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Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

Ashie62 Apr 27 2017 02:15 AM

Yeah, its' time for the thread.

metirish Apr 27 2017 02:23 AM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

"it's still April" ...tired of hearing that too. I would love to be in Alderon's office right now, assuming he is in there too

Ashie62 Apr 27 2017 02:25 AM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

Who pushed Thor back? Inexcusable unless there is something we don't know.

Frayed Knot Apr 27 2017 02:30 AM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 27 2017 02:30 AM

Syndergaard wasn't pushed back, he just wasn't pushed up the way they announced initially. It was always Gsellman's turn in the rotation. Put another way, Gsellman was either going to go tonight or sometime this weekend vs the Nationals. Take your pick.

d'Kong76 Apr 27 2017 02:30 AM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

Terry and those three errors tonight, inexcusable.

MFS62 Apr 27 2017 09:32 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

The villagers have their pitchforks and torches ready. I guess this thread is only concerned with the torches. Later

Ashie62 May 01 2017 04:14 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

Add Alderson.

Edgy MD May 01 2017 04:35 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

Ashie is burning down the whole mission.

cooby May 01 2017 04:40 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 01 2017 04:41 PM

Ashie's Ashes

smg58 May 01 2017 04:41 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

In the case of both Cespedes and Syndegaard, you have to trust your doctors, and if that is all Alderson or Collins is guilty of, then you can't blame the situation on them. But if somebody rushed them back against the recommendation of the Mets' doctors, that would be a very different story.

Ashie62 May 01 2017 04:43 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

smg58 wrote: In the case of both Cespedes and Syndegaard, you have to trust your doctors, and if that is all Alderson or Collins is guilty of, then you can't blame the situation on them. But if somebody rushed them back against the recommendation of the Mets' doctors, that would be a very different story. Good point, I am unconsolable for now.

Ashie62 May 07 2017 03:53 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

We may be Las Vegas by year end.

cooby May 07 2017 03:54 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

I hope it warms up if we become LV

Ashie62 May 07 2017 09:08 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

Bunting six runs down?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 09 2017 12:19 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

He's nothing if not consistent.

MFS62 May 09 2017 01:45 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

(Channeling Bob Klapish here) While we've been talking about his tactics for a long time, its been kind of a relief that (I'm paraphrasing and summarizing here) "he does a good job managing the clubhouse". Now, with news that Harvey has been pushing the envelope of team rules for a while, are we sure Terry's been doing a good job in the clubhouse all this time? What have we not heard about? Later

Ashie62 May 16 2017 12:35 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

Terry can take a different flight home. Just sayin. Start the rebuild.

Benjamin Grimm May 16 2017 12:38 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

The Mets do have a history of firing two-time postseason managers shortly after they've managed their 1,000th game.

Lefty Specialist May 16 2017 01:26 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

Ashie62 May 25 2017 11:27 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

A bullpen bump.

Ashie62 Jun 02 2017 05:27 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

That seat for Terry may be getting warmer.

Ashie62 Jun 04 2017 08:13 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

Jeff Wilpon can't take to many more days like today. Off to Texas. ouch. Road trips seem like a nice time to can managers.

Ashie62 Jun 04 2017 10:36 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

I guess I am alone.

41Forever Jun 04 2017 10:45 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

There are a number of people I'd fire before I got to Terry.

Ceetar Jun 05 2017 01:51 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

Terry's not the one failing to pitch and I think it'd be foolish not to conduct the search for his replacement with the full due-diligence you can only give it during the offseason. That's how you end up with "managers" like Jerry Manuel

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 05 2017 02:44 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

Ceetar wrote: Terry's not the one failing to pitch and I think it'd be foolish not to conduct the search for his replacement with the full due-diligence you can only give it during the offseason. That's how you end up with "managers" like Jerry Manuel Exactamundo

d'Kong76 Jun 05 2017 02:50 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

Terry wasn't 3-26 with RISP (or whatever the terrible # was) this weekend either.

