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Bartolo DFA'ed

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 29 2017 06:15 PM

Do we dare?

metirish Jun 29 2017 06:20 PM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

There is a need , go for it

bmfc1 Jun 29 2017 06:21 PM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

8.14 ERA 1.778 WHIP -2.3 WAR http://www.baseball-reference.com/playe ... ba01.shtml Montero pitched a good game, Wheeler is coming back but it's tempting if ATL eats most of his salary.

batmagadanleadoff Jun 29 2017 06:21 PM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

I haven't checked Big Sexy's numbers recently, but the last time I looked, he was the worst pitcher in the NL among those with qualified innings pitched. Maybe Father Time finally caught up with Big Bart.

A Boy Named Seo Jun 29 2017 06:22 PM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

He checks my boxes on the entertainment, imminent need, and 'fuck it, who cares anyway?' requirements. Gotta be as close to free as free can be, though.

Edgy MD Jun 29 2017 06:25 PM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

8.14 ERA 1.778 WHIP -2.3 WAR http://www.baseball-reference.com/playe ... ba01.shtml Montero pitched a good game, Wheeler is coming back but it's tempting if ATL eats most of his salary. If he clears waivers, Atlanta eats all of his salary, and the Mets have a chance to take a look at something like MLB minimum. They can start him in Vegas or as mopup guy in the pen and see what they can do with him. Hopefully it would help morale. Whether it would help the rotation probably depends a lot on your opinion of Tyler Pill.

metirish Jun 29 2017 06:28 PM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

Not sure I can stomach another pill

batmagadanleadoff Jun 29 2017 06:30 PM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

metirish wrote: Not sure I can stomach another pill But can you stomach another "stomach"?

metirish Jun 29 2017 06:30 PM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Not sure I can stomach another pill But can you stomach another "stomach"? :)

A Boy Named Seo Jun 29 2017 06:34 PM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

Looks like his velocity is the same as last year, he's just starting walking dudes at twice the rate and is giving up more homers (14.3% HR/FB compared to 11.5 last year), something 44-year old dudes don't likely get better at. Still, his FIP and xFIP are both over 3 runs better than his actual ERA, leaving you with a 5 ERA pitcher. If the BABIP drifts south of its current .360, you could have a 4.50 ERA Bart for cheap-o. Plus, all the jiggling!

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 29 2017 06:39 PM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

[youtube:30yez9ww]qsYnhVITf9E[/youtube:30yez9ww] [Dusts off "Big Sexy" shirt, sunglasses, and can coozies]

seawolf17 Jun 29 2017 06:42 PM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

YES YES YES ALL EMOTION AND NO BRAIN BUT YES YES YES

Edgy MD Jun 29 2017 06:43 PM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

[sprays self with scent of control]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 29 2017 06:45 PM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

Even if he IS shit... wouldn't you rather have Bart giving up those game-killing rallies than, say, Ferny Salas?

Frayed Knot Jun 29 2017 06:48 PM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

It's a mystery as to why he went downhill so quickly ... but then I guess one could say it's as big a mystery as to how he was as good as he was in his early '40s while throwing in the upper '80s (or was it the other way around?) The bottom line is that Atlanta was looking for short-term options while their young pitching developed and Bartolo went downhill quicker than expected at the same time the lefty Sean Newcomb who we saw once so far (4 starts, 1.48 ERA, 1.07 WHIP) arrived ahead of schedule so this move for the Braves was more a question of when than if. The Mets are certainly going to wait until he clears waivers before striking even if they're inclined to, although that of course opens him up to other teams looking for a patch as well. I'd be tempted to bring him on because you can use him in a variety of roles -- start, short, middle, long -- and hope for the best, cuz right now they're about two injuries away from giving ME a call and my shoulder is killing me these days.

smg58 Jun 29 2017 06:54 PM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

You sign him to a minor league deal, then give him a couple of weeks in Vegas to see if he can right his ship. Worst case scenario: we lose nothing, and he gets a couple of weeks in Vegas.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 29 2017 06:58 PM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Even if he IS shit... wouldn't you rather have Bart giving up those game-killing rallies than, say, Ferny Salas? And Neil Ramirez. Has that guy had a single acceptable outing?

smg58 Jun 29 2017 07:02 PM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

Neil Ramirez doesn't even deserve a couple of weeks in Vegas. Hell, a couple of weeks in Binghamton might be too good for him.

Edgy MD Jun 29 2017 07:07 PM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

Not for the Mets, he hasn't. Fun fact: Neil Ramirez has appeared 15 times for the Mets and given up at least one hit or walk in each outing. He's given up 29 hits and walks in 15 1/3 innings.

