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Great Again, America Shows Trump the Door Contest

d'Kong76 Feb 02 2017 04:28 PM

While this is no laughing matter and the daily tweets and blurts and chin dribble are dangerously disturbing; let's take a break, dream and vote on when the 25th Amendment, Sec 4 is implemented! Please choose a date and time: March 13, 2017, 12 Noon EST

Benjamin Grimm Feb 02 2017 04:32 PM Re: Great Again, America Shows Trump the Door Contest

I don't think it will happen, but I think it should happen. If it was up to the Senate majority I think we'd have a better chance. I guess it depends on a combination of Mike Pence's ambition, conscience, wisdom, and loyalty. And while I know it's easy enough to disdain him (and I do) it's impossible to know what he'd really think about something like this.

Edgy MD Feb 02 2017 04:33 PM Re: Great Again, America Shows Trump the Door Contest

July 4, 2019. 2:22 PM

d'Kong76 Feb 02 2017 04:38 PM Re: Great Again, America Shows Trump the Door Contest

We need a time, Edge... ya know, in case of a tie!

Benjamin Grimm Feb 02 2017 04:40 PM Re: Great Again, America Shows Trump the Door Contest

I'll play along too! June 17, 2018. 3 a.m. Eastern Time. Exactly ten years after the firing of Willie Randolph.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Feb 02 2017 04:45 PM Re: Great Again, America Shows Trump the Door Contest

I'm optimistic: March 1, 2017, 9 am Failing that, I think DJT fakes a heart attack and quits, pretty soon. No way does he have the desire to keep this up.

Benjamin Grimm Feb 02 2017 04:57 PM Re: Great Again, America Shows Trump the Door Contest

I've found that we're not the only ones talking about this. The Chicago Tribune wrote: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opin ... story.html In these dark days, some around the globe are finding solace in the 25th Amendment to the Constitution. This previously obscure amendment states that "the Vice President and a majority of … the principal officers of the executive departments" can declare the president "unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office," in which case "the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President." This is option three for getting rid of Trump: an appeal to Vice President Mike Pence's ambitions. Surely Pence wants to be president himself one day, right? Pence isn't exactly a political moderate — he's been unremittingly hostile to gay rights, he's a climate change skeptic, etc. — but, unappealing as his politics may be to many Americans, he does not appear to actually be insane. (This is the new threshold for plausibility in American politics: "not actually insane.") Presumably, Pence is sane enough to oppose rash acts involving, say, the evisceration of all U.S. military alliances, or America's first use of nuclear weapons - and presumably, if things got bad enough, other Trump cabinet members might also be inclined to oust their boss and replace him with his vice president. Congress would have to acquiesce in a permanent 25th Amendment removal, but if Pence and half the cabinet declared Trump unfit, even a Republican-controlled Congress would likely fall in line. http://www.salon.com/2017/01/25/dont-lo ... peachment/ ...the language of the amendment clearly encompasses other scenarios besides physical incapacitation. This topic was a subject of discussion toward the end of the Reagan administration, when it became obvious that the president was suffering a loss of cognitive ability. It wasn’t invoked then but as we now know, Reagan was indeed suffering from the early stages of Alzheimer’s disease. Had it become more acute or obvious while he was in office, Congress might well have had to take action as laid out in the amendment. It’s obvious that Trump has a narcissistic personality, which in itself is not disqualifying. He’s not the first president to have one; nor will he be the last. But his issues seem to run deeper than that. Some observers have suggested that he shows the characteristics of classic psychopathy. And there are plenty of people who see his behavior as blatantly self-destructive. Follow David Frum ✔ @davidfrum Pro tip: when meeting w the people who have the power to remove you under the 25th amendment, try not to say anything glaringly insane https://twitter.com/abbydphillip/status ... 9144984576 … 8:47 PM - 23 Jan 2017 3,326 3,326 Retweets 6,216 6,216 likes Of course it’s an extreme long shot that members of Trump’s Cabinet or the Republican leadership in Congress would ever take such a drastic step. (Although it’s not at all hard to imagine that in their hearts many of them would prefer President Mike Pence.) This would only happen if Trump really started to behave in a unhinged fashion. After all the bizarre behavior he has exhibited over the past 18 months, one cannot help but wonder: What could possibly count as going too far? It’s almost too terrifying to imagine. http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2 ... /96926120/ ...incapacitation by insanity is not something we have much experience with. Perhaps the closest we came is in 1974, as the Watergate scandal was closing in on Nixon, when he began drinking heavily and close aides worried about his mental status. The 25th Amendment was not invoked, yet Defense Secretary James Schlesinger violated the chain of command and ordered the military to intercept all emergency orders, especially any involving nuclear weapons, and convey them to him or to Secretary of State Henry Kissinger for clearance. None of these precedents but the last is pertinent to the situation we'd face if President Trump went off his Oval Office rocker. Though it is impossible to forecast how such a dangerous scenario would play out, we do know this: “25th Amendment” would be the two words on everyone’s lips. And there's a lot more!

