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Frayed Knot Feb 27 2017 02:48 PM

Gary alluded during the telecast of Sunday's game about how many former 1st round (or 1-Supp) draft choices the Mets had in that day's starting lineup. Going through this year's roster - or at least the potential one - I find: MATT HARVEY - picked 7th overall by the Mets in 2010 MICHAEL CONFORTO - 10th - METS - 2014 BRANDON NIMMO - 11th - METS - 2011 NEIL WALKER - 11th - PIRATES - 2004 DOM SMITH - 11th - METS - 2013 GAVIN CECCHINI - 12th - METS - 2012 JAY BRUCE - 12th - REDS - 2005 SEAN GILMARTIN - 28th -BRAVES - 2011 JOSH SMOKER - 31st - NATIONALS - 2007 TRAVIS d'ARNAUD - 37th - PHILLIES - 2010 NOAH SYNDERGAARD - 38th - BLUE JAYS - 2010 KEVIN PLAWECKI - 38th - METS - 2012 DAVID WRIGHT - 38th - METS - 2001 And since I was getting much of this info from last year's page on BB-Ref, I'll also throw in: JAMES LONEY - 19th - DODGERS - 2002 KELLY JOHNSON - 38th - BRAVES - 2000 (who'll probably be back on before long anyway) (note to team: try and secure the 38th pick each year - good things seem to happen in that spot) Other NYM 1st round picks still active elsewhere: MIKE PELFREY (Tigers) - 9th in 2005 SCOTT KAZMIR (Dodgers) - 15th in 2002 IKE DAVIS (Dodgers?) - 18th in 2008 MICHAEL FULMER (Tigers) - 44th in 2011 Most of us hear each June (and often repeat) the old adage about how the draft is such a crapshoot, and to a certain extent it is with plenty of stories of 1st round bombs balanced off by picks like Piazza (61st round) or Keith (42nd). But the percentage of 1st rounders having successful major league careers are MUCH higher than those picked in any other round that, flawed as it may be, it's still the overwhelming best source of talent.

DocTee Feb 27 2017 02:59 PM Re: 1st Round Picks

How can there be more first-round picks (44) than there are MLB teams (30)? Supplemental?

Frayed Knot Feb 27 2017 03:03 PM Re: 1st Round Picks

Yes, supplemental picks are generally treated as 1st round picks distinguished, if at all, as 1 and 1S. The exact number would fluctuate from year to year although generally is lower in recent years than in the past.

41Forever Feb 27 2017 03:19 PM Re: 1st Round Picks

That 2010 draft was the Bryce Harper year, and the Orioles nabbed Manny Machado with No. 3. Mets did well in that one! 1 Bryce 2 Jameson Taillon Pittsburgh Pirates 3 Manny Machado Baltimore Orioles 4 Christian Colón Kansas City Royals 5 Drew Pomeranz Cleveland Indians 6 Barret Loux Arizona Diamondbacks 7 Matt Harvey

Ceetar Feb 27 2017 03:21 PM Re: 1st Round Picks

41Forever wrote: That 2010 draft was the Bryce Harper year, and the Orioles nabbed Manny Machado with No. 3. Mets did well in that one! 1 Bryce 2 Jameson Taillon Pittsburgh Pirates 3 Manny Machado Baltimore Orioles 4 Christian Colón Kansas City Royals 5 Drew Pomeranz Cleveland Indians 6 Barret Loux Arizona Diamondbacks 7 Matt Harvey Thanks Omar?

