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I/MRI/T: Waiting for Thor

bmfc1 May 01 2017 12:38 PM

His MRI was scheduled for 7 AM. Does he use headphones during his MRI, as some do, because the noise is so loud? Does he refuse the headphones? Did they have a big enough gown for someone of his size? Is Sandy pacing outside the room?

Centerfield May 01 2017 02:56 PM Re: I/MRI/T: Waiting for Thor

How long was Matz out for his lat? Wasn't it like 2 months? I suspect the same for Noah. Yes, that is wild speculation with no basis of evidence.

themetfairy May 01 2017 02:59 PM Re: I/MRI/T: Waiting for Thor

7 am seems like a really odd time to schedule a MRI. It's not like surgery where a patient has to fast. If it wasn't a medical emergency that required immediate care at the hospital yesterday, why such an ungodly early hour?

Lefty Specialist May 01 2017 03:02 PM Re: I/MRI/T: Waiting for Thor

Did Sandy strap him down? Just for laughs?

Chad Ochoseis May 01 2017 03:18 PM Re: I/MRI/T: Waiting for Thor

themetfairy wrote: 7 am seems like a really odd time to schedule a MRI. It's not like surgery where a patient has to fast. If it wasn't a medical emergency that required immediate care at the hospital yesterday, why such an ungodly early hour? I'm not reading too much into that. I think all tests tend to get scheduled early. And Sandy is probably even more anxious than we are to see what's up with Syndergaard.

bmfc1 May 01 2017 03:22 PM Re: I/MRI/T: Waiting for Thor

https://twitter.com/Mets/status/859063648714579969 Partial tear of his right lat muscle. No timetable.

cooby May 01 2017 03:27 PM Re: I/MRI/T: Waiting for Thor

Well terrific

Benjamin Grimm May 01 2017 03:28 PM Re: I/MRI/T: Waiting for Thor

That doesn't sound like particularly good news.

41Forever May 01 2017 03:30 PM Re: I/MRI/T: Waiting for Thor

seawolf17 May 01 2017 03:34 PM Re: I/MRI/T: Waiting for Thor

/panics

Benjamin Grimm May 01 2017 03:35 PM Re: I/MRI/T: Waiting for Thor

Frayed Knot May 01 2017 03:52 PM Re: I/MRI/T: Waiting for Thor

Centerfield wrote: How long was Matz out for his lat? Wasn't it like 2 months? I suspect the same for Noah. Sounds about right. So that puts us at around July 1st ... at which point you might as well wait until after the ASB so now we're up to Friday the 14th. But Noah's a big Game of Thrones fan which re-starts on Sunday the 17th so I'm calling it for that day now. Where can I get my bet down?

Centerfield May 01 2017 03:56 PM Re: I/MRI/T: Waiting for Thor

So you figure it's probably unrelated to the biceps tendinitis right? These muscles are nowhere near each other. I wonder if it's more a result of the extra bulk he put on this off-season. More muscle can mean less flexibility. Maybe resulting in a strain or tear. Dunno.

Chad Ochoseis May 01 2017 04:02 PM Re: I/MRI/T: Waiting for Thor

Well, this sucks. Management consisted of rest followed by general strengthening exercises as tolerated and a gradual stepwise progression back to throwing. The vast majority of major league pitchers were able to return to pitching at or above the level they were previously playing4, but in many cases tendon avulsion was considered a season ending injury, since they could not return to play for 3 or 4 months7. [url]http://radsource.us/acute-musculotendinous-tears/ Nobody in this forum is an MD, correct? I read this just for kicks and I'm not sure whether to interpret "tendon avulsion" as something that always happens as part of a lat tear (i.e. we're royally screwed) or whether you can have a lat tear without an avulsed tendon, which means that with rest, physical therapy, and good luck, Thor might return to baseball activities other than spitting sunflower seeds in the next month or two (i.e. we're screwed, but maybe it's more just a peasant-type screwing than a royal screwing).

Ashie62 May 01 2017 04:07 PM Re: I/MRI/T: Waiting for Thor

We need two pitchers. Or wait to become sellers eventually. eff you Noah. Thor my ass Sandy is somehow responsible for these injuries if for no other reason than they were on his watch. Disgusted.

Edgy MD May 01 2017 04:31 PM Re: I/MRI/T: Waiting for Thor

41Forever wrote: Have the Mets hired a robot to be their press officer?

Edgy MD May 01 2017 04:33 PM Re: I/MRI/T: Waiting for Thor

Centerfield wrote: So you figure it's probably unrelated to the biceps tendinitis right? These muscles are nowhere near each other. I wonder if it's more a result of the extra bulk he put on this off-season. And if it possibly was, that points an arrow that much more incriminatingly at Mike Barwis.

