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#%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

Centerfield Apr 21 2017 01:40 PM

I don't know why we even bother to play Granderson in April. We should just put him on the DL until May 1. Conforto has to play every day. I know, let's play short-handed for a week before we put anyone on the DL. Even though the DL has been shortened to 10 days. Must be a bad cramp if you then have to get an MRI the next day.

Centerfield Apr 21 2017 01:44 PM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

Oh, and we're going to get fucking swept this weekend.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 21 2017 01:47 PM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

So... Duda, Cespedes, and Flores are unavailable, so we'll have a two-man bench, both catchers? Position players are d'Arnaud, Plawecki, Rivera, Walker, Cabrera, Reyes, Granderson, Bruce, Conforto, and Lagares? I would think they pretty much have to make a roster move before the game starts. Take the guy who seems furthest away and put him on the 10-day.

G-Fafif Apr 21 2017 02:29 PM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

I fucking applaud the existence of this thread.

TransMonk Apr 21 2017 02:52 PM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

Honestly, other than the win streak from 4/9-4/13, the 2017 team has been pretty tough to watch. Through the first 10% of the season, they are not meeting my expectations.

d'Kong76 Apr 21 2017 03:01 PM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

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TransMonk Apr 22 2017 12:36 PM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

I think that is now 5 times in 9 losses where there was a tied score at some point in the ninth inning. Infuriating.

Frayed Knot Apr 22 2017 01:06 PM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

TransMonk wrote: I think that is now 5 times in 9 losses where there was a tied score at some point in the ninth inning. Six losses in nine if you want to track those lost via the other team's last at bat. Three games lost in extra innings plus two other walk-offs and one game in Miami where the Marlins scored three in the bottom of the 8th so didn't need to bat in the 9th

Ashie62 Apr 22 2017 03:46 PM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

Travis will make the DL yet. TC and the use of his bullpen confounds me.

Rockin' Doc Apr 23 2017 12:35 AM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

The Mets offense needs more hitters (capable of .275 or better BA & .350 OBP) and less sluggers (low BP & low OBP, but lot of HR's). The offense is too dependent upon HRs to score. Due to low BA & OBP, many of the HRs are solo shots. The Mets are not very fast as a group so there is no manufaturing of runs and pressuring defenses with their speed. It's infuriatingly frustrating as a fan to watch the Mets offense most games; I can hardly imagine what it must be like for the starting pitching staff. The team needs an infusion of younger, faster players, that can get on base and run once they get there.

Edgy MD Apr 23 2017 12:44 AM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

They certainly have younger, faster players. Whether they are going to be better at on-basing is another matter, but I agree with everything you write. But it seems like something is broken in the philosophy. They preach plate discipline throughout the system and they hack like animals up in the big leagues.

G-Fafif Apr 23 2017 01:32 AM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

The Mets currently have the opposite of stage presence. It's stage absence. The Nationals are playing an invisible opponent that can't take advantage of their inability to be seen.

Ashie62 Apr 23 2017 02:06 AM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

Terry Collins is a weak old man.

HahnSolo Apr 23 2017 12:19 PM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

Neil Walker looks like a professional check-casher out there

TransMonk Apr 23 2017 03:28 PM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

I remember being surprised at how well Cabrera played D at shortstop last season. I'm not seeing that guy this season.

Ashie62 Apr 23 2017 03:41 PM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

Wheres that hot seat thread?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 23 2017 05:07 PM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

TransMonk wrote: I remember being surprised at how well Cabrera played D at shortstop last season. I'm not seeing that guy this season. Cabrera suddenly looks very old. That he's already having the same leg issues he had last year not encouraging.

G-Fafif Apr 23 2017 06:06 PM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

I have a hard time envisioning either Walker or Cabrera halting the path of a ground ball up the middle. They will confound those expectations now and then, but neither athlete seems what you'd call athletic.