Ashie62 Jun 07 2017 02:31 AM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

Terry and Sandy can leave together.

metirish Jun 07 2017 12:39 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

Interestingly not seeing a huge clamor for Wally on Twatter , saw something floating around on Hojo "is the answer". Firing Terry wouldn't do anything, 12 games back etc

Edgy MD Jun 07 2017 01:51 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

The genesis of the "HoJo is the answer" movement was a social media video advocating for such put up by a possibly drunk but certainly addled Lenny Dykstra. It's a miserable thing to watch. If it's beyond your capacity to feel pity for Dykstra at this point, you'll feel something in your stomach, possibly pity for humankind.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 07 2017 01:58 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

I have no idea who the next guy will be, but I don't see it being Hojo or Wally. The most likely 86er is probably Tim Teufel, but he's a real longshot himself.

metirish Jun 07 2017 02:06 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

Edgy MD wrote: The genesis of the "HoJo is the answer" movement was a social media video advocating for such put up by a possibly drunk but certainly addled Lenny Dykstra. It's a miserable thing to watch. If it's beyond your capacity to feel pity for Dykstra at this point, you'll feel something in your stomach, possibly pity for humankind. Totally agree, Lenny seems very unhinged, sad to see.

Ashie62 Jun 07 2017 09:21 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

I have seen David Wright long enough to provide for my due diligence. David Wright for Mets manager.

MFS62 Jun 08 2017 12:50 AM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

Ashie62 wrote: I have seen David Wright long enough to provide for my due diligence. David Wright for Mets manager. That is a very good example of a bad idea. What has he done to show you that he can make the quick decisions necessary to be a manager? He has taken months to decide whether he can't play any more, and he still hasn't done it. I can't imagine how long it will take him to decide when to remove a starter who doesn't have it that night. (OK, not a fair comparison of situations, but you get the message.) IMO, he would have to demonstrate his ability to manage on some level before he is given a major league job. Later

Edgy MD Jun 08 2017 03:29 AM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

I disagree that "He has taken months to decide whether he can't play any more, and he still hasn't done it." He has decided, and continues to decide, that he can.

MFS62 Jun 08 2017 12:26 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

Edgy MD wrote: I disagree that "He has taken months to decide whether he can't play any more, and he still hasn't done it." He has decided, and continues to decide, that he can. Take that sentence out and my message still stands. He hasn't demonstrated his qualifications to be the next manager of the Mets. I don't think managing a major league team is a learn-on-the-job position. Later

Ceetar Jun 08 2017 01:52 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

MFS62 wrote: Edgy MD wrote: I disagree that "He has taken months to decide whether he can't play any more, and he still hasn't done it." He has decided, and continues to decide, that he can. Take that sentence out and my message still stands. He hasn't demonstrated his qualifications to be the next manager of the Mets. I don't think managing a major league team is a learn-on-the-job position. Later honestly I'll take anyone willing to learn, whether it's on the job or not, over someone who thinks we should do things like they were in 1960. (i.e. stop with all the bunting and IBB and stop giving free bases and outs)

Edgy MD Jun 08 2017 02:31 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

I don't get the idea that we've been bunting a great deal.

Ceetar Jun 08 2017 03:07 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

Edgy MD wrote: I don't get the idea that we've been bunting a great deal. 10th in baseball with 29 Bunt Attempts, which I think might not be measuring successful sacrifices? not sure. We're near the bottom in sacrifice bunts, but I don't know if that's because we suck at it or because our pitchers are getting bombed and lifted before they get to try to bunt or Rene Rivera is simply making out and leaving them with no one to bunt. but I was talking theoretically anyway about a future manager and his game philosophy.

Ashie62 Jun 21 2017 09:37 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

Keepin it hot out in L.A.

d'Kong76 Jun 21 2017 09:41 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

Yeah, Terry giving up those 4 run first innings is just maddening!

Ashie62 Jul 04 2017 02:05 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

Salas?

Lefty Specialist Jul 04 2017 11:53 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

Terry's not going anywhere. He'll serve out the season short of a 28-game losing streak or something similarly catastrophic.

bmfc1 Jul 05 2017 12:24 AM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

The Mets will announce Terry's retirement after the penultimate game of the 2017 season (but word will get out during the game). Terry will have a chance to say goodbye to the players and the fans.

Lefty Specialist Jul 05 2017 11:45 AM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

bmfc1 wrote: The Mets will announce Terry's retirement after the penultimate game of the 2017 season (but word will get out during the game). Terry will have a chance to say goodbye to the players and the fans. Yup, that's how I think it'll play out, too. I think the decision's already been made and Terry knows. Hell, he's 68. Who'd want to put up with all the shit he gets for another year?