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 01 2017 04:37 PM Re: I/MRI/T: Waiting for Thor

Duda, Syndergaard and Cespedes all noted Barwis guys.

cooby May 01 2017 04:39 PM Re: I/MRI/T: Waiting for Thor

Where's metfairys witch hunt pic? Grrrr!

Edgy MD May 01 2017 04:41 PM Re: I/MRI/T: Waiting for Thor

Dear Noah, I want a doctor to take your picture, so I can look at you from inside as well. Arigato, Sandy

Centerfield May 01 2017 04:43 PM Re: I/MRI/T: Waiting for Thor

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Duda, Syndergaard and Cespedes all noted Barwis guys. David Wright too right?

Ashie62 May 01 2017 04:44 PM Re: I/MRI/T: Waiting for Thor

Nimmo also?

Edgy MD May 01 2017 04:46 PM Re: I/MRI/T: Waiting for Thor

Centerfield wrote: John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Duda, Syndergaard and Cespedes all noted Barwis guys. David Wright too right? Here Wright is reading love poetry to Barwis. [youtube]yBiAznc2fT4[/youtube]

Frayed Knot May 01 2017 04:47 PM Re: I/MRI/T: Waiting for Thor

[url]http://radsource.us/acute-musculotendinous-tears/ I read this just for kicks and I'm not sure whether to interpret "tendon avulsion" as something that always happens as part of a lat tear (i.e. we're royally screwed) or whether you can have a lat tear without an avulsed tendon, which means that with rest, physical therapy, and good luck, Thor might return to baseball activities other than spitting sunflower seeds in the next month or two (i.e. we're screwed, but maybe it's more just a peasant-type screwing than a royal screwing). From the link: The patient may be referred for shoulder MRI to rule out rotator cuff or labral pathology. Well it's good news that neither of these was mentioned. Those are more internal shoulder problems which, even though elbow injuries are the new black among hurlers these days (in large part due to strengthening programs for the shoulder, shoulders are a lot more complicated than elbows (which is essentially just a hinge) and have a much more precarious road to rehab. My one memory of mention of the 'Teres' muscle was from ex-pitcher (and kinesiologist) Mike Marshall griping about how no one who didn't know where the teres muscle is located or describe its function was qualified to be a pitching coach. I, personally, try to never avulse any of my tendons. That's all I got. Sandy apparently to speak at 4:00

Chad Ochoseis May 01 2017 05:01 PM Re: I/MRI/T: Waiting for Thor

They need to fire Barwis and hire a different team. I hear these guys are looking for work. [youtube:112ea2hi]Pa5mj6ifCz4[/youtube:112ea2hi]

themetfairy May 01 2017 05:05 PM Re: I/MRI/T: Waiting for Thor

cooby wrote: Where's metfairys witch hunt pic? Grrrr!

themetfairy May 01 2017 05:07 PM Re: I/MRI/T: Waiting for Thor

Centerfield wrote: So you figure it's probably unrelated to the biceps tendinitis right? These muscles are nowhere near each other. My guess is that he could have been overcompensating for the biceps pain by changing things up in a way that stressed the lat more than usual.

cooby May 01 2017 05:12 PM Re: I/MRI/T: Waiting for Thor

That's the one!

cooby May 01 2017 05:13 PM Re: I/MRI/T: Waiting for Thor

Chad Ochoseis wrote: They need to fire Barwis and hire a different team. I hear these guys are looking for work. [youtube]Pa5mj6ifCz4[/youtube] Love this ad. "not vith thos puny ahms"

G-Fafif May 01 2017 08:12 PM Re: I/MRI/T: Waiting for Thor

More a matter of weeks than days, says Alderson in Atlanta.

G-Fafif May 01 2017 08:13 PM Re: I/MRI/T: Waiting for Thor

No connection between biceps tendinitis and lat tear, says Alderson, re non-MRI before yesterday's start.

G-Fafif May 01 2017 08:14 PM Re: I/MRI/T: Waiting for Thor

No similarities to be drawn from Matz lat injury, sez GM.

G-Fafif May 01 2017 08:15 PM Re: I/MRI/T: Waiting for Thor

"I'm not a doctor," Alderson confirms.

Benjamin Grimm May 01 2017 08:27 PM Re: I/MRI/T: Waiting for Thor

I was hospitalized for a few days back in 2004. I remember, each time that the doctor came to talk to me, I would think that I was glad that I didn't have a baseball General Manager explaining what was going on.