41Forever Feb 27 2017 03:25 PM Re: 1st Round Picks

Ceetar wrote: 41Forever wrote: That 2010 draft was the Bryce Harper year, and the Orioles nabbed Manny Machado with No. 3. Mets did well in that one! 1 Bryce 2 Jameson Taillon Pittsburgh Pirates 3 Manny Machado Baltimore Orioles 4 Christian Colón Kansas City Royals 5 Drew Pomeranz Cleveland Indians 6 Barret Loux Arizona Diamondbacks 7 Matt Harvey Thanks Omar? Was that his last draft? I know his record is mixed, but he certainly left an imprint on the franchise.

seawolf17 Feb 27 2017 04:45 PM Re: 1st Round Picks

Omar, for what it's worth, was one of the catalysts for the Padres selecting Travis Jankowski in the first round out of Stony Brook -- saw him at a game on campus once -- which means if he was still with the Mets maybe they'd FUCKING DRAFT SOMEONE FROM ONE OF THEIR HOMETOWN UNIVERSITIES NOT THAT I'M BITTER OR ANYTHING

Benjamin Grimm Feb 27 2017 04:51 PM Re: 1st Round Picks

Maybe some day Tom Koehler will be a Met and we'll have to make jokes about how dumb he is every five days.

Edgy MD Feb 27 2017 05:01 PM Re: 1st Round Picks

Few will doubt the CV of Omar the scout. But Omar the personal manager and budget manager and value proposition guy and philosophy champion and all that stuff a GM is supposed to do and be including stuff I just made up? That's a different story.

seawolf17 Feb 27 2017 05:48 PM Re: 1st Round Picks

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Maybe some day Tom Koehler will be a Met and we'll have to make jokes about how dumb he is every five days. I do wonder what'll happen when TK out-salaries the Marlins in a few years. (I would have loved a Joe Nathan minor-league contract and ST invite at some point, though, Sandy.)

John Cougar Lunchbucket Feb 27 2017 06:00 PM Re: 1st Round Picks

All Long Island guys eventually get the chance to become Mets before they retire. It's a Wilpon thing.

Edgy MD Feb 27 2017 07:18 PM Re: 1st Round Picks

It's the Catalanotto Covenant.

Nymr83 Feb 28 2017 04:10 AM Re: 1st Round Picks

That 2010 draft was the Bryce Harper year, and the Orioles nabbed Manny Machado with No. 3. Mets did well in that one! 1 Bryce 2 Jameson Taillon Pittsburgh Pirates 3 Manny Machado Baltimore Orioles 4 Christian Colón Kansas City Royals 5 Drew Pomeranz Cleveland Indians 6 Barret Loux Arizona Diamondbacks 7 Matt Harvey I went to see who was taken after Harvey in that first round - some players who will likely end up having better careers than him: Syndegaard, Chris Sale, Christian Yelich, and maybe Aaron Sanchez, but also a ton of guys who never made it out of the minors - even high picks who only played a year or two of pro ball! There was one guy who turned down 2 million dollars to go to college. he got hurt a few times, isnt playing now. someone maybe should have told him that two million dollars could have paid for college, grad school, and a big party the entire time he was doing it if baseball didnt work out.

Edgy MD Feb 28 2017 04:23 AM Re: 1st Round Picks

Yeah, but it's a terrible system that forces a guy to pick between the two. If I have great civil engineering skills, nobody tells me I can't take a scholarship to Stanford if I take a job surveying over the summer.

batmagadanleadoff Feb 28 2017 05:29 AM Re: 1st Round Picks

Go ahead and try to find a Summer only opening on a Major League roster.

Edgy MD Feb 28 2017 06:00 AM Re: 1st Round Picks

Draftees not named Kaline don't go straight to the bigs. They almost always start out in summer-only leagues. The broader point is the alleged purity of amateur athletics is a thinly veiled cover for exploitation.

Nymr83 Feb 28 2017 06:12 AM Re: 1st Round Picks

Edgy MD wrote: Draftees not named Kaline don't go straight to the bigs. They almost always start out in summer-only leagues. I don't see anything wrong with the choice. Your hypothetical "summer surveying intern" probably gets paid a few thousand at most. These guys are getting offered hundreds of thousands if not millions to delay school and take a real job seriously - because a minor league career is just that - a real, full-time job and not some half-assed "summer job". If they don't like the commitment, they are free to make other choices. My point was simply that it is an incredibly dumb move - likely fed by dumb advice from the more "mature" adults in their life - to turn down a job that instanty pays you 10x or more the cost of college in order to go to college. if you really do have the academic ability college then college is there later and you'll have more than enough money to fall back on it. and if you are just a "dumb jock" who can't get in to a good school without the athletic career then its probably the right choice to take the money anyway!

