooze) gets the Rubin seat next. I guess this makes Marc Carig the dean of Met Beaters


I think Anthony DiComo of mlb.com has Carig, who joined in 2012, "beat" by a couple of years; he'd already been around a while when Marty Noble did our last Amazin' Tuesday (which was a Monday) in 2010 and said "nobody writes a better game story than Tony DiComo," his colleague at the time. Not sure when Mike Puma came along for the Post, but it feels as if he's been there quite a while. Throw in Kristie Ackert and it feels as if there is some genuine traction among these people after so many came and went.

But institutional memory takes a hit with Adam's departure.

Wagner's been good, and Guardado, in the limited sample I took in, did fine work. Ehalt is weirdly prickly on Twitter but writes well.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Feb 06 2017 08:42 PM
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Shoulda looked up last year's thread.

Below NOT UPDATED!

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:









OutletBeaterYears on Mets BeatCollegeFun Fact
Daily NewsKristie Ackert2 (since 2013)SyracuseProne to Twitter typos; former Modesto Bee reporter
NY PostMike Puma7 (since 2007)FordamNot an actual Puma
ESPN NYAdam Rubin15 (since 2000)U PennWas Daily News beatguy from 2000-10
NewsdayMarc Carig2 (since 2013)Nevada-RenoFormer MFY beater for the Star-Ledger
NY TimesTim Rohan1 (Since 2014)MichiganLooks like Bob Seger
Mets.comAnthony DiComo7 (since 2007)Boston UOnce made Dillon Gee balk.
Bergen RecordMatt Ehalt1 (since 2014)SyracusePredecessor now does social media for ShopRite
Wall Street JournalJared Diamond4 (since 2011)SyracuseOnce victim of an Opening Day headline surprise
Star-LedgerMike Vorkunov1 (since 2014)RutgersBroke the cheesesteak story

Edgy MD
Feb 06 2017 08:53 PM
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Tim Rohan's now working his night moves over at The MMQB, which looks like Sports Illustrated spinoff that's taking the Deadspin approach on an NFL-only level.

Edgy MD
Feb 06 2017 09:10 PM
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That day Adam Rubin joined the Pool.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Feb 07 2017 03:00 AM
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It's weird to envision the Metbeat without him, and him without constant, CONSTANT streams of Metly scoops.

Ceetar
Feb 07 2017 03:32 AM
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Edgy MD wrote:
James Wagner, who took the Times beat over from Bob Seger mid-season last year, is a native of Nicaragua and a native Spanish speaker. He made his bones doing a (terrible) crime story while he was still in school.



I somehow missed this (I don't even remember Seger either) which probably doesn't bode well for him adding anything of value, but I followed him and Abbey, which means I'm +2 beat 'guys' which I'm sure will annoy me when they all tweet the same stuff so I'm sure at least one will get the axe by May

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Feb 08 2017 04:28 AM
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Kevin Kernan's not a beater but a columnist but he's down at Spring Training early, filing stuff on Seth Lugo's disc golf game in an attempt to step into that Ruubin Vacuum. http://nypost.com/2017/02/06/inside-mlb ... g-met/amp/

G-Fafif
Feb 08 2017 06:09 PM
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Ceetar wrote:
Edgy MD wrote:
James Wagner, who took the Times beat over from Bob Seger
mid-season last year, is a native of Nicaragua and a native Spanish speaker. He made his bones doing a (terrible) crime story while he was still in school.



I somehow missed this (I don't even remember Seger either) which probably doesn't bode well for him adding anything of value, but I followed him and Abbey, which means I'm +2 beat 'guys' which I'm sure will annoy me when they all tweet the same stuff so I'm sure at least one will get the axe by May


Seger wasn't much on getting trade scoops during the day, but he was like a rock when it came to night moves. Since shifting to the Dodger beat, he's still the same working those Hollywood nights...or so I hear.

G-Fafif
Feb 17 2017 04:51 PM
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For those who missed it, Adam Rubin is now SID (or some such PR title) for the NYIT Bears athletic program.

Old Westbury's gain. Metsopotamia's loss.

G-Fafif
Mar 10 2017 12:46 PM
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Adam lets it all hang out for The 30.

https://30letter.wordpress.com/2017/03/ ... ar-minaya/

According to a reliable source (Rubin himself), ESPN doesn't care about Mets fans, at least not in a "thorough" way.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Mar 10 2017 01:13 PM
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Holy God, that was great. Roobs should write a book.

I have pretty good sources, and I was told Omar didn’t even know what “lobby” meant when he said it at the press conference


You don't say.

I was also reading and nodding all the way; I've been trying to hang in newsmedia for 25+ years and can say the finacial models, conditions and support for what we do has never been worse at the same time that the hunger for the work has probably never been higher.