Ashie62 Jul 05 2017 06:15 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

9/9. The retirement of Dabid and Terry.

Edgy MD Jul 05 2017 06:34 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

I'm betting against that one too.

Ashie62 Jul 05 2017 06:40 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

Better yet, Terry retires and David is announced as the 2018 Mets manager. Oh my gawd!

d'Kong76 Jul 05 2017 06:49 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

David is on the hook for like $47 MILLION the next three years. He may be the best-of-all-the-best boy scouts in the game but no one retires leaving a family for- tune on the table without giving it a go. Ashie62 wrote: Oh my gawd! You sounded like Suzyn Waldman there lol...

Ashie62 Jul 16 2017 08:04 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

If not now?

41Forever Jul 17 2017 08:08 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

I remember another Mets third baseman who went directly to managing -- even a short stint as player-manager -- and today he's in the Hall of Fame! (Of course, some people questioned the ability needed to manage a team of All-Stars with management hell-bent on winning with an unlimited budget.) Then there's the other former Mets third baseman who went straight to managing and was not quite as successful. Bobby Valentine's comments about that at the Queens Baseball event were funny.)

Ceetar Jul 17 2017 08:16 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

41Forever wrote: I remember another Mets third baseman who went directly to managing -- even a short stint as player-manager -- and today he's in the Hall of Fame! (Of course, some people questioned the ability needed to manage a team of All-Stars with management hell-bent on winning with an unlimited budget.) Then there's the other former Mets third baseman who went straight to managing and was not quite as successful. Bobby Valentine's comments about that at the Queens Baseball event were funny.) I don't recall Bobby's comments on Ventura.

d'Kong76 Jul 17 2017 08:45 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

Ashie62 wrote: If not now? If not now, what? You need to provide us with a field guide so we know what these off-the-cuff remarks mean, Señor A62.

41Forever Jul 17 2017 09:08 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

Ceetar wrote: 41Forever wrote: I remember another Mets third baseman who went directly to managing -- even a short stint as player-manager -- and today he's in the Hall of Fame! (Of course, some people questioned the ability needed to manage a team of All-Stars with management hell-bent on winning with an unlimited budget.) Then there's the other former Mets third baseman who went straight to managing and was not quite as successful. Bobby Valentine's comments about that at the Queens Baseball event were funny.) I don't recall Bobby's comments on Ventura. I can't do Bobby V justice, and I only heard the audio. But it was along the lines of, "Of all the guys on that team I thought could be managers someday, Robin? Seriously?" He wasn't saying he didn't have the ability, but talked about his role in the fake mustache incident and a seeming fondness for breaking the rules. Find the podcast of Bobby speaking that day. It's worth it.

Ashie62 Jul 17 2017 10:07 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

d'Kong76 wrote: Ashie62 wrote: If not now? If not now, what? You need to provide us with a field guide so we know what these off-the-cuff remarks mean, Señor A62. You are right. I am still in the David Wright camp. The guy has been around baseball and baseball people all his life. Its not rocket science, its managing personalities mostly.

Ceetar Jul 17 2017 11:00 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

41Forever wrote: 41Forever wrote: I remember another Mets third baseman who went directly to managing -- even a short stint as player-manager -- and today he's in the Hall of Fame! (Of course, some people questioned the ability needed to manage a team of All-Stars with management hell-bent on winning with an unlimited budget.) Then there's the other former Mets third baseman who went straight to managing and was not quite as successful. Bobby Valentine's comments about that at the Queens Baseball event were funny.) I don't recall Bobby's comments on Ventura. I can't do Bobby V justice, and I only heard the audio. But it was along the lines of, "Of all the guys on that team I thought could be managers someday, Robin? Seriously?" He wasn't saying he didn't have the ability, but talked about his role in the fake mustache incident and a seeming fondness for breaking the rules. Find the podcast of Bobby speaking that day. It's worth it. I was there (And filmed it, though the card was full) just was drawing a blank, yeah. That was it. More incredulity than anything else.

Edgy MD Aug 25 2017 02:56 AM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

Jon Heyman reporting that all indications are that Terry is a goner at the end of the season. He's 980-996 on his career. Getting back to .500 doesn't seem reachable, but perhaps getting to 1,000 wins is.