batmagadanleadoff Feb 28 2017 06:22 AM Re: 1st Round Picks

Edgy MD wrote: Draftees not named Kaline don't go straight to the bigs. They almost always start out in summer-only leagues. The broader point is the alleged purity of amateur athletics is a thinly veiled cover for exploitation. I get your second point. As to your first, it would seem that a Summer Leaguer is free to enroll for the Fall semester. But maybe his team wants him to play Winter Ball? What's the issue? Most minor leaguers work in the Winter to make more $$ because if they're not modern day Kalines, they're probably paid starvation wages to play in the Minors.

Edgy MD Feb 28 2017 01:28 PM Re: 1st Round Picks

Well, my first point is that there's no good reason a player can't (a) play for his school under scholarship and then play for his professional organization when the college season ends. (b) or, perhaps, play for his school under scholarship and not play for a professional organization, but accept their bonus money early in his college career, with the contractual understanding that he begins playing for them as soon as he is done playing for his college. (c) compete in the Olympics while earning money as a professional athlete, which inexplicably, is allowed in some sports, but not in others. Biaggio Ali Walsh, Muhammed Ali's grandson, is a star football player that can't put his other athletic skills to work for him while he begins his college football career. But he has put the physique his hard work and talent have given him, and he's put that physique to work, signing a modeling contract. But amazingly, the NCAA has a bylaw for modeling: "Continuation of Modeling and Other Non-athletically Related Promotional Activities After Enrollment." Essentially, he can earn money as a dude-model as long as he doesn't represent himself as an athlete. Pose walking down the street in some jaunty street apparel from FCUK, and ka-ching. But if they photograph you with a skateboard, there goes your scholarship. It's stupid.

MFS62 Feb 28 2017 01:32 PM Re: 1st Round Picks

The NCAA has a stupid rule? I'm shocked. (SM=97) Later

seawolf17 Feb 28 2017 01:46 PM Re: 1st Round Picks

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: All Long Island guys eventually get the chance to become Mets before they retire. It's a Wilpon thing. Edgy MD wrote: It's the Catalanotto Covenant. Which reminds me, I need to get a HARNISCH 27 shirt at some point.

MFS62 Feb 28 2017 01:53 PM Re: 1st Round Picks

seawolf17 wrote: Which reminds me, I need to get a HARNISCH 27 shirt at some point. That's the guy I was trying to remember the other day because of his pitching motion. Thanks. Oh, I wouldn't buy his shirt. Later

Frayed Knot Feb 28 2017 02:12 PM Re: 1st Round Picks

I went to see who was taken after Harvey in that first round ... but also a ton of guys who never made it out of the minors - even high picks who only played a year or two of pro ball! I stat I've heard before is that on average about 1/4 of all 1st round draft picks never see a day in the big leagues - and that's even limiting it to just the top 30 picks before getting into the supplementals. That failure rate almost always includes someone -- or several someones -- from the among the top-10 overall picks. There is some thought that teams are getting slightly better at the whole draft thing in recent years* so that the 75% success rate is creeping up a bit but, even if true, the progress is only incremental the degree of progress is tough to quantify. * a quick check of the 10 year span from 2000-2009 shows 76% who did make a ML roster (72 of 300 did not) although the 2000 & 2001 drafts were particularly bad: 14 of 30 failed to make an ML roster out of the 2000 group (including 5 of the top 10) and then 11 more in 2001 (incl. 8 of the first 17 picks) and therefore dragged the overall average down. Take out those two years and the success rate of the more recent eight drafts nudges up to just over 80%, although still almost always with at least one top-10 pick failing to make that ultimate graduation step.

seawolf17 Feb 28 2017 04:57 PM Re: 1st Round Picks

MFS62 wrote: seawolf17 wrote: Which reminds me, I need to get a HARNISCH 27 shirt at some point. That's the guy I was trying to remember the other day because of his pitching motion. Thanks. Oh, I wouldn't buy his shirt. Later Only because we went to the same high school and lived in the same neighborhood.