Mets Willets Point Feb 02 2017 04:59 PM Re: Great Again, America Shows Trump the Door Contest

February 19, 2017, noon. William Henry Harrison is edged out of the record books.

metsmarathon Feb 02 2017 07:11 PM Re: Great Again, America Shows Trump the Door Contest

march 1, 2017, at 9:55 PM to close out the february sweeps.

Fman99 Feb 02 2017 08:10 PM Re: Great Again, America Shows Trump the Door Contest

I think this whole thing lingers into the summertime. I'm going with June 29th, 2017, at precisely 12 noon.

batmagadanleadoff Feb 02 2017 08:15 PM Re: Great Again, America Shows Trump the Door Contest

I'm trying to figure out what it would take the GOP controlled Hill to ice Trump. Would it be one singular act that, alone, would be enough to seal Trump's fate? Or would it be a cumulative effect resulting in some "last straw"?

cooby Feb 02 2017 08:16 PM Re: Great Again, America Shows Trump the Door Contest

If we're going until late June let's go with June 25, my birthday. And Pence declines to step in.

MFS62 Feb 02 2017 09:55 PM Re: Great Again, America Shows Trump the Door Contest

July 4, 2017 Independence Day. And he'll think the parades will be thanking him for his brief, but effective, service to America. Later

Lefty Specialist Feb 02 2017 10:14 PM Re: Great Again, America Shows Trump the Door Contest

He won't be impeached. But he will soon discover he doesn't like the job and will resign at midnight on January 1, 2019, giving Mike Pence almost two years to run as an incumbent.

TransMonk Feb 02 2017 10:29 PM Re: Great Again, America Shows Trump the Door Contest

I doubt they consider impeachment until more violence comes. Trump has emboldened ISIS exponentially in the past week. He has been polarizing American citizens based on class and race for well over a year now. He bullies our enemies and insults our friends. The only thing I can agree on is that his style is not sustainable.

A Boy Named Seo Feb 02 2017 10:49 PM Re: Great Again, America Shows Trump the Door Contest

Forget impeachment, the more immediate question is what's the date this asshole gets us into another war? Next week?

d'Kong76 Feb 02 2017 11:54 PM Re: Great Again, America Shows Trump the Door Contest

This isn't The Impeachment Contest, It's the 25th Amendment (Sec 4) contest.

A Boy Named Seo Feb 03 2017 02:32 AM Re: Great Again, America Shows Trump the Door Contest

d'Kong76 wrote: This isn't The Impeachment Contest, It's the 25th Amendment (Sec 4) contest. I thank the gentleman from No Westchester, NY, and duly stand corrected. If the pleases the forum, I will submit to the NBF a "Predict the date when this asshole gets us into another war thread". I yield the rest of my keystrokes.

d'Kong76 Feb 03 2017 03:01 AM Re: Great Again, America Shows Trump the Door Contest

Oh come now, Senator... just being silly in a silly thread. I actually thought earlier that I was pre-ejectedulating, but a few others picked even earlier dates than me.

A Boy Named Seo Feb 03 2017 03:58 AM Re: Great Again, America Shows Trump the Door Contest

Yah, just takin the piss. I'll say after he gets us into a 'skirmish' with Mexico, the 25th Amendment (that is, section 4) gets triggered on Xmas, 2018 in a dramatic late-night, pajama-filled, television spectacle.

Fman99 Feb 03 2017 12:39 PM Re: Great Again, America Shows Trump the Door Contest

d'Kong76 wrote: I actually thought earlier that I was pre-ejectedulating You should think about baseball. Like anyone needs to be told that in February.