Lefty Specialist Apr 23 2017 07:04 PM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

Annoys me that our humiliation will be carried live nationally on ESPN tonight. I can't watch.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 24 2017 01:24 AM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

G-Fafif wrote: I have a hard time envisioning either Walker or Cabrera halting the path of a ground ball up the middle. They will confound those expectations now and then, but neither athlete seems what you'd call athletic. That's what they are. It's what they were when we got them, and what they were prior to that. Leg injuries and further ossification won't help. #optimism

bmfc1 Apr 24 2017 01:29 AM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

G-Fafif is right. Both are good at catching the ball but it better be hit within a modest radius of where they are positioned.

bmfc1 Apr 24 2017 01:31 AM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

F U Sandy for not keeping Murphy. It was YOUR job to figure out if his post-season stardom was sustainable and you failed and failed big. F U Sandy for not doing a damn thing this off season after keeping Yo--the rest of the off-season was spent taking victory laps and putting his smug, arrogant face in front of the suck-up Mets media. He did nothing and so far, neither is his team.

Edgy MD Apr 24 2017 01:34 AM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

I want better on-base percentage, but I've got no big problem with Sandy.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 24 2017 02:20 AM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

Really. I mean, I'm sore about Murph, too, but y'all do realize that if the Mets had offered Murph a multiyear deal, then Cespedes wouldn't still be here, right? MY issue with second base is that they cleared the deck, more or less, for Dilson... then flipped him 2/3 of the way through the year for a win-now part.

bmfc1 Apr 24 2017 02:36 AM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

Good points LWFS. I'd like to think that a NY team coming off of a World Series appearance could afford both but not this ownership.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 24 2017 02:54 AM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

bmfc1 wrote: Good points LWFS. I'd like to think that a NY team coming off of a World Series appearance could afford both but not this ownership. I'm still mildly shocked Cespedes is still here, full stop.

MFS62 Apr 24 2017 02:07 PM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

bmfc1 wrote: G-Fafif is right. Both are good at catching the ball but it better be hit within a modest radius of where they are positioned. Y'mean, they play Derek Jeter Defense? Later

Frayed Knot Apr 24 2017 02:23 PM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

For the record, neither our SIGN MURPHY NOW discussion nor the inevitable MEMORIES OF MURPHY thread were chock full of "Go git 'em Sandy!" comments. We weren't exactly in the Gary Cohen "Net negative" camp and I think many of us would have been OK with the deal he eventually got [3 years - $37.5 mil] - but the feeling at the time seemed to be that it would take longer or higher (or both) to keep him and some wanted nothing more offered beyond the minimum 'Qualifying Offer' with a handful of 'don't let the door hit you ...' asides thrown in.

Ashie62 Apr 24 2017 02:57 PM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

We are fortunate Flore's staph infection did not spread throughout the locker room.

Lefty Specialist Apr 24 2017 03:02 PM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

Ashie62 wrote: We are fortunate Flore's staph infection did not spread throughout the locker room. I think Reyes' Emerald Ash Borer disease has spread to most of the team, however.

cooby Apr 24 2017 03:03 PM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

Wasn't Zack Wheeler off for like 10 years?

Ashie62 Apr 24 2017 03:05 PM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

Per todays NJ Advance, Cespedes a yes for Tuesday. d'fussy to the DL if not ready tuesday.

Ashie62 Apr 24 2017 03:38 PM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

Amed Rosario has 72 PA at Vegas and is hitting .402. He plays shortstop.

Lefty Specialist Apr 24 2017 05:36 PM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

Ashie62 wrote: Amed Rosario has 72 PA at Vegas and is hitting .402. He plays shortstop. A tempting morsel for the Panic City crowd. At the very least they wouldn't bring him up before the super-two deadline passes, whenever that is.