I'd say in general I will cop to being of those guys perpetually dissatisfied with work but things really do suck today and I need a new career.

Ceetar
Mar 10 2017 09:00 PM
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Rubin is really just that Rovell guy for the Mets. or was. or whatever. I'd forgotten that in the years since I paid any attention to him.

Edgy MD
Mar 15 2017 01:39 AM
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Jared Diamond comes home with a fascinating scoop on the shadowy, underground world of independent batting coaches and the pupils they rescued from obcsurity and helped turn into All Stars.

Edgy MD
Mar 19 2017 10:12 PM
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Kevin Kernan breaks the open secret that one of the ushers at First Data Field is Sixers semi-great Steve Mix.

Frayed Knot
Mar 19 2017 10:21 PM
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A small item in one of the papers recently said that WFAN is likely to be cutting back on travel assignments for their longtime NYM reporter Ed Coleman (and also Sweeny Murti on the NYY side).
Nothing seems to be definite yet but speculation is that neither is going to be on road trips anywhere west of the Mississippi this year.

G-Fafif
Mar 30 2017 04:21 PM
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Sign of the times: Adam is now @AdamRubinMedia and has had to relinquish his Twitter check mark.

Ceetar
Mar 30 2017 04:34 PM
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G-Fafif wrote:
Sign of the times: Adam is now @AdamRubinMedia and has had to relinquish his Twitter check mark.


I'm sure he'll get it back, but has to be re verified. They pretty much verify anyone these days. If you submit the form they'll definitely verify you.

Edgy MD
Apr 04 2017 08:51 PM
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That didn't last long. Adam Rubin has taken a side gig, blogging for SNY/Metsblog.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Apr 04 2017 08:55 PM
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That guy is a maniac. He needs a good dose of wife-kids-and-mortgage.

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 04 2017 08:55 PM
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This was in the plan for a while. He mentioned it in the article that G-Fafif linked earlier in this thread, on March 10.

Edgy MD
Apr 04 2017 09:19 PM
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I had no idea.

But man, he'll still be covering the minors, which takes effort and shoe leather and stuff.

Ceetar
Apr 04 2017 10:56 PM
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and spoiling games and trolling I'm sure.

G-Fafif
Apr 05 2017 07:47 PM
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Attended the PitchTalks event in Brooklyn last night. The featured attraction was Hank Azaria, promoting his new IFC show Brockmire, whose pilot was screened. It's about a minor league baseball announcer who is climbing back from his fall from grace, to put it mildly. It was probably funnier because it was on an enormous screen shown in the company of a couple of hundred people with the star and creator on stage. But it was funny on its own merit. Premieres tonight at 10. DVR it if the Mets game is still on.

Also on the bill were Anthony DiComo and Marc Carig, both personable and loose. Biggest takeaway: Bartolo speaks great English, he just doesn't want to be bothered to talk to reporters most of the time. Also: Syndergaard looked amazing from behind home plate during a game against minor leaguers in PSL; Carig curses quite freely; they respect how good even the worst players are; they give the impression that they think Mets fans are a bit over the top in their emotional investment but seem to respect it; and the sense that another injury shoe is going to drop is almost a given with these guys.

Azaria sat in on that panel. He is truly one of us. "I can't believe Eric O'Flaherty is still in the major leagues!" was his response to Opening Day. None of this celebrity vagueness about rooting for New York.

Also on hand and charming as emcee: Jonah Keri, joined by Jay Jaffe of SI and Hannah Keyser of Deadspin for a general MLB panel. Fun night all around.

Ceetar
Apr 05 2017 08:16 PM
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I've always been intrigued by those but between kids and that it actually costs money to hear people that generally share their writing on the internet already, I've never pulled the trigger.

How was Hannah Keyser? She started by writing the most basic clickbait drivel for deadspin (their MO after all) but her Twitter always seemed mildly intelligent.

Frayed Knot
Apr 05 2017 08:40 PM
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G-Fafif wrote:
Azaria sat in on that panel. He is truly one of us. "I can't believe Eric O'Flaherty is still in the major leagues!" was his response to Opening Day. None of this celebrity vagueness about rooting for New York.


Heard Azaria on a radio interview a few days ago. When asked if he could/would-like-to-be a real baseball announcer he admitted that he's more of a Mets fan than he is an all-purpose baseball fan.
IOW, knows that O'Flaherty is still in the league because he saw him pitch on Monday but likely not as up to date on the rest of the NL. But then also claimed to record and watch 'Daily News Live' on a regular basis.
"Hey", he said, "I only work three hours a week".

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 05 2017 08:46 PM
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Frayed Knot wrote:
...he admitted that he's more of a Mets fan than he is an all-purpose baseball fan.
IOW, knows that O'Flaherty is still in the league because he saw him pitch on Monday but likely not as up to date on the rest of the NL.