Nymr83 Feb 03 2017 01:10 PM Re: Great Again, America Shows Trump the Door Contest

He has been polarizing American citizens based on class and race for well over a year now. This perfectly describes what the Democrats have been doing since at least 2008

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 03 2017 03:17 PM Re: Great Again, America Shows Trump the Door Contest

With all due respect, fuck off with that ignorant noise. If you don't see systemic racism or its still-palpable aftereffects in our country's political superstructure, well, it's almost certainly because you've been a beneficiary of it (unwitting or otherwise). I don't presume to know what it's like to grow up black, or transgendered, or as part of a farming family. You don't get to tell people what they are or aren't experiencing. Acknowledging this truth doesn't make one divisive, heaping bullshit on the national discussion; it marks one as a realist, someone who's willing to pick up a shovel to help clear what's still there, suffocating and smothering. You're unwilling to dig? Then sit down and shut up while the rest of us do the hard work. As to the other thing... yeah, we'll be a millions-of-acres-wide crater, ringed by bombed-out Wal-Mart husks, before any emergency Trumpectomy. What do I win when I'm right about that?

Ceetar Feb 03 2017 03:25 PM Re: Great Again, America Shows Trump the Door Contest

Nymr83 wrote: He has been polarizing American citizens based on class and race for well over a year now. This perfectly describes what the Democrats have been doing since at least 2008 at least, that's what the Republicans use as a campaign platform to try to drum up support, for a very loosely defined sense of 'class' and 'race' so that it seems to incorporate a large amount of people. None of it's actually true of course, but who campaigns on truth anymore?

Lefty Specialist Feb 03 2017 04:09 PM Re: Great Again, America Shows Trump the Door Contest

MFS62 wrote: July 4, 2017 Independence Day. And he'll think the parades will be thanking him for his brief, but effective, service to America. Later Awesome. Since the rule now is that a president can't nominate a Supreme Court justice in the last year of his term, Gorsuch is out!

Mets Willets Point Feb 03 2017 05:36 PM Re: Great Again, America Shows Trump the Door Contest

Nymr83 wrote: He has been polarizing American citizens based on class and race for well over a year now. This perfectly describes what the Democrats have been doing since at least 2008 Must be nice to live in a white, male, conservative fantasy land where you can make up totally farcical shit and have yourself believe it.

Benjamin Grimm Feb 03 2017 05:49 PM Re: Great Again, America Shows Trump the Door Contest

Well, it is the Democrats' fault that America is racially polarized because they had the audacity to nominate and elect a black dude.

A Boy Named Seo Feb 03 2017 06:10 PM Re: Great Again, America Shows Trump the Door Contest

There would be no racism if you guys would just shut up about all the racism.

d'Kong76 May 22 2017 06:37 PM Re: Great Again, America Shows Trump the Door Contest

Anyone want to re-bet or change their predictions? (expanding to impeachment, stepping down, etc...)

metsmarathon May 22 2017 07:18 PM Re: Great Again, America Shows Trump the Door Contest

sooner couldn't come soon enough.

Lefty Specialist May 22 2017 10:44 PM Re: Great Again, America Shows Trump the Door Contest

'Answer Unclear'

Edgy MD Jul 12 2017 04:36 PM Re: Great Again, America Shows Trump the Door Contest

*Bump*

TransMonk Jul 12 2017 05:24 PM Re: Great Again, America Shows Trump the Door Contest

I feel we're closer than I thought we would be at this point...though, the Rs in Congress never fail to push the envelope on how much treason they can withstand to remain in "power".

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 12 2017 06:47 PM Re: Great Again, America Shows Trump the Door Contest

Ryan "won't respond to hypotheticals" when asked what he'd do if he were offered dirt on opponents from hostile foreign power. What a bunch of bastards.

Fman99 Jul 12 2017 07:15 PM Re: Great Again, America Shows Trump the Door Contest

Republicunts.

d'Kong76 Jul 12 2017 07:28 PM Re: Great Again, America Shows Trump the Door Contest

Forget who I heard say this yesterday (but I don't think it's fake news) that the the lawyer(s) (firm) hired by T Jr has represented 4 of the known 5 top organized NYC crime families.

