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MFYs seek Duda, Reed

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 18 2017 08:02 PM

[tweet:1eia005o]https://twitter.com/Feinsand/status/887390501007220736[/tweet:1eia005o] WATP: Doodoo, Reed and Grandy for Frazier, Blake Rutherford (https://www.baseball-reference.com/regi ... ther000bla)

Edgy MD Jul 18 2017 08:03 PM Re: MFYs seek Duda, Reed

I don't think Frazier's coming, but go ahead and think big.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 18 2017 08:34 PM Re: MFYs seek Duda, Reed

I don't see why not. And if they don;t wanna give him up then they can go after some second-rate Duda like Yonder Alonso. I'm throwing in Grandyman for FREE.

cooby Jul 18 2017 09:50 PM Re: MFYs seek Duda, Reed

I saw Yankees were scouting him. What can they give us?

G-Fafif Jul 18 2017 10:28 PM Re: MFYs seek Duda, Reed

Pay through the nose, fuckers.

Ashie62 Jul 18 2017 11:19 PM Re: MFYs seek Duda, Reed

It would be cheaper to go after 21 HR Oakland A's Yonder Alonso.

Frayed Knot Jul 18 2017 11:34 PM Re: MFYs seek Duda, Reed

Not sure why he'd be cheaper. Duda has the longer/better track record while Alonso more the late bloomer. But both are BL/TR 1st basemen who would be just two month rentals and are having seasons pretty much on par.

Edgy MD Jul 18 2017 11:42 PM Re: MFYs seek Duda, Reed

Alonso would come in handy. Somebody has to hold Duda's jockstrap.

MFS62 Jul 19 2017 01:22 AM Re: MFYs seek Duda, Reed

If they want Duda and Reed, the deal starts with the Mets getting the MFY medical and training staffs (whichever helped Judge grow that big) and Jeter's first born. THEN we start talking about the players we get. Later

Ashie62 Jul 19 2017 01:54 AM Re: MFYs seek Duda, Reed

Frayed Knot wrote: Not sure why he'd be cheaper. Duda has the longer/better track record while Alonso more the late bloomer. But both are BL/TR 1st basemen who would be just two month rentals and are having seasons pretty much on par. Well, Alonso's WAR is double Duda's and Alonso's OPS is .921. Past performance is no guaranty of future performance however. In all these years Duda's oWAR is 10.6 and dWAR -7.6. Give me Dominic Smith!

Edgy MD Jul 19 2017 02:48 AM Re: MFYs seek Duda, Reed

In fairness, as much as I'm leery of baseball-reference's dwar, the lion's share of that dwar was compiled while he was out of position in the outfield. He's been perfectly viable as a firstbaseman most nights, by which I mean he's closer to average for his position than we are at most spots around the diamond.

Frayed Knot Jul 19 2017 03:39 AM Re: MFYs seek Duda, Reed

MFS62 wrote: If they want Duda and Reed, the deal starts with the Mets getting the MFY medical and training staffs Yeah, because the Yanx never have injuries (as Greg Bird misses his second consecutive full season).

Frayed Knot Jul 19 2017 03:47 AM Re: MFYs seek Duda, Reed

Ashie62 wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: Not sure why he'd be cheaper. Duda has the longer/better track record while Alonso more the late bloomer. But both are BL/TR 1st basemen who would be just two month rentals and are having seasons pretty much on par. Well, Alonso's WAR is double Duda's and Alonso's OPS is .921. Past performance is no guaranty of future performance however. In all these years Duda's oWAR is 10.6 and dWAR -7.6. Give me Dominic Smith! Which again begs the question as to why Alonso would be cheaper if you're arguing that he's in fact better. Nevermind. They're both fairly comparable players as this point unlikely to distinguish themselves as high above or below the other during such a short run. My larger point being that there's only so high a price you can ask for Lucas without driving a potential buyer to say 'Pass' and instead go after another option. Anyway, the latest reports have the Yanx closing in on Todd Frazier (who I guess they could use at 1st) plus relievers David Robertson and Tommy Kahnle from the ChiSox.

G-Fafif Jul 19 2017 04:07 AM Re: MFYs seek Duda, Reed

MFY-Chisox deal official. MFYs unload Clippard, give three prospects, get Frazier, Robertson, Kahnle.