Zvon Aug 25 2017 03:43 AM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

I gotta give Terry a pass for this season. What a lousy hand he has been dealt in 2017. But, as you know, I usually support whoever is managing until they are gone. The recent listless play can be hung on Collins shoulders, but I'd still give him a pass, although I would have him on a very short leash in 2018.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 25 2017 02:50 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

I hate that he's gotta twist in the wind like this. Mets and he should get out in front and make it seem like it's his decision to spend more time with the grandkids and therefore is accepting a senior advisor role and a seat on the board of directors.

Ceetar Aug 25 2017 03:00 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I hate that he's gotta twist in the wind like this. Mets and he should get out in front and make it seem like it's his decision to spend more time with the grandkids and therefore is accepting a senior advisor role and a seat on the board of directors. It's possible they've talked to him. Maybe he's not twisting. Maybe they're waiting to see if he even wants to come back. But yeah, if they're going to move on (and I think if they move on it should mean ALL the coaches too) to hopefully someone better, certainly don't make him twist.

seawolf17 Aug 25 2017 03:03 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

They could just trade him to a contender for a single-A assistant hitting coach or something.

Edgy MD Aug 25 2017 03:56 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

Yeah, I'm kind of in favor going interim at this point, and letting Dick Scott or Dave Racianello or somebody drive the car around for a month.

Frayed Knot Aug 25 2017 04:02 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

seawolf17 wrote: They could just trade him to a contender for a single-A assistant hitting coach or something. Either that or claim that he's injured and collect the insurance money.

41Forever Aug 25 2017 04:16 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

I thought it was kind of accepted that Sandy and Terry didn't always get along, and that Sandy wanted someone new in there after Terry's contract expired. The challenge in finding a manager, of course, is getting someone better than who you have. I don't know if there is a candidate-in-waiting. I don't mind Terry. He's proven he can win, and he seems to keep the clubhouse in order. I wouldn't mind seeing him back.

Lefty Specialist Aug 25 2017 05:26 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

I think Terry's done after this year, but they won't fire him before the end of the season. It's a lost cause at this point, so canning him won't change anything. May as well just ride him to the end.

Edgy MD Aug 25 2017 05:40 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

Well, there's something to be said for lifting the pall and beginning the transition today. He's obviously a great company man. There's something to be said for that sort resigning and turning over the reigns to somebody who could use a profile boost and a little experience. Obviously, Art Howe and Jerry Manuel lingered on in the last weeks of their tenures when everybody knew they were doomed, maintaining what dignity the could, and thems weren't happy endings. Omar Minaya too.

Ceetar Aug 25 2017 05:57 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

yeah, but you generally get more time to conduct an exhaustive search for a excellent guy in the offseason. Unless they want to give a guy a month just for that guy's sake (not for the job here, but elsewhere) But even if you did want to like, give Viola the pitching coach job, I think the adage about not trusting April/Sept stats is valid for coaches too.

Edgy MD Aug 25 2017 06:03 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

Yeah, I'm talking about an interim appointment. And yeah again, I'm certainly not advocating that a strong performance by the team should lead to the organization rewarding the interim manager or staff with the job, a la Jerry Manuel.

Ceetar Aug 25 2017 06:09 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

Edgy MD wrote: Yeah, I'm talking about an interim appointment. And yeah again, I'm certainly not advocating that a strong performance by the team should lead to the organization rewarding the interim manager or staff with the job, a la Jerry Manuel. It's that worry that makes me hesitant though! Do you trust the Mets to not just take the interim? (And don't you risk losing the interim guy if you don't then give him the job?)

Edgy MD Aug 25 2017 06:19 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

Do I trust the Mets to not hire the interim after giving too much credence to a September record? As much as I trust Mets to not make any other mistake in their hiring process if they wait until November, I guess.

Ashie62 Aug 25 2017 06:27 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

Lets wait til the end of the season and assess the team first. I wouldn't want an interim manager when I really don't know if our GM is returning.

Edgy MD Aug 25 2017 06:31 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

Well, the Mets likely know if their GM is returning. If he's not, I don't see how an interim manager is affected by a GM change. His contract and tenure end with the season.