MFS62 Jun 29 2017 07:09 PM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

smg58 wrote: You sign him to a minor league deal, then give him a couple of weeks in Vegas to see if he can right his ship. Worst case scenario: we lose nothing, and he gets a couple of weeks in Vegas. No pitcher has ever completely righted his ship in the Pacific Coast League unless it was an injury rehab and he just needed innings. I'd send him to Binghamton instead. The Eastern League is a little more pitcher friendly and it would be easier to get a handle on his progress. Later

themetfairy Jun 29 2017 07:11 PM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

Bartolo! Bartolo!

Frayed Knot Jun 29 2017 07:16 PM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

Last night was Bart's first outing after three weeks on the DL. But at the same time he wasn't any better prior to going out so it's not like you can simply chalk it up to rust. I mean, he made 13 starts this season and two were good, his first and third starts of the season (#1 was against us back on April 5) iow, I don't know what a minor league 'rehab' session is going to do for him except make him a couple weeks older still. And since he'd be signed for the ML minimum a major or minor league contract is of little difference. If there's room for him on the 40 then I think you do this. The worst that can happen is that it fails.

d'Kong76 Jun 29 2017 07:37 PM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

Surprise, I'm in Uncle Bartolo's corner. Make it so.

MFS62 Jun 29 2017 07:43 PM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

He'd be better than Ramirez. Heck, I'd be better than Ramirez (hyperbole meter hit 74). Sign him. Later

Fman99 Jun 29 2017 07:46 PM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

With waivers, if he clears, then, he gets to decide where to go, right? I would think Flushing would be high on his list of preferences, given his familiarity with the squad, mound, etc. and being such a fan fave the last few years. GO GET HIS BIG DUMB ASS says I.

cooby Jun 29 2017 08:51 PM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

Oh my god yes. Someone call the freaking Mets and demand it

A Boy Named Seo Jun 29 2017 09:11 PM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

I do hope Big Bart finds his way back to Queens. If this is truly it for him, then he gets one last-go and finishes a Met, a team I think he might be the most heavily identified with (pun intended) because of his lovable John Candy antics here. He was a stud fireballer with the Indians, and won a Cy and threw a no-no with the Angels, but he did historical and hysterical shit with the Mets. He's such the redemption story (and dammit we need something redeeming this year). Busted for PEDs, but comes back more popular than ever in the second act of his career. Legitimately obese, but for years, got prime physical specimens out with guile, a darting 89-MPH fastball, and jack shit else. Bartolo gives the common fan hope. Hope that he or she can rebound from whatever stupid thing made their life difficult, and even at a late stage, turn it all around just like he did (and dammit we need some hope this year!) He is "Every Man". We see ourselves in him. An older, tubby guy who looks like he just pushed himself off a couch, set down a bag of Doritos, and then starts getting Major League hitters out with ease, all the while wearing this magnetic, impish smile. "If that guy can do it, I can do it," some of us think. We're wrong, of course, but he's a star we can almost touch. A super bright, low-hanging, morbidly obese, cartoon of a star. GO GET HIS BIG DUMB ASS says me, too. #BringBartHome

MFS62 Jun 29 2017 09:24 PM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

Who cares if he can get hitters out? We could use him as a pinch hitter. Bring Bartolo Back! NOW! Later

A Boy Named Seo Jun 29 2017 09:37 PM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

[tweet:1d2j8y8d]https://twitter.com/AnthonyDiComo/status/880538598419832833[/tweet:1d2j8y8d]

Chad Ochoseis Jun 29 2017 10:00 PM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

Nah. We all love Bartolo. But there's no upside here. And he takes up space - lots and lots of space - both in the dugout and on the roster. On the other hand, I think he'd be a great replacement for Mike Barwis.

Ashie62 Jun 29 2017 10:03 PM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

I'd gamble on Bartolo before Pill. Gsellman etc.

Edgy MD Jun 29 2017 11:00 PM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

A Boy Named Seo wrote: [tweet]https://twitter.com/AnthonyDiComo/status/880538598419832833[/tweet] YOU DON'T SPEAK FOR ME, ANTHONY DICOMO, IF THAT IS YOUR REAL NAME!!

RealityChuck Jun 30 2017 12:03 AM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

Colon certainly could replace a lot of the dismal callups the team has used when trying to find starting pitchers. They only have to pay him the league minimum, too.

cooby Jun 30 2017 12:06 AM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

Edgy MD wrote: [sprays self with scent of control] I am 100% sure I already commented on this thread. But my second comment is that I want to smell this cologne. Maybe tonight.

Lefty Specialist Jun 30 2017 02:02 AM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

Oh yeah, I'm on board with Big Sexy. Entertainment value if nothing else. More confidence in him than Rafael Montero.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 30 2017 02:40 AM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

I have no objection to this, but very little enthusiasm either.