Edgy MD Apr 24 2017 05:50 PM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

A more conservative thought is that, outhitting him down there is Josh Rodriguez. He too plays shortstop.

smg58 Apr 24 2017 05:57 PM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

Neil Walker the Met was at least as good last year as Daniel Murphy the Met had ever been in the regular season. Murphy would have cost us a significant long-term commitment. Walker cost us Jon Niese. It's fair to ask what we missed regarding both Murphy and Justin Turner, but I'm not sure how much of that is on the GM as opposed to the staff. The next inning Dilson Herrera plays for the Reds will be his first. His .584 OPS at AAA won't earn him a quick promotion, either. And as bad as the Mets hitting has been, how much worse would it be without Bruce? He did singlehandedly win a game for us last week.

Frayed Knot Apr 24 2017 06:02 PM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Apr 24 2017 06:06 PM

Lefty Specialist wrote: Ashie62 wrote: Amed Rosario has 72 PA at Vegas and is hitting .402. He plays shortstop. A tempting morsel for the Panic City crowd. At the very least they wouldn't bring him up before the super-two deadline passes, whenever that is. There is no specific deadline or cut-off for arbitration purposes because it depends on the status of all players in his same category. In Rosario's case (assuming a 2017 call-up) it would depend on how his service time compares to all those in the >2 but < 3 year boat at the end of 2019. Generally if a team is going to make a call-up decision based on trying to delay future arb-eligibility by a year they'll wait until at least the first week in June. It's not a guarantee but it puts you closer to the safe zone. Beyond just his BA, almost all of Rosario's hits (23 of 27) have been singles so far. In fact they all were until just a few days ago but I see where he's tacked on 3 doubles and a triple lately. He also has just 3 walks in 72 PA and still less than 350 ABs above A-ball

Edgy MD Apr 24 2017 06:04 PM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

I'm not lamenting the significant long term commitment Murphy would have cost the Mets, especially if it was comparable to what he is costing the Nats. Otherwise, smg58 more or less hit for the cycle in that post above.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 24 2017 06:10 PM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

If the Mets wait another couple of weeks to call him up, the Mets will have Rosario under their control through 2023. If they wait another 12 months, plus a week or two, they'll have him under control through 2024. I can't help but think that there are big changes coming before next April. With Duda, Granderson, Bruce, Reyes, and Walker in their walk year, and an option on Cabrera, there will be decisions to be made. Can/would the Mets give starting jobs to Cecchini, Rosario, and Smith all at once? A very risky move to make when you're in win-now mode, a mode which I certainly hope they'll be in for 2018. I can also imagine them importing a speedy center fielder to hit at the top of their lineup for next year. But of course for now we have to mainly worry about 2017. I wouldn't panic yet; they have good players with good track records. I don't think these past nine-games are necessarily a harbinger of the next 143 games. The Mets have a hole to climb out of, and they may or may not do that, but we shouldn't rule them out any time soon.

Edgy MD Apr 24 2017 06:20 PM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I can't help but think that there are big changes coming before next April. With Duda, Granderson, Bruce, Reyes, and Walker in their walk year, and an option on Cabrera, there will be decisions to be made. René Rivera too! Can/would the Mets give starting jobs to Cecchini, Rosario, and Smith all at once? Don't forget Nimmo! My take is that some of these jobs will fall as the year progresses. Conforto has already made himself very difficult to remove from the lineup, no matter how healthy the Mets get. So hopefully, fewer decisions than all that will have to be made in December. And some of them can be half made. A fading but still useful player or two can be re-signed short-term, allowing him to continue defending his playing time as long as he can, while the Ceccchini class continues to try and take it from him. I think the number of transitions this year will be notable as we look back. It may mean a bad year or it may mean a good one. Changing on the fly is always risky, but one way or another, you end up with fresh legs. And in the Mets' case, money freed up to sign some of the pitchers.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 24 2017 06:26 PM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

Yeah, I can see them retaining Cabrera for 2018 (unless he totally breaks down) to help (along with Flores) to transition the infield next year. Especially if they choose to delay the promotion of Rosario until May 1.