41Forever Aug 25 2017 07:01 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

I think there is a difference between leaving after your contract expires, and being told to depart before your contract ends. One is more dignified. Terry deserves a dignified departure. Best case scenario is him announcing sometime next month that he plans to retire when his contract is done, and he goes out with a special day with an ovation and a loud thank you. Next best is everyone knowing that he is leaving when the contract expires, and still getting an ovation and a thank you on the last day. I see only criticism for telling him to go home a month early. That's a lose-lose in my view.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 25 2017 07:04 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

I think Terry has earned the right to serve out his contract and the Mets will give that to him. Where they need to work together is in the optics of a change. All I've seen reported would suggest Terry's not even sure if he wants to return as manager. I also don't think he and Sandy are enemies. I think the writers, who generally love Terry and generally resent Sandy, might make it seem that way. The thing is though he's old and served with honor and its time to move on. (edit, what 41 said)

Edgy MD Aug 25 2017 07:30 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

41Forever wrote: I see only criticism for telling him to go home a month early. That's a lose-lose in my view. Yeah, I certainly don't mean he should be told to leave. I only thought he might prefer to leave rather than be left dangling after it's leaking all over the place that he's done. That happened with Howe, and he was going to leave and the Mets had to talk him into serving out the last week or two.

41Forever Aug 25 2017 08:46 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

Edgy MD wrote: 41Forever wrote: I see only criticism for telling him to go home a month early. That's a lose-lose in my view. Yeah, I certainly don't mean he should be told to leave. I only thought he might prefer to leave rather than be left dangling after it's leaking all over the place that he's done. That happened with Howe, and he was going to leave and the Mets had to talk him into serving out the last week or two. Ah. Now I see. I tried to blot the Howe era from my memory. Never happened!

Rockin' Doc Aug 26 2017 04:22 AM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

I don't always agree with Terry's in game decisions, but overall he has done a pretty good job for the Mets. He's been a stand up, organization man for the Mets. He deserves to exit in the most dignified manner possible. It is time to move on, but Terry has earned the right to to quit/retire on his terms (rather being fired).

Ashie62 Aug 26 2017 10:24 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

I'd like a young GM and a young manager. Lets freshen this place up.

Edgy MD Aug 26 2017 10:58 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

I'd like a good GM and a good manager. Let's gooden this place up.

MFS62 Aug 28 2017 01:29 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

Resting a 21 year old player in the second game of a twin bill (yeah, so it was a night game after a day game. But still ... ) after he had hit a game winning home run in the first game? Another one of his head scratching decisions. Its time. Later

Benjamin Grimm Aug 28 2017 01:42 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

Really? Terry should be fired for resting Amed Rosario in the second game of a doubleheader?

MFS62 Aug 28 2017 01:54 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Really? Terry should be fired for resting Amed Rosario in the second game of a doubleheader? Of course not. I said "example". It was just an example of one more of those decisions that Doc, and others, have mentioned. We have discussed the relief pitching "formula" he uses, replacing a pitcher who may have only thrown 5-10 pitches in the previous inning. Why should a 21 year old need rest? He seems to have a similar formula in the back of his mind that tells him players need to be rested, even if they are on a hot streak. Rests are for older players or those who are slumping. Later

Edgy MD Aug 28 2017 02:45 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

I missed where you said "example," but everybody needs rest. Sometimes young people more than most.

MFS62 Aug 28 2017 02:55 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

Edgy MD wrote: I missed where you said "example," but everybody needs rest. Sometimes young people more than most. D'oh! You're right. I originally wrote the sentence to include the word example and referred to Doc's post. Then changed the sentence before I hit enter. Later

John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 22 2017 04:21 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

Ackert says Sandy will be back but Terry not. Unofficial on both counts. Also seems unlikely Kevin Long returns. Geren, Hale to be considered http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseb ... -1.3511658

41Forever Sep 26 2017 01:11 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

From that story: In case there is any doubt about Collins’ standing, the team last month removed the manager’s image from the rendition of “Piano Man” that plays on the video screen in the eighth inning at Citi Field. Previously, the Billy Joel lyric “And the manager gives me a smile” showed a cutout of Collins’ head. Is this really a thing? Why wouldn't they wait until after the season to edit him out? Or is this just a case of people reading tea leaves and seeing what they want to see?

Benjamin Grimm Sep 26 2017 01:17 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

Whether the change means anything or not, it's strange that they'd do it during the course of the season.

Lefty Specialist Sep 26 2017 01:18 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

I guess Terry will be making love to his tonic and gin next season.