Lefty Specialist Jul 12 2017 07:53 PM Re: Great Again, America Shows Trump the Door Contest

Well, now it's all five. :) I don't think my timetable is moved up any. Mueller's investigation is going to take at least a year, if he's allowed to finish it. It'll take months beyond that for any serious proceedings to take place; in fact I'd expect Republicans to delay any action until after the election. If they take a drubbing, they'll take it out on Trump. If they do better than expected they may find ways not to impeach. There'll always be that 40% who think this is all made up, no matter how much evidence you give them. They'll still be waiting for America to magically become Great Again. I still think he resigns rather than gets impeached. He hates being President but loves getting his ass kissed. Once he stops getting those buttock smooches, he'll find an excuse to move on.

Edgy MD Jul 12 2017 08:03 PM Re: Great Again, America Shows Trump the Door Contest

The Boggianos never get any respect.

Mets Willets Point Jul 12 2017 08:16 PM Re: Great Again, America Shows Trump the Door Contest

My date is well passed and the longer this goes on the less optomistic I am that we'll ever have a democratically elected government again. 2016 VP candidate Tim Kaine is tweeting today about working with the Republicans for bipartisan solutions as if somehow not in a place where a revolutionary overthrow of the government is the only option we have left.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 03 2018 08:23 PM Re: Great Again, America Shows Trump the Door Contest

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I'll play along too! June 17, 2018. 3 a.m. Eastern Time. Exactly ten years after the firing of Willie Randolph. My day is coming up in just over two months!

Edgy MD Apr 03 2018 08:41 PM Re: Great Again, America Shows Trump the Door Contest

I saw this thread come up and I thought Mueller submitted a report to Congress.

MFS62 Apr 04 2018 12:17 AM Re: Great Again, America Shows Trump the Door Contest

Edgy MD wrote: I saw this thread come up and I thought Mueller submitted a report to Congress. We can only hope its soon. Later

Benjamin Grimm Aug 23 2018 05:08 PM Re: Great Again, America Shows Trump the Door Contest

Edgy's the only one left alive in this game. He picked July 4, 2019. My date of June 2018 has passed and everyone else picked dates in 2017.

MFS62 Aug 23 2018 05:48 PM Re: Great Again, America Shows Trump the Door Contest

d'Kong76 wrote: Forget who I heard say this yesterday (but I don't think it's fake news) that the the lawyer(s) (firm) hired by T Jr has represented 4 of the known 5 top organized NYC crime families. Lefty Specialist Now its five Which reminds me, why can't they just bring RICO charges against the entire family? There's enough tax evasion and money laundering to go around. Later

Lefty Specialist Aug 23 2018 07:22 PM Re: Great Again, America Shows Trump the Door Contest

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Edgy's the only one left alive in this game. He picked July 4, 2019. My date of June 2018 has passed and everyone else picked dates in 2017. Ahem, I picked 1/1/19.......so I’ve got another 4+ months of action and adventure left.

d'Kong76 Aug 23 2018 07:57 PM Re: Great Again, America Shows Trump the Door Contest

MFS62 wrote: d'Kong76 wrote: Forget who I heard say this yesterday (but I don't think it's fake news) that the the lawyer(s) (firm) hired by T Jr has represented 4 of the known 5 top organized NYC crime families. Lefty Specialist Go back a re-read. Look at the dates you're dragging up too.

MFS62 Aug 23 2018 08:46 PM Re: Great Again, America Shows Trump the Door Contest

Forget who I heard say this yesterday (but I don't think it's fake news) that the the lawyer(s) (firm) hired by T Jr has represented 4 of the known 5 top organized NYC crime families. Lefty Specialist Go back a re-read. Look at the dates you're dragging up too. Yes, but those comments came to mind based on yesterday's news: https://www.syracuse.com/state/index.ss ... ation.html The whole family is implicated (well, maybe not Tyfani and Baron). Crime family -> RICO Later

d'Kong76 Aug 23 2018 09:29 PM Re: Great Again, America Shows Trump the Door Contest

Your response that it was Lefty Specialist was who I read it from.

MFS62 Aug 23 2018 10:35 PM Re: Great Again, America Shows Trump the Door Contest

d'Kong76 wrote: Your response that it was Lefty Specialist was who I read it from. No, I gave you both credit. You said four of five. He later added the fifth. I quoted both of you. I don't know how else you interpreted that. Later