Frayed Knot Jun 30 2017 03:52 AM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

Yeah, there's little reason to have a lot of enthusiasm on this. He should be looked at as a possible addition to what we have currently, not as a savior or as a replacement for anyone. As much as we may have liked him over the last couple of years, an 8.10 ERA across 13 starts is not something to be dismissed. Yeah, the hitter-friendly ballpark in Cobb County probably had something to do with it, but that still translates to a 6.10, or maybe 7.10 somewhere else.

41Forever Jun 30 2017 03:53 AM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

Maybe Bartolo missed Dan Warthen.

Edgy MD Jun 30 2017 12:30 PM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

Yeah, I'm happy to donate enthusiasm any may lack. The Braves new ballpark and the 2017 baseball are a conspiracy to undermine exactly the sort of starting pitcher Colón is. But stealing back-end innings from Neil Ramirez for something like a major league minimum and a high Bartolo factor? I'm signing up and dotting the i's with balloon-y hearts.

Ceetar Jun 30 2017 02:25 PM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

Why would the new ballpark make Bartolo unable to throw strikes?

Edgy MD Jun 30 2017 02:29 PM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

It doesn't. Not directly, anyhow. What it does, along with the 2017 version of the ball, is make it harder to keep the ball in the ball in the park, forcing Bartolo Colón, and everybody else, to try to be cuter, and therefore throwing fewer strikes.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 30 2017 02:32 PM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

Bartolo's home ERA this year, in Atlanta: 8.25. His road ERA: 8.05.

Edgy MD Jun 30 2017 02:33 PM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

A fifth of a run difference. It's good to have that sort of validation in the data.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 30 2017 02:38 PM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

Howie was saying last night that Bartolo had confided to some former teammates that he was unhappy with his situation in Atlanta. I mean I'm sure he meant to do his best but the suggestion was maybe his mighty heart wasn't in it and that a change of scenery would be good for him.

Frayed Knot Jun 30 2017 02:55 PM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

I'd be unhappy too if my "situation" involved getting blown out 9 times in 13 outings. He signed there because they'd promise him starts for his attempt at the all-time Dominican wins record while he knew he'd be no better than 7th on the starter depth chart had he stayed here. Of course no one knew at the time that our starter depth chart, like Nigel's amp, would go to eleven, buuuuuuut shit happens. btw, his final four starts for Atlanta: 30 runs (23 Earned) on 32 hits, 9 walks & 9 Ks in a total of 15 innings

Edgy MD Jun 30 2017 03:21 PM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

Remember that every year with the Mets he went through an extended stretch of farce where he absolutely did not look like a big league pitcher. Maybe he's beyond redemption this time, but he's not beyond consideration.

cooby Jun 30 2017 04:43 PM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

Just for the feel good ness of it. Hey btw, did I dream it or is Syndergaard out for the season?

d'Kong76 Jun 30 2017 05:06 PM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

Not officially yet, but probably likely?

Mets Willets Point Jun 30 2017 06:16 PM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

Bring him back for his bat. It's got to have another homer in it.

d'Kong76 Jul 08 2017 01:04 AM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

In the Twinkies farm system according to tonight's b'cast. Good luck to Uncle Bartolo....

Frayed Knot Jul 08 2017 01:17 AM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

I haven't taken a look at what Minny's rotation looks like these days, but it's possible the Twins gave him a better shot of starting a few games as opposed to what Sandy would promise him.

Ceetar Jul 08 2017 02:08 AM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

Frayed Knot wrote: I haven't taken a look at what Minny's rotation looks like these days, but it's possible the Twins gave him a better shot of starting a few games as opposed to what Sandy would promise him. and in contention and he doesn't have to bat.

d'Kong76 Jul 08 2017 02:12 AM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

Ceetar wrote: and he doesn't have to bat. Twins' fans loss.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 08 2017 02:49 AM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

I was mainly counting on an emotional lift from this. I always assumed Colon was about done and was mostly wrong for 3 years.

Frayed Knot Jul 08 2017 02:52 AM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

I was just hoping he'd be an extra arm that could stabilize the bullpen, that maybe his stuff could still work in smaller doses.

G-Fafif Jul 08 2017 11:34 AM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

Bartolo. Twinkies. Now it all makes sense.