G-Fafif Sep 26 2017 02:22 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

From that story: In case there is any doubt about Collins’ standing, the team last month removed the manager’s image from the rendition of “Piano Man” that plays on the video screen in the eighth inning at Citi Field. Previously, the Billy Joel lyric “And the manager gives me a smile” showed a cutout of Collins’ head. Is this really a thing? Why wouldn't they wait until after the season to edit him out? Or is this just a case of people reading tea leaves and seeing what they want to see? The figurative public beheading of Terry Collins first reported here. In 2007, when the Mets were doing the "Sweet Caroline" singalong (when it still had residual goodwill from the 2006 postseason), there was a clip in the accompanying video of hitting coach Rick Down pointing upward. After the All-Star break, following his dismissal, Down's segment in the production was disappeared. Want answers? Watch the video board.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 26 2017 02:44 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

Did they replace it with Rick Up pointing downward?

G-Fafif Sep 26 2017 02:47 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Did they replace it with Rick Up pointing downward? That, plus Shawn Green turning blue.

Ceetar Sep 26 2017 03:35 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

second half of the season is probably when people in charge of this stuff start working on the revisions. Like how the Mets 2018 calendar comes out 10/1. (d'Arnaud, Lagares, Familia, Harvey, Lugo, deGrom, Cespedes, Syndergaard, Wright, Matz, Conforto, Gsellman) A lot of it's just projecting who they think will be marketable in 2018, and at the very best Collins wasn't/isn't a sure thing.

cooby Sep 26 2017 05:31 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

Don't let the screen door hit your ass Terry

Edgy MD Sep 26 2017 05:50 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

That's another problem with the Mets. They need to get some heavier-duty doors. What is this? A summer bungalow in the Catskills?

cooby Sep 26 2017 06:05 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

With the warm weather these past several weeks a screen door is appropriate

d'Kong76 Sep 26 2017 06:22 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

Terry deserves a better send off than a door swing on the rump if his stay is indeed over come Sunday, no?

41Forever Sep 26 2017 07:10 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

Terry deserves a rousing ovation on his final home game with a scoreboard tribute and whatever else the team can muster for the guy who has managed more games than anyone else in franchise history, including a National League championship on his resume.

Ceetar Sep 26 2017 07:10 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

41Forever wrote: Terry deserves a rousing ovation on his final home game with a scoreboard tribute and whatever else the team can muster for the guy who has managed more games than anyone else in franchise history, including a National League championship on his resume. which would be tomorrow which makes the 'leaking' of this today/yesterday oddly timely.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 26 2017 07:16 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

I've never been a big fan of Terry, but he deserves his props, including a spot in the Mets Hall of Fame.

Vic Sage Sep 26 2017 09:30 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

41Forever wrote: Terry deserves a rousing ovation on his final home game with a scoreboard tribute and whatever else the team can muster for the guy who has managed more games than anyone else in franchise history, including a National League championship on his resume. this. I'm somewhat taken aback by Cooby's atypical display of antipathy toward our soon-to-be former manager. Did Terry kick your dog, Coobster?

bmfc1 Sep 27 2017 10:33 AM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

Goodbye Dan: http://nypost.com/2017/09/27/mets-expec ... o-sources/

Edgy MD Sep 27 2017 11:29 AM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

Mets bullpen coach Ricky Bones and the organization’s minor league pitching coordinator, Ron Romanick, are the top candidates to replace Warthen, according to sources. Frank Viola, who has spent the past four seasons as the pitching coach at Triple-A Las Vegas, is unlikely to be considered for the job, according to sources. It is unclear if Viola will remain in the organization. I would have pegged the likelihood of Viola getting the job at around 80%. Have the Mets ever elevated a bullpen coach to pitching coach?

seawolf17 Sep 27 2017 12:37 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

Edgy MD wrote: I would have pegged the likelihood of Viola getting the job at around 80%. Me too. That sucks.

Ashie62 Sep 27 2017 12:37 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

I would agree on Viola. I could be very wrong but I thought Frank had some serious health issues and appeared to be abit beyond obese. If he passes the physical he's good. I would wish him the best in a long year of stress and travel.