MFS62 Jul 19 2017 12:06 PM Re: MFYs seek Duda, Reed

Frayed Knot wrote: MFS62 wrote: If they want Duda and Reed, the deal starts with the Mets getting the MFY medical and training staffs Yeah, because the Yanx never have injuries (as Greg Bird misses his second consecutive full season). You missed the sarcasm in the rest of the sentence. Later

Frayed Knot Jul 19 2017 12:22 PM Re: MFYs seek Duda, Reed

* Clippard * Blake Rutherford, OF, 20 y/o, BL/TR - 1st round (18th overall) pick in 2016 out of HS in CAL. Mid-40s rated prospect pre-2017 based almost entirely on potential since all he had played was 1/2 season of rookie ball. Now in Low-A Sally Lg * Ian Clarkin, LHP, 22 y/o,- 1st round (33rd) pick in 2013 out of HS in CAL. Pitching well this year with Tampa in the (High-A) Fla St Lg * Tito Polo, 22 y/o OF from Colombia playing at High-A Tampa * Todd Frazier (31) - his BA has taken a big fall over the last couple years -- going from his usual .250-ish to .225 in 2016 and now .207 -- but still power (31 of 58 hits for XB) and walks (.328 OBA) Will either be the full-time 1B or may take some of Chase Headley's time at 3rd and switch off at 1st with the guy Cooper they just got from Milwaukee * David Robertson (32) - 2.70 ERA 0.96 WHIP; RH reliever had his best year w/Yanx in 2011. Goes from ChiSox closer to 7th inning man for Yanx and should be a vast improvement over Clippard Is signed thru 2018 at $13 mil which likely makes him trade bait again this winter as the 2018 MFY try to get under the lux tax number. * Tommy Kahnle - RHR, 27 y/o, 2.70 / 0.97 in 37 games / 36 innings Looks like the Yanx have punted on trying for a top-line starter (they were supposedly in on Quintana before the Cubs got him) and hope to patch their way through games and the short starts they're getting via the depth in their bullpen: Chapman, Betances, Robertson, Kahnle, Adam Warren, Chad Green, Chasen Shreve Rutherford is the key player for Chicago but none from that crew are likely to be helping the big club anytime before 2019 at the earliest except obviously for Clippard and even that stretches the definition of "helping". And Frazier, the Toms River, NJ native, has already been touched by MFY greatness. Heck, he might already be a 'True Yankee' [fimg=300]http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.3337128.1500441396!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_1200/jeter.jpg[/fimg]

MFS62 Jul 19 2017 01:16 PM Re: MFYs seek Duda, Reed

According to the guys on SNY last night, Rutherford was the MFYs 3rd rated prospect. Later

41Forever Jul 20 2017 10:35 PM Re: MFYs seek Duda, Reed

Is Reed a free agent at the end of the year? If we still have him for another year, is there any reason to trade him unless we are blown away by an offer?

Frayed Knot Jul 20 2017 11:21 PM Re: MFYs seek Duda, Reed

Reed--just like Walker, Duda, Cabrera, Granderson and Rene Rivera--is a FA at the end of the season. Oh, and Reyes too.

41Forever Jul 21 2017 01:34 PM Re: MFYs seek Duda, Reed

Wow. So with the potential loss of the entire infield, it might make some sense to see what Rosario can do.

MFS62 Jul 21 2017 01:41 PM Re: MFYs seek Duda, Reed

41Forever wrote: Wow. So with the potential loss of the entire infield, it might make some sense to see what Rosario can do. Slap! Slap! Snap out of it! Stop trying to be logical! Later

smg58 Jul 21 2017 02:20 PM Re: MFYs seek Duda, Reed

I'd love to get Miguel Andujar (third baseman with a .313/.345/.503 line at Trenton and Scranton this year). Duda would be a .904-OPS lefty masher going into THAT park. I think there's room for a deal.

Frayed Knot Jul 21 2017 04:07 PM Re: MFYs seek Duda, Reed

41Forever wrote: Wow. So with the potential loss of the entire infield, it might make some sense to see what Rosario can do. It's clear they only want to bring him up if he's going to play regularly and he's not going to play regularly until they clear out some or all of the guys blocking him. Whether the current guys are in because the team is praying for a miracle finish or because they're being showcased, until they're off the team they're going to play. As far as Rosario goes (and Smith for that matter) the last remaining question -- especially for those who think the 'Pons are given to playing the 'cheap' card -- is whether you even bring him up at all this year. The next "threshold" as far as service time goes is mid-April of next year. 2018 rookies not making their ML debut until after that point would see their FA window shift from 2023 to 2024. But unless they're willing to wait to that point, he could be brought up tomorrow, or after the trading deadline, or not until rosters expand on Sept 1st, and it would make no difference at all.

seawolf17 Jul 21 2017 06:25 PM Re: MFYs seek Duda, Reed

It's outside the context of this discussion, but I saw an interesting post a few days ago that surmised that the Mets don't want to bring up Rosario until they've purged the clubhouse of the Reyes/Cabrera types who might be a negative influence on him. Probably just spitballing, but it was an interesting thought.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 21 2017 07:44 PM Re: MFYs seek Duda, Reed