RealityChuck Jul 08 2017 02:11 PM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

Bartolo wanted to remain a starter; we knew that last year. Since money is not a factor, he was going to go where he could start? That wouldn't be his role for very long, if at all, with the Mets.

metirish Jul 08 2017 04:55 PM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

Kind of funny to see #metstwitter fall over itself with the news that Bart didn't sun back to the Mets like they all expected.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 08 2017 05:54 PM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

RealityChuck wrote: Bartolo wanted to remain a starter; we knew that last year. Since money is not a factor, he was going to go where he could start? That wouldn't be his role for very long, if at all, with the Mets. It's about the same with the Twins, at least over the last month or two-- solid-ish front four, with fifth slot problematic owing to injury. It's the same, or at least, not different enough to move the needle by itself, presumably. Unless, y'know, he decided that the baseball execs he didn't know were more trustworthy than the ones he did.

Edgy MD Jul 08 2017 07:26 PM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

We really don't even know if the Mets kicked the tires an Colón, let alone made something akin to an offer. Gun to my head, I would guess they didn't.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 09 2017 07:30 AM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

I mean, they publicly claim they did. “We made a strong effort to re-sign Bartolo,” general manager Sandy Alderson said in a statement. “But he decided to go elsewhere.”

Edgy MD Jul 09 2017 02:06 PM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

Well, I totally missed that. #pwnd #ThatsNotaThingAnymore

41Forever Jul 09 2017 03:16 PM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

So in a situation like that, where the Braves are paying all but the minimum salary, can teams courting a player offer to go above that, or is the bargaining about playing time and non-financial things?

Edgy MD Jul 09 2017 04:27 PM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

No, there's actually negotiating. A release can make some players a little more money if more than one team is in on the action.

Centerfield Jul 10 2017 05:37 PM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

This is probably for the best, but still a bit disappointing.

Frayed Knot Jul 18 2017 12:23 PM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

Twins call up Bartolo and will start him vs the Yanx tonight. To make room for him the Twins sent down Dillon Gee Twins are actually the team right on the Yanx tail in the WC race now just 1/2 game back for WC #2 after last night's rare Twinkies win vs the Yanx. How rare? That win pushes the Twins record up to 29-74 over the last 15 years.

seawolf17 Jul 18 2017 12:58 PM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

Going to feel good to root for Bartolo again.

Frayed Knot Jul 19 2017 12:16 AM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

1-2-3 1st inning for Bart including a 3-pitch K of Judge. btw, Judge has 1 hit (an infield single) in 22 ABs with 8 Ks since the ASB ... just sayin'

Edgy MD Jul 19 2017 12:43 AM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

The HRD Curse strikes again.

Frayed Knot Jul 19 2017 12:49 AM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

Edgy MD wrote: The HRD Curse strikes again. Cody Bellinger says he'll call your HRD before throwing down his post-ASB .417/.462/.917 The HRD curse is definitely real, except when it's not.

Edgy MD Jul 19 2017 12:54 AM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

Kidding, but I don't doubt that it can get some guys out of their rhythm to try to put on a rocket-launching show, even if that's half of what daily batting practice amounts to.

Frayed Knot Jul 19 2017 01:01 AM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

I know you were kidding but at least half the fans and about 3/4 of announcers (or maybe the other way around) are going to cite Judge's 20-some ABs as proof positive of a stone-cold cause- and-effect while conveniently ignoring those cases where evidence says exactly the opposite.

Frayed Knot Jul 19 2017 03:57 AM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

Big Sexy had a nice four innings but then fell apart in the 5th and wasn't helped by his pen which allowed all his leftover baserunners to score. Final line: 4 IP, 4 Runs, 8 Hits, 0 BB, 3 K Meanwhile the Twins remembered that they're the Twins and are contractually obligated to suck against the Yanx so they managed just 3 runs in a game where they had four doubles, a triple, a HR, and six walks but went an astonishing [u:2qd58t44]2 for 18[/u:2qd58t44] w/RiSP

Frayed Knot Jul 25 2017 03:56 AM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

Bart, who hinted at retirement if this game didn't go well, and has his job on the line anyway now that the Twins have imported Jamie Garcia, started tonight's game vs the Dodgers with 4 scoreless innings but then allowed back-to-back shots to start the 5th and then another run after that. 3-3 game in the 6th in LA; 3 runs on 8 hits thru 5 for Bartolo.

Frayed Knot Jul 25 2017 05:27 PM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

Bartolo faced Cody Bellinger last night, just a few weeks shy of 17 years after facing papa Clay Bellinger. Add that duo to the Fielders, Cecil and Prince, and the Youngs, Eric Sr. and Eric Jr. on Colon's resume. He had also formerly pitched to both managers in last night's game, LA's Dave Roberts and his own manager Paul Molitor.

Chad Ochoseis Aug 06 2017 06:51 PM Re: Bartolo DFA'ed

A 5.18 ERA in Minnesota so far. But he pitched a complete game on Friday, making him the oldest pitcher to do so (44) since Jamie Moyer (47).