Frayed Knot May 01 2017 08:34 PM Re: I/MRI/T: Waiting for Thor

"More a matter of weeks than days" -- Yeah, but are we talking two weeks or fifteen? "No connection between biceps tendinitis and lat tear" -- Agreed "No similarities to be drawn from Matz lat injury" -- Meaning this is much less or much worse? "I'm not a doctor" -- Glad we got that cleared up

Centerfield May 01 2017 08:42 PM Re: I/MRI/T: Waiting for Thor Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 01 2017 08:44 PM

I know it's not possible, but I feel like I knew more before that update. On Edit: Meant to be a comment on Sandy's nothingspeak, not FK's reporting skills. Re-read it and thought it sounded unintentionally dicky.

G-Fafif May 01 2017 08:43 PM Re: I/MRI/T: Waiting for Thor

Sandy being a lawyer and not a doctor chose his words so as to tell no more than he wanted to tell.

Ashie62 May 01 2017 08:51 PM Re: I/MRI/T: Waiting for Thor

Anyone heard a second opinion from Dr. Jeff Wilpon?

Frayed Knot May 01 2017 09:13 PM Re: I/MRI/T: Waiting for Thor

A few, somewhat more specific, answers: "... rather than speculate when he'll be back, I think it's going to be a considerable amount of time," "It was my decision," [to alllow Syndergaard to pitch] "The MRI was not dismissed out of hand simply because Noah said he wouldn't do it. I sincerely believe that Noah felt that he was fine. There would be no reason for him to say otherwise." On the idea of looking for pitching from outside the organization: "Yes, this probably accelerates that process, but we have to be realistic about what may be out there,"

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 01 2017 11:02 PM Re: I/MRI/T: Waiting for Thor

Was Sandy asked about that reality-show clown acting as a strength coach?

cooby May 01 2017 11:10 PM Re: I/MRI/T: Waiting for Thor

That's what I'd like to know

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 02 2017 03:09 AM Re: I/MRI/T: Waiting for Thor

No connection between biceps tightness and the lat tearing, says the avowed non-doctor? But the lat dorsi works to adduct and rotate the upper arm, no? Seems like it would be exactly the kind of injury that outdoor result from adjusting or overcompensating for bicep weirdness. Seems like Chad's article suggests something like that, if'n ah'm reading it c'rect: The player typically presents with acute pain in the upper arm and posterior axilla, with symptoms most severe during ball release and follow-though. Most commonly there are no pre-existing symptoms related to the latissimus dorsi, but cases of vague posterior tightness and fatigue have been reported leading up to the point of incapacitating injury, subsequently documented to be a latissimus dorsi avulsion. The latissimus dorsi and teres major muscles have been shown through electromyographic analysis to be very active in the late cocking phase of the pitch, continuing throughout acceleration, and moderately active in follow-though as well. The stresses placed on the muscles are understandably much greater in professional pitchers as compared to amateurs. Furthermore, although not yet documented, it has been speculated that pre-existing injuries in professional pitchers may place even higher stresses on latissimus dorsi and teres major muscles, which may be acting to compensate for a glenohumeral internal rotation deficit (GIRD).

Ashie62 May 02 2017 06:36 AM Re: I/MRI/T: Waiting for Thor

Centerfield May 02 2017 01:30 PM Re: I/MRI/T: Waiting for Thor

I think it's strange that there is no time frame given at all. Not even like a "6-12" weeks type of thing. Matter of weeks could mean 2 to 94. Also, no other info given about the tear. I guess it's their right not to give any more info than they feel like. Makes me wonder if he is out for the season, but playing it close to the vest so that they don't undermine their leverage even more in a potential trade.

Benjamin Grimm May 02 2017 01:46 PM Re: I/MRI/T: Waiting for Thor

A doctor was quoted in the Daily News as saying that it takes three to four months. Since it's still early in the season, four full months would have him back by September 1. But the same article mentioned that Steven Matz returned from a similar issue in two months, which would have Noah back in July. The only conclusion I can draw is: Who knows? We'll have to wait and see.

Centerfield May 02 2017 02:02 PM Re: I/MRI/T: Waiting for Thor

Was it this article Ben? I don't see the mention of 3-4 months. http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseb ... -1.3123054

Benjamin Grimm May 02 2017 02:24 PM Re: I/MRI/T: Waiting for Thor

Yes, that's the article. I must have seen a different version. Here's the text that was in the print edition: According to Dr. Leesa Galatz, chair of the orthopaedics department at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai, the usual recovery time for these injuries is "three to four months." "There is a period of rest, followed by progressive strengthening and then a return to throwing," Galatz said Monday afternoon. "It does take some time though. The good news is that most major league pitchers return to the pitching at the same level or better when they do return."