I think we're gonna trade Cabrera over the weekend to Cleveland and Rosario will start next week

G-Fafif Jul 21 2017 07:49 PM Re: MFYs seek Duda, Reed

seawolf17 wrote: It's outside the context of this discussion, but I saw an interesting post a few days ago that surmised that the Mets don't want to bring up Rosario until they've purged the clubhouse of the Reyes/Cabrera types who might be a negative influence on him. This was Klapisch's report, based on a trusted source inside the organization, he said. To be very clear, the focus was on Cabrera solely, not Reyes at all. The "trade me" bit, although it's been rescinded, apparently resonated. Reyes is de facto big brother to Rosario, talking with and texting him regularly. I doubt he's going anywhere, other than maybe the bench when his bat cools.

Frayed Knot Jul 22 2017 09:15 PM Re: MFYs seek Duda, Reed

Cut & pasted from a similar discussion in another thread since it deals with possible Duda trade and the Yanquis Joel Sherman suggests a potential Mets/Yanx deal involving Duda, suggesting Big Lucas for ... * One of: Jonathan Holder / Ben Heller / JP Feyereirsen / Giovanny Gallegos * plus one of Domingo German / Ronald Herrera * plus one of Tyler Austin / Garrett Cooper * plus Rob Refsnyder The first two groups of non-household names are youngish relievers with mostly good numbers in the minors and much more limited success in limited ML innings Austin and Cooper are position players: Cooper is the 1B they just traded for and, at worst, he swings RH and could fill in the rest of this year and platoon with Dom Smith next season. Austin also is a RH-hitting 1B/OF who saw some big league time this year. Refsynder was a guy Yanx fans were making a big deal about when he hit well for his first 100 or so ABs in 2016, he also has good minor league numbers. But the more they saw of him the less they seemed to think of him and it's totally unclear what position he should (or even CAN play). A year ago he'd have been the obvious choice over the similar sized/skilled TJ Rivera, but now maybe not so much. A (highly theoretical) deal like this lacks the high-ceiling guys that fans crave when dreaming of prospect hauls, but what it lacks in that it would make up for in quantity, and maybe that's exactly what our bullpen needs going forward: a competition among five or six guys to see who can fill those slots leading up to the end of the game. If we had anyone like that now you'd figure they'd currently be on the squad but there don't seem to be any even on the horizon.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 23 2017 04:15 AM Re: MFYs seek Duda, Reed

Duda brings back 3-4 guys with major-league neatness? I think that, for a guy with direct conversational access to decision makers, Sherman has an absurdly terrible sense of fair market value. Boo is a 1B/DH with power and patience, and not expensive but not THAT cheap. This year, that's weirdly, frighteningly common. To my eye, we'd be lucky to see a mid-ceiling reliever/platoon piece coming back for our guy.

smg58 Jul 23 2017 12:27 PM Re: MFYs seek Duda, Reed

It's tough to gauge the market based on the deal the Yankees just made. They did just give up a top 30 overall prospect and three other players, but got two very good relievers they can control for a while in addition to Todd Frazier (who's hitting .201). The deal did displace some guys who could help next year's bullpen for the Mets (Gallegos, whom Sherman mentioned, and lefty Chasen Shreve, who was actually having a pretty good season in the Bronx), so those are guys you have to assume could be had. I'd also look into Miguel Andujar, their third baseman at AAA. That might take more than Duda, but the Starlin Castro injury has created an extra opening.

Ashie62 Jul 23 2017 04:00 PM Re: MFYs seek Duda, Reed

Relievers are unpredictable. Maybe one or more of the three noted by FK turns into something.

bmfc1 Jul 23 2017 04:30 PM Re: MFYs seek Duda, Reed

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Duda brings back 3-4 guys with major-league neatness? I think that, for a guy with direct conversational access to decision makers, Sherman has an absurdly terrible sense of fair market value. Boo is a 1B/DH with power and patience, and not expensive but not THAT cheap. This year, that's weirdly, frighteningly common. To my eye, we'd be lucky to see a mid-ceiling reliever/platoon piece coming back for our guy. I thought the same thing--if the Mets could get that much quantity, and perhaps quality (who knows?), for a player that won't be on the team next year and can immediately be replaced, do it (even if it means seeing him in a MFY uniform).

Frayed Knot Jul 23 2017 08:21 PM Re: MFYs seek Duda, Reed

Well the Yanx just dealt Rob Refsnyder to Toronto (remember, don't pronounce the second T or you'll never get out of the airport in Teheran) for some minor league 1B*. Their recent acquisitions put them in a position where they had to deal Refsnyder or expose him to waivers, something which occasionally factors into these deadline deals. * Ryan McBroom - 25 y/o slashing .243/.321/.402 in AA New Hampshire