41Forever Sep 27 2017 12:55 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

Ashie62 wrote: I would agree on Viola. I could be very wrong but I thought Frank had some serious health issues and appeared to be abit beyond obese. If he passes the physical he's good. I would wish him the best in a long year of stress and travel. Not sure I'd go with obese, but he did have heart surgery in 2014. [url]http://m.mlb.com/news/article/107906774/frank-viola-cherishes-return-to-coaching-after-health-scare/

Frayed Knot Sep 27 2017 01:25 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

There was a report in one of the papers a few weeks back saying that Warthen had originally planned on retiring at the end of this season/contract but then was hoping for at least one more as he didn't want to go out on a year where all his pitchers were injured and/or underperforming. But of course that was never going to be entirely his choice and it sounds like Sandy et al -- and I do hope these are more Sandy's calls than F&J's -- are more in a clean sweep frame of mind.

Ceetar Sep 27 2017 01:38 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

Viola's the only guy I'd want within the top ranks of the organization if they're moving on.

batmagadanleadoff Sep 27 2017 06:37 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

Uh oh. Terry Collins: No plans to retire, would like to stay with Mets Excerpt: New York Mets manager Terry Collins, whose contract expires after this season, has no plans to consider retirement and would like to stay with the team. "I never said anything that I was going to retire," Collins told The Record on Tuesday. "I always wanted to work until I was 70. ... I can put something to rest: I'm not going to go home and go fishing. Whatever anybody thinks about if I'm going to be here or not, I can't answer that. But I'm going to be doing something." http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/2083 ... -york-mets

Benjamin Grimm Sep 27 2017 06:40 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

He could still work for the Mets while not continuing as their manager.

41Forever Sep 27 2017 07:06 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

I'd be OK if Terry stayed on a one-year deal.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 27 2017 07:09 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

I have no reason to believe giving him a "senior baseball advisor" role would do any damage to anyone. Fred loves old guys.

Lefty Specialist Sep 27 2017 07:31 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

I'd fully expect that Terry will be given an 'organizational position' which keeps him getting paid. For all his faults he managed this team to a World Series, and that ain't beanbag.

metirish Sep 28 2017 12:55 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

For a place holder guy he did alright.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 01 2017 07:52 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I have no reason to believe giving him a "senior baseball advisor" role would do any damage to anyone. Fred loves old guys. Mets are to announce Terry staying with the club in a front office role, Ken Rosenthal reports

Edgy MD Oct 01 2017 07:58 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

Ken Rosenthal, Scoopy McScoopmaster.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 01 2017 08:00 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I have no reason to believe giving him a "senior baseball advisor" role would do any damage to anyone. Fred loves old guys. Mets are to announce Terry staying with the club in a front office role, Ken Rosenthal reports I approve.

Ashie62 Oct 01 2017 08:18 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

Collins to resign after the game and make a statement. [url]http://www.nj.com/mets/index.ssf/2017/10/mets_will_not_extend_terry_collins_contract_whats.html#incart_river_index

bmfc1 Oct 01 2017 09:00 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

Edgy MD wrote: Ken Rosenthal, Scoopy McScoopmaster. Scooped all the beat reporters without even being at the game (I wonder if Sandy told him).

d'Kong76 Oct 01 2017 09:10 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Mets are to announce Terry staying with the club in a front office role, Ken Rosenthal reports Good to hear, glad for him.

41Forever Oct 01 2017 10:48 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

Say what you want about Terry. But he is a class act. Deserved better.

bmfc1 Oct 01 2017 10:55 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

bmfc1 wrote: The Mets will announce Terry's retirement after the penultimate game of the 2017 season (but word will get out during the game). Terry will have a chance to say goodbye to the players and the fans. I was wrong about the timing and wish that I wasn't. He deserved an ovation at the last game and certainly didn't deserve the anonymous negativity.

batmagadanleadoff Oct 02 2017 05:12 AM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

It's official. Mets Manager Terry Collins Resigns https://www.si.com/mlb/2017/10/01/ny-me ... job-future

Frayed Knot Oct 02 2017 12:25 PM Re: Terry Collins Hot Seat 2017

Of course "resigning" from a job where your contract had run out is really just semantics. And speaking of semantics, Sandy wafts back to his days as a lawyer and goes full legalese in order to explain his view of the matter: “From our standpoint I think we are at the end of a seven-year run and we need to make a change in direction ... That’s often code phrase for changing positions and jobs and that I think is what we foresee here.” and “the unavoidable fallout from a change in manager is that coaching positions become question marks ... we will start [interviewing] in earnest over the next few days. We certainly don’t want to waste any time.”