metirish May 02 2017 02:27 PM Re: I/MRI/T: Waiting for Thor

I am posting this article as I think Kepner is an excellent writer but also for the nugget that Tm House( former pitching coach) was going to call David Altchek to talk about Noah. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/01/spor ... ction&_r=0

A Boy Named Seo May 02 2017 03:34 PM Re: I/MRI/T: Waiting for Thor

Who the hell knows, but a piece in the Ringer yesterday about how the Mets are a broken mess of shit reminded us that Kershaw tore a lat a couple years ago and was out about 6 weeks. First, there are worse things for a pitcher to tear than his lat muscle. We know what Tommy John surgery looks like — the pitcher’s out of game action for 12 to 18 months and doesn’t regain full effectiveness for two years. We know that shoulder injuries frequently bring pitchers’ careers to an end. The lat injury has a few variables, not least of which is that Syndergaard’s lats must be the size of a side of beef, and “partial tear” is ambiguous. Clayton Kershaw tore a lat muscle in March 2014 and missed about six weeks before coming back to win not only his third Cy Young in four years, but the NL MVP as well. Roy Halladay tore a lat muscle in 2012 and never pitched effectively in the major leagues again.

Ashie62 May 02 2017 05:19 PM Re: I/MRI/T: Waiting for Thor

I am posting this article as I think Kepner is an excellent writer but also for the nugget that Tm House( former pitching coach) was going to call David Altchek to talk about Noah. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/01/spor ... ction&_r=0 I liked this. The young guns seem more interested in the radar gun than learning how to be a well rounded pitcher. A bunch of guys now hit 100 on the gun and the race is on to be the guy, or group to hit 101 and on. That can't be healthy for the arm and body.

Edgy MD May 02 2017 05:41 PM Re: I/MRI/T: Waiting for Thor

Reporter: "Terry, did you spot anything in the first that suggested to you there might be something wrong with Syndergaard." Terry: "He was hitting a hundred, so no. He was hitting a hundred." Edgy: "Yeah, he was hitting a hundred ... and getting hammered."

Farmer Ted May 02 2017 07:51 PM Re: I/MRI/T: Waiting for Thor

Freaking Barwis. He's to blame! "You can't pull a muscle if you don't have one" -- Farmer Ted

metirish May 02 2017 08:59 PM Re: I/MRI/T: Waiting for Thor

Ralph used to say, you can't pull fat , he may have been quoting an old manager

Benjamin Grimm May 02 2017 09:05 PM Re: I/MRI/T: Waiting for Thor

I thought that "pulling fat" was an Irish euphemism for masturbation.

metirish May 02 2017 09:27 PM Re: I/MRI/T: Waiting for Thor

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I thought that "pulling fat" was an Irish euphemism for masturbation. :)

El Segundo Escupidor May 03 2017 05:57 AM Re: I/MRI/T: Waiting for Thor

Edgy MD wrote: Have the Mets hired a robot to be their press officer? m.e.t.b.o.t. finally got off welfare after Trump took office. #MAGA

Ashie62 May 03 2017 08:26 PM Re: I/MRI/T: Waiting for Thor Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 03 2017 08:41 PM

LMAO at m.e.t.b.o.t. joke. From no opinions to Noah getting a second. [url]http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/noah-syndergaard-goes-for-second-opinion-and-could-reportedly-miss-three-months/

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 03 2017 08:33 PM Re: I/MRI/T: Waiting for Thor

I don't get what's so funny. Guys routinely get second opinions

Ashie62 May 03 2017 08:41 PM Re: I/MRI/T: Waiting for Thor

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I don't get what's so funny. Guys routinely get second opinions Laughing at the m.e.t.b.o.t. reference.

Frayed Knot May 03 2017 09:01 PM Re: I/MRI/T: Waiting for Thor

I'm sure some are going to seize upon the contradiction of Syndy (with the blond curls) suddenly going from not wanting an examination at all to now wanting an extra one, but that would skip over the fact that this is a different injury from the one that delayed his start for two days earlier in the week.

cooby May 03 2017 10:44 PM Re: I/MRI/T: Waiting for Thor

Oof. Thor/Cindy Brady comparison

batmagadanleadoff May 03 2017 11:24 PM Re: I/MRI/T: Waiting for Thor

El Segundo Escupidor wrote: Edgy MD wrote: Have the Mets hired a robot to be their press officer? m.e.t.b.o.t. finally got off welfare after Trump took office. #MAGA Ashie62 wrote: John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I don't get what's so funny. Guys routinely get second opinions Laughing at the m.e.t.b.o.t. reference. What? No more primary bad actor stuff? No more with the whining in eight different threads about political jokes? You're not gonna run over to the bitch thread and cry for your safe space?