Frayed Knot Apr 24 2017 07:32 PM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

If the Mets wait another couple of weeks to call him up, the Mets will have Rosario under their control through 2023. If they wait another 12 months, plus a week or two, they'll have him under control through 2024. You're mixing up arbitration eligibility with FA eligibility. The qualifications for each are different. FA requires six full seasons of ML service time with a full year of service time defined by anything within I think it's 12 days of a full year. The full ML season is, for accounting purposes, 182 days long and players get a day's worth of credit for every day they're up with the big boys. So if Rosario were to be called up tomorrow and never spend another day in the minors he'd end the 2022 season with 5 full years of service time and about 20 days short of his sixth, but it might as well be 150 days short because, either way, he won't qualify for FA-gency until the end of 2023 Arbitration is different in that while everyone with three years of ST qualifies and no one with only two years does, about 1/6 of those* with more than 2 but less than 3 also qualify, obviously the percentage of those with the most. So 2 years plus 150 days guarantees it and 2 years plus only a handful doesn't, those in between are in the gray area with no set amount since it depends on how they compare to each other. If the Mets are going to turn to Rosario because Asdrubal goes down or something I don't think the arb situation would matter to them much. The FA date is different as in what the Cubs did with Kris Bryant a few years back deciding that he needed more "seasoning" until calling him up on April 17, 2015. That move pissed Scott Boras off to no end and everyone knew what the Cubs were up to with their decision that he "wasn't ready" on opening day, but there was nothing they could do about it. FA is obviously the much bigger deal. All delaying Arb does is make the theoretical Year 3 contract less expensive by keeping it under direct team control. And while that's not something those in charge of budgets want to ignore, it has no effect on how long a team can control the player and really only affects the salary for that one year, and even that can be negated by a long-term deal buying out the arb years if the player is any good or not caring if he turns out to suck. * I think they altered this slightly in the last CBA, so that pct may not be exact. oe: it's now 22% - so say if in a given year there were 50 players with > 2 but < 3 years of service time, the 11 with the most time would be arb-elgible regardless of exactly when they were first called up or how they accumulated that time

Benjamin Grimm Apr 24 2017 07:51 PM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

Frayed Knot wrote: You're mixing up arbitration eligibility with FA eligibility. The qualifications for each are different. I know there's a difference. I don't know the exact dates, but the Mets do have to delay Rosario's callup to delay free agency. So maybe they're already at the point where Rosario has been secured through 2023. I recall seeing delayed callups for Ike Davis and a few other players because of this. And yes, delaying free agency is a much bigger deal than delaying arbitration.

Edgy MD Apr 24 2017 08:12 PM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

Frayed Knot wrote: For the record, neither our SIGN MURPHY NOW discussion nor the inevitable MEMORIES OF MURPHY thread were chock full of "Go git 'em Sandy!" comments. These were great re-reads. Good huntin'!

Ashie62 Apr 24 2017 08:36 PM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

Edgy MD wrote: A more conservative thought is that, outhitting him down there is Josh Rodriguez. He too plays shortstop. Rodriguez would be a 32 year old placeholder?

Edgy MD Apr 24 2017 08:39 PM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

Well, he's certainly no long-term solution.

41Forever Apr 25 2017 12:08 AM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