It's like he's my brother from another mother!

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Apr 05 2017 08:49 PM
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I never thought I'd see the day when a Hollywood Celebrity has a better memory of ex-Mets than I do. I saw you guys discussing OFlaherty as an ex-Met the other day and I was like "when?"

I had to look up my own data to remind me he was a post-deadline guy in 2015, and wore #44.

Frayed Knot
Apr 06 2017 12:20 AM
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G-Fafif wrote:
Bartolo speaks great English, he just doesn't want to be bothered to talk to reporters most of the time.


Ichiro is like that; can speak English but chooses not to.
His inevitable HoF induction will be interesting as it'll be the first time 99% of baseball ever hears him speak.
Of course he's also vowed to play until he's at least 50 so many of those who watched him play will no longer be alive.



they give the impression that they think Mets fans are a bit over the top in their emotional investment but seem to respect it ...


Dealing with Met fans has got to be one of the tougher parts of that job.

G-Fafif
Apr 06 2017 05:24 AM
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Ceetar wrote:
I've always been intrigued by those but between kids and that it actually costs money to hear people that generally share their writing on the internet already, I've never pulled the trigger.

How was Hannah Keyser? She started by writing the most basic clickbait drivel for deadspin (their MO after all) but her Twitter always seemed mildly intelligent.


Keyser was professional with a touch of mischief. She talked about the series she wrote on the smuggling of Cuban ballplayers but also answered a deadly serious audience question about pressure from the business side to write things a certain way rather playfully before admitting, no, nobody's bothered her.

Dealing with Met fans has got to be one of the tougher parts of that job.


The dealing is something the previous generation of beat writers didn't have to dirty their hands with. These guys interact social-mediatically, if you will, probably because they have to, probably because on some level they enjoy it until they don't. DiComo has been a Met writer all his working life, it seems (been with MLB.com for a decade, having started as an intern, covering the Mets all along) and seems to accept Mets fans as the breed we/they are. There's a still a touch of the outsider perspective in Carig, which is probably helpful. They both hung out and mingled later, as did everybody else, save for Azaria, though he appeared approachable during one of the intermissions.

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 07 2017 12:39 PM
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Bill Madden is back with the Daily News.

Edgy MD
Apr 07 2017 01:25 PM
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I hadn't realized Bill Madden was on the planet.

Frayed Knot
Apr 07 2017 01:26 PM
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Edgy MD wrote:
I hadn't realized Bill Madden was on the planet.


I think if Madden were one of the participants in Elon Musk's mission to Mars we would have heard about it already.

G-Fafif
May 01 2017 08:09 PM
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Groping through Twitter for updates as Sandy press conference supposed to have begun, not finding anything new from the crew. Days like this a fan misses Adam Rubin.

MFS62
May 29 2017 05:41 PM
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We're not the only ones concerned with current baseball writing.

http://www.billjamesonline.com/modern_baseball_writing/

Interesting read. I think the reduction in the number of newspapers, and the resultant reduction of newspaper sports writers has been off set by coverage in other media. But I feel that has made the writers who remain get snarkier and more outrageous as they battle for readership and that had made them less readable.

Not sure if this should be spun off into a separate thread.

Later

Ceetar
May 30 2017 02:25 PM
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MFS62 wrote:
We're not the only ones concerned with current baseball writing.

http://www.billjamesonline.com/modern_baseball_writing/

Interesting read. I think the reduction in the number of newspapers, and the resultant reduction of newspaper sports writers has been off set by coverage in other media. But I feel that has made the writers who remain get snarkier and more outrageous as they battle for readership and that had made them less readable.

Not sure if this should be spun off into a separate thread.

Later


This this is the key paragraph:

It’s not all good. There are team-centric, unpaid bloggers and writers for mainstream, or wanna-be mainstream sites, some of them even making decent money, who do little more than regurgitate passages from other sites’ stories, maybe adding a few sentences of "analysis" that add nothing of value. All that "content" does is crowd good writing and original analysis out of the sports space.


The Internet creates more noise, and sometimes it's harder to see the signal. But it's there, and it's strong. And the thing about the noise is, sometimes it's not just noise, but someone else signal. You may find tweets about food/dinner annoying, but someone else in the same space enjoys them. There's no more "I can't believe the Times wasted space covering X" because we have unlimited space.

There are more great writers out there, it's just less linear. You have to put in the work yourself to find them, they're not automatically the regular columnist at the New York Times. And that's the real key. Previously it was a bit of a tautology, "This guy's the best because he writes for the Times. He writes for the Times because he's the best" There were almost definitely better writers out there that didn't go into sports writing or get the chance, that today could spend a few hours a week on a blog and get noticed.