I think it is too early to panic. They didn't get blown out or look overmatched in these games. But I think it's OK to be frustrated when the same damn things happen year after year. I know Travis is a catcher, and catchers get banged up. It seems like a lot of his injuries are things that happen to him -- like getting hit with a bat -- than his body having an issue. But still, this guy can't stay on the field. Duda's injuries seem different. He also can't stay on the field. I know he's a beast when he goes on a tear. But at some point you have to think that they have to go with someone who can actually stay healthy. Cabrera's another guy who when he's healthy is great, but you always hear that he's nursing this injury or that. At least he's on the field. He seems more like an old-time gamer. I don't know what to think of Cespedes, who also always seems to be nursing some soreness. He's not going anywhere, but I think I can see why those other teams were willing to deal him. With Travis and Duda, you have the fear that if you give up on them that they'll finally have a season where they stay healthy and have monster years -- like Murphy had last year. But I don't know how many years to keep them, hoping they can have that healthy year. So, yeah. We can say that we'd have taken some of these games if we had been healthy. But I always wonder if we'll ever see that day. The shame with Wright is that you, me and everyone else knows that he's probably never going to be healthy again. But he's not at the point where we can get a solid, every day third baseman because that's a sign that the team doesn't think he'll come back -- and he's sitting right there in the dugout. I get the frustration. On the bright side, Thor seems smart enough to stay off of whatever Madison Baumgardner was riding.

d'Kong76 Apr 25 2017 12:17 AM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

If they're still sucking in mid-May, I'll vent. (oh crap 5½ games out, thought it was only like 3)

Edgy MD Apr 25 2017 12:40 AM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

The Mets have a solid, every-day third baseman. Probably more than one.

d'Kong76 Apr 25 2017 02:53 AM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

I didn't thoroughly read before... 41Forever wrote: The shame with Wright is that you, me and everyone else knows that he's probably never going to be healthy again. Ok. 41Forever wrote: But he's not at the point where we can get a solid, every day third baseman because that's a sign that the team doesn't think he'll come back -- and he's sitting right there in the dugout. This is kinda crazy talk, who cares where he sits? He's a Mets' all-timer, number to be retired, el capitan!... has nothing to do with whether they can, could or should be looking for someone to replace someone who is not likely to ever be 'back.'

41Forever Apr 25 2017 03:07 AM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

The point wasn't to diss Wright, who is all the things you said and more. But right now we have fill-in guys playing there on the hopes that he will come back. If they went out and got someone established -- like Todd Frazier -- it would be a sign that they'e given up on him being able to come back. That's hard pill to swallow.

Edgy MD Apr 25 2017 03:38 AM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

I think they'd be just as fine with Wilmer Flores as Todd Frazier. It's just that, well, Flores done got broke. But there's no shortage of quality fallback positions in place going forward. I mean, they were just as fine with José Reyes last year. And while nobody is really doing as badly as Reyes this year, Todd Frazier is sure as hell close.

d'Kong76 Apr 25 2017 01:33 PM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

41Forever wrote: The point wasn't to diss Wright, who is all the things you said and more. But right now we have fill-in guys playing there on the hopes that he will come back. If they went out and got someone established -- like Todd Frazier -- it would be a sign that they'e given up on him being able to come back. That's hard pill to swallow. I didn't say you were dissing anyone, I just think your whole point is a little nutty. Nothing personal, of course.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 25 2017 02:53 PM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

This is the venting thread at Mets, not at us, I don;t think. As for Wright he cannot be in realistic plans as a big-ass contributor any more but how big do you need to be to be an upgrade on what Reyes has given us thus far? I thereby strongly support his return to Baseball Activities.

batmagadanleadoff Apr 25 2017 02:55 PM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Really. I mean, I'm sore about Murph, too, but y'all do realize that if the Mets had offered Murph a multiyear deal, then Cespedes wouldn't still be here, right? MY issue with second base is that they cleared the deck, more or less, for Dilson... then flipped him 2/3 of the way through the year for a win-now part. Good points LWFS. I'd like to think that a NY team coming off of a World Series appearance could afford both but not this ownership. That's the real shame of it: that the Mets might've wanted to keep Murph, but let him loose because of their finances. Just a reminder, but the Mets offered Murph a QO of $15.8M for 2016. Murph ended up signing with the Nats for an average of $12.5M per season (3 yr/$37.5M contract). It's pathetic that a NY team couldn't afford both Cespedes and the price of Murph's DC contract, which the Mets more than matched for one year. Oh, and one other thing: Beginning with the 2015 playoffs and going forward up through today, Murph's been better than Cespedes.

d'Kong76 Apr 25 2017 03:34 PM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: This is the venting thread at Mets, not at us, I don;t think. A 'little nutty' is pretty vanilla for these parts. Putting anyone at third while Wright is sitting on the bench watching is an oddly written premise. Maybe I misunderstand what he/she's trying to say. For me, the 'hard pill to swallow' is the struggle to return knowing/thinking in my heart it's never going to happen. Again, who cares where he sits. He The Man.

Ashie62 Apr 25 2017 05:58 PM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

Originally from the Boston Globe on a Todd Frazier to the Mets trade rumor. Yes Frazier has stunk it up of late. Anyway. [url]http://www.nj.com/mets/index.ssf/2017/04/mlb_trade_rumors_njs_todd_frazier_to_mets_idea_res.html#incart_river_index

G-Fafif Apr 25 2017 07:42 PM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

Here's an overreaction: The Mets have the same record they had after nineteen games in 1993. They also have the same record they had after nineteen games in 1969, but that's not the season whose nah, they can't be THIS bad start I find myself thinking of the last few days. I remind myself that we have Thor, Jake and Harv...and then I remember twenty-four years ago we had Doc, Sabes and Sid, all ostensibly in their primes. There's every chance next 143 games will not reflect the previous nine.

Lefty Specialist Apr 25 2017 07:50 PM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

Now if Cespedes starts flinging firecrackers at people and Noah squirts bleach at reporters, all bets are off.

Vic Sage Apr 25 2017 08:00 PM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 25 2017 08:42 PM

i don't know why they're so committed to Reyes. They got him for nothing, and now that that's what he's worth, he's replaceable. Yes, Flores would've been the first, but not only, option. Frazier? I'd rather see TJ Rivera in there everyday until Flores is back. He's shown an adequate glove and a line-drive bat. Whatever we'd have to give up for Frazier would be too much. Conforto* - RF Cabrera# - SS Cespedes - LF Bruce* - 1b Walker# - 2b TJRivera - 3b Granderson* - cf Plawecki - C DL - Wright, Nimmo, Duda, Flores, d'Arnaud [u:12vpqhyx]bench[/u:12vpqhyx]: RRivera - C Lagares - OF Reyes# - IF Renolds - UT ____ * of ?

G-Fafif Apr 25 2017 08:12 PM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

Lefty Specialist wrote: Now if Cespedes starts flinging firecrackers at people and Noah squirts bleach at reporters, all bets are off. Slippery slope to a column in the Post, should Wally Matthews wind up back there.

Edgy MD Apr 25 2017 08:35 PM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

I think Reyés—as the former stolen base champ on professional thin ice in the back half of his career—plays the firecracker-tossing role in this scenario. Céspedes does seem more likely to mess up Syndergaard's arm with a golf club, though.

G-Fafif Apr 25 2017 08:39 PM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

Before there were firecrackers, Coleman was messing up Doc with a golf club, and who is more likely to be swinging one of those in the clubhouse than Cespedes? T.J. no doubt offering tours of the Bronx already. Well-mannered tours of the Bronx, but still. And deGrom seems to have gone as long without a win as AY.

TransMonk Apr 25 2017 09:32 PM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

Vic Sage wrote: I'd rather see TJ Rivera in there everyday until Flores is back. He's shown an adequate glove and a line-drive bat. Whatever we'd have to give up for Frazier would be too much. This is where I am at as well.

G-Fafif Apr 28 2017 02:43 AM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

G-Fafif wrote: Here's an overreaction: The Mets have the same record they had after nineteen games in 1993. Also, the same record they had after twenty-one games in 1993.

Centerfield Apr 29 2017 09:05 PM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

WE ARE GOING TO WIN THE WORLD FUCKING SERIES. (We can overreact both ways right?)

cooby Apr 29 2017 10:37 PM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

I don't see why not :D

Rockin' Doc Apr 30 2017 12:15 AM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

CF & cooby, I suggest you both stay away from sharp implements and refrain from operating heavy machinery until the Kool-Aid wears off.

MFS62 Apr 30 2017 12:19 AM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

Lefty Specialist wrote: Now if Cespedes starts flinging firecrackers at people and Noah squirts bleach at reporters, all bets are off. As I've said before, Vince Coleman did NOT intentionally throw that firecracker into the crowd. He missed the cutoff man. Later

Clueless Koolaid Guzzler Apr 30 2017 12:33 AM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

Rockin' Doc wrote: CF & cooby, I suggest you both stay away from sharp implements and refrain from operating heavy machinery until the Kool-Aid wears off. Lay off the Koolaid jokes. The Mets are going all the way. Lets Go Mets!

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 30 2017 12:57 AM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

Mmmmm Kool Aid

Edgy MD Apr 30 2017 03:39 AM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

I don't know what is to become of tomorrow, but tonight ... tonight we tango.

Elster88 Apr 30 2017 07:47 PM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

Thank you Dr. Syndergaard.

Edgy MD Apr 30 2017 07:50 PM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

Rockin' Doc Apr 30 2017 08:33 PM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

Apparently Noah doesn't know his body as well as he thought he did. Hopefully, he didn't hurt his arm too bad by pitching after refusing to have an MRI examination.

Batty31 Apr 30 2017 08:59 PM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

Put a fork in this season..

Rockin' Doc Apr 30 2017 10:27 PM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

What a train wreck this season has become. Most football teams have a lower injury frequency than the Mets are having this season. It makes me question the strength and conditioning program for the team as well as the wisdom of relying upon so many veteran (older) players to fill everyday roles.

Lefty Specialist Apr 30 2017 11:34 PM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

Well, now the starter every fifth day will be...........................Gilmartin, he of the 13.50 ERA? Montero, who's had more chances than Steve Howe and screwed up every one of them? Kevin Plawecki? Doug Sisk? I mean, who? Anyone not currently on the 40-man that they can take a flyer on? They should have signed Doug Fister to a minor league deal and stashed him in Vegas for something like this.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 30 2017 11:49 PM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

I think we read that Fister didn't want to be stashed in Vegas, but I'm not sure if that's true. If there's a better pitcher than Gilmartin or Montero in Vegas then I think you find a way to get him on the 40-man roster.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 30 2017 11:56 PM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

Kristie Ackert, Daily News wrote: Steven Matz, who has a mysterious elbow issue, and Seth Lugo, who is trying to avoid Tommy John surgery with a throwing program and therapy, are just beginning to pitch off the slope of the mound Sunday. Alderson had said that he had backed off looking on the free agent market for pitching because those two could be back by the end of May. An industry source said there is very little starting pitching available via trade or free agency right now. The source said the Mets did go and watch Doug Fister pitch last month, but reports are his fastball is sitting in the high 80’s right now. Rafael Montero is expected to be called up Monday. He is really the Mets only viable option at Triple-A, and he’s not been that viable at the major league level. The right-hander, who was once ranked as a higher prospect than Syndergaard, has a 4.68 ERA and 1.559 WHIP in 12 career major-league starts.

Zvon Apr 30 2017 11:58 PM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

Batty31 wrote: Put a fork in this season.. I made this today after Noah left the game, but I'm not officially using it yet. So, look away. I'm not giving up on this team in April. Not officially posted and does not yet reflect the opinions of this poster.^

themetfairy May 01 2017 12:46 AM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

I can't see how anything can be considered an overreaction at this stage of the game.

Ashie62 May 01 2017 01:08 AM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

Noah effed up..BIG, and so did Sandy BIG. Good luck. Hopefully not wild card also rans 5/1. I am not calling any ballplayer a superheroes name anymore. Be well Noah.

Batty31 May 01 2017 04:41 AM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

Zvon wrote: I made this today after Noah left the game, but I'm not officially using it yet. So, look away. I'm not giving up on this team in April. LOL..it's perfect, Zvon. I admire your confidence. Unfortunately mine has left the building this season.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 01 2017 04:45 AM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

GOOD GOD, WHO TURNS DOWN MORE INFORMATION ABOUT A TREATABLE HEALTH ISSUE?

batmagadanleadoff May 01 2017 05:13 AM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the idea that a player can refuse an MRI. But upon further thought, though, it makes sense. I mean, what the hell can you do? You can't ordinarily force an adult to receive medical treatment. Of course, MLB isn't an ordinary society and this could've been covered in the bargaining agreement. But even if MLB could force a player to undergo medical testing, how does a team handle something like this Thor incident where the player refuses testing? I guess the fringier or more expendable a player is, the more he risks being cut or suspended or some other meaningful penalty. But when it's a star like Syndergaard, what can you do other than to bench him? And if you bench him, for how long do you bench him if he continues to refuse an MRI? If he said he felt fine yesterday, he'll probably say he feels fine tomorrow and the day after, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. It's pretty obvious that Syndergaard put everybody connected in a really bad spot.

Fman99 May 01 2017 11:45 AM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

Calamitous.

El Segundo Escupidor May 01 2017 11:57 AM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

Frayed Knot May 01 2017 12:51 PM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

batmagadanleadoff wrote: I'm still trying to wrap my head around the idea that a player can refuse an MRI. But upon further thought, though, it makes sense. I mean, what the hell can you do? You can't ordinarily force an adult to receive medical treatment. Of course, MLB isn't an ordinary society and this could've been covered in the bargaining agreement. But even if MLB could force a player to undergo medical testing, how does a team handle something like this Thor incident where the player refuses testing? I guess the fringier or more expendable a player is, the more he risks being cut or suspended or some other meaningful penalty. But when it's a star like Syndergaard, what can you do other than to bench him? And if you bench him, for how long do you bench him if he continues to refuse an MRI? If he said he felt fine yesterday, he'll probably say he feels fine tomorrow and the day after, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. The first thing Ronnie said during the game yesterday when the whole topic came up (though prior to Noah walking off the mound with the injury) was that he wouldn't have agreed to the MRI either. As long as one feels fine, he reasoned, as Syndergaard instead he did, why give them the chance to find something they might not like, especially as it's often said that NO pitcher is going to have pristine pictures taken of their pitching wing? In the meantime, it's my turn to go so let's get out there and do this. One of the insta-columns on this subject said that Sandy needed to issue Noah an 'MRI or DL' ultimatum but there is a grievance process where players can fight that if they think they're being DL'd while not actually injured. Now maybe Noah takes that route and maybe he doesn't and, yes, there's definitely pecking order where stars will be more likely to take that route than would the marginal player with a more tenuous grip on his roster spot and minor league options still on the team's list of options.

Lefty Specialist May 01 2017 03:10 PM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

themetfairy wrote: I can't see how anything can be considered an overreaction at this stage of the game. I'd say losing your ace for an indefinite period of time in the process of losing a game by 18 runs and giving up the second most runs ever in 56 seasons, and ending the day in last place, welllll......if you can't overreact then, when CAN you overreact?

Ashie62 May 01 2017 04:18 PM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

I would trade/sell Duda Bruce Walker Reyes Granderson d'Arnaud Lagares Blevins And start the rebuild two years removed from the WS. David Wright for Manager

cooby May 01 2017 04:22 PM Re: #%@! this!!! - Venting and Overreaction Thread

You know, you guys keep talking about this Duda fellow but to my recollection I don't remember him at all. Has he been hurt his entire Mets career?